Comments by "sharper68" (@sharper68) on "The Jimmy Dore Show" channel.

  1. Talking fast and spitting straw men is not the winning argument you think it is.
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  2. Bishma Wood Nonsense, the only people who think Shapiro is clever are those who already like his right wing talking points and straw men he consistently leans heavily on. He is no more clever than any other troll who talks quickly crushing clueless students and no one else The idea this guy is a super power is fact free. Cons already hate jimmy your imagination of others abandoning him do to sitting in the same room as a guy with unpopular poorly thought out ideas is a not attached to reality.
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  3. Mellow to each thier own views but I have been wholly unimpressed by his defense of bad unpopular ideas with little more than well delived talking points. please direct me to some of his good arguments that were meaningful to you as what I see him doing is crushing poorly prepared kids who let his straw men stand unchallenged giving him freedom to control the narrative glossing over his arguments root failures. in this case at the very best his tweet was a mean spirited and ignorant willfully or othwise, at worst it is ugly glib obscufaction of the fact people are going to die because of policy he supports. to answer your question, when one wants to be thought of as a deep thinker making a comment that misses the point this badly undermines that narrative. he deserves to called on it. with talking points this bad buddy is not even trying to debate. toe to toe he would have his metaphorical head torn off in a debate if this was his weak spin. pretending this king of the straw man is not about name calling as his chief tactic is misrepresentation is empty.
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  4. We were never going to war with Russia, but if trump tears up the Iran deal as promised we will be bombing them soon.
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  5. Bobby Fett Ben does not care about health care for those who can not afford it (remember it is just like a sofa) He would step over their bodies in the gutter as long as his insurance company buddies made their bucks.
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  6. John McNamara He got stomped as his argument is base stupid. It pretends getting a surgery is like buying a couch set and anyone with a working brain understands that one is a choice and the other is forced upon you. No one chooses the expensive surgery they can not afford out of greed but because they NEED IT to live. Ignoring this critical difference between these respective products is the root of his failure and marks his spin as painfully weak at best. The fact is all his arguments outside his bubble of support are considered weak because they consist of straw men and misappropriated out of context data. His supported policies are universally unpopular for a good reason. They are hard to defend without misrepresenting and ignoring the other argument and that is why you rarely see guys like Ben going toe to toe with anyone but collage kids. I would love to see him debate anyone who is informed and am looking forward to seeing him get stepped on. The fact is if your evaluation is any indication his fan boys will declare a victory no matter what.
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  7. Where did all the trolls come from?
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  8. +K Lee The only way this happens is if we get corporate money out as the driver of our elections. There are bi partisan movements made of self declared liberals and consertives who both agree that our leaders being for sale is not what we want.  80% of all Americans feel that money has an unfair influence on politics.  The will of the people is behind this and as it turns out we do not even need to talk to the federal government (who is wholly owned) to do it.
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  9. Mellow as far as I am concerned in this case his Tweet was stupid. one can not dismiss someone by simply name calling them dumb but when they say something that completely misses the point they earn the handle based on their own failure. there is nothing wrong with calling this tweet stupid and it is a actually a pretty mild attack as he treats life saving surgery as the same thing as buying something you simply want. this is either stupid spin or dishonest spin that marks him as a bad person. calling him dumb in this case gives him the benefit of the doubt. I will watch the video you mentioned but I suspect I have seen them before parroted by tolls in a less polished way. thanks for the tip though, in the future you might want to lay off the uslees adhom of calling your opponent biased while pretending to advocate for debate and discussion as it undermines your point.
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  10. Aydan D Ben consistently makes emotional arguments based on his feelings. The statistics you clowns cite are regularly out of context and often do not agree with the premise you argue. Making health care into a bigger commodity makes no sense as all the fucking data points to the fact that public systems are more efficient and deliver care to everyone. There is literally no upside to our system and it fails because of it's free market nature, the profit motive and lack of cost control. Bernie's polices are in line with the rest of the first world who all has better health care results than us at half the cost to consumers. According to actual real world data we know what lowers costs and it is telling that no system on the planet successfully uses your model. Stop pretending to base your claims on facts, news flash you do not have any.
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  11. He is a cold asshole to make this comparison but it paints him as a sack of shit who means to be stupid and obtuse or he is not as sharp as you think he is.
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  12. Joshua Bell He uses spun faux logic and cheery picked out of context stats to back up his spin. That you like what he says is why he has fans as he represents a line of thought that is hard to defend and consistently is on the retreat or hiding behind a straw man and adhoms to attack anyone that disagree's. That you like him does not mean he is principled and regularly uses name calling and blatant straw men to misrepresent his opponents. That you think he uses logic and data is only because it is such a rare thing that a con even refers to them you assume (out of hope I guess) his arguments are sound. That does not make your assessment correct and Ben stomping collage kids is not as compelling proof of his debating strength that you imagine it is.
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  13. That you clowns ignore who was in the house and Senate is hilarious. The clintons were bad because they went along with GOP (Donor) policy and "triangulated" to be more like them. The GOP is fully corrupt, the clintons are famous because they were the democrats who were most successful copying them.
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  14. Demo5 lol, he is going to be a rubber stamp for what ever Heritage foundation Koch sucking thing thier donors paid them to do.
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  15. We know why they lost. The DNC pushed an establishment candidate with huge baggage in a cycle where the voters wanted someone new. They disenfranchised half their voters by ramming a GOP light candidate down their throat and many stayed home instead of supporting her. The Trump voters were motivated to vote for trump because they liked him, Hillary voters did not really like her they were primarily voting against trump. If you put passion against disdain, passion will win each time.
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  16. SpeedyRemake Well I have learned anyone who uses the term "Young Turds" is generally empty and no one should care what you think as it is likely you are part of the problem.
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  17. Glen Baker If you say so,  my guess is you are one of the clowns who like this fact free bullshit.  I am ok and that you imagine that it even scratched me is just you playing wishful thinking.  I am not down or resting, but thanks for the briefly civil thoughts I know that must have been hard for you. 
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  18. The Cutmeister There are lots of video's showing him "debating the issue" and they systematically tear his arguments and straw men apart. His spin is weak and you do not have to look very hard to find well thought out responses that eviscerate him as he steps on poorly prepared debate weak college kids that are steam rolled by his style generally devoid of honest substance. I get it you like him as he says things you agree with. This does not make him a good debater and that you imagine his arguments are rock solid is only because you have not bothered to look for them being countered. His spin is not nearly as good as you imagine it is and he rely's on rhetorical tricks and verbal misdirection much more than facts.
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  19. That is exactly what I expect them to do.
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  20. +LeftismIsForFaggots  Who cares how many? Canada ended its joint combat missions day 1 and the sane consider that a step forward.   I noticed and am happy we are not wasting resources on the policy that has been failing since GB's invasion of Iraq.   You spin is predictably stupid.
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  21. Dude you did not .. you never made a solid point and played empty platitudes about morality while ignoring your spin litterally kills people. You did not answer any of my charges and used empty talking points not connected to reality. The best systems in the world are universally pubic and ignoring that truth to talk about unproven nonsense that empowers a handful of greedy assholes at your own expense is empty. The only #fatality is the people you kill with your spin.
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  22. The republicans have not been either. And you should not expect them to be based on thier entire rhetoric. Watch what they do and this TPP thing is pretty encouraging but I am not holding my breath a version will not be put through. Keeps your eyes on this as I do not expect it to last.
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  23. There seems to be an abundance of pro Putin trolls around for sure.
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  24. luvcheney1 You offer choice between "force" as you define it where I pay less, everyone is covered and there are no copays and a system that leaves the poor to die , sky rockets prices and charges double what those in public systems pay bankrupting a hundred thousand Americans a year. Selling the idea that insurance is a "voluntary" product is tough being that you if do not purchase it you will doom you or a supported family member to death or guarantee your bankruptcy. Health care is not a "nice to have" you should opt into as everyone will need it at some point in their lives and those who do not buy into insurance cost us all more later in emergency room care anyway. The right to opt out for "freedom" and against "coercion" at the cost of actual lives and all our public funds while we are charged double what someone in a public system pays is tough to sell as the moral high ground. The idea we should throw our elderly under the bus is another tough idea to sell to the sane. Arguing against health care as a right is going to be hard as your position boils down to we should let the poor and their children die because they can not afford insurance. You argue we should bankrupt and leave our seniors to die who are just retiring to fixed incomes after contributing to society their whole lives just as they move into a stage of life they need care the most. You are on no moral high ground and need to stop pretending you are with your faux outrage at inequity and a nonsense definition of fair. The key difference between a public and private system is who administers the fund and that everyone is included. Like all insurance the bigger the pool the more the risks and costs are mitigated for the whole group, the public system is the biggest insurance pool you can get. The system takes the pressure off business from providing health care and allows them to focus on what is important. It eliminates mountains pointless expensive bureaucracy and overhead created by the many insurance companies and consolidates it into one non profit organization focused on providing care not making money (gasp). It gives workers the freedom to take any job without worrying about having to find care on their own. That some clowns are not making billions off being middle men while providing no value does not concern me in the slightest. Paying half of what I pay now to the government instead of an insurance company is hardly onerous especially as now all Americans will be covered. I am surprised you use the term redistribution of wealth (and it is clear you support it in its current form) as it has been happening to us for the last 40 years, it would be nice to see it go the other way for a while. The wealth of the middle class has been redistributed to the rich and they have never been richer while the comfortable working class shrinks. The idea the mega rich who are absorbing all our gains should be paying more will never bring a tear to my eye especially as it puts more money in the hands of actual working people while ensuring we no longer deny care based on wallet size.
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  25. Why not?
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  26. eyeseethroughyou Of course, they just seem very thick in this particular set of vids. 
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  27. mahesh samaru Health care is never free and you pay for it with whatever taxes you pay. Your little county is not exactly typical example of universal care or that of a first world nation. Every single first world nation with this type of health care is BETTER rated than us while paying far less. That your country can not do it well does not mean we are doomed to the same fate and there are plenty of better analogs than your system for models. We ration care too except the difference is we base it on the size of your wallet and people dying because they can not afford it marks our system as backward as any other on the system. Nothing is free and paying half of what you do now while getting better results is a path that everyone should be chasing. You should worry about the apparent big problems in your own system before suggesting giving advice as your spin is not informed and does not make sense in context.
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  28. mahesh samaru Ya it based off first world models but as I pointed out to your associate that being small is a disadvantage in any insurance pool. It means it is harder mitigate costs so that it is failing in your tiny market is no reason to assume it will with us as our market is huge and already proves it can support the costs we are already paying. The fact is removing the profit motive from the system, negotiating common prices with providers and reducing the exorbitant cost of drugs in the us will save us trillions. ALL of the first world countries have better health care ratings than us (and much better than you). They are a much better analog to what single payer means than your example. You do not have the common experience of other the large single payer countries and your opinion when it comes to what they succeed in doing is ill informed. Your taxation talking point is silly because this system would see MORE money in the hands of the people not less. That Canadians pay higher taxes than the US is balanced by the fact the Americans pay twice as much for health care and that comes out both taxes and their pockets. Arguing for the right to pay less taxes but more for the service is not only counter intuitive it literately does not make sense. Under this system the rich do pay more depending on how much they make and those like poor children pay nothing. It is system that is prioritized on need not how fat your or your guardians wallet is. Forty thousand people are dying in the US a year because they can not afford care and medical issues are number one reason for bankruptcy. That number in the rest of the first world is zero.
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  29. Joshua Bell We already pay for this service it is NOT GOING TO COST US MORE! It is just a matter of changing the way we collect and distribute the health care dollars we are ALREADY SPENDING! This takes money we flush down the drain of incompetent insurance companies and apply it against a system that is focused on delivering health care not making a profit for next quarter. Your claims we can not do it because of "immigrants" is just more nonsense that has already been mitigated by the systems that use it. Go try to use a hospital in Canada as an "illegal immigrant" without a health card, see how that works for you. You have not addressed a single argument I have made and your stupid "Socialism = Failure/Immorality" is vapid and empty as you seem to be unable to make an actual argument.
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  30. mahesh samaru This is not a pie in the sky idea and it has many proven analogs that show properly managed it works. What does not work as demonstrated by reality is a the system you advocate for if you are remotely concerned about quality accessible health care for everyone and not just the rich. If you are concerned about working families being economically decimated by an accident or illness they have no control of even when they have been paying for insurance. If you are concerned about the quality of health care for poor and lower middle class children our system fucks over for no fault of their own. The root issue is that it is not based on need but their parents ability to pay killing some of them all to protect a trumped up faux moral outrage about theft. You asserting the practices in Europe are failing is not backed up by the facts. They produce better results than we do while spending less and pretending they are "failing" has literally no metrics behind it and is nothing but naked ideological clap trap not attached to reality. What is failing is our system as less and less can afford it and we are letting people die to directly serve a corporations profit motive. We already spend far more than everyone else and the assertion we can not support this kind of system is not attached to anything but your bias as we could pay for care two times over with what we spend now. If the care was "free" for those coming here you might be right but the fact is that 99% number is pulled right out of your ass. Being bankrupted by the health care system is not as attractive of an idea as you paint it. The countries I cite and would model on universally have very high approval ratings for their health care systems. Your assertion that 99% of them all want to come get care in the states is entirely fact free, forget the fact almost none of them can afford it and that is the chief problem with our system which is only getting more expensive.
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  31. ahmendments come up with a reason his "flawless victories" are always against college audiences and news models.
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  32. ***** But they crated the tea party and own half the GOP. They support everyone so they can own everyone. That you imagine they are democrats as they nearly single handedly created the Tea party marks you as clueless. Their pak spent almost a billion dollars last cycle mostly on GOP races. Get your spin strait as you try to call anyone a moron.
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  33. ***** Ya, but they paid for the clowns who got elected in the house and senate. They spent 400 million in this cycle and decided to spend none of it blocking trump. Trump winning the election is just a bonus as he will rubber stamp everything their minions do. There is no reason to expect Trump who is picking exclusively establishment insiders as advisors is going rogue. You have been bamboozled.
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  34. ***** The GOP was "against Trump" because he was not a party insider and they were afraid the few sensible things he said would lose them their donor money. Now he has won they are all lining up and Trump will tow the party line. He will sign anything they put in front of him and will be a rubber stamp for their corrupt and wholly owned policy. Reince was the head of a that corrupt organization and that trump is choosing the ultimate insider as part of his cabinet does not bode well for the draining of the swamp.
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  35. Catherine Folkman Whitford he whines and sues people that say anything against him. the guy is Mr safe space enforced by a Cadre of lawyers.
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  36. SpeedyRemake They fully point out the nature of the Clinton's even if they as they do not spit your often fact free spin.  The way their opposition is expressed is to show the nature of our leadership as bought and sold to the highest bidder and that tiny group own them all through donations and favors.  It has nothing to do with the nonsense ravings of the right who are just as bought and sold as anyone.  This is why the show also openly calls out Hillary as a problem while acknowledging the most other candidates baring a very few exceptions share the same issues which affect the policy they support. That this is not a 24/7 anti Clinton channel is because they have goals much larger than taking down a single set of plutocrats so they can be replaced with others.  As bad as the Clintons are the other side of the coin has been shown to be as corrupt and far worse on the issues that matter to the people on the show.   No one you support on the right will do any better and polices they support will only make the problem worse.  If you look at Belgium and who committed the crimes it becomes clear your solutions would not have helped there and will not help here.  Your border security trope is nonsense and shows you do not understand the issues or what the real problems are.  You are in a fact free bubble and actual information has no value to you. Islam is no worse than Christianity.  The key difference between them is that secular thought has pulled the teeth of crhistianty in the west and taken away its ability to make law for all.  All fundamentalists are the same brand of cancer and all are dangerous to those who love freedom.  They are most dangerous if they are allowed to impose their will.  How much damage they do is driven not by the quality of their ideology but how much power they are given over others.  The path to making Islam more sane is secularism just like it was for Christianity.  Demonizing moderates and those who do not support violence as the same as terrorists plays into the terrorist hands.  This show does not support Islam just the right of people to make a choice.  If we give the right remove peoples choice from religion it plays into the hands of other fundamentalists who want to remove all choices but theirs.  This show opposes fundamentalists in all forms including Islam, pretending they apologize for their failures is fact free. Thanks, you validate everything I have ever said about people who use a the term "Young Turds" as exactly what I said you were..
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  37. Bernie almost did win.  He started with zero name recognition and the whole party working against him.   He changed the way fund raising is done and almost won despite all the things stacked against him.  The establishment dems are done, it is time to replace them as at this point they have zero credibility.
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  38. The DNC did fail us, they failed us because they copied the gop in a search for donor money not only because it makes them rich but because before this cycle it was a winning if not deceitful strategy.  The democrats have followed the GOP off the cliff on selling out,  establishment democrats rarely support their voters will outside some lip service.  It is time to end the corpatist wing of the party who have just lost so badly no one should ever take their advise again.
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  39. Reds1921 The gop would have too but their candidates were so bad they could not get it in and Russia did not bother leaking their garbage.  That you imagine the dems are worse is empty and poorly thought out.  The Dems became corrupt copying the GOP chasing the same money the republicans have a lock on.  That you ignore that sets you up to be kicked teeth again as there is zero chance the republicans will change anything now they accidently and much to their surprise won.
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  40. Reds1921 You are the moron who does not know the GOP is wholly owned, has been for a long time and does not even pretend otherwise.  Everything that made Hillary bad was attached to her being far too much like a 90's republican and that she chased the exact same money that bought the GOP's senate and house seats this cycle. Being called stupid by the ignorant is not very compelling. 
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  41. ***** I love the fact people like you think capitulating to what ever Russia does is the only way to maintain the peace.  Russian aggression has been held in check for 70 years with the might of the west.  Nothing is changing because even Putin is not stupid enough to risk turning his country into a sheet of glass to annex a few more states.  The America will cause a war spin is clear propaganda put out by the Russian media and it is nonsense on the face to anyone who actually pays attention knows who the aggressors are.
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  42. Ragitsu That is what trump indicated. He said he would not necessarily enforce Nato treaties so that is tacit support. That does not strike me a the way to go. Appeasement of an expansionist dictator did not work out well last time. If putin thinks he can "get away with it" he will do so
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  43. ***** Well it is also a nod that russia can do what they want unopposed by the US. Handing your allies to Russia over some protection money may suit russia's interests but abandoning our allies to empower them is probably not the bet way to go. We do need to scale back military spending but he said he was going to increase that so which is it? Are we going to spend the same or more or cut and run because trump says our allies do not contribute enough?
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  44. luvcheney1 You support actual murder over conceptual theft ... and that is very telling. You arguing it is some kind of freedom to pay double what the rest of the first world does while letting people who can not afford it die marks your tacitly asserted moral superiority as empty nonsense. There is no working system on the planet that you call moral because the only way you get the volume necessary to have a world class affordable health care system is with everyone automatically buying in. Now you can argue that is involuntary but your spin is at the direct cost of 95% of us who would pay less and the 10's of thousands that die because they can not afford care. If you do not want to be "robbed" by paying far less then you should go live somewhere else that has the imaginary system you desire where the argument against theft is not made at the cost of lives. Your vaunted faux moral spin about voluntary services is a tool of stasis that is literally killing people as we speak. You choose an intellectual concept over the very lives of your fellow citizens in defense of greed and waste to enrich a couple handfuls of people. What is actual force is to empower insurance companies to choose who lives or dies based the pursuit of their profit. To put their bottom line above the lives of your fellow Americans. Get this through your head you do not empower freedom with your spin, you argue for our slavery to the powers who enacted actual death panels to avoid paying for care.
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  45. It is what they will do. I will be shocked if they tank it entirely. Their owners would not like it.
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  46. We feel the same way about you clowns.
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  47.  @averydaymond1560  This is very stupid spin as Kavenah IS THE ESTABLISHMENT and any defense of him is sucking off the corrupt failure that is our current crony system. Hillary was cancer but was head and shoulders better than Trump even so. The idea parkmen is estblishment is empty nonsense. Supporting hillary over trump or haveing a nuanced postion on issues does not equal esblishment.
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  48. Mediocrity's Maze I understand. I try to keep the fact the fear we feel as we watch these them act like angry bulls stalking one another is not just a by product and is engendered by design. Drama at this level is not an accident and the same fear that had people expecting to be nuked by the 'commies' or on the other side the 'imperilaists' in the 50's is still being employed as a tool to make us more insular and afriad today.
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  49. Making him into a Trump is a total fail as we know what the face of conservative leadership looks like in Canada.   He did not betray everything he said in Paris and pretending he did ignores what he did do.   The fact is Oil is the life blood of the country and pipelines are inevitable it is a matter of where they go and how they work with those involved including the first nations. They are committing to climate change and are taking heat from the media because they did in the form of the demonization of the carbon tax which is a talking point for big oil sold to the ignorant.   I will take 80% of the pie instead of getting none, thanks Jane. Perhaps it is time for Jane to show the Canadians how to really left leaning non neo liberal support to get the leaders she wants while she openly supported the DNC which is completely corrupt.
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  50. I have no problem with Nato building up on the border with Russia.  They have already shown they are aggressive and I refuse to spit their spin that they have a reason to be afraid they will be attacked.   Nato is a defensive organization and if it is not allowed to set up defenses in the countries that belong what is it meant for?
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  51. Except they will not listen to anything. We are stopping no one and they are going to do what they want including stacking the court with insane justices for the next generation. I am not sure the left is not still fractured. I still hear bernie was a sell out from elements of the left and that shows what a mess this has become.
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  52. hektikvideos random denial of assertions are not an argument either. Google it is an acceptable response when faced with empty with an opponent who thinks nuh uh is a rebuttal.
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  53. Joshua Bell not qualified? I said you fan boys would say he won no matter what. Prediction confirmed. If you think Ben convinced anyone our heath care system is the best or money in politics is not an issue then it litterly does not matter what was said as it is clear you had you mind made up before the start and ignored the actual debate.
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  54. ***** Preibus headed the GOP which has never pretended to not be bought. The GOP is fully corrupt and they were such losers the voters rejected their own "establishment" candidates who never got out of the gates. Like the DNC they are completely owned and that you thought you elected an outsider is betrayed by the insiders he is going to choose to surrounded him self with. Trump empowers the same cancer that encouraged the dems to stay home or in some cases vote for trump because of the corruption exposed in the DNC. Both parties are fully owned and you can expect more of the same fail under the admin Trump picks. You should not choose the alligators to drain the swamp as it is their home.
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  55. ***** He fucking choose the ultimate insider PRIEBUS. He is going to appoint a goldman sachs vp to treasury. These people are INSIDERS!!! They are kings of the "swamp" and that you expect them to fight to drain it is poorly thought out. The fact is the GOP is wholly owned and does not pretend otherwise. Hillary was a bad choice because the clintons moved the democrats to the right and found a way to be as bought as the GOP was. This was thier big plan in a year people were tired of the status quo and the popularity of business as usual was reflected in the results. If you were anti corruption and voted Trump on that basis you are about to be fundamentally betrayed. This is s sure thing and there is almost no chance of it going any other way. We need to gut both parties and it looks like the Dems are going to be burned to the ground and rebuilt, good riddance. The fact is the GOP will not learn thier lesson and will continue to be owned by thier donors. It will take another cycle or so before they try to catch up now. Bottom line, be you left leaning or right leaning we need to fight to get money out of politics totally or we can expect our leaders to continue to sell us out to those who buy them.
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  56. ***** I would not hold your breath.  His party is wholly owned and does not even pretend otherwise.  The cabinet he is choosing is made of insiders and lobbyists,  we should expect business a usual and do not expect the economy to rock because as proven tax cuts for the wealthy do nothing but explode the debt and force cuts to programs and services working people use every day but the rich do not need.   
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  57. If it turns out to be true .. it is not going to pass before Obama leaves. I expect it to pass after on the GOP terms.
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  58. Catherine Folkman Whitford What he said is factually true. That you imagine the GOP is not corrupt and you have not just put the selling out of america on steriods means have not been paying attention. The Dems were corrupt as shown by wiki leaks, that you somehow imagine the GOP is not marks you as delusional. You are in for rude awakening that is if you continue to follow what he does and do not drift off into whatever shangri la you were in before the media spurred you to "action"
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  59. Catherine Folkman Whitford We are in agreement that the GOP is more forthright. Some might consider that some kind of statement in thier favour but the fact is the measure is in what they fight for and who they overtly represent not that "honesty". The democrats are owned and hilary represents a tepid weak wolf in sheep's clothing. The answer to her failure is not to put the actual hard core wolves she is trying to copy in charge.
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  60. I am actually hopeful that they exposure of the DNC by Russia is the first step to cleaning out the corruption that has been an innate part of it for a long time.   They did sway the election but did so by exposing corruption we should have been aware of anyway if we had been paying attention.   In any case Russia sucks but if they show where our corruption is and help us on the left to make better choices when the next primary comes around. All that being said Oberman's anger is kind of soothing and mirrors what I feel internally.
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  61. +SpeedyRemake He does get that .. you have no clue what Jimmy thinks.
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  62. Reds1921 The RNC is innately corrupt. The  DNC at least has a chance to clean house and build from the ground up with people who have no interest in bellying up to the corporate cash bar.
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  63. They are not cons and do not lick the ass of every clown that agrees with them.
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  64. A third party is a really bad idea.   It will split the left and give the corporate dems a home to fight us from effectively handing power to a unified right.   We need to take the party from the corporate sell outs and put their broken ideas out to pasture.  This third party thing is nothing but a licences to hand the GOP control for a long time.
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  65. They own what happens in the next couple years. That is the key difference and they can not blame anyone for the failures to come. They have no opposition.
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  66. luvcheney1 You love them so much you are happy to see them die as long s you do not contribute to a pool that provides health care for others. You have no idea what the word means
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  67. kommisar It is not an act of coercion it is a n act grave indifference to their life, it is not coercive at all and simply you dismiss that person right to live and take it from them. You can can commit murder through your own actions or through an act of inaction to save them why you have the power to. You are guilty of murder of the second type or at best are guilty of being an accessory though inaction. You let them die to save some property and your are far worse than the person who "steals" from you because you step over bodies as you walk through life. The fact is your bullshit spin is hyperbolic emotional bullshit and that is why you use it. It is not "literally stealing" to contributed to the common good. Call it theft if you want to but it is empty bullshit meant to pull at the heart strings of a specific mindset and by the contemporary meaning of the world does not apply. You have options, you can leave and live somewhere else. Health care is oxygen and we will all need it someday. "Not wanting insurance" is a path to certain death or bankruptcy and the ONLY way you avoid one of those fates is to die suddenly. No one sane opts out of health care and that you would deliver it on the basis of how much money is in your wallet ensures children through no fault of their own will die because of your bizarre demand to fly with no health care as freedom. You are arguing to pay double what the rest of the first world pays while letting children die without care and it is empty bullshit. You are killing them through your inaction and in defense of greed and a unwillingness to demand we enrich the vampires in the insurance companies simply so you can opt out. The only ones doing so are those who do can not afford it and your spin is empty sophistry. Of insurance companies choose if you live or die at the point you are ill and need to rely on them paying out. They fight to exclude paying because of "preexisting conditions" or cut you off when you hit your life time cap. They actually had whole departments focused on getting out of their contracts through loop holes to make another buck and were signing the bankruptcy or death warrens of 10 of thousands of american citizens all of whom were paying for insurance. The death panels are the groups who decide to exclude your care for cancer because you had acne when you were child, the murder people to pump up the bottom line and you ignoring that marks you are immoral.
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  68. luvcheney1 Except that is not what happened. Your spin literally leaves people to die so spare me morality lecture as your greed and sicking lack of respect for life is showing. You contribute or not that is your choice and that you you choose not to and have to deal with the fallout is not immoral as the other option is to let your neighbors die around you for the right to pay double for a service the rest of first world pays far less.
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  69. kommisar Your defense of greed and the right to pay double what the rest of the first world pays with poorer covarage is noted. There is no argument that makes our system attached to freedom and what it represents is robbery to enrich a handful at the cost of lives and is the main reason for bankruptcies in our country. I will take some "corrosion" for the common good if we get better results, no medical bankruptcies and no more deaths to empower greed. Join our society or get the hell out the days of us living like a 3rd world country have to end and clowns like you have to stop pretending that is the way to go.
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  70. kommisar It is not a false dichotomy on my part because I am comparing it to what we have today. There is no meaningful or complete proposal even on the table, forget about a working example from your side of the debate. There is no reason to believe in a captive market like health care the insurers will continue to be incentivized to do anything but continue to maximize their profits. The free market is not a magic bullet and does particularly badly in delivering critical services like health care that are needed by both those who have money and those who do not. It is not a commodity whose need is not driven by desire but it is consistently demanded by necessity as a matter of life or death. There has to be some part of you that understands making money is not a good incentive if your service is to provide critical health care and you make more by finding reasons and setting up loop holes in the policy to deny coverage. The choice to pay others health care or not is meaningless if my system is too expensive for a calculated segment of the market to ever join. The system you describe leaves behind the most vulnerable, the very young and the very old to include a profit motive that does nothing but add to the cost of the product while offering no value. The issue of force as you libertarians describe it is meaningless as Americans die or are bankrupted every day for lack of care and I pay double what everyone else who has a public system does. I see no reason and have no examples to point as that makes me believe your imagined/imaginary system would do any better than ours. It is easy spot key areas where it would be worse. Sorry about messing up and pasting my own name in somehow on the last post, it has been corrected. Thanks.
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  71. kommisar Your opposition is empty as you do not have an actual proposal of your own. Until you have an answer that is something other than a pipe dream and more substantial than vapor your can forgive others overlooking you baseless claims. You can not expect to be taken seriously until your proposal is more than a pipe dream, it should at least be embryonic. The profit motive as a corrupting element is a key issue in our system. Unless you have a proposal to mitigate the negative effects then your system is faulty and doomed to fail from the start. The free market which is great for driving down the cost of manufactured goods does not work that way inside captive markets like health care. The insurance companies do not make money by providing care but by not providing it. Their incentive will always be to pay out as little as possible no matter what the cost to the lives of their customers is. When all the companies do the same thing the idea of choice for the consumer evaporates. The argument completion will solve the problem is this case is not based on anything but hopeful fantasy. There is no reason to expect prices will fall and we can expect them to rise to a point a certain percentage of can not afford it then to hold as high as they can keep it. There is no incentive to lower costs. Your system has no means of cost control and as it is not concerned with costs because the insurance companies simply raise the rates as prices increase. Higher prices mean higher rates and more profit. They have no incentive to keep health care costs low and the market will charge what it can bear no less. There are plenty of examples where the free market work well but the idea it is a cure all for every problem is empty poorly thought out nonsense. You make this assertion with basically a religious like credulity and empty assertions of your concepts validity. There is no literally no data to back up your claims. As I explained before it much more expensive here because it is treated like a commodity. Doubling down on a failed strategy expecting better results simply does not make sense. We have them most free market profit driven system in the free world but we also have the most expensive and the only one that does not cover all it's citizens while making health care the single our largest reason for bankruptcy. Your proposal does not reduce costs, we know what does and that you hate the answer does not change it. People go bankrupt and die in our country specifically because of our shitty version of for profit private insurance empowering health care. We already pay massive sums of public money to take care of a segment of our population that insurance companies do not even want to talk to and happily dump onto us. The poor and the old. Insurance companies have socialized the costs of the elderly and poor while scooping up the premiums of the young which if in a public system would mitigate those making the cost of care we already pay for go down. The freedom you fight for is the freedom to be slaves to an insurance company greed which will attempt to deny you care while killing and bankrupting Americans. That would not change under any system you propose and in fact would probably be far worse for most of the old and the poor cut off from aid would not be able to afford coverage at all. You go ahead and fight for your freedom to step over bodies on the streets. I would rather live in a society that cares about its citizens lives and takes that roll seriously. In the end we will win this war of ideas because our policy is based on facts/what works and not just empty rhetoric about force/theoretical pipe dreams.
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  72. ***** That is heartening, because the agreement was the only thing that stopped the bombers from flying. I hope your analysis is right and I should have known that donalds proclamations are only ever half thought out. Thanks.
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  73. ***** Pathetic, this does not speak to HIS understanding of the situation even as your reasonable explanation puts me at ease. My concern was based on what Trump said he will do and I hope you are right and can not do it.
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  74. ***** You are probably right and your spin makes a great deal of sense. I should have looked into it more before listening to the proclamations of a clown who only ever half knows what he is doing. I appreciate what you said.
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  75. ***** You are correct. She copied the GOP which now has full control of everything because she was so tone deaf and did not see this coming. Hillary's worst problems was she "triangulated" to become exactly the GOP in cycle the GOP establishment candidates were crushed by thier oven version of an outsider who will now be playing ball because he was never anti establishment. That anyone expects a silver spoon entitled con artist to look out for the people means they are desperate for the image they lay on top of him hiding who he really is.
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  76. Your views are way up .. you are nailing it Jimmy.
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  77. +Mephistahpheles I agree, I just do not think he will actually tank it. They are stopping Obama from passing it because if it goes through now they will not have the power to rebrand it and make "changes" as they would like. I expect another version of the same deal will be passed on thier own terms once trump is in office. If they do tank it I will be the first to cheer but based on thier past and who owns them I do not expect that to be the case.
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  78. ***** He will go back to the table and "amend" it.  He will then say it is now good and like the trained seals you clowns are you will support it. 
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  79. ***** Then perhaps shut up and do not comment on things you know nothing about. Mark my words half wit my predictions are based on the fact the GOP is fully invested in the deal and have been waving the flag of every single free trade deal we have made. They are fully owned by the interests that wrote the deal and one way or another it will go through.
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  80. ***** You know very little it appears. Your generalities aside not every american is part of the religious right.
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  81. ***** The "regressive left" is  tiny minority who does not represent liberals and are called regressive because of their illiberal authoritarian tendencies.  We agree on both sides there are fails
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  82. Krowman84 Then you are a troll or do not know what it means and are ignorantly acting like one.
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  83. Because you are ignorant of what the term means does not mean You tube should apply your dishonest narrative.
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  84. How is Russia moving troops to it's borders first not a provocation? The fact is the NATO troop movements were at the request of the countries where they were moved because they felt threatened. Who's but Russians buy the contention NATO is moving troops to the border to invade Russia?. The idea that the entire western alliance is conspiring to attack Russia is a real tough sell to the sane. This is nothing but Russian spin to absolve them of any responsibility for escalation as it paints the entire west as eager to attack Russia when that is not remotely true. The fact is Russia has its eye on states formerly under it's control and that they have already annexed territory should remove any doubt about the reason for their actions. If a NATO country is not allowed to have NATO troops in it because that is "provocation" why even be in it?
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  85. He shit his pants to stay out of the military, he is a chicken hawk big talking pussy.
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  86. Genius .. if he is going to run as democrat he should not run. Business as usual promoted .. that is fucking stupid.
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  87. Ya liberals are the lunatics .. lol.
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  88. This is especially true as both parties are bought by the same people.
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  89. They care because using nerve agents is abominable and the nerve agent is Russian. Asking Russia how they lost control of that resource is a very valid question at the very least. Answers to who did this start with the Russians. I agree there does seem to be a rush to judgment.
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  90. They barely did it last time and are not so powerful they can not be beat.
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  91. Everything you say is true but she is only bad if you compare her to any one of two other people in the race. I think her stance on torture should be a stumbling block for her but do not want to dig on her too hard as she is good on almost everything else and is great compared to any establishment lackey. I have already been attacked by progressives for pointing out her flaws even as I make it clear I like her, just not as much as I like Bernie. Bernie is hands down better and once the race starts we will see that reflected in his support.
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  92. It is a fact that they have done similar things before. It is because it sends a very public message to other would be spy's. Understanding how someone got the Russian nerve agent is the key to understanding who did it.
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  93. Khashon Haselrig Russia should still be able to say how the product got there. If not their competence to guard to dangerous material should be deeply in question. Nothing is going to come from this saber rattling anyway, it did not last time either.
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  94. Unless you look too closely and then deeply problemaatic issues become evident. She should be a distant 3rd or 4th choice for all the progrssives she has been courting.
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  95.  @coryascott  by every single poll that person is bernie.
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  96.  @kellyhallidayiiify  Bernie is #1 and she is a very very pale copy of him. I also see Warren as better because she has a more consistent track record and public statements. Hillary? Not a single establishment originated candidate should see daylight so I put Tulsi at 3rd or 4th. I like Tulsi, but she has real problems on a few issues that should be deal breakers in a primary as they directly fly in the face of the image she appears to have carefully constructed.
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  97. Don't you see you live in a fact free universe where you just make shit up.
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  98. He is making money off the situation, he may be a bull shitter but he still has more credibility than trump or anyone in his cabinet.
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  99. They are publicly shitting on democrats if you care to look.
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  100. Jimmy if you break the TOS of your electric company they can cut you off. Same with the phone company, in those cases the TOS is attached to payment and in the case of electric service safe use. The idea they can cut your off randomly for what you believe is not attached to reality.
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  101. They have done these kind of things before. This is not the first guy to be made an example of. When you do this kind of murder on the fly as a mattrr of policy it is going to be easy to pin any of them on you. MAD is still just as in effect as it has been since th 50's and pretending this is any kind of pretext to war is poorly informed
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  102. Mediocrity's Maze You will notice the conventional wars that are supported by the establishment are limited in scope and target weak opponents they can quickly (or slowly and "safely") crush and use as a cash cow. Russia does not qualify and it should be clear they are never hitting anyone who is a nuclear power. The talk of this being a prelude to war is hyperbolic. Russia is under zero threat from NATO. Putin is more likely to invade former satellites triggering conflict than it starting over a dead spy.
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  103. Mediocrity's Maze Like I said there is far more likely to be war over Russia annexing a former satilite than over some saber rattling issue like a dead spy. Conventional war is profitable, nuclear war is not for anyone.
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  104. Mediocrity's Maze every time i hear false flag, race to war, it is nothing but cover to make the west more like they are poised to attack russia and that is a kremlin narritive not attached to reality. The idea this is a push for war is not valid even if war is profitable. It is saber rattleing meant to give them more options for sanctions they have in mind and nothing else. I read your comments in full and responded in kind. No one in power has ever started a nuclear war because those in power will destroy the root of it if they ever used those weapons and owning them precludes a conventional attack. What you end up with is the same nearly 80 year old stalmate we have had for a long time through murders and events more sensational than this one.
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  105. Mediocrity's Maze fair enough. I get your point and I understand you are not pushing the narrative i was taking about. Appologies
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  106. Mediocrity's Maze fair, any time clowns with the power that these do rumble like they may want to want to fight it should disturb us all. Rest assured they make these same sounds all the time at each other, not soothing but par for the course.
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  107. They are not pledged to party, they are fighting to get something to the american people who desperately need covid checks. It is shitty but assholes like Jimmy would shit on them for getting in the way and the you know for a fact the main stream media would do the same. This is a lose lose for them and ignoring that fact is brain dead.
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  108.  @charliezxi  if you say so. I see those openly opposing us. You go ahead and piss on the ones who are not because they are blocked by a system meant to stop them. I see no reason to think they do so for a party that openly hates them.
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