Comments by "sharper68" (@sharper68) on "David Pakman Show" channel.

  1. Going to the dictator who started the war for information on the war seems a poor choice Tuck ..
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  2. The only way he can run is if he admits he lost.
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  3. That this is not screamed from the roof tops in every venue is sickening!
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  4. Stay safe!
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  5. So be it. Any American assets in Russia are disposable. Keep the pressure on.
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  6. because his dad gave him money does not mean he understands teriffs.
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  7. Gremob Arthban Ya like every evaluation of bell curve for the last 15 years. The bell curve is considered discredited nonsense and you need to do at least a little research before you defend it as unopposed.
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  8. Cultists never do.
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  9. Good piece Dave!
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  10. At some point this is all moot until the DOJ acts on any of this. I suspect they will not because they have been told not to.
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  11.  @thejarjosh  nonsense. it did not hurt the gop when they did it.
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  12. The thermostat data is really the critical stuff. Everyone knows the old proverb ... Step 1: Monitor some woman's thermostat Step 3: Control of the planet
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  13. He was a con then, he pulled those comments 12 years ago and disavowed them then. This was a stupid move on JD's part which does nothing but hurt them. It is a totally self inflicted wound.
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  14. I have been saying this all day. The statement does not mean there is no evidence, simply that there was not enough to bring charges or make any other but the declaration summarized.
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  15. Good question. The fact is they only react to lies. They love them.
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  16. Putting it in context of them being pro forced birth better explains who they are.
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  17. Whats crazy is not admitting someone won even when you know they did.
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  18. Rest in power Micheal.
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  19.  @1faderaider  He is such a whiner, my 7 year old has far more character.
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  20. Lutra Nereis This will hurt JD because it estranges many people they need support from. Acting like the stereotypical "social justice warrior" instead of focusing on policy and actions is a fail of epic proportions that will do nothing but hurt them. I hope they recover but this was a brutal self inflicted wound on their part.
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  21. 1) Those laws are unenforceable if you have no facility to compare wages between workers. 2) Your assertion is nothing but a historical trend that is no longer that status quo and you need to leave the 70's. 3) This is not about their choices but what we value. We have decided to pay less for their jobs in spite of the fact it requires more education to qualify for. 4) Your generalities are not borne out by numbers and everyone is working longer hours and asking for raises is not the defacto solution for men either. Pretending it is on woman for not asking for a raise or on their choices is empty and out of touch. They are not mad at having choices, they are mad that those choices are punished by paying them less for the same work. Your spin is nothing but a set of chamber of commerce talking points meant to steal money from working families for a little longer to no one's benefit.
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  22. Your secret is out David, lol.
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  23. David I very am surprised you are quoting the daily beasts story .. They know where the money went and tell you in their very article and Jill has accounted for the rest. This is amplifying a hit peace done on Jill and you are complicit, this is Steven Crowder like and well below you.
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  24. He pulled out too because he did not agree with the JD staff and could not be part of the leadership as they chose to tow the line they did. He resigned out of principle. Cons will can not and never will understand it.
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  25. These people are insane
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  26. It is not just for him but for a team and infrastructure etc. That is not a lot at the end of every month when it is not just your paycheck. 7k a month for a staff of 3 (or more) and support for a studio is not a lot of money. He has seen his revenue drop before and he desire to stem the tide of this loss is eminently reasonable.
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  27. He thinks it should be the law of the land, these are the kind of people who want a theocracy. They are the christen version of the Taliban.
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  28. How many times do they have to be wrong before they give up? Counting must be a tool of the devil. 
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  29. Aviations .. my favorite book in the bible. ;)
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  30. I have been saying this, there are multi nationals driving policy of G7 countries. They are the shadowy cabal writing our trade policy and deciding economic and foreign policy to benefit that class of people. Sovereignty of countries is being eroded in service to these groups.
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  31. The problem is the "centrists" as they are the ones estranging the base and not exciting anyone new as they push the status quo. In serving their donors they chase unpopular policy as they run right. The people who would not vote for hillary after she cheated were not likely to have voted or supported her regardless as she was not remotely inspiring and never represented them anyway.
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  32. Presentation pro tip : When you start babbling about demonic entities at a school board meeting you lose everyone there who is sane.
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  33. She has real problems that every progressive should be concerned about. Her interview with Dave Rubin highlighted a failure that is always kind of detectable but kind of hard to articulate. It manifests in many progressives seeing something off about her and is validated when she talks about specific subjects. Ignoring that she agree's with the open borders spin shared by a shill or that she is anti war while supporting the war on terror which has been the root of all our wars lately is hard to balance. She should have been dismissed long ago, David called it early.
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  34. TheGuerillapatriot Lol. He is not in favor of it, he publicly said on camera that private organizations should have the right to discriminate. That sir is a component of the civil rights act.  That he does not want to "overturn the act" is a very small consolation to many who do not agree with him.
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  35. Exposing how wretched these guys are is as simple as giving them the rope to hang themselves with.   He does far more harm to his views by speaking than promotion.
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  36.  R Reed  The projection from you clowns is always so spot on.
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  37. Entitlement is a hell of a drug.
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  38.  @feslenraster  I care about my capital building more than a random Walmart, ya. Don't you?
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  39.  @X2LR8  No, Because they did not storm in. They were in the galley protested and were removed. On Wisconsin, No deaths, no injuries, no arrests for violence or damage and the protest that was overwhelmingly peaceful. Your sad attempt to do false comparisons and revisionist history is pathetic. You literally stand with violent insurrectionists who looted our capital building under a traitors flag to install a dictator on the back of naked lies. Never pretend to value law and order or our constitution again.
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  40. There was a moron in the back nodding along ....
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  41. @Mystic A You will live in the shadow of the protection the responsible will cast for you. Ignoring science for good feels is never a good look.
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  42. Correctly judge him very harshly
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  43. A little of colmn a, a little of column b
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  44. Letting these guys talk in public highlights just how despicable and fact free they are. Every time one of them speaks a few more people drop their anti gay bias just to disassociate themselves from morons this pathetic.
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  45. He has been clear about it before. He has never liked her. Sadly I have gone from supporting her at the start to pushing her away the longer this campaign has gone. She has made a number of choices that have led me into in a state that is similar to Davids camp as I lost respect for her.
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  46. Is the answer Tone deaf?
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  47. Agree! That it was ever even close is something I want to look back at with relief rather than regret
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  48. He has gotten more wrong by the day. His latest take is that denying abortion is not a problem becuase he is not getting anyone pregnant. Hard fail!
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  49. shuffles around proudly, there fixed for ya. These clowns have no bottom.
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  50.  @victorbergman9169  True, but pretty safely dismissed as a non issue. So we are back to; Ok orange cry baby, did you win or lose?
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  51. Nothing that justifies this reaction, this is the JD cutting off their nose to spite their face. Your doubt is not connected to a single complaint or what he consistently fights for.
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  52. Except he got what he deserved, the boot.
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  53. Nothing she says is remotely valid.  The right to deny a certain coverage to your workers is not a religious right.   Her army of straw men is not even connected to reality and you have to be flat out stupid to buy a word of the garbage she shares.
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  54. Clearly because someone cast aspersions on it.
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  55. I see no reason to leave it intact. it is the root of our cost problems. you should have to buy it on top your coverage but all root health care needs to be covered first.
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  56.  @dancolo5250  Davids disciples? GTFOOH , this is not a parallel to the GOP worshipers. Independent though is not what you advocate for here.
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  57.  @X2LR8  It is you who is attempting to liken things that are not alike as a weak defense for indefensible behavior. You are not shutting anything down. You using the tried and true 6 year old's response of, I know you are but what am I. I did not change the topic, I burned down your bankrupt talking points. You have a double standard you are trumpeting now, my showing how your transparently partisan spin is not valid is not your failure I was literally pointing out.
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  58. I am voting for Biden as a choice of who I wish to oppose. It is not a lessor evil thing, it is tactical.
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  59. Cause he lies to the to prop up an empty identity buried under him grifting the whole lot of them. He despises the unwashed masses of morons who love him.
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  60.  Amy Sternheim  She spits on blue collar people as peasants.
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  61.  @silencedogood5766  You do not care what the term means, that you do not like it, are scared of it, or do not understand it does not make it junk.
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  62.  @thefpvlife7785  They can try to amend it, we need to get money out of politics first.
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  63.  @purdybill  As is correct, pushing back on their silly notion I should care about what their book says is a worthwhile thing to do.
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  64. ***** Now that is commitment, nice!
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  65. ***** He is strong and no matter what happens it is good to have him in the mix. A real progressive voice is something that has been missing from the conversation for too long.
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  66. +Matt Santos Belonging to a cult like group makes you a cult.
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  67. Even if this study was valid (and by all accounts it is not) it would still not be a good argument against parenthood of any kind.  Adults becoming parents have almost no restrictions with regard to their "quality" in our society and there is no reason to start with gay parents.
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  68. His voters will never hold him to account.  As long as what he is saying this minute (record aside) has a spin they like no amount of hypocrisy will matter.  This is a GOP hallmark and a key element to their ability to slander and misrepresent truth with no consequences.
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  69. +Darnell Williams II Bullshit, what is destroying america are the ass hats people like you support.
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  70. whyamimrpink78 I can see why when he enacts the republican plan you might call him a fascist.  We should have put in a single payer option from the start but our corporately owned lap dogs of leaders need to bow their heads to the insurance companies, big pharma and the medical lobby,   We say he is conservative because he consistently enacts the same policy conservatives once fought for or actually enacted themselves.  You are deluding yourself if think Obama is anything but pretending to be progressive.
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  71. Shoregrey No one will tell you that unless you register it as a public business.  Other than that no one is arguing for access to your home.  If you going to straw man our position do not have such a weak and transparent one.
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  72.  @dancolo5250  It is against the nature of someone who leans left to blindly follow anything. If they were inclined to do so they would have fallen into the group think nature of the right instead of questioning status quo and those in power. The left is fractured and does not stand together like the right does because it is innately anti dogmatic outside a vocal and media promoted fringe. This group acts more like the right than the anyone on left should. The media gives louder voices to these people to bolster the image of a both sides same fail fallacy.
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  73. It does imply it, does not mean it is true.
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  74.  @ktrigg2  They need to start paying their fair share and need to lose their undo influence on our governance and policy
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  75. Nonquack when you have to misrepesent what you opponets are even proposing like you are here it undermines all your crediblity. How is the classification of gun types even relevent when we are talking about subjects like universal back ground checks? There is no amount gun knowlege that counters a desire for that position. The fight to properly reglate the purchase and ownership of guns is not an attack on gun rights and you characterizaion is the exact kind of stawman david describes. As you advoate for the position you do you do not support responsible ownership instead pushing for the status quo which is basic anachy.
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  76. Curtis Dressman Welcome to the new millennia. Read something other than your racist justification porn on the subject and join us in this decade. NO ONE but partisans who have a very specific racial agenda value the assertions of the bell curve for a great number of reasons that basically invalided it. If you are interested in a digestible list of why it is not longer considered valid do yourself a favor and read the following: http://www.slate.com/articles/briefing/articles/1997/01/the_bell_curve_flattened.ht It is not considered scientific for a great many reasons.
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  77.  @X2LR8  Does not matter what your ridiculous standard is. From the perspective of law yours matches the definition of sedition and the others because of the points I mentioned do not. You are spouting transparently silly gibberish, not advanced analysis. Listen to what? More uninformed poorly thought out nonsense?
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  78.  @jimohara  Then you were not paying attention too closely if you think there were no consequences for those involved.
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  79. :face-blue-covering-eyes:ONLY REMOTELY SANE CHOICE AS IT STANDS.:face-blue-covering-eyes:
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  80. Fits right in with the other assholes attending.
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  81. I appreciate your balanced perspective. I makes me happy I still have you on my watch list. Keep up the good work.
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  82.  Jody Owen  She would not be dead if she got vaccinated instead of pretending she was a doctor. She took her self out.
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  83. No one ever called her clever, ever.
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  84.  @druidictroy1157  probably, sadly I have seen people say that and mean it.
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  85. What about devout followers that die? They are monsters for worshiping a monstrous god.
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  86. In stone, you do not trust medicine and can not review basic medical material you should not be working in the industry.
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  87. @Noob Sieger 27 It creates jobs not necessarily for doctors but in the health care industry as it expands to cover all of us and not just a subset.
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  88. Javier Navarro Because you are apparently a simple binary person you can not understand socialism is not communism. The fact is in socialism private ownership can be and is clearly still allowed depending on the specific system you are looking at. Communism is the means of production owned by the people, you are misusing the word socialism out of ignorance or dishonesty. There different ways for socialism to manifest and your absolutist nonsense ignores reality.
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  89. well in their defense they have no actual ideas.
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  90. Is an odd claim given Mr Pillow owns his own media company that is not going to censor him. The idea they have it is fodder for morons at this point and no one with a working brain still thinks they have it. The entire claim is nonsense and if they had data backing up the assertion it would have been released a long long time ago.
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  91. lisa houk  The fact you think we are the trolls is hilarious .. No one thinks you care what anyone says, you are a troll and probably only speak trollish anyway. When it comes to what anyone else thinks, no one cares what you assert about that.
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  92. Absolute media control always boosts the governments popularity, funny that.
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  93. Nathan Robinson Straw men and misrepresentation. No one should be defined by their fringe and if you do then cons would not fare well here either.  Progressives as a group always question everything and they do not march to the beat of any drum.  They do not accept the status quo and your spin that they are authoritarian is fact free. It was cons who were the actual brown shirts, it is conservatives who march lock step and love authority while ignoring facts and you mistake one group for the other.  Agree with them or not your characterization is fact free.
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  94. Bengazi, lol.
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  95. philosophicalreason His value is in his unique well spoken perspective and it is not about "real information" or naming names.  I understand his desire to not name names and they do not really matter in context of the value of being able to articulate a view point that is never well expressed or explained.
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  96. paranor001 Don't kid yourself that is there too, it just does not have the national voice there.
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  97. +Politiekman Dave gives a platform for the alt right to speak their mind without ever pushing back.  These types of shows give these people legitimacy they do not deserve and serve their interests while going full throated attack mode on their "allies" on the left.  They have a dishonest spin meant to appeal to a specific identified market.
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  98. ***** They do not refuse to talk to those they oppose.  These people do not come on their show because they know their talking points and nonsense assertions will be called out.  I love talking with people who have different political view points but I will continue to reserve the right to call out nonsense.  That can make me unpopular with them, so be it. 
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  99. kyokogodai You think your alt right garbage has them nodding .. you are out of touch with reality. 
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  100. No true Scotsman much?  I think they are a scam too but they are just a bit more bizarre than the average fundamentalist.
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  101. Not conflicted at all.  If he can not do his job then that is on him.  He should expect no provision to support his bigotry in the public sphere.   If he can not do his job because of a conflict with his faith then he must make a choice between the two and whatever his call is he will have to live with.  
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  102. Totally is the governments place when they issue the business license.  They serve all the people and in guaranteeing equal access to service for the good of all. These people are free to be as hateful and ignorant as they choose in their daily life,  if they can not comply with the basic terms of their business license they should not be signing it. 
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  103. MidScream1 if he gets past the crooked dnc there is nothing trump has to stop him. He barely beat hillary and that you imagine he has a chance against the most popular politician in the country marks you as deluded.
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  104. That Bernie can call out thier corruption makes him fundamentally different from traditional establishment democrats
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  105.  @elliotlake1882  An ever growing base of people sick of the innate corruption drivng our system everyone hates.
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  106. It is not a smere on her. Pointing out the same faults you just did is what they are doing.
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  107. After not being there with them.
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  108. While crying they need to be respected ... I say no.
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  109. The Russian Troll Network They represented the most obstructionist congress and senate in history and voted for none his proposals up to and including an exclusively republican solution to health care that did not have any proposals their own base wanted. You are clearly out of touch with reality.
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  110. Government so small it climbs into and owns every woman's uterus.
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  111. Nonsense, no one cares about 20 year old blog posts that clearly do not represent what he stands for today. The "opposition" will just lie anyway and pandering to their stupid useless spin is counter productive. This was a self inflicted wound by JD and anyone who says they think it was a good idea was not a supporter in the first place.
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  112. Ofir Gal Did you even watch the segment? If you think he is any way defending terrorism then you really were not paying attenton at all. It makes your comment look silly and ignorant or dishonest.
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  113. I started as much more conservative when I was young, As I grew older and more informed I rejected the ideas I once believed. The idea people get more Conservative is not really true, what happens as you get older people are more invested in the status quo as it generally as you have more invested in it. This creates an illusion that people become more conservative when in fact they are just less committed to change as they have more buy in with the current standard. We have been consistently moving left socially and the definitions of what is standard and what is considered right wing has moved with it.
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  114. David, I do not agree. This is about our government being bought and us unilaterally supporting Israel no matter what it does. That is all about the Benjamin's baby and if the GOP is not taking APAC money they are spitting antisemitic tropes themselves. Criticizing the lobbyists buying our government is fine even if the DNC leadership does not think so because they are owned.
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  115. True, but the message is getting to thier otherwise lost audience and that is a good thing. It is better than them pretending the corporist status quo is good.
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  116.  @leknin2021  Don''t ever change that!
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  117. They do owe his voters some support. The 48% of their base who voted for him says they should take him seriously. His policies are universally popular and the only reason he did not win is they DNC cheated for Hillary even though she generated zero excitement only to lose to a monster. These assholes owe Bernie nothing but they do owe the voters some respect. If they actually want to win elections and not just collect money for elections they lose then they are better to listen to the voters and not rich clowns who pour money down their throat.
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  118. lisa houk  You, it is fair by virtue of your evidenced intellect.
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  119.  @fwingebritson  I do not agree at all. What I see you doing is leaving the monolithic entrenched democrats with knives at our back to steal half the vote and ensure republicans eternally win elections. If we wish rip control from the hands of the corporatists it has to be by taking over one of the two parties. The answer is to move away from corporate funding because empathetic corporations do not act altruistically, they work on behalf of a profit motive as is their fiduciary duty and reason for existence. The idea the party can not be taken from the democrats is not well thought out. The base of the party widely agree's with progressive policy and it is name recognition and stasis that is holding the old guard in power . Their ideas are not popular and we have many right leaning democrats in deep blue districts that are all very vulnerable and get ever more so as the progressive message is actually spread widely by crowd funded elected leaders. They are not good at winning elections if we look at their record so the idea they can not be beaten seems poorly thought out to me. When you see corporate candidates copying progressive spin to try to get elected you have to know they are losing ground.
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  120. This has nothig to do with the shot
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  121. He was not a sexual deviant .... wtf are you even talking about?
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  122. Bruce Hauge He is not and has never been "far left". The only people who think he is are establishment shills and right wing freak shows. People change and he is an example of that.
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  123. Tim Maynard I have seen him say he is against racism and am willing to take him at his word on that.  The fact is he still supports policy that would roll us back in the promotion of racism by racists.  There are a great many things real liberals and real libertarians agree on including the drug war.  That being said I do not see some balance some bounds of reason and restrictions of absolute personal freedom as harmful if well thought out.  We do not have to throw out good policy to attack bad policy.   We can reform our terrible drug policy and how it is prosecuted without empowering bigots to lock minorities out of restaurants.  We can reform our foreign policy fiasco with out privatizing education.  It is not an all or nothing situation. I can agree with elements of Rands policy with out supporting others.  His spin that would empower racists has zero value in my mind. 
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  124. grkpektis There is no way he was, is or ever will be as bad as bush. 
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  125. +kittyvalium If you were ever 'progressive' I am sure they do not miss you as your spin is same as right wing drivel on this issue. The problem is many parents can not pay for it and we are hammering an entire generation with brutal debt just so they can get educated.
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  126. Bluetexas2016 Please, ra ra raing for a corporate lap dog is below you.
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  127. Your assertion that most of "atheist scholars" agree he exists is not true.   The data does not support he that exists and the only non religious documents do not validate his existence and none of them are contemporary to his era.
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  128. If you are going to run as the family values candidate then what you have been arrested for should be public knowledge.
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  129. ace8842 In the same same way Mennonites should not apply to be bus drivers, Christians with this viewpoint should not open a business that is open to the public.  It is that simple.
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  130. ace8842 Because in the US Evangelical Christians make the the vast majority of naysayers. There is no good secular reason to deny them equal treatment under the law besides you do not like them and that is a hard argument to make.  Religious zealots of all stripes (not just Christians) are the real problem here and it is that simple.  In the US if we look at the bucket that makes up our zealots most of them are Christian just because of they are the largest group here.  This whole fight is about certain sects of the religious trying to shove their repressive dogma down everyone's throat and deny people who do not need to agree with them equal treatment under the law.  This is a fight you have already lost,  you just don't know it yet. 
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  131. Nope they would still be assholes but they have a right to free speech even if it hurts their business.  What they do not have a right to do is ignore the clause on her business license that says if she serves the public she has to serve the whole public and can not pick and choose.
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  132. ***** It is taught to them and in many parts of 1980's america it would have been the same.   Bigotry of this kind is most predominant among the religious when they can hide behind the assertions they are doing "gods will"   Bad people do bad things, to make good people do bad things you need religion.
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  133. Lol, so true.
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  134. They are just as crazy but keep their wing nuts quiet so they can get votes from the sane and have a chance of forming any goverment. 
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  135. Not remotely valid,  you need to get out of the bubble.
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  136. ***** Not challenging them on their nonsense gives them tacit credibility which they do not deserve.  I am a absolutist believer in freedom of speech and the right of everyone to say what they think.  I do not think that means people get to spout nonsense unchallenged and to do so in the name of neutrality gives them unwarranted credibility.  The way these guys are doing it does not challenge these guests.  The only people I see them attacking outright are their ostensible allies and they do this in the name of being anti politically correct while actually complaining about a disagreement on style and pointless minutia.   Rubin gives credence and credibility to clowns who espouse dishonest spin as a matter of course.  I am all about giving someone rope to hang themselves but you have to be willing to pull that rope taught.   Rubin and all of these guys only bother to do that to the left these days.  I am aware of what these guys I oppose stand for that is why I oppose them.  Watching Rubin nod along to their talking points has no value to me. 
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  137. I would be interested in seeing a non establishment candidate share their spin, they do not have much of a forum anywhere else.
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  138. It was no worse than what the GOP would have given us since Obama has mostly implemented right wing plans anyway.   If we would have listened to the GOP our auto industry would be gone we would have lived through the same double dip that Brittan went through when they chose instead of stimulus.  She most assuredly would have been worse off under the GOP even though hope and change turned out to be a well marketed pipe dream swallowed by big donors. 
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  139. stegokitty 1) It is not a matter of belief because that is not what defines a historical account.  Independent verification is the only thing that makes something historical.  In the case of the flood, there is nothing that confirms a world wide flood let alone the huge list of painful inconsistencies with the story that make it more like a fairy tale than an account to be taken seriously. 2) Flat out false unless you are talking about the time before we had actual archeologists.  Before we used the scientific method we had theologians making wildly incorrect claims about the origin of sites based on the biblical musing and their innate cultural bias and not fact. Almost all of their "discoveries" have since been reclassified as false as we looked at evidence and not some dogmatic gut feeling.  The bible is referenced primarily by a specific sub group of people and only on issues associated with a relatively small area in the middle east.  Your assertion is fact free. 3) Your ignorance of what I know of the bible makes your assessment meaningless. 4) This does not surprise me, I will not be seeing it either for a whole other reason. 5) Respect and fear are not should not be akin to each other in the mind of those who are not craven.  I respect people and institutions who earn it but would NEVER respect anyone I fear.  Making movies is about money for Hollywood and there is no reason to make a movie that would cost more in cash and hassle than it would make. 6) That you are clueless about the nature of the religiosity in the united states is hilarious and not based on reality. The US has a huge and influential group of of dogmatic fundamentalist Christians who attempt to influence policy at every turn and we are counted as among the most conservative of the developed nations because of it. Your claims about bible the bibles veracity are simplistic fiction.  People are free to do what the want to to any story in it.  That it is sacred to you means you should be accurate in the movie you make but means nothing about what others choose to do.
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  140. acurisur You have not, your near singular reference does not validate even one element of your most grandiose claims and says literally nothing about fairy tale events of the old  testament.  It is you who ignores all evidence and even common sense when it does not suit you. In my last post I was simply pointing that out a single roman who mentioned a man named Christ who was executed does not mean he walked on water or rose from the dead.  That you seem to claim a single obscure reference is the same as a Christ appearing is a joke.  Not to mention even it he did you do know clowns who claim they are Christ appear all the time and they are rejected out of hand by even the "faithful" all the time.  That you imagine what you have shared is compelling is pathetic.  I value evidence, you value faith and dogma alone.
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  141. acurisur I value real evidence not the weak ass garbage you imagine should pass for something that is convincing. Those who buy your painful spin do not ask questions or think very hard about anything.  It is you who is so simplistic you ignore important questions and glaring issues with your the bible to hang on to the fact free spin you do.  It does not matter what you feel about my opinion.  Just to be clear it is you who has their head in the sand not me.  Willfully ignorant it is still ignorant.
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  142. +Cleaver2396 Their feelings do not matter as they are based on nonsense concerns. In a woman's bathe room they are all in stalls anyway. For transgender woman who identify men they are using the stalls too as the urinals are not really an option. There is no issue here and if bigots have a problem then they need to get over it. When was the last time you saw someone genitals when in a stall? This is a non issue.
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  143. WrongRealities I am on the side of this debate that actually values respect.  That being said if you show none than you do not deserve mine.  In the perfect world all ideas would have a place in the debate and we would give others views the room to live or die on their own accord.   Unfortunately when someone holds beliefs that openly attack the concept of tolerance then they need to be shouted down for the cancer they are.  Your faith no matter what form it takes should be your own.  But the moment you attempt to force those views onto another then the time for respect is over if one values the promotion tolerance at all.  Tolerance of the intolerant is counter productive in my mind.
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  144. chris hunt Bypassed local law enforcement?  It is a federal issue, do not pay your taxes and see if it is local sheriffs that come and pick you up.   They took his cattle off of federal land where he was grazing them illegally.  They are the ones who showed up with guns where they did not belong.  If you imagine this is going to end well for this freeloader then you have not been paying attention.
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  145. +ayy gmao Your spin is empty nonsense. His logic is those who work hard for a living should enjoy the fruits of their labor. He correctly points out all of the gains of the last 40 years have ended up in the pockets of the rich while those who actually do the work have fell backwards. He argues for a health care system where if you get sick you are not in danger of going bankrupt and business can focus on what they do instead of providing health care like all the other industrialized countries. Saying those who support him are seeking a handout is bullshit not attached to reality. We are sick of being raped by the powers that be and it is time our leaders worked for us and not the highest bidder, Bernie like him or hate him represents that vision. Arguing for the rich to get richer at working peoples expense is idiot talk unless they pay you to say that garbage and then you are shill, that is no better.
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  146. TheDajamster Feel free as I am sure this is not the first time something like this has been said and it will not be the last,  cheers.
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  147. Sjon Blackwell Someone is spinning conjecture not me.  The facts are not on your side.  Stop vaccinating and that number climbs precipitously among those who can least defend themselves the very young and those who can not be protected.  The numbers associated with harm associated with vaccines as a tiny fraction of the numbers you cited and that claim is not conclusive by any recognized study ever. Keeping deadly scourges alive has literally no value and are you are not making much of a case as you point to other health issues.  Alchaol is elective and so are most weight related issues but they affect only you.  As you exercise your imagined rights you put the lives of others in danger and that is a fundamental difference.  This is about your choices hurting others not the least of which are potentially your children and those who come in contact with them. There is no valid reason to reject getting vaccinated in this day and age and to object is consistently built on willful ignorance. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
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  148. Minimum wage is fine for all business.  Any that can only survive with starvation pay for full time workers does not deserve to be in business.  Before you go into hysterics the number of business that will be effected in this way is by all accounts is not large.  In the places that have actually enacted the policy of higher wages none of the doom and gloom predictions of the anti min wage sellouts came true. 
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  149. Ōkami-san They agree with me be the path though not perfect is fundamentally better than the one you would put us on.  The fact we live in a society and recognize tax have been part of them for as long as we have had societies makes us realists not cattle. Cattle go along with what they led to,  I fight to shape policy and what our taxes are spent on.   You and those like you ignore the value the state has provided and would throw the baby out with the bath water over problems we both recognize but would deal with radically differently.  I live in a society perhaps you should leave it and stop mooching off organizations that would not exist without people like me supporting them.  You are a the worst kind of hypocrite who loathes regulation yet works in the field,  who hates taxes but would starve without them.   Hang onto your faith based version of economics but you are right we are never going there.  This has nothing to do with being a sheep but instead comes out of a well developed sense of right and wrong many of your ilk do not have.  
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  150. Ōkami-san When I say ilk I mean political ilk, you belong to a loud radical tiny minority and your own views label you as such. Your views about what society should be is  nothing but a pipe dream while people with a variation of what I think have built everything we have.   I do work with people and believe in freedom and community, I simply do not arbitrarily reject the value of income tax like you do. You can straw man my position all day but it is not remotely valid.  As you babble about force I look at the western societies and see the worst societies ever conceived unless you count any other we ever had.  To me government is a tool that is meant to be in service to all our interests.  That the iteration we have in place now is corrupt is no reason to throw out the baby with the bath water as with a number of changes it can be made to work in a way that serves the prosperity of all.   A tool is neither good or evil and they all have been critical to our massive success as a species including the innovation of centralized government.   That you imagine force goes away if government does is something that does not ring true as it is a pretty honest axiom that power loves a vacuum.
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  151. +Alan C They do not get to pick what things get funded and cut out items that have already been passed into law at their whim. They fund the existing government programs or not and this was the first time we risked default. The "crisis" was ALL, 100% on Cruise and the GOP. If the Obama would have capitulated it would have been akin to paying off kidnappers by sacrificing their signature legislation. The GOP was holding the country hostage to make a political point and Cruse was the face of it. They were trying to circumvent legislation that the last congress needed a super majority to pass by refusing to do their job which had nothing to do with the bill he wanted to crush. The informed know who was to blame and who forced to downgrade of our credit rating in a failed hostage bid.
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  152. Common, you like it really. ;)
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  153. ace8842 No one cares what you think is a sin,  it means precisely nothing to anyone who does not buy your backward dogma.
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  154. ***** This is the first time I have ever seen a person of faith make such a well documented argument.  I am duly impressed and salute your excellent focus,  you seem far more "Christan" or Christlike than most who speak on this subject in public.
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  155. They are both essentially the same.  If we look back at Clinton he is only shiny in comparison with the asshats the book ended him.   He opened a lot of dark doors and bowed to the corporate masters that now run us.  Neither of these two are progressives and we need to ensure we have a candidate who works for us if we do not want the same lackluster disappointing effort we have seen from Obama.
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  156. Shoregrey I am a liberal,  nothing you shared represents what I or anyone else stands for. Your spin is not attached to reality.
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  157. Shoregrey We know what happens when capitalism drives itself.  We get whites only restaurants and bars.  Capitalism is the language of greed and there is no reason to let it run anything,  It is a tool to be harnessed not a god to be worshiped. 
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  158.  Zero Cool  Because miss the point badly .. he endorsed her because she won the primary. He would not be Bernie if he did not act graciously in defeat. The choice was simple and I think he made the right one. Hillary was dishonest cancer but she was still better than trump and if you can not see that even if retrospect it is not clear you are thinking about this subject clearly.
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  159. CommonSense No they do not "maintain some kind of ultra unrealistic moral high ground", the goal was to create a wing of the party who promotes leaders who work for us and not the highest bidder. Their entire focus should be in promoting candidates that are not intrinsically corrupt by virtue of who pays them. The idea that the desire for uncorrupted leadership is unrealistic and pie in the sky is stupid, your painful false equivalency sounds like it was written in an establishment think tank.
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  160. It most certainly should be, this subversion of our legal process of immigration with full knowledge of what you are doing should be obstruction of some kind.
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  161.  @nocturnalrecluse1216  If you say so, I am not the one threatening to murder anyone like a weak terrorist without an argument because we disagree. We lost those seats running "centrist" candidates with a "centrist" leadership. Your spin blaming anyone but your guys is deeply stupid. Mr Hope and change, kept Guantanamo, the bushes tax cuts, no charges on the banks couple with a bailout, continued war and drone strikes, increased oil drilling, ect., etc., etc. He was better than anyone from the GOP because at least he put a nice face on it and did not openly spit on minorities. You go ahead and wave his flag, he lost all those seats for a reason. The establishment dems are largely similar on domestic and foreign policy. Obama kept bush's tax cuts, implemented the GOP health care plan, maintained close military ties with the hard core right wing government of Israel and the Saudi's. Continued the "war on terror" etc, etc., etc. Dems are isolationists? What fucking planet are you on? It is not clear we are talking about the same guys. You bought a load of shit and are hilariously sure about your stance.
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  162. Thats Not a Knife, This is a Knife we have to get cons out of the democrats to effectively compete with them. A watered down version of anything is never as popular as the real deal. The GOP has run psychotically right the answer to stop them is not to chase them but to steak their own populist ground and cut the donors free.
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  163. The establishment democrats should never talk about being able to win as it has been shown they are overt electoral failures. What is tanking is the hillary wing of the party that has lost 1000 seats since 1998. Moderates are not popular and constantly lose elections, reality does not back you up. Stop saying stupid things in public.
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  164. Nonsense, Hillary barley won with a giant head start while Bernie started with almost no name recognition and very little media coverage. The fact is the DNC has NOTHING to stop him this time except dirty tricks. If anyone needs to be strategic it is the bought and sold democrats who cheat to win. Their win at all costs nonsense has to end as they are the problem not Bernie or the energy he brings to a party that is being paid to lose as they spit on their base to make donors happy.
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  165. Because GOP voters are halfwits that vote with their gut based on wedge issues and overt lies they are fed like hate sheep.
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  166. Just because they are not insane does not mean they are not right wing. They care about the fringe talking points the right pushes, I am not sure why you think they are anything but members of the right.
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  167. Short answer, yes.
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  168.  @MegaDavyk  On your suggestion I looked up Pfizer's history. Their issues are around shitty marketing, that is not in play here. People do not rot in jail for that .. Calm down, they are saving lives not taking them in this case. They may be assholes the efficacy of the vaccine and it's protections are undeniable. There numerous other options besides taking Pfizer, no one is going to shoot you in your drive over this drama queen.
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  169.  @MegaDavyk  Nothing I said can be shown to be a lie. Nothing. You are the spokesmen for luddite misinformation peddlers and repeat nonsense like a npc who is sure of himself. I looked into your claims about Pfzier's issues myself. After looking both the spin you derive your opinion from and then the actual charges and law suits settled I am just sharing what I found. Explain why you do not get your vaccination from a different vendor then?
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  170. It is a problem the country over. It kills people in red and blue states. These monsters misreprent all real problems and make up fake ones.
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  171. News flash, they do not care!!!!
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  172. Should Truth that at Trump ... good strategy
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  173. Their "asking questions" about a nonsense claims is a direct attempt to undermine our democracy I am 100% certain that the numbers of ballots effected by her concern would not change the outcome of the election. 100%. Next question.
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  174.  @jayc342009  If she was not then she should not have had Rudy sitting behind her at her bizzare press conference. Rudy has lots of time to go to random press conferences. Got it.
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  175.  @dexterdog5480  Please, the democrat's are paid to be weak on everything. They do not do any nonsense that the right pretends they do and they do barely anything for those who vote for them either. They are no kind brown shirts, the only group that demands blind unreasoning loyalty is the right.
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  176. He did not come close to doing last time, what do you imagine changed?
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  177. He just increased spending, anyone that points to this as trump being reasonable needs to be informed that is not what he did.
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  178.  @ricardocabeza6006  No one likes a spelling/grammar nazi, just saying.
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  179. Is like the voice in your head that tells you that you can fly, before trying it out off the top of a bridge do a couple quick laps around the room.
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  180. Your head is an empty drafty shack. Nothing lives there.
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  181.  @sramoore0075187  It was solely to protect the life of the mother. the spin that they are later term aborting because the woman does not want the baby is entirely fictional, an overt lie.
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  182. Focus Planer I have watched the show for a long time and I do not think he would have attacked anyone over this kind of stuff. He has shown that multiple times and I see your assertion as incorrect based on what I have seen.
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  183. Trump happened because the hope and change Obama promised was a lie. Because after the first 2 years we saw he had no intention of holding those to account who wrecked the economy. He filled his cabinet with Goldmen Sachs lackeys and continued the neo con foreign policy of his overtly war monger predecessor. He turned out to be centrist and with the promise of change broken we saw the crash from a super majority government to Trump over the next 4 cycles. People want change, not neo-liberal change around the edges while not fighting corporate control and bowing to the GOP on everything because they are paid to "change". Give us a candidate who will fight for us and not act like the Washington generals to the Harlem globe trotters of corruption that is the GOP. We are tired of our leaders being paid to be weak against their opposition when they have the actual voters of america behind them to fight for wildly popular polices the donors hate.
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  184. No .. he is not. He is fighting for medicare for all. The enemy of your sometime friend is not always your enemy
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  185. The longer they block this the more people still somehow on the fence will fall off away from Trump.
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  186. Ended her life over overt ignorance, at least we have one less folk singer. So there is that.
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  187. never as long as the Kochs keep paying to spread nonsense.
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  188.  @lasttransmissions  Nothing bigoted about his observations. Just so you know.
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  189.  @lasttransmissions  His statment is a judgment if humanity in general and more specifically our led by the nose identity focused electorate. Their actions and choices irrespective of party are consistantly driven by thier ignorance and empty manufactured narratives. If you do not understand that people in large groups are consistently less than clever you are likely not the sharpest knife in the drawer yourself.
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  190. Then the people from Ontario vote in thier own version of trump ... never doubt the power of a fake populist to win.
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  191. Jammer8x8 He tries to be .. really he is just stupid.
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  192. NooseyGoosey The clowns who are denying someone a cake are not doing so because the client broke a terms or service agreement directly related to public content that reflects on the vendor. The fact is these two things are distinctly different and no one is being persecuted based on nothing, and in the case or you tube and they are being banned no based on who they are but what they say. If you do not want to be banned do not break the TOS.
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  193. If this goes to the top court, bet they will let him off.
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  194. This is a naked attempt to keep him out of the primaries so they can continue to be paid to lose. If you are fine with that so be it but you are supporting cancer and overt corruption. He is challenging them from within they are trying to deny him access because they know they can not win in a stand up fight.
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  195. None of those issues were attached to getting the vaccine. People get cancer, people die, people get blood clots. They always will. That they got a shot is not relevant to these other issues unless you can show that it actually is.
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  196. Total nonsense, the reason they lost is because the establishment democrats are paid losers and hillary spit on half her base. Nothing you said is attached to reality.
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  197. No. Republicans dislike Biden because they have been indocteranted to hate him. They are clueless enough to think he is still a communist. Expecting their votes is silly. The primary was rigged because the media twisted older voters by dishonestly framing the primary and the popularity if each of their policy. Bernie crushed with voters under 45 many I f whom will not vote for Biden as he spits on what they stand for to be a republican light.
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  198. Javier Navarro You have not refuted anything I said. What is pathetic is your painfully weak dismissal of my valid points.
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  199. Javier Navarro When acting as authoritarian they were acting right wing. None of them promoted free speech, free assembly, free press, freedom of movement all hallmarks of the actual left. Their universal appeal to nationalism, military expenditure, the cult power of a single leader are not left wing ideals and they clearly basterdized their original movements in a bid for power. All of their systems were supposed to be egalitarian and classless but they were definitively structured and personal freedom and individual rights were crushed by law in the name of maintaining power for an elite. They may have started as on the left but became a platform for elements that are distinctly defined as right wing if you look at the terms definition. All of their failures sprout from actions the left vocally objects to even today even as the right continues to advocate and employ them. Your ability to understand nuance is missing and you look stupid as you miss the point badly, over and over.
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  200.  @Phone-gz2ig  Blame putin for starting it in the first place. Blaming the invaded for the war is always the providence of aggressors.
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  201. Thats Not a Knife, This is a Knife It is likely he does not like it when someone he thought was progressive spits empty establishment talking points like he was ignorant of what they mean.
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  202. I could not disagree with David more on the idea the democrats have to focus on republicans instead of going after conservative dems. The fact is the democrats will continue to lose unless they shake the GOP light mantle they currently wear. Overt sellouts like Joe represent the reason progesives and liberals stay home on voting day and it is time to push candidates that the base can actually be excited about. I am deeply disappointed in seeing David adopting the talking points of the establishment dems especially as it has veen shown they do not know how to win against even someone as deeply flawed as Trump. Giving their empty nonsense voice has no merit and the democrats have not won by running right but have won by acting progressive.
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  203. Sure, as long as it is Bernie. :P
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  204. lisa houk  It appears projection might be your only move ... you do not appear to be clever with spin that empty and weak not to mention devoid of all substance. Keep on playing stupid and eventually you will be indistinguishable from the actual brain dead.
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  205. They can find work in a different industry.
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  206. Her brain is broken and so is yours if you hear this doctor freak show and believe her overtly stupid and dishonest spin. She should be shouted down as a dangerous idiot every time she opens her mouth on this subject.
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  207. That problem is our government has been for sale to the highest bidder for a long time and regularly ignores what the voters want. Having two bad choices leaves you with bad results.
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  208. You are an idiot for even saying that on behalf of the GOP.
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  209.  @victorbergman9169  No one is even proposing it, forget about it passing.
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  210.  @Swigzable   Becuase virtually no one died of the shot, knowing several people who have is like knowing several double lottery winners.
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  211. Are you paid by DCI? .. The response is a purposely confusing word salad meaning essentially yes.
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  212. ***** I suspect you were never a subscriber .. you are not paying attention if you think they are apologists.
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  213. He was the best of a bad set of options.   He was not what was promised but he is no worse than what we would have seen under the GOP candidates.  I am disappointed in Obama but that does not make me rethink my vote, as someone who lives in district that could go either way any vote but him could have meant the GOP candidate would get in and that would be bad.  No way is Obama good, but on a great many issues that matter he is far better than the loonies at the the top of the ticket on the right.
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  214. Fact free much?
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  215. IamSpacedad It is shocking to everyone including most who through ignorance or apathy support still support anti gay marriage spin.  All it takes is to hear a rant this insane for many otherwise decent but misguided people to change their positions from tacit support to fundamental opposition of the ideas he represents. His nature and entire world view when clearly exposed like this is repugnant to all but a handful of people.  There is little danger of his spin gaining traction because someone like David lets him "share his views" in public while carving his fact free spin apart.  The stuff buddy says in interviews like this form some of the best arguments of why his entire viewpoint belongs on the trash heap of history.
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  216. Yet
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  217. One is science one is is religion ... what is confusing for you about that? 
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  218. We need to get into space and there is nothing stopping us but the will to do so. To say the vision of space travel is unattainable is as forward thinking as those who argued against sending ships to find the orient by sailing west.  We need to ignore you and those like you and press on without your blessing or support.  Unless we do so we are doomed as a species as we can not stay on our tiny ball forever and expect to prosper.
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  219. Eman6881 He did not have full control for the whole year as he just finished appointing a final batch of cronies last year.  He also held what is widely considered a successful Olympics  and he has flexed Russia's muscles in bullying of Ukraine.  I have no doubt a country that has felt second class for a long time appreciated feeling like the bear again ... does not mean the policy was good or that they have had it reported to them accurately.  His popularity claim is a smoke screen, it has the same problem (to a lesser degree) as Kim Jong Un's state reported popularity numbers. Neither are to be trusted.
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  220. Eman6881 I did not say they were brain washed but the actions of Putin over the last year spun correctly with no decent allowed his domestic popularity soar.  This does not require brain washing, just a press that says what the government tells them to.  Russia instigated and facilitated a takeover of a region in a sovereign country where "oversaw" elections that delivered it into their control through a unilateral action. I guess from a Russian nationalist perspective this is a shiny move but to the rest of the world it is nothing but naked pretense to retain control of the area primarily for navel access. Putin is "popular" because active descent against him or his administration is crushed. All news is good news as Goebbels proved when you own the press you can really get the majority on your side.  Russians feel important again and there is some satisfaction with having a strong man in power who does what he wants.  None of this makes his policy sound or his propaganda vindicated.
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  221. Max Rice Do not take the bad feedback very personally,  such is the nature of you tube comments.  When it occurred I thought it was kind of fun because anything that kicks fox propaganda in the teeth can't not be all bad.   Hope you had fun with it and do not worry about what the you tube haters think.
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  222. MacX1985 Which is a sideways way of calling him gay.  When someone says "I dislike your lifestyle" in right wing speak it means "your gay lifestyle".
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  223. MRostendway I trust neither of them but I really do not trust Russia at all and there is little upside in fabricating this from the CIA's perspective.  The government is not controlled by the Clintons but by the same guys who owned both her and the GOP, the GOP still won and they have nothing to whine about.   The idea the fabrication is on this end when it makes eminent sense Russia was involved and that they have tangible celebrated wins makes the concept not remotely far fetched even before confirmation.  I do not trust anyone blindly but I do not need a smoking gun for it to make sense and be logical based on the actions and the power of Russian spin machine or what they have already been willing to do and say to push a false narrative. This hacking is not unlikely or outside the character of Russia did it and that makes more sense then the CIA is blindly defending Clinton. 
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  224. MRostendway The escalation of tension between nuclear powers is over blown and as much of non issue as it has been for the last 60 years.  Mad is no less true now than then and any saber rattling is exactly that and is not the first step to nuclear destruction. Trump by all accounts has been almost fawning over a dictator who wants to be the king of every castle he steps into.  Cozying up to an alt right nationalistic totalitarian dictator is not something anyone who is not a fascist should be comfortable with.     Your spin mirrors that of Russia and wholly mitigates them of any culpability in these events.  It may turn out that they have none but the accusation is certainly out of character with normal diplomatic efforts and strikes me as genuinely possible in the existing climate.  I was surprised to see the expelling of ambassadors especially with the friendly nature of the relationship trump has imminently imposed.  It leads me to believe there is more than they are willing to share and that we are missing part of the story.  It does not make me think Russia's cries of innocence ring true.  I think evidence will come to light,  I will not be surprised when it does.  In the mean time concern about some foreign power messing with our electoral process should be a page 2 story. Page one should be how corporate interests have been manipulating our system for years and have driven policy through their bought and paid for leaders.  You want to talk about concern about manipulation,  that is a the real crime. 
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  225. Nathan Robinson Projection mastered, nice work.
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  226. Nathan Robinson Anyone who labels progressives as such are factually the most ill informed anywhere.  Your assertion appears to be fundamental projection of your own faults based on it.
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  227. Nathan Robinson Yes they were cons in spite of your claim.  They were no more socialist than the democratic republic of Korea is democratic.   You are attempting to apply a redefinition of history commonly used by a fringe element of the right to distance themselves from the ass hats in their ranks. Fascism is was and will be a right wing phenomena and the Nazi's where the poster boys for it.   In other failed spin you share public education is a universally part of the most successful systems in the world.  There is no private system that ranks int the top 20 let alone top 10.  The idea that government in education is part of our problem is the spin of corporate shills who want to make billions at the expense of our children's education or sheep who have bought into their bullshit.   What should I expect from someone that throws out the Nazi's were not cons idiotic spin.  Please note that all neo Nazi's are right wring freak shows, the movement was is and always will be conservative.  
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  228. Nathan Robinson Conservatives and the right wing are synonyms.  The distinction between them is non existent.  The Nazi's were conservative and by extension right wing.  They crushed trade unions, communists and actual socialists, gay people and anyone who opposed them.Their actions were universally conservative and they had that support even here in the US. Nationalistic authoritarians are not progressives but cons.  In any sense of the word?  Please they were worshiped by the cons here and it is telling that neo Nazi's are UNIVERSALLY conservative.  You literally have to change the definition of the term for it not to apply.   Conservatives are universally ill informed on any subject that they care to discuss.  They misrepresent the truth or change entire definitions to suit their narrative as they can not face what they are dead on.  You sit in a camp with self declared racists, homophobes and actual living breathing Nazi's.  Our education faces challenges mostly attached to funding and the fact we have elements on the top working against it for their corporate masters.  A properly funded public system has proven to be the most effective education platform and moving away from that model has never been the answer in any of the places that rank best.   The GOP who represents cons in our country universally serve coreprate agendas and the dems are not much better.  Neither serve their constituency but at least the liberals do not clap their hands and cheer the policy of handing over power the country to multinationals and billionaires.  It is undeniable that cons do.  
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  229. Nathan Robinson You do not have facts .. you misrepresent everyone you disagree with and are basically wallowing a pool of willful or ignorant dishonesty.   Stalin and Hitler were both totalitarians but sat on the opposite spectrum with regard to the right and left. This is what is what is understood by people outside your bubble. You lump totalitarianism in as left wing when it is in fact an entirely different axis. I understand exactly what you think,  it is just fact free with regard to the terms we discuss as you use them incorrectly.  I know why your element has done this as it allows you to paint a giant swath of anyone you disagree with as the other and blame all problems on the state.  When you make this mistake you end up misrepresenting what people like me actually stand for and it creates an artificial divide between us when in fact we may agree on many things.  It makes it impossible to talk to you and I think this is by design.  
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  230. Kev Urbie Our students have a ridiculously high debt ratio after graduation. Most kids parents can not afford to pay for the whole shot and there is no reason to assume she is any different.  It is not the 1960's and the cost of education is so high that many are crippled with debt for years after they graduate.  As you ignore this fact it  becomes questionable if you were ever progressive as your spin shows you to think like a right winger, fact free. 
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  231. Rathelm MC There is value in non stem related educations and the idea it should be predicated on earning potential is part of the failure of our system.   The other potential effect your "solution" would inflict is to further stratify our society where the rich get the good jobs most are relegated to min wage and labor jobs which will continue to decrease in value as we automate even further.  Making our country more like the third world feels like a race to the bottom for me and I do not see it as valuable. There was a time when we enacted universal education for children that people would have advocated the same path as you do saying everyone did not need to learn to read.   There idea if that if the job does not generate money it is useless is only possessed by a specific mindset.  Our biggest issue is we have out sourced many of the jobs that once made our economy a juggernaut and the current policy is slowly bleeding us out as a handful collect all the growth.  The idea we are screwed is false as the issues we face are systemic from the top down and have nothing to do with potential or ability.  People with liberal arts degrees have gone on to do all kinds of things that may not have been attached to their education but was relevant to the experience they got while procuring it.  Our education is what should be our competitive advantage when facing off against the rest of the world.  I see no upside in sacrificing it.
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  232. Rathelm MC Why go to 13, why not stop at 8 and make people pay to get more education after that?   Why 8 .. perhaps stop at grade 5 and get those kids out into labor jobs even earlier.  It seems you imagine half the population is way over educated for their ability already, if that is not true how did you draw your line? On what criteria do you base your standard? The fact is not everyone can even afford trade school and many start their lives in massive debt just to get a reasonable chance of getting a job you can live on.  That is even if their education leads to a lucrative job (which all of them do not).  We should be encouraging people based on merit not how much cash they can borrow or what their parents can give them.  If we want the best and brightest to be educated then we should be paying for it all the way through.  This should be considered an investment in our society and has a much higher pay off economically and socially than the fact we dump money into foreign wars and endless military spending without a thought.  Be it collage or trade schools we should be covering the cost of education for everyone. It should be driven by achievement, ability and desire not how much cash your family has.  
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  233. Nathan Robinson Not true, it will stop young people graduating from post secondary education buried under mountains of debt just to have a chance of getting a good job.  Even 30 years ago this was not the problem it is today.  The debt you have to swallow these days to get an education is harmful and forces everyone that incurs it to start a lot further behind than people of a single generation ago.  To get any job of note these days an education is a must and the idea we can just ignore this issue as we have in the past does not seem to solve anything to me.   That alone is a good reason to correct this. The fact is education should be about ablity and desire not how rich your family is or how much debt you are willing to swallow.  I think that it should be attached to grades to show aptitude and if you qualify money should not be a barrier.  There are good systems in other places that we can look to and copy that mitigate our our massive issues.   A charge toward less education is not the path forward.  
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  234. A solution would be a driver less HOV type lanes where we have a hybrid of manual and automatic driving.  Where everyone drives and then once in position the car takes over and moves them in.  This technology will be of primary benefit on high volume arteries like freeways where human nature and instinct is the root of traffic problems.  Dedicate a lane then two then three to autonomous cars and watch people convert to them. 
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  235. Medical supplies are more expensive in Canada?   Source that please.
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  236. justun chan Yes but we do have contemporary references to him and even if you ignore those we have scores of detailed references about his life from distinct sources.  We are not talking apples and apples here or Alexander's existence would be in doubt too.  Your example is a poor one.
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  237. justun chan There is contemporary evidence for Alexander the Great from a number of sources: Cleitarchus, Callisthenes, Ptolemy, Nearchus, Aristobulus and Onesicritus to name a few.  There is even a a contemporary account of his death. http://www.livius.org/aj-al/alexander/alexander_t41.html.  We have his face on coins and statues for heaven sakes, I honestly can not believe you think the evidence of Alexander is comparable to Jesus. Your analogy is fatally flawed You do know this stuff is pretty easy to look up yourself if you have the will to do so.
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  238. justun chan Not true.  There were writers and documents contemporary to his time.  There are dated coins with his face on them.  We are not relying on the writings of historians 2 centuries after he was dead. A documented report of his death talking about other locals events of the time is preserved in London. I am not sure how you mange to equate these two figures.
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  239. justun chan My argument is not that the writings we have about Jesus are biased but now you mention it, that is a factor. Independent accounts of him are pretty much non existent.  When you accuse people of bias you are better to have a strong basis for it.  In the case of Christ we can assume a great deal of bias being the source of almost all your 1000s of documents are from those have a direct interested in promoting  and validating him real or not.  Bias is a concern for all studies of ancient writings and it is well understood the nature of putting pen to paper means some will always leak through. The real concern here for the case of a real Jesus of Nazareth is a complete lack of independent historical record.  Jesus is practically not mentioned outside religious scripts that are undeniably attempting to aggrandize and promote him.  Most of the texts you are talking about are not worth the paper they are written on as a verification of Jesus existence even if they are interesting. 
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  240. justun chan There was no reason for the heavily pregnant Mary to journey to Bethlehem.  The event that forced them to make the trip is not documented anywhere,  at no point was there ever a proclamation that had people journey to another city to do a census.  This is exactly the kind of thing that we would expect independent verification of.  The whole reason the Christ ended up in Bethlehem in a manger never occurred.   Your wild claims are not attached to reality, they are make a good story but hurt the credibly of the source.  This makes a claim of the bible being a historically accurate text very weak.   The more inaccuracies and unverifiable statements a text makes the more its value decreases as a historical reference.  When you can not verify any of the independently important components that should have some outside references it calls into question the veracity of whole thing as a literal report. Some of the the new testament books supposedly are written by one writer. But when studied it turns out they are actually written in several distinct styles suggesting several authors.  The idea these texts are accurate or that we even know who penned, edited or translated and then re translated them is not a valid.  The new testament is a fascinating incomplete collection of stories that may or may not resemble what the originals looked like.  The original manuscripts were edited out of existence are not fully represented by the modern text that has been deliberately modified to suit a political needs of churches leaders perpetuating their bias.  The idea there is anything historical about them should be in grave question. 
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  241. You are correct we have problems in out school system that are not addressed by privatizing for someones profit only so that faith based nonsense can be taught as fact.  The best most effective systems in the world are public, instead of throwing our money at a group who values profit over education we need to reform our public schools to do a better job.  It is little wonder there is no political will to do this,  the failure of our schools is in the interest of the parties who buy our leaders.
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  242. whyamimrpink78 None of the most successful systems in the world private based. All of them are public.  That stat alone is very telling.  There are a few reasons the right is pushing for private schools.  The first is their curriculum can be fact free and is not tied to any kind of national or international standard.  This allows them  to teach whatever they want to valid or not.  The second and more  important is money, the same way our prison system has been privatized (to our detriment) they have turned their eyes to education making billions on it too.  To that end our school system has been consistently attacked and its finances drained off to serve partisan interests and tax cuts.  There is no justification for the selling of out school system to the highest bidder if oyu are not a shill for the school lobby or you want to see your child is taught nonsense instead of science on the tax payers dime. Either way do not expect much sympathy from those who value the idea of reforming our education system to bring it line with other 1st world players.  There are better options than vouchers and with the proper focus and funding we could easily do much better.  We have examples in this very story how voucher schools are failing their students and outside your rhetoric there is no reason to think the solution lies in handing over our children education to the likes of these greedy clowns.  If you want to pay for your child to be taught nonsense that is your business but do not expect the state to pick up the tab.
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  243. whyamimrpink78 You say they are better but no large scale implementation of them backs you up.  The best systems are public and have strong teachers unions, to say otherwise is to deny reality. Your views on the success of this system are entirely faith based and I would prefer to base our system on the best example there is and not what you hope will happen. There is nothing to support the private systems would be better. They would certainly be more expensive as we would have to cover the profit and not just running the schools.  I say we take the extra money you propose we dump down some corporations throat and spend it on the children's education instead.  We have good models to draw from it is high time we start enacting some changes to bring our public system in line with the good ones.
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  244. Stupid question .. perhaps we should ban knives from people so dumb that they ask it.
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  245. ace8842 They can open a business if they want but if they can not serve everyone because of a personal choice then that is on them.  We know what people like you do when we do not have rules protecting minorities. We put them in place because of there is a segment who treasures who will treat others as a lessor citizen.  Denying anyone a service that open to the public with a retail business license is not a right anyone has because we know what bigots do when the have it.  It is not bigoted to hold everyone to the same standard and I am not singling out christens or any other group by this standard.  If you can not serve all of the public because of your personal bigotry driven by your faith or not then it is incumbent on that person to find a line of work that suits them.  If you can't do the job for everyone then it is time for you look at doing something else.   Perhaps you should  avoid wowing at me when you openly defend naked and unvarnished actual bigotry you just happen to agree with. 
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  246. ace8842 Well you are wrong and the judgement of an openly admitted bigot about my bigotry is not very compelling. I understand enough about faith that I know it should not be applied to anyone but else but those that have it.  Bigotry is not something you just do on Sunday either but that does not make it laudable.  I will actually fight for your right to believe any stupid thing you want but will fight just as hard to see you never shove it down anyone else`s throat.  That you are a 24-7 bigot does not mean make you special or immune to rules that ensure all minorities are not treated as a second class citizen in their country.   Your rights end at the tip of your finger and everyone else`s nose.  There is one set of rules for everyone and you are not remotely special.
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  247. Except it would turn into chaos or control would be scooped up by another entity utilizing one type of coercion or another.   People would end up lining up behind factions that controlled the food or water or security or any number of needs that people rely on the society for access. The idea that goverment is the problem is not valid,  the idea the goverment serves someone else instead of it's citizens is.   Large scale societies can not  exist with the citizens freedom intact if we enact your vision.
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  248. PixelDansIronFist Of course it is, who enforces the "rules" in your system if not some body drawn from the population?  What differentiates them from a state if they enforce law?
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  249. Janos Valentine I am saying that it is impractical and prefer to base my entire system on ideas that have some chance of being enacted in a positive way   I am a realist and the list of things wrong with your system is long.  I reject your primary premise that government in itself is harmful as I see it as simply a tool that can be harnessed for the benefit of all or the enrichment of a few.   You define force as taxation,  others may define it as someone stopping them from pumping toxic waste deep in the earth.   Any rule that is made for the good of all will require force to enforce it.  I do not see any difference at all between what you propose and what we have except you do not have taxes and somehow expect massive infrastructure development for all out of thin air.  Your vision has not been "allowed to survive" as it is a fantasy in the same way the tooth fairy is never given a fair chance to speak.  The entire thing is a pipe dream not attached to reality.  Please know if it was as  successful as you imagine it would be then there would already be examples of it flourishing and both of us know they do not and have not existed in any enviable form.
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  250. JustCause:Reason You are the only one who brought up racism even though this whole mess surely stinks of it.  But the fact they are trying to promote slaves to workers in an educational text should be enough for all sane people to object. 
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  251. PresBarack I would argue he only acts a foil so his distastefully dishonest guests can spit out their views.   I find what he does of no value.  If you could not find these clowns rambling on to others you did not look.
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  252. Or perhaps move to one of the Scandinavian countries that are doing better by being more progressive.
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  253. Blue Cranes I give you 10 to 1 odds I pay more taxes than you mouth breather.   We have been "subsidizing" a lot of things for a long time.  Stop throwing Obama into it, it makes you look foolish.
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  254. You do not have to take anything for granted to reject this fact free morons spin about Ebola.  As you describe anything as far left in defense of this mindless know nothing you mark your self as a fringe dweller not connected with reality in any way.
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  255. News flash, stegokitty -- They are not historical accounts especially when you talk about events like Noah's flood.   The bible saying it is true is not enough to validate the story to anyone but those who reject reality and replace it bronze age nonsense. The movie about Mohamed is not made as it would cause more trouble than it would be worth for those who invest in making movies as a business.  It has nothing to do with respect for Muslims and everything to do with costs and hassle vs payoff for making it.   If you do not like the idea of this movie not mirroring the bible closely enough vote with your wallet and do not see it. Please know that will change nothing though as plenty of people in the bible centric US will still go.
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  256. stegokitty You calling something a straw man does not makes it so.  You called the bible a historical accurate document and the only way to do that independently verify the contents.  To say otherwise is fact free.  You asserted it was my "disbelief" that drives me and not the fact very little of it is independently verified.  You asserting they are true is meaningless drivel that has no value except to someone who shares your delusion and willful ignorance. When I say independent I mean sources that are not the bible, you can not use the bible to verify itself.  The existence of Caesar is verified by multiple sources and this spin does not validate your argument but does support mine.  Addtionally Plato has been verifed as a real man by several independent sources and the survival of his writings, again this weak argument fails for the same reason as the last one.  It would cause more far hassle than it would make money and that is why they would not green light it.  It is simply not worth it.  That we have a legal separation of church and state built into our constitution is the only reason the powerful church lobby has not extended their reach deeper than they have.  Even as the bulk of the western world has legalized gay marriage we languish behind precisely because of this backward movement. That you imagine the US is progressive in the ranks of the 1st world marks you as clueless on the subject. You are the only moron in this conversion and you would be better to keep to your ingmorant bubble if you do not want to be called out on your pathetic rantings.   I have forgotten more on every subject covered so far than you will ever know.  Your assertions about archeologists are as fact free as the rest of your post.  The bible is an interesting set of documents but it takes raw unvarnished faith to call it historically accurate when much of it can not be verified. Go ahead and leave, nice of you to wrap up on a consistent note and be wrong about me yet again.
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  257. acurisur None of that validates any of the bibles most outrageous claims or makes it a work of history.  Jesus may very well have been a real man but to imagine that validates a story as outrageous as the great flood or the tower of bable or any one of a hundred others is a giant leap not validated by that text.
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  258. WrongRealities I am respectful of anyone's beliefs as long as they are not trying to shove them down others throats and attempting to silence those who do not agree with them.  APAC complaining about tone is a joke as their level of respect they put on the stage is lower than zero, it is a forum to say all manner of stupid things.  The argument you make would make have much more weight if the people they let speak and have this large forum understood the meaning of the word respect.
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  259. Nationwide, more than 22,000 ranchers graze their cattle on public lands paying the fees Bundy refuses to pay.  He is not the "last man standing" as you assert.   If you insist on telling the "whole story" your indigence might be more valid if that story was true.  I would say the fees were as just as the man who enacted them, Ronald Reagan.
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  260. chris hunt You are going to have to correlate those "lost ranchers" with the BLM actions a little more closely than that for your spin to have any weight.  There is a record of misdirection on this story and proclamations no longer are excepted at fact value.  Color me unconvinced that a 30+ year old executive order is the reason these ranchers are now closing. As for Bundy, it is part of the BLM's mandate to collect grazing fees from this deadbeat and no one can accuse them of not being patient in doing so. 
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  261. Sjon Blackwell It is you who is attached to myths.  The only reason things like small pox and polio are an almost non existent threat is because of vaccinations.   The bullshit you share is fact free, there has never been 50% mercury and when you stay stupid clueless things in public expect to be rejected as a rational voice on the issue.  It is not listed because vaccines no longer have ANY mercury in them and even when they did it was only a tiny trace amount that has never been shown to cause harm as you get the same quantities from everyday goods.  Get up to speed your talking points are way out of date.
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  262. Sjon Blackwell People are literally dying and horrible disease is kept alive by your spin.  This is not rhetoric but fact.
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  263. Calvin21X Because closing the borders in this day and age is not feasible and you have to be out of touch with reality just to suggest it.  Not to mention we already have the disease here, people like you kept them  alive and we still expose people to the pathogens even with the border closed.   I literally have no problem "forcing" needles on people if it is going to save lives and relegate deadly diseases to history.  You are the sheep as you buy into anti vax nonsense of zero value, anti science clowns like you are the problem. 
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  264. Calvin21X That is not what I am for you dim wit.  Your dramatic bullshit has nothing to do with what is being proposed. There is no reason not to get immunized.   You protest too much sparky and way are over the top. Your natural homicidal nature will get you in trouble some day.
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  265. Ōkami-san Jobs are not created by tax cuts or low wages they are created by demand.  As long as we have to support the wages these companies elect to pay with food stamps we are well within our right to mandate they do not pay a min wage that ensures full time workers are not living below the poverty line.  You can argue we need slave labor to keep things cheap all day long but locations within our country that have a higher min wage do not show this prediction to be true. You are a barrel of right wing talking points none of them based on fact.  People do no want to enact your right wing libertarin vision because it would be nightmare and would serve no one but those in power.  Your freedom is the freedom to drink poison water or work at slave wages.   Freedom to many equality for all while ensuring everyone has an equal chance at success not promoting the tyranny of the strong over the weak as you do.  
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  266. Joe Vullion Republicans will not go on any of their shows.  That slows down the options for msnbc hosts.
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  267. Hard to say .. calling it a tie
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  268. Your caps lock is on, it makes you look like you are yelling.  That makes you look crazy, just saying.
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  269. Andrew Hall There is no contradiction.
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  270. magorkel You are not evening trying to make an argument and yelling bullshit is not the slam dunk you imagine it is.  Being empty and ignorant is par for the course for someone with your spin but you are just projecting. There is a reason the fundamentalist self declared sheep are universally gop supporters and anti liberal.
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  271. Dey Cross We completely concur.
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  272. The sooner this moron is off the public stage the better.
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  273. Jammer8x8 It is wholly unreasonable in a free society. Making anyone a second class citizen in our society because they need aid is wholly destructive and anti freedom. If they can do this to the poor then government employees are next, any one getting money from the government. No one should told what they can do with what money they have no matter where they got it. To do anything else is a path to tyranny and makes people who often through no fault of their own into second class citizens subject to special law. That many of the poor who require this assistance actually work full time makes this requirement wholly unreasonable.
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  274. ***** I could not agree with you more.  There is  whole group of people who hates taxes but  when they hear a group does not pay them they think "damn we  need to make those people even poorer."  They honestly think the poor have too much and is it the richest (of which I imagine they think they are among) who need more.   The real issue is most of these morons incorrectly guess what group they belong to most of the time. The fail to understand how the polices their rhetoric support drives wealth inequality actually hurting them personally.  
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  275. In Canada,  the cons have these people in their ranks but if they talk in public about issues like this they lose elections big. They hide their extremists because if they do not they get clobbered.
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  276. A Muslim baker should be forced to make that cake and likely would.  The black baker is compelled to make a cake for the KKK too, not that they would ever ask them to.  We already understand what happens when business's are free to pick and choose who gets served.  The rules in were put in place to right a real wrong and they are simple and apply to everyone.  If you get a business license that serves the public you are compelled by it to serve everyone.   This sets up a state of equity among all consumers and stops any given majority from denying service to a smaller group.  If one can not fulfill the terms of their business license and serve everyone for any reason they are effectively deciding they should not be running a public establishment. Plenty of Christians do not agree with you and that number is growing every single day.  These people should not be running a business in the same way a Mennonite should not be applying to drive a bus.
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  277. Andrew Hall You are the kind of person who would say "this sounds like blackmail to me. serve the blacks or close your business."  Because they have a public business license they are legally obligated to server everyone, if one can not fulfill that requirement because of their faith they should not open a business that serves the public.  It is their choice.
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  278. TheLoremasterNojah Ya .. you just sit there and wait for that happen. Just like everyone like you did for the last 2000 years ..
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  279. Nothing but you might want to ask him is opinion on particle physics while you are at it, likely has the same depth and value.
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  280. One business of a bigot costs us nothing, it is her choice.  The free market will step in and a sensible cake shop will open to fill in the space fast don't you worry about the jobs.
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  281. So you advocate we give them nothing ...
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  282.  @coolbuddyshivam  Because it is about her body and her health .. men have no say because they are cheap or not. Men's enslavement? That is pretty fucking stupid and if you can't keep your dick in your pants or wrapped up I have no sympathy for you. No one gets to pick health care decisions for others, that is the standard nothing else.
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  283. If you figure it out the last couple hiccups with the process of getting there .. am with ya.
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  284. This is the kind of guy that would turned away for a Walmart greeters job. That he ever represented anyone speaks to a strange place somewhere in he US where a plurality of voters see his vacant gape and slack open jaw as that of a leader.
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  285.  @michaelmartinez3674  nice!
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  286. Sure why would they? The party of "law and order" what a joke.
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  287. Bet this asshole was "pro life" too, he aborted his wife in the 93rd trimester of her life.
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  288.  @nocturnalrecluse1216  Well I am concerned you are finding enemies among those you agree with largely and may require real and immediate mental help. The fact is the side you cheer for has lost over 1000 seats at the state and federal level since our big win in 2008 when Obama pretended to want change. The idea you are any kind of purist as you support candidates who are different than Trump socially but are largely similar economically and on foreign policy seems a hard pill to swallow. Your death stuff is silly and scares me in the same way a kitten waving his paw around does, not at all.
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  289. Ian Camarillo what? How is he doing that?
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  290. His guess is pulled right out of his ass and has all validity of any unsupported statement that does not bear scrutiny. The idea more people are killed by "super bugs" than saved with the vast dirth of conventional medicine has no basis and is both a empty and dangerous musing that undermines trust in the medical system to no gain. This is from an asshole that was just put in a medically induced coma to deal with addiction issues, his mistrust of medicine seems oddly timed given it just saved his life.
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  291. shr00mhead Anyone that has a business licence agrees to serve all citizens and can not refuse service based on race, religion or sexual persuasion because of your bigotry. PRIVATE business's that serve the PUBLIC have rules they have to follow. We have determined that the right of access to goods and services for all citizens is more important than a vendors right to be an bigoted asshole.
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  292. shr00mhead no one should care, but they prove that your claims about business having the right to not serve anyone they choose are nonsensese.
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  293. And I do not rate his chances high .. the moment he joins he begins to drop. He knows this and it is holding him from jumping in.
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  294. Why not? What is it about party affiliation that you think serves the voters. He should be free to be independent as long as he appeals to the voters and that is what matters. I see no downside with they way things work now and I need to understand why you and those like you think it is important he join. What gives the republicans an advantage is the DNC cheating to get their chosen establishment pre crowned candidates to win. What will actually split the vote is if the DNC decides to spit on half their base again to push a candidate that is owned and just more of the same failure that has seen t he GOP win election after election. The DNC needs to get up to speed and serve it's base or become irrelevant. As long as they choose to ignore half their voters and push the lessor of two evils spin they will continue to lose over and over and deserve it. The corruption of our "liberal" leaders will no longer be ignored.
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  295. Thats Not a Knife, This is a Knife On the issues people really care about attached to the economy, jobs, trade and deregulation it is hard to tell them apart and that is why they lose. The wedge issues are losing power in the face of economic reality for many.
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  296. No one cares what these overblown Karen's are offended about. The right is a group fragile snowflakes who want everyone to conform to their narrow repressive demands.
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  297. Your caps lock is on and it makes you look like your are yelling, this makes you look crazy, just letting you know.
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  298. Have seen numerous people in the thread say they felt something was off about her, something that caused them to reserve trust. I have always felt the same thing but could never put my finger on why. I think it is some variation on what you are saying combined with a record that does not add up to the picture first painted. She is no Bernie and never was.
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  299.  @rnswann6324  Hard to put voice to but I get exactly what you mean. Kinda happy it is not just in my head.
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  300. Nice putting National Rational on top. I put him and Kyle close.
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  301.  @trietphan3196  If you have not check him out. His voice is pretty different than the standard.
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  302.  @eshqa  We agree ..
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  303. Confidence in your ignorance is a step worse than just the typically cluelessness.
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  304.  @sofiabertolli8389  You asserting he does not care about reproductive rights barbecue he is not a woman is empty, you asserting he does not worry about normalization of white nationalism because he is white is a straw man, your asserting he does not worry about refusal of social programs is demonstrably incorrect. He has fought harder than you have to change things for the better in every issue you care about. He has done far more than you have to advance policy you list. He simply does not see the democrats under Biden's leadership as much better on any other those issues and demands Biden earn his vote instead of just expecting it. Biden voted for the Hyde amendment, supported segregation of schooling and opposed busing, promised to cut social security and medicare, how the hell is Biden your champion outside the fact he is better than the man baby Trump? I plan to vote for Biden as a better option but pretending you are champion of those programs as you mindlessly vote for a clown who is clearly not because he is better than the other asshole makes sense to me but is not the high minded spin you pretend it is. Shaming anyone to vote is always a fail, it was a fail when hillary tried to do it and it is a fail when you do it too. It failed spin does nothing but drive allies away. You are voting for Biden on principle, Kyle is voting on principle too, just a different one.
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  305. 19:50
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  306.  @kingrhino11  Still a bad idea for a government to act as a booster for another regime or attempt to condemn person political choices.
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  307.  @animesucks4687  Totally stupid as you stand beside actual fucking nazi's. You are a projection machine and literally straw man the left in your idiot post .. you so stupid it hurts.
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  308. Sue Chapman You admit it at least, your spin is shallow. Your judgment is in question as you value this as an important attribute when making your choice of news and information media.
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  309. For the most part they have .. they have also pointed out some deeply problematic things she has said and done lately. There is only one place you can go that is all Tulsi all the time and they have lost all cred.
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  310.  @bruxerizmo  Tulsi is all but done and no one except a few weirdo's say any different. As long as Bernie is in the race there is plenty of reason to highlight how Warren Is worse in almost every single way even if she is no Hillary. On Tulsi I do not care about the Hindu stuff but her (and Warrens) BDS stance suck and her praise for the war on terror undermines any claim to be anti war. She has plenty of issues and some that are new. Recently Tulsi allowed Rubin to frame the democrats as pro open borders and nodded to his talking points. She has real issues but that is ok because like I said she is done.
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  311. Shocking they put this mouth breather out as a rep on TV. It speaks to exactly the caliber of people that surrounded Moore.
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  312. Jammy James Nazism are the banner bearers of fascism, anyone that thinks nazi's were not fascist have been misinformed by partisan spin in defense of fascism.
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  313. Nonquack Your careful use of words does nothing but promote stasis and undermines valid concerns of citizens because you disdain their knowledge of what constituents an assault rifle when in fact they just want to see less of children shot using tools that not used for hunting and are modified versions of those designed for war.
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  314. Free speech absolutism is a liberal principle and the liberals who would ban speech get called regressive (the antonym of progressive) because they act like cons. Conservatives historically have not valued any speech but their own.
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  315.  @locutusdborg126  They are quitting shitty low paying jobs. Not nurse/cop jobs.
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  316.  @luchi.el.zorrito  A tiny handful. A smaller group by the day.
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  317.  @ryankeeping2761  Perhaps do not say overtly stupid and fact free things as facts. That is not a very big ask.
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  318. Devil_Travels It is only dysfunctional because the democrats have spinelessly abdicated their roll as supporting the working class leaving two corporate parties who achieve nothing but tax cuts, undeclared wars and letting our infrastructure crumble. The way to fix congress is to tear one of the two parties form the hands of the sellouts who now run it and are paid to lose.
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  319. Interesting you did not contradict anything he said with all those empty assertions and adjominums. If you think he is wrong make an argument showing how he is wrong and cut the partisan sophistry.
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  320.  @DanA-nl5uo  Shrug, I have seen people with your spin say otherwise. I personally agree with you and think she would make a fantastic VP. Even if not picked she is not going away. If this amounts to nothing and she heads back to congress she will try again later with more exposure and experience under her belt. She is on the right side or history.
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  321. Squashed8Ball  The polls were out even if what you said was true. A couple days before the election she had a strong lead and the issue is their likely voter models are off and based on a traditional standards. They are no longer as reliable and won't be until they address holes in their formula.
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  322. LabTech Your entire spin is nonsense. He stole nothing from Kyle and you are the only clown saying he did. It is pretty clear you never supported the group in the first place and your entire tirade is empty garbage. He fired an employee who misused his power (even if it was not in the capacity of a TYT leader) and misappropriated company funds not based on the allegation. You criticism is as dishonest as your entire spin, He has done nothing that warrants your vitriol unless you oppose the progressive ideals he stands for or are too hung up on silly garbage to be honest.
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  323. LabTech Based on the evidence at hand that is what I believe. Your assertion to the contrary is based on empty bullshit and is more likely attached to you not liking what he stands for today. The claim they are pawns of anyone is another baseless claim just like your assertion of my ignorance on the subject. It is clear I know more about this subject than you do because if your spin was remotely true I would be shouting it for all to hear. Only trolls who do not care this garbage is wrong and the overtly ignorant spit the nonsense you do. I am in the position I do not have to make up bullshit reasons when I criticize those I oppose, it says a great deal about you that you do so either out of ignorance or dishonesty.
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  324. My Condolences ...
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  325. mark navarro What is extreme is the right wing position on abortion. We have a very measured approach to abortion and strong ethics based laws around it. Pretending we do not or that anyone on the left supports "open borders" is total nonsense that is not attached to reality. You use stupid talking points.
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  326. All Kyle said he won't vote for Biden unless he concedes on at least some of his issues. The left is betrayed by the DNC who has their own version of Trump in power and Biden is better in every way t hat matters but spits on people like Kyle and steps on what he stands for as useless. Why would Kyle blindly support such a man against his principle? I personally will vote Biden because hate trump more, but will not shame anyone that can not bring themselves to do so as Biden is cancer too.
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  327. Coulter I said it was a digestible list of reasons. All current peer review crush the bell curve, please cite evidence to the contrary. Use google and quit being so lazy, it works.
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  328.  @MegaDavyk  This is stupid. Just saying.
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  329.  @MegaDavyk  Mostly for marketing issues, they are no worse on damage claims than most other vendors. Every large pharmaceutical producer will have issues with some of their products. On the net I would ague their products offer more good than bad even if their business procedures for marketing products is consistently sketchy. That is not the an issue in this case as this one sells itself. In this case if you dislike the vendor so badly choose another that does not offend you so. No one is saying you need to bow down at the alter of pfizer.
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  330. These monsters need to be treated as the dangerous regressive barbarians they are.
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  331. No one is going to jail for promoting vaccines. No one is going to pay out a nickel to these Facebook trained immunolgisits.
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  332. The Sparkle Zone I am not sure anyone but a handful of people actually cares, the mindless over the top SJW crowd is not as big as their loudness of the voice indicates. I suspect most of those with buddies spin are trolls who never supported JD anyway.
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  333. OAN is not credible to anyone but the dupes who watch that brand of hideous infotainment.
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  334.  @LUCKO2022  The amount increases we dumped into the last military budget alone is enough to pay for free college for all. Funny we saw no one with your spin asking how we were going to pay for another massive increases to the military.
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  335.  @AnonymousPersonAP  Enslavement? No one is enslaved here besides those forced back to work during a pandemic because of our government chooses only to support the rich.
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  336. You are part of a fact free minority yourself. Our financial issues are not driven by our social programs which far from being communist are actually the weakest in the western world. You are mouthing platitudes from think tanks who are working to speed up the pace of the growth of income inequality to the benefit of a very few at great cost to our society.
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  337. She should speak up more and get.involved a little more. Could you ask her to next time you speak?
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  338.  @ricardocabeza6006  Was just thinking the same thing about you. Pompeo is the stain that is claiming a win in an election Trump by no standard won. That is not exactly by the book.
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  339. Hard not to hear Kripke every time this guy talks.
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  340.  @alexcat6480  of course they are viewed with suspicion as these clowns are a mess. these morons pretend they represent strait people and not just conformity to an third world standard. We are not laughing at them because they are virgins but because they losers who buy into a stupid wedge issue and narritive which is a tacit attack on others sexuality or at least a mockery of what pride is to represent.
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  341.  @machida58  In general I feel bad for them but it is all on them. No one owes you that kind of attention and if you can not garner it that is all on you. Anyone expecting a sex trophy for participation is doomed to be disappointed. Whining on their behalf has the same smell of a full diaper that anyone complaining about not having sex as an outside problem does.
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  342. Would not care if he did the work or not if cleaning up shit out of kennel was the bulk of his responsibility. The fact is the job he has is much more important is the crux of the issue.
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  343. Give to the candidates directly, they had no hand in this!
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  344. Tornado1994 Centrists are just 90 republican's and voting for them is a down payment on the same corruption and failure endemic from all establishment policy for the last 30 years. The days of the "centrist" are coming to an end no matter how hard the corporate media promotes them, people of sick of not having choices.
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  345. Kaiser Soymilk The only way I see the democrats failing again is if they make the exact same mistakes but even so they do not have the head start they did last time. A Bernie style candidate should have little problem pulling apart a corporatist as people are already hip to the message and eager to fight the sellouts from the very beginning of the primary. The idea these establishment clowns are good a winning elections is betrayed by their record, I think we agree they are their own worst enemy.
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  346. Never has.
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  347.  Wolfie Wolf  I vote for Biden because he is who I choose to oppose. I like neither.
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  348.  @doreenchindezwa6319  I call him a monster, that he was a psychotic preacher before is just more evidence the man was a goof and menace no matter his skin tone.
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  349. See ya do not let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.
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  350. Thats Not a Knife, This is a Knife they do. Historic health care reform was in the form of the Republican health care plan and the abandonment of liberal ideas. Joe mansion might as well be a Republican if you look at what he supports. Hillary lost by being gop light and was correctly tarred with their innate failure of being owned by her donors. The days of listening to conservitive dems when their ideas are not popular and do not win elections have to end. Mansion supports several of trumps picks when they were all either clueless clowns or deeply flawed psycotic come. Mansion is a poster boy for corruption and support for his ilk has to end.
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  351.  @peterbills4129  Which is why it is fair to kick it back to the DOJ. Does beg the question: Why would they let with him get away with everything?
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  352.  @peterbills4129  He has clearly committed numerous crimes. If you or I did a fraction of what we have video and public evidence for on Trump, we would be burred neck deep in an ant hill. There is something more too this, not nailing him on basic issues. There is no normal reason to ignore criminal offense after criminal offence. They are all building on one another, all encouraged by his last round of special treatment. The idea Trump has done nothing wrong is the providence of cultists and those who have willfully blinded themselves with feelings or curated identity driven ignorance. The list of often shocking legal issues Trump has is so long that he is going to go down in history as breaking some kind of record.
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  353. There is no bottom to the stupid of a block of GOP voters. Seems like 54% of them.
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  354. he said nothing about 20% ownership and was talking about employee board membership
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  355. Guy does not know his job as a leader would not effect the supply chain ... he is a like a clown applying as a dog catcher because he wants to drive a police car.
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  356. The left is finally asserting itself after a decades of the right charging into the fringes where they are literally electing guys who support Nazi's.
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  357. Time to stop going to your backward church or supporting them in anyway ... they should also probably lose their tax free status.
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  358. Elected democrat always served cons.
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  359. 4.5 billion doses of the vaccine has been issued. The data is does not support her stupid claims
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  360.  Jody Owen  Health regulations are rarely optional, anywhere. She made a terrible decision, that is the problem here.
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  361.  @Slutuppnu  I am inclined to agree.
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  362. Lemmingish ...
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  363.  @lasttransmissions  I would normally eschew lumping a large group of people into generic categorizations. When it comes to trump supporters calling them out for being dupes is apt. These NPC's may not be morons but when they blindly back a monster that has proved he would step over their families bodies for a dollar the distinction is not much of a difference. I recognize a rabid Hillary backer as messed up too but they do not represent much of the party. Psycho trump support is the standard
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  364. Are there any gay GOP voters left? They need to give up that abusive relationship if they still are, it is like living with someone that beats you while you keep apologizing for them.
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  365. Not doing so will bankrupt us. We will all have slight increases in taxes that for almost everyone will be less than they pay in a private tax to insurance companies now. You are welcome.
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  366.  @iamposterseven  Get better talking points then. This one is really soft.
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  367.  @iamposterseven  People already have. Your asserted ignorance does not change that fact. I called your spin soft because it is discredited garbage. Repeating factuly disconnected talking points only highlights your nature, ignorant or dishonest. Every other first world nation does it, why not us?
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  368.  @mikepeterson7495  I once really liked him, he is charismatic and genuinely intersting. But he has been captured by his audience and has been forced away from his roots. All grifting is achieved by appealing to what the target audience whats to hear. In the case of Russel'sjourney I watched him walk away from controversial but intersting ideas to espouse the lowest, easiest most profitable demonstrator. Much of what he says is based on actual truths but as of late is always strangely framed to appeal to his new target audience that in no way was ever me. I am more disappointed than anything. As I stated before it does not take a genius to share the talking points and views he does. It takes an ability to read your audience's comments and feed back.
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  369. I have a beer now and then because I like them, I do not consider it drinking alone any more then when I have a glass of water or a soda.
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  370. The whole trans of trans people getting too much consideration is empty identity garbage. Pretending the issue is of limiting trans rights is imperative is a very hard argument to make. Especially based on hypotheticals that are missing all context. It is not the "left" who going insane about trans concerns. All the raging about the non issues of trans bathrooms and trans sports and trans in prisons is on the right is a distraction to ignore actual real problems that have material effect on peoples lives.
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  371. Jammer8x8 Ask twitter .. I do not think he should be banned but then I like when shills and morons are so brazen that they proudly spit their stupid garbage in public. It makes it much easier to pick out the low functioning who make up his fans.
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  372. M. Fink Those who make cakes can not do this with a TOS the same way. Twitters TOS is focused on ensuring standard quality of user submissions onto the site and has nothing to do with personal conduct or race. There is no analog to a TOS agreement in a the cake buying transaction as buying a cake takes no public input from the consumer. Terms and service agreements that limit your rights because you are gay or black or white are illegal under current law after the civil rights act. Your right to say predefined things you agreed not to when you signed up for the service is not.
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  373. There is a huge difference. One is ban is based on choices you make and rules you decide to ignore and one is persecuting you based on who you are. One is illegal and one is not. That you equate these two distinct cases means you do not understand why he was banned and that he earned it with what he said not who he is. You have no right to use their service if that use breaks the TOS and cake bakers can not deny service based on sexual orientation. If we change the Civil rights act to protect being a dishonest dumb ass then they will not longer be able to ban him.
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  374. M Fink I would argue they should not be able to do so because the attributes being jugged do not effect the business and is basically bigotry imposed. That being said I would guess that doing so would not be illegal even if it was stupid as it would randomly deny them customers and they could not know if the TOS was broken or the client was honest about it. They could likely try to do this in a broken and unenforceable way even as it is a bad idea.
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  375. M. Fink That they argue in favor of promoting overt bigotry over the right of free commerce is an old and failed argument that has no merit. Twitter can not kick people for whatever they want and have a clear terms of service you have to break after signing it before they ban you. The laws preventing them from denying service to black people (extended to gay people) are in place because it was not long ago there were plenty of business's that only served whites and the market did not correct it. In many places there is no reason to think being a bigot would hurt them today either. Promoting the idea the strong should be able to marginalize the weak or that the right to be a bigot is more important to our society than the right to equal access to goods and services for all citizens is an old argument the right correctly lost a long time ago. We do agree that twitter should not be banning the "crowders", but that does not mean a ban by twitter is the same thing as a bakers desire to ban gay customers. One ban is practical based on the client choosing to break an enforceable measurable TOS after signing it not because of who he is or what he stands for and the cake ban is based on empty bigotry and bias alone. The real test would be if a liberal was banned for saying something stupid, you can bet most the cons crying now would be fine with that as their concern is ideological not principled.
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  376. NooseyGoosey It is illegal to add being gay or black to a TOS and you can not deny service based on it.
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  377. NooseyGoosey Gay marriage was illegal and was overturned because it restricted the rights of Americans for religious or bigoted reasons. There IS NO RIGHT to be a bigot while providing a service to the public in america since the 60's. This rule was put in place because bigots were marginalizing citizens making them second class in their own country for no fault of their own. If you have a business licence you can not discriminate and refuse to serve a customer based on who they are. The right of universal access to goods and services has been deemed more important than your right to be an asshole and deny them for arbitrary reasons that have nothing to do with your product. Twitter lays out clear rules and that you agree to about what you can post before you use the service that have nothing to do with your character or who you fuck and everything to do with the content you push. There is no commonality in the process of buying a cake and using someones services to publicly share your ideas.
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  378. NooseyGoosey But he is not being refused based on his political beliefs, he is being banned based on specific things he posted that break the TOS. Just admit you do not understand why his ban happened. Point of note that even you can easily confirm, being a douche bag is not a protected class.
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  379. very much the same.
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  380. Leadership is betraying us, their followers are generally deluded.
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  381. Off for the week.
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  382. Most democrats will vote Bernie, independents will vote Bernie, some republicans will vote Bernie. That is plenty enough to win as the Centrist can not count on either of last two.
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  383.  @jjjay30  If someone said it last cycle they had nothing to base it on as the he ceded the entire south before they even knew who he was. He still got 47%, this is not 2016.
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  384. Exactly, look at any post from a gop member.
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  385.  @The_Bookshelf_Life  What is desperate is what trump and his cronies are doing, playing to stupid empty wedge issues that appeal to the id of morons to cover for the fact they are robbing everyone blind except those who own them. They do this while you cheer them on. 😂 indeed.
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  386. Half reporting .. he never bothered to mention they are to come out on the 15th in 2 days and will include 10 years ... he left those facts out and like Bernie even releasing them was a giant question mark when it is not. Even the question was stupid if you have been paying attention at all. I like David but found this clip disappointing .
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  387. Halfwits ...
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  388. Judd Pickell Yes we understand it that is why we know that giving rich people who are already sitting on a giant pile money more does nothing to increase growth. Growth is driven by demand and no demand is created by these tax cuts. If anything we can expect the market to contract as most working people end up with less to spend to give billionaires more which does not get spent.
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  389. Judd Pickell you do appear to be clueless and there have been no cuts yet so giving them the credit for anything is total nonsense. The data from past cuts is clear and the results are not what you incorrectly predict. Even if I was to cede your point (and I don't) no matter what growth we saw just like the past 3 decades most people will continue to see none of it. A high stock market does not mean prosperity for most. The market was at record high under Obama too but that means nothing in tems of income for the vast majority of American's. Stop defending a giveaway to billionaire and multi nationals who will out source more because they have no reason not to and new found cash to do it.
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  390. RizenLink That is why it is fair to vote for her and the Joe mansions in the election and fight to oust them in the primaries.
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  391. Tucker and his patented stunned look ...
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  392. I could not agree more.
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  393. The democrats have not had very many good options to point. When given a choice between gop and gop light the right shows up and the left stays home. A real progressive who actually fights for progressive ideas can turn out people in a way the unexciting establishment shills never do. We can hope Beto does so.
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  394. Javier Navarro I do not live in the fact free right wing bubble you do and it is you clowns who are embarrassing as you misuse terms out of ignorance or dishonesty. Private ownership and socialism are not mutually exclusive and you have to make ignore reality to make your claim. Making Socialism = communism as it applied to the first world is base stupid and not correct. Your talking points speak to you being a shill or really ignorant, nothing else.
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  395. Javier Navarro Go read a dictionary because at this point it is clear you have issues with comprehension. We have numerous examples of a brands of socialism where the government does not own the means of production. This is true of many many western democracies that blend socialism with capitalism., you really need to stop pretending otherwise. It makes you look dishonest or stupid.
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  396. Javier Navarro That you live in a bubble that justifies you saying overtly incorrect things in public does no harm to anyone but you. Ignoring reality is not a fucking augment and cone head's like you need wake up and realize you are parroting bullshit that makes you look simple and poorly informed.
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  397. I do too but I have blocked MSNBC and fox
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  398. Short answer yes, white woman missing syndrome is a thing. I would not have her covered less but there are people who deserve far more or at least some. We have examples of areas where 100's of native woman have disappeared without a peep from the media.
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  399. Anyone who has a face book account and expected they were not gathering your info then you never bothered to learn why face book exists. It is literally a tool used to collect personal info to be used for marketing, this is the reason it is able to be as big as it is.
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  400. And his choice of faith spoke to his nature, he was always completely unconcerned about others.
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  401. Our list is very similar. I like Jessie thrown randomly in, it made me smile.
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  402.  @Sabakatiebiajebalkurwo  Asking Putin about the war is like asking the arsonist why he started the fire. His answer is academic and even if he does reply, the building is still leveled.
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  403. Wanting cops on the streets is not in conflict with calling bad cops out on brutality.
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  404.  @ginsuma1402  No chance of the hero thing, you are fucking deluded if you think he is handling it well. His bailout is a gift to corporations and spits in working peoples faces again. The DNC fails yet again because they are the same brand of cancer trump is and billionaires hold both their leashes making both parties shit. The fact is if anyone can fuck up the response even when it is as layup it is the democrats. But all those who are happy with Trumps response are about to be deeply disappointed as it gets far far worse before it gets better.
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  405. A whole crowd of clowns that are special kind of stupid. She does not understand anything.
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  406. You would not know truth if it bit your face.
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  407. To an element that is vulnerable, not the whole country just a soft minded subset.
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  408. If I get 2 more goals this game than the last one then no matter what the other team got I win!
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  409. That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
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  410. No one can believe it for a good reason ...
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  411.  @bobsilver3983  this is not 2019, your stupid fear based rethoric is old and stale.
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  412.  @bobsilver3983  Children afraid of things they are told to be scared of. No one takes medical advise from you for a good reason.
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  413. @Bob Silver  The public is turning against self-important losers who think they are immunologists because they have a Facebook feed, do you know this? The data does NOT support your now childish and willfully ignorant claims.
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  414. Not if bernie runs.
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  415. And put in the corporate dems? They do not care about either. Bad choices are hard to get excited about.
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  416. zanbroca If not then you are the idiot as him running as an independent ONLY serves the GOP. He is going back to the party tear power from their corrupt hands, when he wins as the leader he can actually reform it to serve the voters and not the corporations it works for now. The answer to your question is no one can run as an independent and win as it stands. If he did all that would happen is he and the democratic candidate would split the vote and Trump would win. As an independent they would shut him out of the media entirely making sure an establishment candidate on the right or left would win. The DNC is so weak and barley beat him last time, they have nothing to stop him this cycle and it is time they had power taken away and given back to the voters instead of donors. Your spin is direct service to Trump, own that.
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  417. Like I sad he can end run the rule or just beat it if he has to. That this is all they have speaks to how desperate they are and nothing else to me. I have seen them trying to mimic him and that is a good thing. They still have nowhere near the momentum or credibility he has and they are the upstart underdogs this time. They have the same hill to climb that Bernie did and I frankly do not see them beating him toe to toe. Every leader that does this is moving in the right direction but everyone of them is a pale copy of Bernie and are not and never will be remotely as popular. Bernie is filling halls and gets coverage on his own merits now and pushing one candidate over him will be seen for exactly what it is. Bernie voters who did not even exist last time at the start of the campaign are fighting twice as hard this time from the outset. Tricks like forcing voters to register far ahead of the primaries will no longer work and people are organizing around them from the start this time. The two party system most certainly has to change. It is only marginally better than a dictatorship and has been shown to promote the status quo over what the voters want. Bernie running as an independent does not solve that problem and would just empower the status quo and make him irrelevant splitting the left and ensuring GOP victory. There is no prize for second place in our system. I simply can not agree that Bernie is an "idiot' if he runs within that system as it stands today with the options for victory as they are. This is especially true as he almost won last time when he was the underdog and not the fave. Your concerns about him being hoodwinked are well founded and based in fact. But we really do not need the Joe's or even the Obama's of this world in order to win because what they really stand for is not and never has been popular with anyone but donors. The republicans went through this same thing last time with Trump and lost. The key difference between the democrats and them is none of their candidates had a giant head start and support of the entire system pushing them ahead on day one. They could not make anyone else win and that is what will happen the dems this time even as they would like to desperately change that fact. In the end I suspect we agree on far more than we disagree on. It looks like our key differences are on our estimation of how powerful we expect our opposition is and how effective we imagine their tricks are. I for one do not see them as very good at what they do, they barely beat him last time with every advantage and they are starting in a giant hole this time not at the top of the hill with all the momentum.
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  418. @Paul Berevoescu tthat is stupid. The need to get out of the way because they have no idea how to win or what to do if they do.
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  419. Emile Constance Don't expect them to cede control, we will have to tear it away from them at the ballet box.
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  420. lol
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  421. When you see the right attacking the left with sweeping statements take at look at their claims and they are likely backing clowns that are doing exactly what they are accusing them of.
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  422.  @jetta2134  He can not run again if he won twice. It is either he lost and therefore can run agian or he did not and can not. He needs to decide.
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  423.  @brightwinter9334  Whatever; if you are scared of a booster shot, you are too scared. The days of normal people needing boosters are fading, some high risk people still benefit from them. The fact is this is no longer a novel virus. Your hyper panic and dishonestly engendered fear over the vaccine is ever less relevant to anyone's life, including yours. Relax, nothing your grand poohbahs predicted has come to pass.
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  424.  @brightwinter9334  Don't hold your breath getting a shot hurts virtually no one, most certainly not me. I have had them and am fine. You buy the spin of liars as a feature of your identity. Kinda sad for an adult but you do you scaredy.
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  425. it is the cons that looked backwards and stupid. rule of thumb when you are on the same side as Isis you are going the wrong way.
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  426. Ingram cones across aa a ghoul too. Maga is the party of devisiion
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  427. The real question is why would you imagine if anyone cared if you left?
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  428. What do you mean he buys from ISIS .. you do know we are bombing them don't you?  Connect to reality,  it is a pretty cool place. 
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  429. Heiner Lilje Fact: The are not attached to any markets.  They are living in a war zone and are producing nothing.  Fact:  We know why gas prices are down and it has nothing to do with ISIS Fact:  You are a loon.
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  430. Heiner Lilje You continue to prove you are not attached to reality. Benghazi was an attack it was not what the lunatics tried to make it into.  The whole world has been affected by the drop in price of oil.  It has more to do with an attempt to hurt the Russians than it does anything to do with middle east.  We know exactly why the prices are falling and who is instigating it.  There is no mystery here to the people who do not want to just make shit up.  Any of the assertions by fox or you this is some kind of conspiracy is nonsense.
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  431. Heiner Lilje And the price of oil has nothing to do with anyone buying it from ISIS.  That is my point.
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  432. She has at least been a public servant ... I know we treat that as some kind of fail now but traditionally there was more than one way to serve your country.
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  433. Boobalopbop There is a fundamental issue with our system that puts many more black people in prison when both white and black people use drugs at the same rate.  Putting anyone in prison because they choose to use a substance is nothing but a path to a busy prison system with no other gains. That we unevenly target the black community for enforcement of these laws means if they were repealed a great many people now going to jail and messing up their lives would not.  This can do nothing but benefit the community in general. That being said your views about not voting for Paul are on the money.  For every sound thing he supports there are 5 that are bat shit crazy. 
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  434. grkpektis Not completely true. Bush lied us into a 3 trillion dollar war killing thousands of our soldiers and hundreds of thousands of civilians for rebuilding and oil contracts.  He initiated all of the programs you are talking about. That our existing administration carries on his programs is sickening but does not make him worse.  Obama is without a doubt a profound disappointment but that does not make him worse than the guy who made all of the structure including stuff we both loathe possible.  There have been incremental tiny improvements and even they are enough to put GB in the dust. 
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  435. Playfulpanthress Including tearing apart old and ridiculous assertions about christian one ..
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  436. Simply not believing in a god is not the same as making idiotic demanding assertions about reality based on bronze stories written down for the first time long after the events they depict.
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  437. Troy York It is fundamentally not a waste.  It is arguably the most important investment we can possibly make, as a species as it is our only chance for long term survival.  Sailing out into the wide ocean was once a very dangerous enterprise.  It did not stop us from doing so and this is no different.   People like you made the same failed arguments as we took our first steps into the wider world.  It is a good thing no one listened to your kind then either. 
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  438. Troy York Anyone that opposes space exploration is a short sighted fool.  The technology spin offs alone (including clean energy generation) are reason enough.  This is not about elites but the future survival of our species.  It is about new resources and new places to expand and grow.   We can not eternally be chained to this tiny ball of mud, humanity has to go into space and make a home there too if we are to have a future.  The only thing stopping us is the will to do so and anyone who would ignore that imperative is a stone around our collective neck.
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  439. Gene Starwind Of course it is not beyond us.  Who told you that?  What is it that has convinced you we can not do so?   Actually we have all the tech we need right now and only require a gold rush scenario to drive us into space. An economic incentive would speed the process like it has all colonization efforts before it.  The ONLY thing stopping us is the economic drive to do so and those hurdles are being attacked as we speak.  You are simply not correct.
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  440. Gene Starwind It is the only thing you can think of, you declared it impossible.  Well that is it and might as well pack it up then should we?. Actually there are numerous things that we can either produce or harvest from space.  There are private enterprise groups backed by some of the richest men on the planet setting the ground work for exploring and eventually mining the ort cloud.  There are nano production techniques that can only be done in space.  The spin offs and side industries created as a result create good jobs and innovated products and materials if our experience is any indicator. Our tech is already there to perform long durations in space exploration.  We have well tested life support and eva equipment.  We have developed working ion engines and our computing power dwarfs what put us on the moon 4 decades ago. The idea we can not do it is uninformed nonsense. The only thing we are missing is the political will and the dollars to do it.  The idea we are decades away is pretty silly when you consider we from  came from nothing to put a man on the moon in 8 years starting with technology infinitely more feeble then what we is garden variety today.  The only thing we still need to develop is an affordable launch vehicle and there are a number of options already designed if not built.   In any case none of this changes my original assertion.  Getting into space is not only a priority it is the only path forward for the species in the long run.
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  441. Gene Starwind The ion drives are being suggested for non manned vehicles to supply an haul back cargo from mining operation proposed for the ort cloud.  The technology is an example of the technical efforts we are capable of.  The fact is we have other faster viable propulsion methods ready to be developed for the mars journey and beyond.   Whatever it costs it will be  worth it.  We blew buckets of money on a jet that arguably we will never fly.  We waste money on truly pointless things all the time.  Your spin that the effort is useless is not valid. The spinoffs alone justify it, the last space race generated new tech and material that are common place today.  Innovating is never a waste and it is not a matter of if we go to space but when.  I say that time is now.  Stepping into the next frontier that is also happens to be a hostile wasteland is the next step we have to take not as a country but as a species.  That you think there is no value in it does not change it is the only place we can go next and space is not unlimited down here. You say it is impossible but I do not agree and there are great many people with more credibility on the subject than you who do not agree with you either.
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  442. Gene Starwind It should not be a matter or one or the other. We need to develop both sets of tech. The energy production should be a no brainier and there is plenty of money to drive that development already.  Again the only thing missing is a political will to do so.
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  443. Troy York And a great many people like me.  Your spin is broken out of the gate.
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  444. Eman6881 Bullshit, they outright control and own it.    When you say things that are demonstrability false you show yourself not to be connected to reality and highlight yourself as a shill. That Russia is not allowed to sell their propaganda they are busy trying to destabilize and annex seems pretty sound to me.  Quit pretending that does not make sense.  I am going to need a citation on the illegal to look at their news claim.  You have already said false things right off the bad no one should take anything you post on faith.  Now lets confirm here,  in the normal world countries do not get to move in and annex other countries sovereign land with a vote they fixed that nobody but you shills imagine is acceptable.  There are recognized legal paths to do such things,  Russia ignored them in annexing Crimea for it's own reasons with no outside observers.  You clowns have stop pretending Russia gives a flying fuck about democracy or self determination. 
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  445. Eman6881 Because the entire process was unlawful and no one could sanction it.   A thrown together referendum thrown under the power of the country that is getting the new land is joke.   The numbers you quote from that "vote" mean nothing and no one outside the Kremlin recognizes the vote as anything but naked pretense.  That the Ukrainians have a problem with Russia as it annexes its land is not a shocking one.  Now lets us not remake history.    The president that was thrown out was doing so for threatening to shoot people who were protesting his decree's.  When faced with the the angry public he fled like the puppet he is to the Russia.  Revising history and painting the Ukrainians as the totalitarian ones when it is clearly Russia is acting in that roll now.  With their charismatic front man who supports expansion and is openly open to minorities while clamping down and controlling the media we see analogs from the 1930's all over. All of his actions are that of an oppressor from ruthlessly crushing descent,  invading other countries sovereign territory and or squashing minority rights.  We see him for what he is and no amount of spin will cover it up.
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  446. Eman6881 Sure it is all common sense until the population rises up in popular protest and you threaten to kill them forcing you to flee. The Crimea vote was a joke that no one outside shills like you think is legitimate.  They oversaw administered and provided security for the whole thing while threatening the sovereign country they were robbing with force when they objected it was illegal.  It was done at the barrel of the gun and there is no way the world is going to forget that.
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  447. Eman6881 One was a leader threatening to kill his people who protested against his polices and the other is questionable reporting from a propaganda agency about the events in what is in effect a war.  The two do not compare.  That Ukrainian nationalists are shooting Russian nationalists and vice versa should not be a surprise in the meat grinder Russia's actions have created. They asked for one to justify their coupe but the process was so flawed no one could agree and lend it legitimacy.   It does not matter what Crimea speaks as it was a sovereign part of Ukraine and no country including your beloved Russia can move in with troops simply hold and election and then declare it their territory with any legitimacy.   I am not refusing facts I am pointing out nothing you have shared refutes any point I made. 
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  448. Eman6881 Russia is not about democracy any more and you really need to stop pretending you even value it.  You are arguing on behalf of an fascist oligarchy that has taken over the media banned members of their population from free speech by law and annexed part of another country when it looked like they were going to part company.    This was not America breaking away from Britain it was a lot more like when Hitler annexed Austria.
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  449. zeisengreen1913 Foreign policy is not how i judge any country.  The freedoms the people enjoy at home are much more important in my mind.  I do not have to like american foreign policy to object to blunders by anyone else.  Nothing the US has ever done validates Crimea.  I would most likely agree with you if you were to list the errors in foreign policy of the US has made.  None of that changes how wrong Crimea is.  The fact Russia is a terrible place to live should be a primary concern when evaluating how well the government is doing.  That they have done good things like save their Syrian puppet from being bombed off the plant is positive.  But it does not make up for their failures.  I will be happy to extend credit when it is due but Russia has very little going for it.  I will never bow my head and support the kind of nationalist totalitarianism that being birthed in Russia, nothing good comes from it.  I fight the fascists here, there is no reason to support them there.
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  450. Eman6881 This was Russia stealing Crimea from Ukraine.  It is a foreign country coming and in standing over them with a gun until they stage the fiction of a vote by a country that does not value democracy.  That is not what happened in the american revolution when a whole new entity broke free because they wanted self determination not so they could join a dictatorship.
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  451. ***** The US media had been been pro Russia and pro Putin until he started annexing his former allies.  That does not change the shitty things he is doing or that at best his spin is questionable at worst it is terrifying.  I have judged him based on some basic criteria and have found his regime and direction of his government wanting.  Anyone that sings his praises has to ignore that fact he is a defacto dictator who controls his countries media and crushes descent.  The only ones who sing his praises are homophobic fringe right wing nationalistic ideologues. These are the exact same kind of people that waved the flag of another power hungry dictator who caused a great many problems in the late 30's and early 40's.  Not a troll just calling it like I see it.
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  452. ***** If calling out dictators and hacking on their sick apologists is trolling I will be doing as you suggest.
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  453. Eman6881 RT, is a propaganda arm of Putin.  Maybe nothing outrageous but there is nothing critical of him either.
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  454. zeisengreen1913 Of course ... changes nothing about what I have said.  If you like unfiltered propaganda right out our the Kremlin it is top notch.
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  455. zeisengreen1913 The director was recently hand appointed by Putin and is a loyalist.   RT is a propaganda arm owned by the Russian state.   I have liked lee camp for a long time ago.  They have him on because of his valid scathing criticism of the US domestic and foreign policy, bet he has not said anything about Russia or Putin lately.
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  456. They should learn the lesson that if they pretend they are republicans the real republican is going to get the votes and their base will stay home.
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  457. They will lose when applied against our constitution.
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  458. That could have something to do with how conservative the people are who have the arranged marriage. That they stick together is not the same as both are happy and I would be surprised if an adherence to tradition and a bias against divorce in that group should get the credit and not how they picked one another. 
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  459. Blue Cranes It actually may be worse, to have unhappy poorly matched parents than parents who are both happy and leading better lives even if it is separately.
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  460. Blue Cranes They literally have no idea if they a well matched or not.  It is a total crap shoot driven by a need to adhere to tradition over the value of individuality.   Arranged marriages are a throw back to the days daughters were considered property to be bargained for wealth or position.   The strengthening of family alliances toward political or financial ends.  Blind marriages make even less sense to me because how we look is an important part of who we are and should not hide it.  I see no upside in not seeing my bride before we marry.
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  461. Blue Cranes Terrible crap shoot akin to trusting a dating site to pick the person you are going to marry.  There is zero chance the match maker really knows who are or how you interact.  It is basing it on a bunch of generalities used to match you.  It is no sharper than letting e harmony pick your bride sight unseen. 
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  462. Blue Cranes Not as good as their advertising would suggest.
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  463. Max Rice Will do.
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  464. Uncomplicated maybe but decent is not one of his strongest qualities. He is overtly not paying fees other ranchers do every day.  He has failed in every legal remedy to avoid them and now has gone rogue and chose an extra legal one.  Mark my worlds this is not going to turn out well for him.
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  465. I do not respect anything I fear .. I loath it.
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  466. ***** Or simply miss it in the gaggle of clowns that say stuff like that and actually mean it. :)
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  467. ***** In a country where ever yahoo has a gun that is not valid.
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  468. Most people here do not even know it comes from that context, including the 1st lady.
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  469. You are basicly trusting a group like the Russians more than them .. if you do not think Russia is crooked then I have bridges to sell you.
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  470. MRostendway It was a problem this election because they saw an opportunity that would have been unthinkable any election before this one given the choices we had.  I am not sure how you would have expected Obama to put this information out?  If they did not "rush" it do you imagine this is something they should not have shared?   The main steam media is biased but they are biased about maintaining the status quo and access to power.  Their bias is predictable as is Russia's.  I simply see Russia having much more to gain by this action than anyone on this side of the fence besides Trump himself.   The damage done by the revelations of the hacking is not going away no matter who the DNC blames and the charge changes nothing about what we learned.   I simply see no reason to side with Russia on this or any other issue of credibility, they have none and appear to have gotten exactly what they wanted. 
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  471. MRostendway No one should be surprised as he is part of the same establishment fail that has owned the DNC since Clinton 1.  Their race to become more like the GOP has seen our entire system for sale.  That is the real story here and if Russia influenced the election or not is less of an issue than the overt influence buying that exists as an innate part of our system.  If in the end that is what we make this about then it still may do us some good. 
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  472. MRostendway I don't care why they are doing it.  It highlights corruption which is a base problem we have.   If those that push it think it will remain focused on Russia then they are not as clever as they imagine they are.   The fact is influence peddling is a major problem we have.  Be it Russia doing it or the Koch brothers or Goldman Sachs should be equally troubling to Americans.  They may not care about bribery, but the American people do.  Take their spin and apply it properly and this becomes less about making Russia mad and more about attacking the fact it is easy to control our elections because of the fact both parties sell out as a matter of policy.
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  473. MRostendway Most people do not watch MSNBC or CNN, take a look at their ratings.  the fact is most people are either uniformed (and it was arguable they were never informed) or are getting their info from alternate sources now.  I am saying the spin that is being put out can be refocused into something positive, not that it is right now.  It highlights a larger issue the media never talks about and that is the venerability to manipulation innate to our system as it stands.  I do not think the general populace will necessarily extrapolate my conclusion from the media but it opens the door to talking about corruption of our system and there are more and more of us capable of picking up the ball from there.  It changes the conversation so the next Bernie has a base of people who already think our system is open to manipulation and know our parties including the one they support is crooked.   It puts us in a unique place where the door talking about manipulation has already been kicked open and acknowledged by a media who has pretended there is no problem to date.  The Russia thing is an attempted distraction that does not cover up the fact even if guilty they exposed real issues that no one is even trying to deny.  It opened the eyes of many voters to the fact both parties are totally owned.   Properly spun going forward that awareness tacitly and unavoidingly created can be shaped into something that serves the electorate even if the media who shares this meme does not see the seeds they sew.   
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  474. Nathan Robinson The terms conservative and liberal do not need interpretation, they have distinct meanings.  I am not conflating anything.  You are trying to run from the truth by changing the goal posts.  Conservatives European or North American have some differences but BOTH are conservative by definition. Every single state to date had some element of central planning.  BOTH left and right wing governments of all sizes share this trait.  You belong to a group who is attempting to redefine the terms to referring "small" vs "big" government in opposition to stateism as being conservative. This is not what I am talking about when I and the rest of the world outside your bubble uses it in context.  The terms you attempt to use them do not mean what you think they do outside the narrow context you come from. No one should be expected to know this without previous contact with those like you.  You are willfully misusing these terms in an attempt to distance yourself from your fellow conservatives who share many values with you. I do not care what you think the nazi's were but the rest of the world understands that to be fascist is to be ultra conservative. That you imagine you are superior because you define it differently differently is actually sad as it means it is nearly impossible to have a rational conversation with you on the subject.  
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  475. Nathan Robinson I am not defending nazi control, you misunderstand what I am saying. Nazi Germany was a lot of things one of them was as a state by any non remade definition of the word.  Please show how I am wrong and I will then explain your error.
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  476. Nathan Robinson Fascism as an ideology that is universally considered conservative by those outside your bubble.  The nazi's are quintessential examples of fascists ergo they were very conservative. 
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  477. Nathan Robinson It appears you do not know what that term means either.  There is no circular logic in my statement.  Fascist = Conservative, Nazi = Fascist therefor Nazi = Conservative.  This is simple deductive logic where if the first two statements are true the third is true by default. Fascism is right-wing and conservative in nature because of its social conservatism and authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism. The government of Nazi Germany was a fascist, totalitarian state. Totalitarian regimes, in contrast to a dictatorship, establish complete political, social, and cultural control over their subjects and are usually headed by a charismatic leader. Fascism is a form of right-wing totalitarianism which emphasizes the subordination of the individual to advance the interests of the state.  You really need help with the basics if you are going to argue in a forum like this.  The real problem is we are not even speaking the same language as you replace all common terms with your redefined versions. Like I said it makes you impossible to talk to,  
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  478. Kev Urbie Sorry mistook you for clown who posted this who pretended he ever was. Well it is nice to see your estimation of me is as failed as the rest of the right wing evaluations.   The fact is it is a safe bet I am as old or order than you.  Regardless you do not show any wisdom with your bullshit spin.  One does not have to buy into nonsense as they get older even as people like you do.
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  479. Nathan Robinson If you say so,  the fact it is expensive in every first world country would put some doubt on that spin.  There is no first wold nation that has affordable post secondary education that is not directly linked to efforts of the the government.   I would argue it is one of the principle services any government should be focused on making available to it's citizens.   Our system has major flaws but that is because the profit motive has driven legislation and not good policy.  In any case the genie is not going back in the bottle and to ignore the problem is not going to make it go away.   We already arbitrarily draw a line limiting access to education by wealth, I would just see it refocused on ability.  All of the government paid post secondary models require you qualify based on available spots and your marks.  The applicants have to show their ability to learn and earn a place in the courses offered or pay their own way. The qualification for post secondary education should not be how rich you are but based on aptitude. There are tests for health care too,  you have to be a citizen and it is a simple qualification but an important one. One also has to qualify for welfare and not everyone gets it.  I am not sure how setting up this standard is "illogical" when we already limit other services in much the same way.
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  480. Nathan Robinson List me the successful systems that do it  the way you suggest, I will save you some time there are none.  
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  481. Nathan Robinson And that is a fail compared to the places that are paying the whole shot in the same way we are better than places that do not pay for any education. There are places you only go to school if the parents can afford it and your desire is akin to that. 
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  482. Nathan Robinson Germany, Finland,  France, Norway, Sweden all offer tuition free educations.  Their systems are not identical  but all do a far better job providing affordable education than we do. 
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  483. Nathan Robinson The quality of their institutions is as good or better than ours by every metric.  Ya, someone pays for it the society does making it available for all citizens just like every first world country guarantees a primary education as a right.  It is more affordable meaning normal people can take advantage of it without being forced to starting off life mired in debt beholden to a bank.   We can most certainly afford it too. As it stands we just waste our money on corporate welfare, tax cuts for the rich and a bloated military that dwarfs every other one on the planet many of which are our allies..  
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  484. Nathan Robinson Premium universities are only of value to those who can afford them.  No one thinks Germany, Finland's or Switzerland education primary or post secondary are sub par and no one identifies them as such.  I know several people who have gone to get MBA's in Europe specifically Germany and France.  The US has premium health care too but that being said medical expenses are the single largest reason for bankruptcies in the nation and this limits its value as we have people literally dying because they can not get care. We have the same kind of fail happening in education and our students are graduating with massive debt because of a broken system written by the banks and the for profit insinuations they go to.   The US has a mediocre welfare system at the very best and it is only good if you contrast it with the third wold.  We spend well over half or discretionary spending on the military and another huge chunk on corporate welfare bought by the donor class. Our systems are not first rate by the developed worlds standards including Canada.  The idea that social programs provide nothing is a often used right wing trope to siphon money from the poorest to the richest that directly takes money out of the economy and puts in the hands of the few on top.  This type of program not only stops the poorest people from starving but it is directly stimulative meaning all of the money flows back into the local economy instead of being thrown into a pile or invested overseas.   The problem is not attached to the average person but those at the very top who control massive percentages of our wealth and have been absorbing ALL of the growth for the last 35 years while everyone else piece of the pie has not even kept up with inflation even as we have gotten much more productive.   The country does not have to be isolationist but it's economic policy should serve the people and not the multi nationals who now drive the bus.   We do not have to have a military 10 times as big as the next rival when 6 or 8 times would be just as effective. Loans are not the issue.  It is that we have thrown in with the false notion that everything is better if you attach a profit motive to it and the prices have risen accordingly.   The price will always be what the market will bear and in the past people could not afford to go to school and we had less people educated as a result.  The current policy is fundamentally flawed because there is no cost control in included in it by design.   The referenced systems are not just a giveaway to corporations like ours is and their policy was crafted with students in mind not donors. Advocating for a race to the bottom and less education that will see us left behind by other modern nations who understand their future success is attached to an educated population is a bad direction to take.   Education is an investment that pays off  and as the richest nation in the world we should not be second best to anyone on this score. The more people who are educated the better.  The idea that only those who are willing to go in debt slavery or are from a family that is already rich should get one is a tough sell you have not made a good case for.  
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  485. Nathan Robinson You still have to qualify to get in.  And if you can not then you should find a way to pay for yourself if your grades do not merit access.  The idea that people take useless things if the government covers tuition is fact free and not borne out by the places that offer the opportunity. Yes we spend alot of money and the nature of our free market drinks it all down while still allowing people to die on the streets. We have no cost control in our system as opposed to the rest of the developed world. We pay twice the amount in health care while many do not have enough coverage or none at all and every sickness is a financial tragically.   It the nature of insurance that drives up our costs coupled with the fact our government is owned and signs away the right to negotiate for better prices on drugs because of lobbyist written policy.  We spend lots of money but we waste it because our system is not meant to deliver service but reap profit for the providers who own our leaders.   Even the "progressive" system put through by the dems is nothing more than a big thank you to insurance companies who added 10's of millions of customers funded by the government.   I have good friends who have survived cancer, had hips replaced and got great care from their system all without the threat of bankruptcy while paying half the cost. The characterization of your system as awful compared to ours ignorance personified unless you think that paying double and still having a good chance of going bankrupt is a good thing.   Military spending is included in discretionary spending, perhaps you did not know that but now you do.   You blame the loans but the policy wrapped around the loans were written by the industries that directly benefit.  We are spending tax payer dollars to fund a process crushes the financial options of the young to make a very few rich.   You blame government I blame corruption because I know that the same kinds money can be spent to offer free tuition merit based tuition. It is pretty clear you are drinking trickle down cool aid and part of the blindness that has fostered the problem we have.  It is a wonder you do this while in a country who is not remotely right wing and by all accounts is a great place to live.   
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  486. Nathan Robinson You do not get to say economics when in fact nothing backs up your spin and there is no model on the planet that is a success story for your brand of fail.  No I am not, I am saying and always have said it should be MERIT based not based on  how much cash you can raise or how deep in debt you are willing to go. Please go back and reread what I said.  The fact is tuition should be paid on all courses you qualify for and no capable person one should be shut out of an education because of money.  This is true of primary and secondary education and it is also true of post secondary.    Price controls are one means of cost control that government systems have as an option. Volume discounts and limiting the profit to be made are others.  None of the best systems in the world feature the for profit insurance as a center peace and all are based of them offer universal coverage that our system does not.   Insurance drives up costs for the same reason that getting your body work done on your car privately is cheaper than doing it when insurance pays.  The insurance companies do not care how much the product costs as all they have to do is rise prices.  they are selling a product that people literally need to live and because they sell oxygen do not have to care about what it costs.  This means there are no cost controls on our system hence the exorbitant costs that are passed on to individuals, businesses and government.  Our system is a total fail unless  you measure it by how much money it generates for those who run it. There is nothing socialized about Obama care.  It i the 1990 GOP's solution to medicare for all and is nothing but a giveaway to insurance companies.  That being said it is 1000 times better than what it replaced.  It crushed a system that allowed insurance companies to cut you off after you got sick and still needed care once you hit a limit.  It allowed them to go back and try to dodge covering you by attempting to invalidate your insurance claiming you broke the contract.  Tens of thousands of people died every year simply because they had no health care coverage.   The solution that came up with is a fail but it is better than what they replaced and is much better than anything the GOP talks about today. There are waiting lists for things like hips but  when it comes to hearts and cancer your treatment has been fast and professional from my experience.  If I paid half of what I do now to ensure all have coverage I might be willing to wait a bit for my hip transplant especially as I am not likely to end up bankrupt if I get cancer.   Please, it is pretty clear of where your economic inspiration sits and you do not have much to stand on in the way of data validating the spin you infer.   The places that have these systems are not the hell holes and have universally higher standards of living and satisfaction than we do.  Your country included.  
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  487. Nathan Robinson The private system is broken because it exists first and foremost to make money from someone.  The loan system has been manipulated by the banks to be credit that the creditor can not escape from.  Our system is broken and merit scholarships do not scratch the surface of the need.  Actually the argument has been made that it does stand for food, housing, etc.  In Finland everyone gets a basic amount of money to make ends meet.  It is very arguable that the fundamentals of life should be provided and what you do on top of that is on you,.  We are not living in the stone age and are in a time of abundance where much is horded into the hands a very few at the expense of us all.  65 people have more money than the bottom 3 billion and this is arguably the worst example of hording in the history of man.   This idea of everyone having a basic living guaranted may be the wave of the future but for now I will settle with my tax dollars going toward health care and education.   Insurance companies do not sell a voluntary product because they sell what amounts to oxygen.  What is your choice?  Buy it or not, and if you do not and get sick you are fucked.  That is not a choice and it is capitalism at the barrel of a virtual financial and healthcare cannon as these insurance companies literally make blood money while offering nothing of value to the health care system at all.  Their incentive is not to provide care but to deny it and it is little wonder the system their involvement spawned.  Insurance companies do not care what they pay in the end as they just raise rates, they make money no matter what. They people in question had reasonable wait times and got excellent care without having to declare bankruptcy.  I do not know what you have been told but there are wait times here too.  Not to mention co pays and deductibles that come out of our pocket just to get the care you take for granted.  Many people do not even go to the doctor until it is too late because they do not have the cash to pay doctor even if they had insurance.  Our system is not the envy of anyone but insurance companies the uber rich and the ignorant.   Obama care was originally the GOP's plan and was written by the well known liberal bastion the heritage foundation.   It was the free market solution to health care and is not remotely socialized health care as all it did was force people to buy insurance or suffer tax penalties.  This is all a matter of record and you should really look it up before making ignorant assertions.   The best systems are universally controlled by the government, UNIVERSALLY!  That is a fact and challenge you to prove me wrong because in every single case the countries in question offer universal coverage for all citizens.   The population argument is nonsense we spend 2 x more than you do proportionately and do not have better outcomes and are ranked 37th in the world while you are 30. We already spend way more money than you on a product that sees massive numbers of our population forced into bankruptcy and many that are not covered at all who we (the government) ends up paying for through our expensive failure emergency room catchall.  Every single first world country has universal health care except us, that is fail.     
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  488. Nathan Robinson There are some services that do not benefit from a profit motive.  Health care is one of them.   There is no upside to having insurance companies involved so they can siphon off the top and add zero value.   The private system is expensive and without the cost controls like they have in Singapore (who has a mixed system) it is a licence to print money for some and have the most expensive system in the world, just like ours is.  I am unconcerned about your realizations. Reality is not broken it is our submission to interests that do not value any metric except the THEIR bottom line that is the issue.  You can not and have not pointed to an example of a system that works better under your proposed model.   The loan scheme was made by banks for banks and is a "free market" solution to a real problem and is not remotely progressive in nature.   Again with the population argument nonsense.  That is not the slam dunk you imagine it is and waving it around does not validate you unless you actually have numbers that correlate your assertions with the limitations you imply.  Just like your Canadian health care dismissal it is nothing but air and does not explain anything.  Having a large group being culturally similar does not explain why they can have these programs while we can not.  This argument simply does not make sense at its face. None of this discussion is attached to why Russia collapsed.  They took control of all the means of production and outlawed private ownership.  That is not what is being proposed here and that you imagine this is akin to communism is a fail. I pay less in taxes that you but pay more after I factor in my health care costs.  I would take your more affordable system any day of the week and the  same goes for education. Many hands make light work and we already have more than enough money to pay for these programs that will save 100's of millions money while providing care for all. We waste billions on giveaways to banks and trillions to fight wars we should not.  It is time we spend that money at home and if I have to pay a little more taxes to save out of pocket expense down the road that is a price I and many other sane people are willing to pay.   In this country you need health care insurance at the risk of your very life.  That you imagine that is a voluntary service is just you putting your head in the sand.  At some point almost every human being will need health care and the only time you do not is if you die suddenly.  That is the bet you make in our system without insurance and it is a bad idea and not really a choice at all.   There are no free lunches, I pay my taxes and expect something for them including my fellow citizens not dying in the streets because they can not afford health care.  We are the richest nation in the history of humanity and the idea we can not afford to take care of all our citizens health care is not remotely valid.   You speak for the greed of a tiny minority with your spin and it is appalling coming form someone who enjoys the advantages of a system you deride.   You state your opinion as fact too,  this is red herring and of no value to the conversation. You have not convinced anyone you understand economics at all.  Your judgment of my viewpoint has little merit as you blithely make unbaked unsupported assertions.   
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  489. Nathan Robinson They may be separate things where you live but here they are one in the same.  The insurance system drives our costs as we have zero cost control unlike every system that rates better than us.   The fact is it the public system is universally cheaper as our system is the most expensive on the planet and is the closest thing to what you seem to want.  When we did not have the ACA it was even worse and there is nothing that is laudable about it unless the metric you use is how much money it sucks out of the economy to serve the providers and insurance companies. Of course they are not free market they are crony capitalist inspired law written by banks for banks.  There is nothing progressive about them and a progressive system is what I am proposing not something that enriches those at the top to the cost of all.    Our economy collapsed after the same powers bought off our leadership who removed Glass–Steagall that was the wall separating investment banks for our money since the great depression.  It was the removal of regulation that punched the world in the fact not that we had too much.  Our system is owned by the highest bidder and the people who buy them spin the same deregulation garbage you are.  In fact you are probably sharing some of their talking points verbatim.  Less regulation is not the path to stop collapse, good regulation is.  Fraud perpetrated by the likes of the leeman brothers were root of our problem that crushed the world economy not housing for individuals. The whole homogeneous community thing has zero merit on a subject like giving everyone the same amount of money.  It makes no difference if you have one culture or a 100 the money and its effect is exactly the same.  There is no merit to this spin of yours and it is just attached anti multi cultural trope that only makes sense to a certain kind of mindset who is predisposed to buying into that nonsense.  The benefits clearly out weight the costs on this subject.  I am not sure what you are talking about in calling doctors and nurses monopolistic.  What would you be proposing by this spin?  This is what I am talking about when I say you make half baked assertions.    Um,  you have no idea what you are talking about.  We have the fed who is a private organization that we commission to give money to the banks. The banks do not give us anything and that is why we bailed them out after the put the car in the ditch not the other way round.  I am unsure of what the system is in Canada but I do know ours, your assertions are fact free.  We most certainly do give free loans to the banks all the time and most certainly did after the collapse.   You may rather pays as you go but the fact is you could only go once in our system as any major concern will bankrupt all but the very richest of us.  Pay as you go is a morns bet when in our system and may serve you fine for decades only to kill you leaving you broke in the end.   Singapore works because the government mandates universal care and directly controls costs.  That is key to any system that works and our has nothing of the kind and that is why it is the most expensive on the planet while letting 10's of millions fall between the cracks.  
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  490. Nathan Robinson Nonsense, the issue is there is no cost control.  Every single 1st world country has government spending as the primary driver of health care.  We are the ONLY one with the magnitude of our cost issue.  It is not government spending but non existent cost control. The money we spend on social programs is very low by 1st world standards and the raw numbers mean nothing against our income. Even Australia who is the only first world country on the list who spends less has universal health care.  So it is not a matter of how much we spend but how we spend it and who drives the regulations we apply.   Because our min wage is so low we actually are subsidizing companies like Walmart and McDonalds remuneration polices with food stamps.  Most of their employees makes so little while working full time hours they still qualify.  We spend little, we waste money because of bad policy and we still do not cover what the rest of the first word does. In the same way insurance drives up the cost of auto repair it drives up the cost of medicine too.  the argument that our costs are high because of government involvement in the industry is betrayed by the fact every other system is too and they do not pay nearly as much.   You need to explain how government is the fail for us but only us.   The mortgage crisis was brought on by the packaging and selling of mortgages known to be high risk as safe investments while at the same time they make bets on the crash.  This was not a fail of government policy outside the lack of provisions stopping this malfeasance.   Clinton was aided and abetted by the GOP who fully endorsed the policy and continue to push for more of the same in spite of the fail it has been proven to be.  They are part of the same system that has been systematically deregulating us while we have consistently slid backwards while a few at the top got obscenely richer. We did not have to bail them out at all.  What they did in Island is they arrested all the leadership involved and temporarily nationalized the banks.  They stabilized them and then made them private again to a new group of management.   They recovered much faster we did and their bailouts went to home owners not bankers.. It ended up changing the nature of the recovery where there it went to the population, here none of it did and all of the recovery flowed to the very top.   Disposing of common standards has not been the path to success for any system on the planet.  Not knowing the quality of your doctor or if they are even qualified may appeal to you but it does not sound like a sharp path forward for me. Again this has not been the solution for any success story you can point to so I wonder what you base this faith based assertion on.   Why would any of them do it cheaper if what they sell you literally can not live without.   Do you really want to be shopping for the cheapest unregulated heart surgery? Singapore is not REMOTELY free market. The government fully controls the costs of health care there.   Our drug problems are another example of crony capitalism at work.  Bush singed into the medicare extension that ensured the government did not have any right to negotiate for better prices for drugs. Our problem is not too much regulation or that we are too generous.  It is that corporations are writing our policy and they care about profit and nothing else.  
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  491.  A large segment of that faith community does not agree with you,  making blanket statements about Christianity position is not remotely valid when it is simple to demonstrate you are wrong. 
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  492. ace8842 That is just your opinion man.  A great many people who have as much right (and perhaps more) to call themselves Christians as you do are not in agreement.
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  493. Come on voyager was not that bad ..
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  494. This is your employer keeping your pay check, you may advocate for him to just work for free but this is news. If you do not like this content do not watch it.
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  495. Fauxtography101 I suppose, it just strikes me as thin skinned. These video's are pretty clearly labeled and if they bother you or they make you dislike the show I would humbly suggest you should not watch them. If I found them annoying that is what I would do. I suspect the number of viewers he loses will not be great and I am personally interested to hear about this issue as it evolves. This is his first post on the subject in 2 weeks, it is basically an update. Is this really too much for you?
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  496. +Alex Lowey Being skeptical of Russian spin is the only sane option.  Our main stream is corrupt but the state sponsored media of Russia is at the very least suspect.   Yelling "brain washed" about a valid concern is empty you have no reason to be certain of your position at all.
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  497. But not generic drugs right?  There is a reason many go across the boarder to get drugs that are way expensive here.  When you are in a system where you play NOTHING for your doctor a slightly more expensive flange is not so painful.  Please note what you pay is not what hospitals in Canada do. They get better prices as the private market in Canada for those products is not as developed.   For the average consumer of those goods through the hospital the costs are not what you paid.  But overall when it comes to costs associated with medical care there is no comparing both countries even if you factor in taxes as long as you include Americans health insurance costs.
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  498. justun chan Fine then he is a myth who has coins minted with his face on it. The fact it the amount of historical evidence of these two men are not remotely balanced.  We do dismiss most historical figures who have very poor documentation,  some we once believed were real we now think were not.  Such is the nature of this kind of study.  The historical Jesus is a very poorly documented figure by any standard, find me a coin with his face on it and we can talk.  
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  499. justun chan You can assert it is bias but it is not innately biased.  There is no reason for both cultures to support the idea of him.  Go ahead and explain that bias to me because I can bet good money it is not nearly as iron clad as the bias supporting you.   None of the bible counts anything as a historical document.  It was never intended to be one and has been edited and translated by partisans to serve a focused end.  None of that validates it as historical evidence. You are mistaken about the kinds of historians who are not starting to call the existence of Jesus into question.  I take your claims with a grain of salt as you are part of the same crowd who consistently denies anything that dares to question your dogma.  This makes you and those like you poor researchers as time and again you only see what supports your predefined narrative.  Jesus may be real but know the bible does not count as the historical document you imagine it does.
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  500. justun chan It was not long ago saying he did not exist would have seen you ostracized by the entire establishment because it would be considered an attack on unquestionable dogma.   Biblical experts do not impress me it is from that same crowd we get pronouncements like the world is 6000 years old in spite of all evidence to the contrary.  You can dismiss the work of those who now postulate that Jesus never existed as a man at all.  That does not change the value of their work or that they are gaining ground.  There is nothing ignorant in asking questions about topics that until recently we have never been allowed to be question.
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  501. justun chan All ideas that question the standard way of thinking start off as minority positions.   There is as much money or even more in supporting the claim he lived and was real.  The idea that there is not a financial intensive on both sides basically sets us up to look at the arguments on their own merits. I myself have looked at a great many claims that validate the existence of Jesus and they are for the most part attached to claims made by the bible and documents associated with the church.  If you are questioning the motives of those who are asking valid questions many of which we do not have good answers for you are forced to do so for the side that says he exists too while consistently profiting from it.  There is no historical record of the crucifixion outside the bible,  There is no validation for him rising from the grave outside the bible.  And explosion of a cult that was one of many at the time is not a compelling argument as it  just as likely it speaks to quality of a good leader who was successful rather than as proof Jesus ever lived. I personally am not convinced either way but there are some really interesting questions coming out of the historians who are looking at it from this new angle.
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  502. justun chan Because we had a couple millennia where even questioning it would get you killed.  The bible is a sales manual crafted to push a religion formed in a way that suited its editors and translators.  it is not a historical document and a great many of what should be verifiable anecdotes have no supporting evidence at all.  According to Luke's Gospel, the young couple traveled to Bethlehem to take part in the census under Qurinius. However, historians have established that Quirinius was not governor of Syria, nor in any senior position in the province at the time Herod ruled Judea. There have been no archaeological finds that would dispute this. Raymond E. Brown (An Introduction to the New Testament) says there never was a census of the whole Empire under Augustus (but a number of local censuses) and the census of Judea under Quirinius, the governor of Syria, took place in 6-7 CE, probably at least ten years too late for the birth of Jesus.  The actual historical record does not validate the claims of the bible. This is one example of why I would hesitate to use it as a historical document.  The crucifixion is not in stone either.  There is zero independent verification that it occurred.  It is not the slam dunk you imagine it is.
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  503. justun chan That is not the consensus I see when I do research on it  There were census a half decade to either side but none of them required anyone to journey home to do it.   The idea of forcing them to travel to Bethlehem as part of the process is not  backed up by anything outside the bible.  If such a critical part of the story is not supported by anything else it calls into question the veracity of the story in its entirety. There are key parts of the story that fall apart.  It is not necessarily that the timing that is off (even if it is somewhat of a concern) but the whole reason that the baby was born in a manger that does not jive.  If you can not see an issue with that I am not sure what I can say to you that will cause you to question the bible as a historically accurate document. When elements of any text are clearly fabricated or not attached to anything else that can verify them, single sources are not generally not considered definitive.  Like all study individual verification is the key to claiming authenticity and that the bible gets a few names right (and some wrong) does not change the fact it asserts a lot of things that are not recorded anywhere else.
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  504. justun chan Except that is not just some scientists agreeing on a philosophical point.  It is verified by the fact everyone who bothers to look at the data and assertions from any angle are not able to refute them successfully.  It is not just a show of hands but data so conclusive there is only fake opposition to it built on ignorance in service unverifiable religious assertions.
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  505. justun chan The evidence is very very thin.  The fact is even if we had first hand accounts that the Romans executed a man with his name (and we most certainly don't) it would not verify any of the fantastic claims made in his name.   Case in point, very few scholars refute the existence of L. Ron Hubbard.  That does not make you believe what is said about him or that his teachings have merit.
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  506. justun chan Pardon my french but bullshit.  I have seen people make this statement before but it is always fact free.  No one but an apologist will make that statement as it not backed by anything but ignorance. Unlike Christ, we know what Caesar looked like and we have a complete history of his life.  We have words known to be written by Caesar himself and words written by both his friends and his enemies. Artifacts confirm his life and death, as do his successors.   July is named for Julius Caesar. August is named for Augustus Caesar.  Evidence that confirms the existence of Caesar is legion this is in stark contrast to the utter dearth of evidence for Jesus.
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  507. justun chan Julius, Augustus, who were you talking about, you brought him up?  We have their image on coins, we have those coins to hold and look at. We have statues made while they lived.  You should have a look around since you seem interested in actual history probably for the first time. Here is a link to Julius Caesar writings. http://www.forumromanum.org/literature/caesarx.html  Google this stuff and look for yourself. No sane historian who is not selling bibles I can find says the same nonsense as you do.   The closest we can get to a contemporary account of Jesus is 95 years after he died.  Sorry that is not very compelling.  There is nothing ignorant about what I am saying and it you who is making ignorant assertions.  Like I have said before even if he did exist it does not validate any of your nonsense anyway.  The bottom line is even if he did live his historical presence is poorly validated.  Outside the bible most of the references to Jesus we have were penned hundreds of years after he supposedly died and none of then are contemporary to his life, NONE.
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  508. justun chan Like a said in an earlier post even if your consensus was true (and I do not agree with the assessment of your scholar nor do I think his view is definitive) it does nothing to validate your more fantastic assertions about him or the veracity of the bible stories assigning him divinity or magic powers.  When you make the bold claim he is the most validated of historical figures, that is simply not true. 
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  509. justun chan You don't have to because it logically follows the assertion of him being real for Christians.   I read the detail of why the atheist you reference thinks he exists but he bases much of his thesis on the bible as little other data exists period as I asserted.  If you discount the bible there is the same about proof of Jesus as any other rabbi of the time. I have not agreed he exists and the data that validates him when the bible is taken out of the equation is almost non existent.  My skeptisism is still intact as I see the bible as a religion propaganda and sales manual and like all manifesto's of its kind it is more about selling than truth.  There is nothing ingorant in my statements and you have not invalidated even one of my assertions.  Theists should not talk about ignorance when most of what they sell is based on a willful version of just that.
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  510. justun chan After reading his papers he cites almost exclusively circumstantial evidence (as there very little hard evidence by his own admission)  "Real christian" is naked a no true Scotsman fallacy as you do not get to define the term or exclude people because of your spin on the dogma.  With out the bible there is almost no evidence of Jesus. The bible is a christian sales manual so any discussion about this subject is only verifiable if you include.  I have not "LOST"" as the actual evidinice is sketch to non existent and the only way it is verified is through inference from a text with no author wholly designed to assert his divinity.  Take the bible out of the mix and you have practically nothing.  This in now way definitively validates your assertions. 
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  511. justun chan No, I still have coins and the writings of those he fought against. I have statues and lots if independent confirmation of his existence.  The bible is a single book that is a sales manual promoting the guy as god,  to take it's assertions literally without independent confirmation is basing your assertions on shaky ground at best.   I actually read some of Tim's papers on your confirmation and as I have pointed out his evidence is circumstantial and extrapolated rather than overt.  He makes good points but none of them are definitive and always can be explained by other means than his conclusion.  I do not have to know something he does not, I simply have to disagree with his assessment of the individual reasons he uses to come to his conclusions, and a I do.  This is not about education as i can read his assertions and decide how much merit to assign them based on his own reasoning and stated assumptions.  This is how these debates work and if he did not agree with your base statement we both know you would dismiss him out of hand without even going through the trouble I have in researching it. 
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  512. justun chan If the bible was 100 sets of independently confirming sets of information you could make it the same as the whole of Hellenistic or Greco-Roman history but it is not.   I do not reject christian related evidence but I do reject the bible as there is no proof og it's assertions were contemporary to the events and there is good reason to question if much of it was fabricated in service to the goal of the compiled book.  At best it's claims have to be questioned and put in context of who edited and distributed the stories as they were finally cataloged.  It is a religious sales manual that claims it is divinely inspired truth when many key points can not be independently confirmed at all.  An example of an objection to the spin of Tim's paper is about his take on the crucifixion.  At the time it was the worst of the worst ways to kill any criminal and reserved exclusively for non Romans. He argues that if it was written by Christians why would they choose that as it would mean their Christ was killed in a very unsavory way and they would be embarrassed about that.  That is an argument that does not ring true to me.  The reason they may have chosen that way of death is precisely because it is so heinous and makes the claim he was like the  everyman the early church appealed to.  He makes assessments like this throughout the entire article and each can be interpreted in other ways than his choice.  None of them are definitive and that he chooses the interpretation he does is fine but does not validate you in the way you think it does. Your argumentum ad populum is not very compelling as I have read the opposing position that is still widely held despite your spin and do not agree.   There are plenty of modern scholars who do not see it your way at all.  I would be surprised if you even knew what they said as it does not seem you know they exist, come out of the cave indeed. I am not the one making fact free assertions like Jesus is one of the most validated people of ancient history. 
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  513. justun chan Why would one expect the story to treat the "real messiah" and asserted son of god like a traditional Jewish rabbi.  This man is the antithesis of the existing religious leadership of the time and distinguishing him from them and making his death as bizzare and shocking has value in itself especially if you want to appeal to non roman citizens.  The thing is it is not an everyday punishment it is an extraordinary one.  It is one reserved for non Romans and was considered the worst kind of death.  Sounds exactly the ticket if one was dreaming up a story about vicarious redemption.  It does not discredit them as inauthentic but it makes his argument weak.  That it is non standard and that there was a taboo around the practice does not mean it is not a good choice for the those who made a story.  It is not a surprising choice from my perspective as few other popular ways of executing him would be more brutal of have a better quality to say what they wanted to say.  His argument that they would not use it if it was not real is weak at best as there are plenty of good reasons for them to have done so. As far as being accurate and contemporary the bible has neither of these two arrows in its quiver.  It is not authenticated to the era and could have been written long after the events from an oral tradition.  There is no validated authorship for any of the stories and no one who is not claiming inerrancy looks at the bible as a historical document with out skepticism. 
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  514. justun chan Sure there are several, hell Wikipedia on the subject lists at least 5 contemporary individuals.   Take a look yourself as it seems you are not very up to speed about the assertions of the other side. Arguments to authority have little value in a debate where you have non yourself.  Please note there is NO REFERENCE to Christ before 95 years, not one.  So anyone studying " sources, and written within a hundred years of Christ' own death" are hiding them pretty well as I can fine no reference to them anywhere.  Please point me in the correct direction for a reference if you can as all sources I have can find point to Josephus as the first. I have already given you two.  Another would be Alexander the Great who minted some of the first coins with the image of the ruler on them.  The fact is you do not value data in the same way I do.  You desperately seek to turn your sales manual into a historical document when it was never meant to be one and has was assembled and edited by a group of politicians toward their own uses.  It lack of authorship, original documents or the fact we know whole books were ignored.   That it was translated and reinterpreted over and over it is a 2000 year old game of telephone. My point about Tim's argument was not about the veracity of the execution.  His assertions was that it was so odd it made the story likely to be true as there was no reason to make it up.   I disagree with him as a hard death was exactly what they would want for the story and I disagree with his reasoning as it is unsound. Christianity was a pretty radical offshoot of Judaism.  It appealed to a certain mindset and continues to today.   The statement "Jewish traditionalism that it does NOT support a myth alternative at all.  It's beyond the Jewish mindset to falsify claims of a messiah only to be crucified by the Romans" is foolish.  There was nothing "traditional" about Jesus story and that was part of his appeal.   Arguing no one would falsify claims of a messiah is silly as there were plenty of them and they all could not be the real one.  Christianity was radical and different at the time.   They were to the jews what Mormonism or any other fringe non standard version of Christianity is to Christianity today.   
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  515. justun chan Your 25 year criteria is arbitrary but there are several, have a look at Wikipedia and you will see there are a few that have been studying for a long time not that it makes any difference.   You are not doing what evolution does.  The idea of evolution is backed by mountains of data that is accessible to you.  Multiple disciplines across multiple fields tested over and over for 100 years with no one refuting the theory.   The assertion of evolution validity is not just backed by numbers but cold hard data NO ONE has ever refuted.  As I have said time and again the mountains of hard data proving Christ simply does not exist.   I am not arguing to authority, I look at the data and the attempts to refute it and find there has never ever been a hole cut through it.   I have studied both what science says and what those who oppose it believe.   Until I see the idea soundly debunked I need not appeal to authority at all to hold my views.  I am sure they are respected by theists as they clamor for credibility garnered by having an impartial non dogmatic supporter.  That does not validate his assertions as definitive and the fact he has to work with a book of questionable historical value makes all of his claims based on it shakier than one would want them. Again you appeal to authority because you like what they say when he has no real data backing is weak.  His view is based on a extrapolation and not overt fact.  He makes a claim that may or may not have merit but will NEVER be definitive or incontrovertible.  I am not the only one who feels this way but the fact is anyone who does not agree with your spin is simply dismissed. 
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  516. justun chan Please.  Incorrectly and arbitrarily dismissing information that does not agree with you is business as usual for people with your spin. Your concern for scholarly credentials is directly attached to a desire to narrow the field to make it easier to support your unvalidated assertions.  From what I have seen of your claims and arguments you are more concerned about maintaining your point of view than understanding or even acknowledging the real debate.  The fact you have tried to compare the "Jesus was real" assertion to evolution or that you have made the ridiculous statement that he is the most validated of historical figures marks your spin as buried in fact free propaganda. 
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  517. justun chan Your comparison was flawed as one is a scientific theory backed by all that means and the other is a simply a contested consensus on an assertion built on conjecture and a primary source that is unquestionably biased. I do not believe in evolution, I except it based on the data that has never been overturned.  I do not have to take it on faith as I can study and see all the data for myself and I have to take no ones word on it.  The empirical data is there for you to look at and I am not going to give you a basic biology course when you will willfully ignore all I have to share.  If you are honestly interested in answering the questions you ask open a freeken book and shed your ignorance.  I do not appeal to experts at all as I have the raw and one hundred and fifty years of unrefuted science backing it. The assertion about christ's existence is in question as history is not an exact science. That you choose to ignore anyone who has  discussed this subject in last 25 years sets the bar for your success very low.  I am not sure the majority does, perhaps you randomly eliminate everyone who does not agree for arbitrary reasons like the have not been studying long enough.   In any case your argumentum ad populum is of no concern to me because it is evidence that convinces me and you are lacking it.  As far as an explanation, I would imagine that most people who study this issue are linked to religion in some way.  It is not off the bubble given what Christians do to actual science in the name of their dogma that they are just making stuff up to suit their narrative.  In any case there are lots of reasons to hold your  view besides it is true.  You know this too. 
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  518. justun chan You are wrong in the case of something like validating Jesus.  The article by your athiest friend shows this clearly.  He extrapolates based on elements of the bible and makes assertions on them. These are not verifiable or testable assertions but simply opinions.  There is nothing empirical about his claims.  There are a great many arguments that are unanswered by your claims. http://nobeliefs.com/exist.htm  There is a debate that you ignore it does not make it go away. 
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  519. justun chan He said some secular freethinkers and atheists .. and most Christians .. that does not validate you.  There is never evidence of a something not existing.  Only a lack of evidence it did.  Most scholars do not think Atlantis was a real place not because it is disproved but because the evidence of it is non existent. The bible is almost all of your evidence and if you reject that you have virtually nothing.  That was the point of the statement you quote .. it hilarious you read it and miss the point so badly.   
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  520. justun chan There is some dispute if he was real or not.  There are a limited number of references to him but we do have several of them including from his enemies.  So I would say yes and agree with the consensus he does. 
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  521. justun chan If you do not take the bible as historically accurate than that is most CERTAINLY NOT true.
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  522. justun chan No I would say it had limited value as a scholarly argument.  I would not deny they wrote it but its contents would be questionable and of little value on the subject of the validity any assertions based on it about cancer. I have responded to your non biblical accounts.  Not sure what you are talking about as you have not produced anything earlier than the earliest one I have already referenced.  That is Josephus in 93 AD .. are you are going to give me the details on the ones I apparently fail to comment on.
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  523. justun chan On what planet is 93 ad contemporary?    Contemporary means living in the time of Christ.    Written at the in the living time of is the standard we are describing.  93 is the earliest, meaning the writer could not have lived in the time of Jesus.  None of them of are contemporary. After nonsense like you just posted you should avoid calling anyone names.
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  524. justun chan It is NOT contemporary by definition.  The word has an actual meaning and you are not correct using it the way you do.  You could say relatively contemporary or the most contemporary but you can not label any of the data you have as contemporary because it is NOT.   Your bullshit about what we have is not true. If Jesus had actually existed, at least one of the approximately 30 local historians of the first century would have written about him.  The silence of the actual contemporary writers is deafening and we have writings from them just none of them mention the guy even though he was performing miracles in their back yard. I have answered your questions and that you imagine someone writing about a 93 year old cult derived from Judaism is a slam dunk shows your clear bias.
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  525. justun chan The trouble with "biblical scholarship" is that scholars often go into their research with certain expectations, or the intent to prove a pre-existing idea, rather than simply analyzing the evidence to see what was or wasn't. If you are searching archeological or historical records as a "believer", then you will accept virtually anything you find that even hints that your belief is correct. This is not only true of religious people or scholars, but everyone. Humans in general are most likely to collect and compile evidence that supports what they already believe. The truth of the matter is that there is no irrefutable physical evidence of an historical Jesus, and indeed no way to be certain that he was a figure different from an historical Joshua, as the two names are the same in Hebrew. If there was an historical Jesus then that man's story was likely muddled and compounded upon by other stories and myths throughout the ages, such as that of Mithra or Horus.
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  526. They do not listen to anything that does not agree with the predefined spin fed to them from "trusted" sources.
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  527. Should it be illegal to do this?  Once one is 18 keeping you anywhere against your will is a crime.   Am I missing something here?
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  528. ***** The religious crazies have no one else to vote for .. it is as close as they are going get.
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  529. Nathan MacAulay The cons all read from the same playbook because conservatives no matter where they are from are driven by the same imperatives.  Fear of the unknown, fear of the other, fear of their god, fear is a big part of their life and appealing to it is critical for their leadership even in the more mild version Canada has.
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  530. +1984vsAk47 What I want is an idea that is validated by more than a self serving text promoting the guy as god.
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  531. Or when we used the trains to colonize the country or when we use air travel to go around the world,  or when we take ships to far off destinations.  Your spin is not as solid as you make it sound. The fact we often do not have control of the vehicles we travel in and this would be no different.
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  532. This clown is not getting anywhere near the presidency anyway.   If the GOP actually chose this loser they would get creamed as he is not viable in a general election.   I would welcome them choosing this moron.  
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  533. At least he is consistently a troll or a moron or both.
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  534. Or suck it up and do his job.
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  535. Islam is just a tool used by a brand of fanatics, the religon itself like all faiths can be twisted into a monstrocity and it is not a feature of the religon itself just a type of it. You are ignoring the fact christianity can be painted with the same failure if you choose to blame the whole religon and not just a vurienet form fundmentalism that exists in both as the root of all religous problems
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  536. Kyle is fine, check out his patrion..
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  537. Lol, you are fact free.  The NW passage that once was sought and gave up on as it did not exist is now open year round because of melting ice.  The idea that ice breakers are having more problems with stranded ships than normal is not validated by anything but your assertion or perhaps a massive increase in traffic.  The ice cap is shrinking at an astounding rate and that you are claiming it is growing is bizzare.  If we are looking at  the real money to be made it is in denial and the fossil fuel companies can spare no expense in stopping us from making changes as they stand to lose trillions.   You are right it is not about facts but money but not in the way you think.
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  538. Rod Martin, Jr. Fuck, welcome to earth as it is clear you are either working of 10 year old info or do not care you have no clue what you are talking about.  That you imagine we live in an ice age marks you as the dumb one.  The ice has been retreating for a long time, it has just hyper accelerated in the last short period.  Get a clue before calling anyone dumb. 
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  539. Delta Fox Nonsense,  you are going to have to do a better job to invalidate the consensus than that.
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  540. Delta Fox who am I?  I am someone who has taken a great deal of time and effort researching this subject from as many perspectives as I could find, this is opposed to you who appears wholly ignorant judging by your weak and terribly slanted spin. Consensus when talking about science refers to the opinion of the majority of non aligned actual scientists who study a given subject.   A consensus is formed when the data strongly favours a postulation to bring the informed majority onside.  It is not a political term and that you do not know that does not mark you as having any clue what we discuss. This is not about the government or public consensus formed by a democracy.  Scientists march to the beat of empiricism not popularity, not ideology.  You are the one spitting discredited racist nonsense and babbling about being brain washed is not compelling as you spew discredited self serving garbage.   
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  541. Delta Fox Consensus defines what scientists a body by specialty say is true about the subjects they study.  If as a published scientist your spin is discredited it is discredited for empirical reasons and it is not a club where ideology over data rules like the circles of the racists who promote your spin. The books you cited are fully discredited as valuable data that defines genetically based ethnic differences. The studies that dismissed their value in making assertions about ethnic groups are well documented and available for you and everyone to read.  This is not a conspiracy and you are not arguing on the side of empiricism.  Scientific consensus is based on fact and the evaluation of the entire set of available data as well as the peer reviews of said data.  You and your mates can have whatever consensus you want.   Your agreement is different than a scientific consensus because science is based on informed choice and yours is based on empty conjecture.  You are not the same.   I do not care who you dated as you share discredited nonsense used to prop up empty racist arguments that have no voice except in an ignorant racist bubble.  As you spread the spin and talking points of overt racists you run the risk being associated with them.  Being you are not a racist perhaps it is time to look at who your allies in this are and come to realize they are not honest actors. These people have a distinct and irrefutable agenda and blaming the "liberal scientific  establishment" of being biased reeks of projection. I am not concerned about what ever you mean by feed my "back door".  You may not be one of these consistently dishonest race loonies like almost everyone who shares your spin but in this context it amounts to a distinction without a difference.  My assumption you were racist too is reasonable.  In my experience I have come to consistently dislike the people who share your spin,  I suspect that has colored my responses and if I my leaked distain is making it hard to communicate with me I apologise. 
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  542. Delta Fox You were fact free in your last comment and did not "upset" anyone.  Facts are not something you value as soon it is shown yours are cherry picked nonsense.  It is pretty funny you compare a large group like the Muslims to what I have described as the scientific consensus.  They could not be less alike in how they come to their   You do see that they are more like  you than the scientists don't you?  You and the religious nut jobs you point at both base your ideas on ideology and your gut and not empiricism.  You both have an agenda that forces you to ignore facts. Scientists base their consensus on all the information at hand as well as multiple detailed evaluations of that data.  That is not what you and the Muslims who are equally as fact based as you balance their world view on. What you have shared here does not mark you as informed and talking about anyone else being mislead is projection personified.  The fact is this robs your already empty denial of the value of informed consensus of its value. 
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  543. Delta Fox Sure .. they did.   What is your point? 
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  544. Delta Fox There have been many warming's and cooling's.  The context for them is pretty well understood and we are getting more information on this all the time.  The concern about this warming period is its speed and that it is on a temperature arc strait up that if unchecked will see massive changes in the worlds weather and regional living conditions.  "Global warming" is buzz phrase attached real and measurable very sizable changes in global temperature.  The only debate and that is not even a level debate is if it is man caused.  Again data does not match your ideology because the peer reviewed vast consensus climatologists agree that we are contributing to it.  The people you argue on behalf are the same clowns who fought the idea smoking causes cancer,  you have been duped. 
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  545. Delta Fox It is very complex and that you want things to be simple does not change that.   Our ice caps are thinner than any time in human history and continue to shrink at an alarming rate.   You have clearly bought into the oil company spin and are effectively making the using the same delay of argument fail that cigarette companies made about cancer and using talking points made up by the very same players they hired to slow down change.   So to answer your question,  it did melt as it will in all points temp rises.  That it did not melt as fast or as much as it is now undermines your argument to look away, nothing to see here. 
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  546. Very nicely said.
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  547. ***** Driven by support for the oil industry which has a great deal of power. 
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  548. PixelDansIronFist Pipe dreams not attached to reality.  The Swiss militia is not a community organization but a national one.   Geography and politics of the area have a great deal to do with the number of times they were invaded too.  If they were not a unified nation and were just a bunch of non managed city's each with a militia you could bet the number of times they would have been clobbered would be much higher. The idea anarchy will support the kind of comfort, connectivity and prosperity we expect in the modern world is not achievable as you crush the economy of scale a unified society offers with your non structure, it simply is not the way forward.  Your estimation about what would happen if we implemented your system is entirely faith based and would never survive contact with reality in the way you expect it will.  Most people who take a second glance at your spin see that. 
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  549. Janos Valentine Yes and they are all same kind of pipe dream communism was in that it would never survive contact with reality.  Human greed will corrupt it as surely as it has ever other idealistic spin.   As soon as you have someone anyone enforcing law they are using "force" to maintain your system at this point it is no different than what you loathe.  As soon as you have someone that has a product that everyone must have they have power over their customers.  The entire spin is idealistic hokum that will never be enacted in the way honest people like you who advocate for it think it will.
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  550. Janos Valentine That you list every other group besides yours as fascist goes to show you do not know what the term means. You are right people formed nations for mutual protection and to advance trade.  The economic and social spinoffs of such organizations were key drivers in the development of tech that simply would never have been built or at least widely incorporated without it.   Saying it is not possible is as valid as saying it is.  The fact is it is not really desirable to many and that is its main stumbling block.  People are working together now and that you imagine you are reinventing the wheel is a joke.
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  551. +JustCause:Reason They choose words carefully all the time to build a narrative, the right is very good at this and Frank Luntz made a whole career of it for the GOP over the last decade. To pretend this is something the right does not do is false and stinks of turning a blind eye.
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  552. JustCause:Reason This is not the first case of these same school boards manipulating the curriculum.  This is done all the time.  Education boards in Texas  have o changed the narrative in their text books to better suit a political spin.  This not a one off case but business as usual.  Next time you hear a con spit liberals are trying to indoctrinate our kids nonsense know projection is an innate fault they suffer from. Nothing paranoid or conspiratorial about what I said the tone of the entire passage not just the first use of "workers" as a term to described slaves but the spin of the entire continuing passages.  
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  553. JustCause:Reason Not about race per se but the pushing of a specific historical spin that does not benefit from the emphasis on slavery.  I am concerned about the fact when they talk about these people as workers it wholly misrepresents what the enslaved lived with.  One does not have to be racially motivated to object to a education with a political tone that equates slaves with workers.
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  554. JustCause:Reason You are the only one talking about racism here.  
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  555. This clown will not be missed. He really was a whole bucket load of stupid.
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  556. He is laughing at a whiny bitch crying,  she made her bed no one has to feel bad that she now has to lie in it.
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  557. Come on ...
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  558. RocketRadioShow1 Fact free nonsense.
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  559. Most people who claim to atheists do not "know" anything they just do not believe in an invisible intangible magic guy like theists do.   The tides, sickness, child birth were once thought the providence of god alone and as we learned about the world around us we determined we did not need faith to explain any of these things. The idea that because something is complex it should be explained by your particular version of a magic is not validated by history. Religion has been on the wrong side of every debate it has ever been in against rationality and has a terrible track record on explaining things in way that helps humanity.  We  should follow the evidence and not gut feelings.  If the theists were to produce evidence that validates the existence of god besides a set of  bronze age texts compiled into a book by a group of politicians many who are skeptical would very likely change their mind.  The fact is that evidence dos not exist. I do not KNOW there is no god but I would expect some excellent proof before I ever committed to a concept as far fetched the one proposed by most religions. In the mean time the idea of god is very tough sell to the those that question blind adherence to authority.  This is not because anyone has proof there is no deity but because theists extraordinary claims do not have any evidence to support them.
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  560. ***** There are lots more choices than two.  The fact is the god one has a viscerally good feel to it but has fundamentally more unresolvable issues than several proposed and viable ideas on how a form abiogenesis may have occurred. The fact is a magic guy in the sky wishing everything into being is far less likely than what you call impossible.  This likely hood falls to next to zero as you apply your particular flavor the architect. You saying "every scientist knows abiogenesis is impossible" while espousing magic is not a very compelling argument.
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  561. ***** It is technical but if you want there are some really interesting ideas and NONE of them include the need for magic.  Your statement that all scientists "know" abiogenesis is impossible is simply fact free. Would you care to do some actual reading much of which you probably will not understand?  I can give you links but diving into the muck and details of these kind of ideas but it does not really sound like it is your forte. The fact is there is no certainty and we are just starting to look at the issue or have the skills and tools  to even comprehend how it could work. There are several very interesting if unverified ideas that have much more merit than throwing our hands up and saying my local deity must have done it.  Let me know if you want to look at the information, it is in fact out there.
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  562. philosophicalreason Actually I am in agreement with you science could and should do a better job of explaining itself in ways that are easier to understand. Science is good at what it does but religion does a better job of sales of it's answers because it is in effect  pure marketing when that is not what most scientists do at all. This issue is not really about smart or dumb but is a function of ignorance and a lack of information that is easily understandable to the layman. I think that is why guys like Neil deGrasse Tyson and Bill Nye are important as they are communicators who can put complex subjects into a frame most people can understand.  Science needs to do a better job explaining itself for the tides to turn away from support of superstition over real evidence.
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  563. philosophicalreason My opinion is that we need to follow where the evidence leads us and if that means turning things on their head so be it.  That is the true beauty of science that religion will never be able to match in so much as it is not set in stone but is driven by what we learn as we are encouraged to continue to look.  It is a truism that the more you learn the more you realize there is more to know.  The search is a journey that is eminently worth undertaking because it is a process of growth few other human explorations can match in value and the potential for understanding our universe around us
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  564. Blue Cranes Better standard of living, better health care, better education, lower income disparity, limited control of fundamentalist elements in government, etc, etc,   How is it any worse ...
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  565. Blue Cranes I support Marxists like you support common sense.   The oligarchy of the former soviet union is a fascist state and has as much to do with communism as nazi Germany did.  The Chinese also have a bastardized system built on the ruins of a never to be seen success that was communism there.  They have a weird hybrid now that kept all the authoritarianism and through out any concept the people deserve anything.  Companies are bought and sold all the time, why should Solara be any different.  For every failure like solara hundreds of success can be pointed out since with the policy of helping energy companies get a foot hold all the way back to the 1950's.  The vast bulk of all money spent went to oil and gas and they received 70% of all money spent since then.  No more whining about Solara or Obama giveaways when this has been business as usual for 60 years except fox and the right wing talking heads moan about this one case.  
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  566. He is free to have hair how he wants. She does not own a hair style and needs to "check her privilege" on any claim of appropriation. He does not need to ask you if his hair is ok and should not be expected to try. That he had to defend himself at all is the issue, not that he did not have a good answer to this bizarre criticism.
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  567. ***** lol, only because I am very selfless.
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  568. acurisur It is just as much nonsense with dust as clay,  just saying.
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  569. He is certainly at the top of the list.
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  570. Good for them, it is nice to know the crazies are not in charge every where.
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  571. I can not vote against Paul in that case just to deny the GOP the chance to put another clown like Alito on the bench. 
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  572. They are all terrible .. 
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  573. ***** Well then your opinion is devoid of value.  Children do not care about having the sex of their parents and do not even understand the concept until pretty late. They care about having a loving and caring family and what sex their parents are has nothing to do with that..  Why would a child pine for something they never had or even understand?  I know gay parents who are raising happy bright children well adjusted children and they do not spend a minute wishing for anything of the kind.  Your narrow view does not even make sense to them.
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  574. ***** There is nothing to back up the spin having a male and female is necessary or even preferable.  What really matters is the parents commitment to raise children and the value it has in their lives.  Like all parents who really want their children and have to take special measures to have them gay parents are more inclined to do a better job just because they are completely invested in the process.  The idea that both parents hold traditional roles is correlated with better outcomes, that is my point.
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  575. ***** Ya but they do not need to be married or even in the same household.  Let me be the first to inform you there are plenty of options to have children that do not involve a husband and wife to procreate.  No one is a better parent because of their sexual predilection but good parents universally want and appreciate their children.   There are of course good parents that fit into the traditional model but any parent that has to jump through hoops to have a child will appreciate them that much more.  That is why gay parents on the average have children that do well, better than those who end up with baby but consider it a burden.   There can not be two biological parents of the same gender but we both know this is not the only kind of parent there is and there is not rational justification in maligning non biological family relationships.
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  576. ***** The days of us being a slave of biology are passing us by.  Many traditional parents who once would not be able to have children for any number of reasons regularly have them today by using any number of methods.  There is no justification to imagine these parents are any less capable than those who conceived their children traditionally.  Again the fact that parents who have to go to extraordinary measures to have children tend to be more invested in them because of the commitment required just to have them means their children tend to do very well.  Since gay couples directly fall into this same group we should not be surprised to see that their children also happen to do well too. It is not couples respective sex that matters but their commitment to being good parents.
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  577. ***** I would argue that when it comes to parenting the differences between homosexual and heterosexual relationships  have no bearing in the minds of their children or their ability to succeed later on.  When I say we were a slave to biology I mean we had few choices and were forced to take the hand we were dealt.  A couple that once would have gone childless can now get invetro and have childern.  A man that loses his testicles can save his sperm before hand and still have a child later on.  At one point we had neither of these options and we were a trapped by the limitations of nature.   This boils down to the fact we are not limited to the conventional ways of impregnation and this opens up many options for all couples that have trouble conceiving including gay ones.
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  578. Sjon Blackwell Vaccinations are about saving lives and taking out disease that should already be eradicated if everyone got their shots. I am not on the side of big pharma and much of what you said is true. This is not the same as wiping out communicable bugs and should do so.
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  579. Sjon Blackwell Fuck that, those who wish to be ignorant of the science and not get vaccinated can live away from the general public.  If you are going to be the reason scourges like polio and small pox survive to infect those who can not or have not been  inoculated you should not be mixing with the general public.  I will always fight for the right of someone to be ignorant as long as it harms no one else.
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  580. Sjon Blackwell His point is for some people it does not work and they are put at risk by those who "decide" not to get the shot.  The denier group is a safe harbor where deadly disease that should be wiped out lives.  Their decision to not get vaccinated puts others at risk.  
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  581. Where is this stipulation about the mothers age you just made up?   It makes no sense as a young american is just as american as an older one.  If a child has a child then they can not bestow their citizenship onto them?  That is a bizarre assertion with zero merit.   If you are a birther and have problems with Obama being president because of his birth then you have to have the same issues Cruz or it shows what your real concern is.  It is ok we never though you were principled anyway.
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  582. Ōkami-san None of that bull about "ALL economic data show that when the minimum wage is raised, all that happens is the price of everything goes up" is true.  In actuality the numbers say that it increases economic activity as the people at that wage level spend all their money putting it back into the economy. The spin you share is what the think tanks said but never manifested in the places where they were raised.  The cost of raising the min wage is nominal on a per person bases and the fact is we are already paying for the Mcdonalds and Walmart workers in the form of food stamps. Pay when we buy or pay a little more for products we are better off with more money circulating than less. No one who works full time should be below the poverty line.   You can label the basic minimum wage "anti freedom" but your spin is not connected to reality.  
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  583. fail!
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  584. Abortion is never immoral Lol, fuck Jesus? go ahead he is not my type.
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  585. Abortion is never immoral Pay up front.
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  586. Betting not .. he is not black.
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  587. There is no liberal agenda,  there is a right wing corporate agenda and a less right wing corporate agenda.    When our "Liberal" president only enacts right to center right policy on almost every issue and the media says nothing about it there is no liberal agenda in play.
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  588. ***** None of them are liberal and all of them are corporatist,  fox is just the best at it.   
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  589. Um, does not exist there is no recent North American outbreak .. Dude is clueless of lying, neither should surprise anyone.
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  590. lol, he will never get close to the job.  The man is general election toxin.
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  591. Money is not against it,  that some jobs will go the way of the dodo that is actually an incentive to those who make the calls.    The power that is will see no downside with this tech,  this is not the kind of tech that takes money from the 1% who own our system and you can count on their support for the development.
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  592. lex811117 They do not stand to make less money, why would you imagine they do?  They stand to have less claims,  bet that actually appeals to them.
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  593. lex811117 There is a no promise for no accidents, just fewer of them.  Insurance would still be necessary.  Profits are generated on the money they keep.  The prices could drop a great deal while protecting their profits as costs would be way down.   The cost of payouts is a significant portion of the cost of insurance. Administrative costs are a relative drop in the bucket representing a smal % of the costs.  They could reduce the price of insurance while retaining profit with little effort.  There is no reason for them t oppose this initiative, actually they should probably be some of the first to be on side.
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  594. Spaniard SRK Yes because he is such a tool case it would be great if he won.
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  595. SOSASOSAist And gobs of them are total loonies by most standards.
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  596. brandnutopian He hates facts and does not value them.
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  597. whyamimrpink78 lol, You would have to to hold the positions you do.   The bottom line is you have your gut and do not value them.
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  598. Alonso Quintero None of it is impossible and there are several excellent ways that communication could be secured and limited to your specific device.  There are technical challenges but if we have actually produced a working driver-less car the kind of security you are talking about will be be the easy part.
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  599. metamech Being called dummy by you is meaningless.  Just so you know. 
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  600. magorkel I take anyone who is arguing against reality seriously especially as they pretend to be clever or think that they are making a good point.  Of course you are not trying this, you have no fucking clue and do not have an argument.
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  601. kathy kelly Nothing misleading, what has been shared is not remotely false. That she has been doing this for a couple years does not change the valid concerns raised about her appointment.
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  602. kathy kelly She is a home school support in charge of public education.  If you do not see a contradiction in this I do not think I can explain it to you.  This has nothing to do with Obama.
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  603. kathy kelly Yes he should because he was elected to represent the entire population including many who count on public schools to educate their children.  As a duly chosen representative for all of us he is bound to weigh in on subjects that effect his constituency.  But that being said this is not an issue with Obama but an unelected individual running a system she does not subscribe to at all.  There is a big difference that you can not see it does not change that.
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  604. Google it,  but the crib notes it is a fundamentalist christian university.  Liberty University teaches young Earth creationism as an explanation for the appearance of life on earth. The university works with young Earth creationist organizations including Answers in Genesis.  In biology classes students are taught both creationism and evolution and that creationism offers a better explanation of biological diversity than evolution.  It is school for those not well connected to reality.  
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  605. Dey Cross Yep that is them .. they had to be forced to allow interracial couples at the risk of funding before they broke on the issue.  You have the perfect picture of them now.
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  606. Dey Cross They earn it in spades.
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  607. Dey Cross They are examples of how much damage this mindless movement can do.  To get a degree from liberty university is to put a stamp on your head that hurts you everywhere except in the fact free bubble they have created.
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  608. Every idea does not deserve equal time. The merit of the idea and it's connection to verifiable evidence should be factored in.  When someone believes anything is true for no other reason than they have faith in the idea it means their assertions can not pass the sniff test that science requires.  All faith based claims can check their argument at the door until they are supported by independently verifiable empirical evidence.  This fact protects science being contaminated by unsupportable ideas like a fairy sneezed us into being or that an invisible human like deity wished us into existence 6000 years ago, both having equal scientific value. 
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  609. It does not make any sense to me either.
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  610. Blue Cranes We do not vote on others getting rights,  they just are and no vote can take them away or grant them.
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  611. Jammer8x8 Not what I am saying. The fact is they do not spend all the money on food.  Some goes to food, some to administration, some goes to keeping the lights on and some may be spent on a birthday cake for one of the employee's.  You do not get to dictate how that money is spent and neither does the government in the case they give aid. The fact is the $50 would not take them far at the casino in any case. Just like the pittance handed out by the government is not a licence to live high on the hog in contradiction to the tacit assertion of this type of legislation.
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  612. Jammer8x8 You have no right to dictate how any of their money is spent because you gave them $50.  The money you gave them gives you no special right to say how they spend or administer any of their funds.  You do not buy them with this cash you gave it to them.   You do have no legal recourse on the 500 either because the moment you handed it over to party it is not yours.  Your demand to say how people spend THEIR money is not valid.  You most certainly do not get to dictate how your family member spends their next pay check they earned because you gave them some cash.
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  613. Jammer8x8 Are you saying anyone who uses these funds for anything but subsistence food is guilty of that because I do not agree. No one who qualifies for this aid is "obtaining property by false pretenses".  There was never a time when the law supported your desires to control someone's finances after giving them some cash.
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  614. Jammer8x8 You do not get to pick what that money is for in spite of your assertions. The people in question often work full time and the fact our min wage is so terrible is the only reason they need this kind of aid.  There is no way you should be able to dictate how they spend what little money they get because you think you should be able to.   Your position on this issue is crystal clear. This legislation and your entire spin is nothing more than a transparent attempt to demonize and marginalize the people who require this help.   You are clueless and part of the problem as you make the fact free statements you do.  You should really consider moving to a 3rd world hell hole where this type of fraud does not exist and the poor starve in the streets.  I am sure you would be happier there.
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  615. ***** I do not think anyone should have that power.  I want to live a free society not one where the government can pick and choose what you can do with your money.  If they can do it to these people they can do it to anyone who takes government cash or services of any kind.  That covers almost everyone.  It is a recipe for tyranny.
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  616. Jammer8x8 I have used no straw men.  You advocate that the poor be limited on what they can spend their money on.   Please point out a single straw man and I will explain why you are wrong in calling it that.  You literally do not care about the people you would demonize.  Anyone that says welfare is fraud does not give a flying fuck about the poor.  Your words have meanings and that you do not understand what your bull shit spin means does not change anything.
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  617. Jammer8x8 You do not get to pick either.  No one is obtaining money under false pretenses here, if he would dropped the drum sticks" it would have done nothing but made him look even simpler.   It was a weak point not attached to the subject and the tacit assertion it made was false.
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  618. Chris Hollier That is exactly what I said he advocates.  It directly targets those who need this kind of help and that is by default those under a certain income including those who work full time, in other words the poor.  If they can target these people they can target anyone who receives assistance and then those who use programs or services.  There is no end and to hand them this power is to hand them the keys to controlling everything.  You guys like big government a little too much for me.
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  619. Chris Hollier That is exactly what this does.  Everyone under a certain income gets this kind of aid.  It is eminently fair to say it is about limiting what a certain class can and can not do with their money regardless if it is earned or what they qualify for and in many cases they work for their money on top of that.  It is a base attack on people who are poor and turns them into a second class citizens with the plan to make taking the money so onerous people make due without making them even poorer.  Why would this not be a slippery slope?  They have already done this is some cases with drug testing as a feature of employment or ability to get aid while consistently leaving themselves blissfully out of such testing.  There is no reason clowns of this totalitarian ilk will not do this with anything else to gain power.  If there is a buck to be made and someone sponsors it I do not put it past them at all. This whole policy innately steps on freedom no matter how you cut it.  That you want these people to be treated like prisoners or second class citizens because they do not earn enough money to live on their own and use the programs as intended is very telling about your views on them.
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  620. Chris Hollier So lets demonize anyone who applies for it and make them live like a pauper.  Heck it is too much for them to use a public pool because they are just too poor to do so and should sit at home.   The cases they have done drug testing has shown that people applying for assistance use drugs at a fundamentally lower rate than the national average.  It costs more money to do the testing than it saves by weeding out those who happen to smoke a joint.  The entire policy is nothing but a giveaway to the testing companies and is attached to our pathetic failure of a drug war and is just as cleverly conceived.  Cell phones are how people communicate now and are often cheaper than land lines.  Saying they should not have a phone is hard to defend.  Claiming people who are poor should not enjoy entertainment if they save up their money or work a full time job but receive assistance is bizarre. Your spin is sicking to me but then I should not expect any different from the goose stepping right who does not actually value freedom for anyone but the rich, the powerful and those who agree with them. 
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  621. Chris Hollier Not your job nanny state guy. You should not expect the government to set up good rules for people managing their finances when they can not manage their own books. Having them set up good budgeting rules is like getting diet advice from a guy who weighs 500 pounds. The idea that anyone is starving because they go to the casino is nonsense. Please explain why the children of these families should not be able to use a public pool because their parents are poor? These rules are being set by hypocrites as a punishment for people who use these services and it is not to help them at all. The leaders in question are not champions of the poor and are not acting in that capacity now, stop pretending they are. You assert what I say about the drug testing is not true but it is. It is not irrelevant because it is part of the same mindset that punishes those who take aid. It is turning them into second class citizens without merit and is not saving us money in the same breath. No one gives a fuck what you think they should use the money for. Just like the 50 you gave to the food bank you do not get to tell them how that money will be spent, you just don't. There is no straw man when you complain about people getting cell phones like it is some kind of luxury when in fact it is fast becoming the way most people get their phone service and it is no more expensive than an old school phone. Cell phone no longer = luxury and any spin that it does is out of date and out of touch. You are not paying for anything. We are as a whole are and the couple of dollars you contribute to the fund does not give you the right so say how the money is spent here either. That you imagine anyone on these services is living high on the hog is just more out of touch nonsense. No one who makes the kind of cash that allows you to qualify for these programs has much in the way to spend on anything but food. Taking away the very very few "luxuries" they have is nothing but mean spirited and wholly tyrannical, But then you guys are cool with that as long as the tyranny is directed at someone you do not like. People like you prove that every time you post.
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  622. whyamimrpink78 It is our money, our collective contribution to society.  It is the price you pay for not living a 3rd world hell hole where there are no taxes.  We have income inequity problems because a certain group at the top have bought our leaders and gamed the system so that the money flows to them and not to the population in general. Our shifting of taxation giving the richest more money to throw on the pile or invest oversea's does nothing for us as a country and is the product of our broken system where all our leaders are bought and sold. Infrastructure and the basic demands of a 1st world country mean we should be providing services with our collective money. That people like you want to live in a dystopian tax free corporatocracy is not a compelling image.
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  623. Chris Hollier Why are they not paying?  The idea they pay nothing is not attached to reality. They do not pay federal income tax because THEY HAVE NO MONEY!! They do not have enough to live (see the definition of poverty) but you think they should have less. They actually pay a much larger share of their income to sales and usage taxes than people who do not qualify for aid.  This garbage that they need to pay more is an old and idiotic right wing trope. Taxing them more will solve no problems and exacerbate the ones we have.   The middle class is not "doing fine" as you so ignorantly assert.  We are shrinking at an alarming rate and have had basically flat wages for the last 30 years.  Income inequity growth is a direct result of the shrinking of the middle class as money is all transferred up to the top.   You randomly brought up income inequality and I simply explained why it is occurring,.   The idea that if you are not paying income taxes you are not contributing is bullshit. Many people that require aid work full time and are most certainly contributing with their time and effort even if they are not being well remunerated.  They all pay sales and us usage taxes and spend all of their money in their community.  They most certainly contribute and your spin is another fact free right wing trope. Pointing out that enacting your spin would be horrible is not a straw man.  You do not have anything but a faith based assertion your ideas would do anything positive to back you up.  You calling what I said a logical fallacy does not make it one and I suspect you really need to look up what the term means.  That you imagine no one proposes tax free status for business's means you do not know what people like you say all the time. 
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  624. Chris Hollier Your statement is idiocy as they can not afford to pay more than they have.  That you imagine that they are second class because they can not afford to chip in is bullshit personified.  There is no justification for the statement they drag more than they pay and it is arguable we need the low wage earners to do jobs that keep the prices down for the rest of us.  Business owners and retail outlets make money off these people every day as they spend every cent they have and put it directly back into the local economy. There are other ways to contribute to society than paying federal income taxes that people like you want to see cut for everyone but the poor.  No one cares what you think the process should be and if every greedy fuck got to pick what got covered and what did not we would see people starving in the streets.  No one is coming to YOU with their hands out, no one is asking YOU to help them.  We have a system that existed before you were born that we all pay into.  The people in question are not beholden to your ideals and do not owe you anything for the services their society provides.   People like you would see public assistance trashed. This type of legislation is just an end run to do so. Be honest about this and do not pretend it is to help anyone.  
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  625. No I do not want it at all.  If you are destitute we have a the system you demonize to help you.  I pay my taxes and that is the way you will get my money if you qualify. 
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  626. Chris Hollier I corrected myself right after I posted,   you are selfish and whiny not entitled.  My apologies.
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  627. Chris Hollier You are selfish because you are simply trying to make using the support system unbearable. This is nothing more than an attempt to make our poorest make do with less less.  This policy will hurt children and make them second class citizens through no fault of their own.   All to give the rich another tax cut they will throw on the pile.  Your taxes never having gone down. The fact is this bullshit does not just stop them spending government money but limits their ability to access their own they work for like they are children.  It is repulsive and the biggest government I can imagine.  Next you will be sewing stars on their clothing and sterilizing the woman.  Ya. ya, ya, a straw man but not a crazy one given the mean spirited nature of your spin.
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  628. Chris Hollier You misrepresent your position when you pretend that this legislation is not onerous or one of the ugliest version of the nanny state and big government invading peoples lives. These policies do affect children and I can think of several parts that will touch them directly..  The limitation of access to their own money earned or from the state.  The inability to use pools or entertainment.  These all make citizens of these families second class citizens through no fault of their own.  You know this hurts children because even in your objection you use the term "Almost nothing".  It is pretty clear you do not know what second class citizen means is even as you chastise me for the same.  How are they not second class citizens when you look at a list of activities  you ban from them for the crime of being poor and needing help? These people do not need to be treated like children and your assertion is they should be simply because they earn so little that they qualify for a program we offer.  Your spin that  big government is trying to  talking care of them is bullshit and none of your business.  This is a punishment for being poor and needing aid and nothing more.   Mind your own finances and ask yourself if you would like the government doing it for you. 
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  629. Threatening communism is coming in this day and age is nonsense to the sane and informed. The idea Communism is furthered because we have extended equal rights to a group of people they loath is ridiculous on its face.  This spin appeals to a certain type of person who values their ignorance and loves when anyone validates the fact free version of reality that they cling to.
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  630. Where are all the shills saying how safe fracking is?
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  631. Dogoel Please note no matter what you think you belong to an ever shrinking fact free minority for whom the actual facts have no value.   You can shout it is a choice from the top of the mountain and that may be true for you but for many it is not.  I could not more choose to be comfortably gay than a gay person could be comfortably strait.  Your talking points and entire spin are nothing more than discredited dismissed garbage from decades ago.  That your simplistic spin is compelling to you does not mean it has any value as an argument and that is why your ugly view is losing ground as we speak,.  Please continue to enjoy your ignorance as you publicly wallow in it, you are doing a great job pushing the sane away from your position.. 
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  632. He expects the movie to be made on a non-embellished passage you can read in about 20 minutes.
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  633. +52percent Everyone should have free collage, if we can afford wars that cost us trillions we can afford to educate all our young people. Those who "pay no taxes" have practically NO MONEY and spend every dime they have in the local economy driving jobs. Using billionaire talking points about who is getting ripped off as they have never been richer marks you as stupid or a shill. Neither says good things about you.
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  634. I am not certain the president is not going to largely go along with them.
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  635. whyamimrpink78 Your false equivalencies are business as usual but pretending open bigotry is the way to go already sits on the trash heap of history. You are just too dim to know it.
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  636. Hey said on camera in context of the civil rights act that private organizations should have the right to discriminate. Rules that counter that in restaurants and other private establishments are part of the civil rights act his disagreement with them does not put him squarely on the side of civil rights.
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  637. He is a part of an organization that is fighting to do just that.  http://www.wolf-pac.com/ 
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  638. flameringstudios9 We put rules in place because we had that structure before and because of it black people would not be served a certain hospitals.  You are now arguing we take out that very protection that guarantees all citizens access to a public businesses to protect the right of a bigot to be a bigot.  If as an owner or worker you can not do deal with the public because of your convictions that is your problem not ours.   Like a Mennonite should not apply to be a bus driver cake lady should not be signing a business license.  
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  639. flameringstudios9 And if you are you should not expect the law to protect your right to treat any other citizen as the lessor if you intend on offering a public service.
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  640. flameringstudios9 Privately owned with a business license to serve the public.  If they want to choose who they serve they need to open a members only club. This is not a new debate and it was not long ago the same one raged about a store owners right to not serve black people.  We solved the issue by making it a rule you had to serve everyone if you had were issued a public business license.  We know what happens when we allow the "free market" to decide this issue and there is literally no upside in going back to that.  We have deceived to favor the consumer and ensure everyone has access to the same services.  I personally see that as innately more valuable than to protect a bigots right to deny service to minority group.  Not only can we mandate equity in this field, we have and it crush an entire industry where white only was a regular feature in diner windows.
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  641. flameringstudios9 No one is trying to.
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  642. flameringstudios9 Blink, what are you going on about?  I was talking about your nonsense post about trying to `mandate things such as tacos` whatever that means.  I have no idea how pointing that out makes me a bigot but it does not seem your spin has to be attached to reality.   Being you are an admitted bigot your random slander of me is not very compelling.  It is people exactly like you who argued against interracial marriage and for segregated water fountains.   Your spin is as empty as your accusations and attempt to project your own failings onto me.
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  643. flameringstudios9 Can't read is more like it.
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  644. flameringstudios9 Ah and there it is the pointless anger and personal attacks from someone who has no argument lashing out in with baseless straw man assertions.  Was wondering when you were going to snap.  Having a bankrupt position to start with pretty much guarantees you will go there. It is pretty clear who is the simple one between us, nice spin there. 
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  645. flameringstudios9 Shrug, people like you are a dime a dozen and you might be shocked how many are actually that crazy.  It cost me nothing to counter what you were saying and if I was silent it would imply tacit agreement. Better to take the time and respond than let anyone think I agreed with your spin.,
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  646. flameringstudios9 Your are a genius all you had to do is look like an idiot mouth breather to do it.  Wow did you ever show me.
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  647. flameringstudios9 Not remotely, you continue overestimate yourself.  Like I said people who say the insane things you do are a dime a dozen.  If they mean it or not they deserve to be called out.  I would do it again,
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  648. flameringstudios9 :)
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  649. Things will never be fixed enough to go to space then.
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  650. Sounds like this mayor is going to lose his job come next election and that is good.
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  651. One can not assert where we came from based on a 2000 year old book.  The god of the gaps argument this guy attempts to use is not valid.  That science does not have a definitive answer for anything is the open door for guys like this his god should fill in the blanks.   There is no evidence supporting the religious spin and in fact there are a great many indications it is not remotely true.
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  652. Do not imagine this going to happen ...
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  653. Robert Laurence Sure no reason for a "news" program to ask him though.  
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  654. The idea the right to oppress others should be an innate part of the system is weakest of the weak spin.   Your bigotry may be protected speech here but that is where your right to assert your ignorant views end.
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  655. The same could be said when we introduced steam shovels, we replaced 60 guys with shovels with one machine.   We do this all the time and for the most part it is a good thing.  We should be moving toward a society that drudge work like digging ditches or being a horse and buggy driver are skills in low demand, seems to me we are on the right path.. 
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  656. Xavier Thorn Each advancement we make changes things and opens new doors and opportunities even as it closes others. There should be a day in the distant future where, dirty, dangerous or repetitive tasks will not need to be done by humans at all. The type of jobs required will be shift just as they have in the past. We will be doing ourselves a disservice by not making these advancements in the same way it would have been wrong to ban the steam shovel to save digging jobs.
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  657. +cne08 lol, it sucks I can not unhear it in her voice now.
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  658. That he can afford to pay for treatment and that alone decides if he is going to get it instead of incarceration is flat out sickening.  If anyone deserves to be "adversely affected" in prison for their crimes it is a father who rapes his children who should be at the top of the list.
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  659. We should all be pissed.
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  660. If you say so .. only if you do not care they have no good arguments or the rights ideas are deeply unpopular and impossible to effectively defend without straw manning your opponent.
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  661. She is Ignorant, bought into a dishonest media narrative fed to her daily for months.
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  662. There is a law about provoking an encounter with someone and scarring them to the point you shoot them dead and they turn on you though. He uselessly initiated the whole incident against the advise of law enforcement and that people like you do not think it is relevant to the case consistently is a surprise. The real question is do you want a guy like this tooling around your neighborhood, I know for a fact I do not.
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  663. See this is the place you lose even more people and where your already implausible idea goes even further off the tracks. Usually for most of the big conspiracies there is a bright line to some tangible benefit that helps validate the idea. In this case there simply is not one and the potential for damage FAR outweighs the nebulous benefit you imagine drove it. Obama is a lot of things but a risk taker is not one of them, this idea his admin was behind a useless lie does not ring true.
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  664. You have no clue what you are talking about. We are fighting to decriminalize and make legal a product that should never been criminalized in the first place. Your generalizations about what people who use marijuana are like are cartoonish and plainly false. It is widely used and not just by the "lazy" but the highly successful as well. We are fighting to make our own choices instead of state mandated ones.
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  665. Like any true believer facts are not what drives you. If you have honestly looked and are still convinced I am sure nothing I could share with you would change your mind. I simply and honestly have looked at both sides of the argument and the rational behind it and have come to the conclusion that there is no justification for a deception this vast with so little to gain. People will continue to shout you down because you appear to be wrong not because they hate you.
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  666. That you "seriously doubt" it does not change the fact it is safer.
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  667. Because she is a liar!
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  668. One person here is making idiot accusations, it is not me.
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  669. Please all I am doing is denying your idiotic conspiracy because it does not make sense. You can say they don't need a motive as loudly as you want to but it does not change the fact the whole thing makes no sense without one. That you have not even looked and seen the better explanations means you skipped form one conspiracy video to another without even investigating the other side. You are the only one with a burden of proof here not me. I have not lied about anything you clown.
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  670. Likely correct.
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  671. Nice to know your wishes are so rich ... thanks for sharing.
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  672. Words change and expand in meaning all the time, your concern for the definition of a word is touching but less so as you would deny equal standing under the eyes of the law of specific citizens to do so makes it unacceptable. You are free to continue to think what every you want, you are not free to have it supported by the laws and common standards we all share.
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  673. They art not pro life, they only pro birth.
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  674. A great many of them do, you belong to a movement that does not value facts or information and have already made up your mind about what the truth is and reject anything that contradicts your backwards spin. Conservatives are not champions of science and if you look at their economic policy math or statistics is not a big strength either.
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  675. It is not just for procreation but the raising of family and gay couples benefit from that system as much as anyone. I affords legal rights which families take for granted and that you would deny gay people the same access to this important institution because of a spin not every christian shares. This says more about you than your faith. They do not have the same rights as you to make a family with the one they love and this is directly attached to historic bigotry, nothing more.
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  676. The only way I will achieve your "level" of awareness is from a full frontal lobotomy. Being called an infant by a troll with the arguments of a preschooler means less than nothing.
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  677. Yes, and will continue to long after this debate is settled.
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  678. Empty nonexistent superiority is the kind that engenders violence toward those they need to feel better than as an element of their twisted regressive identity.
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  679. You are dead wrong but when has that stopped you guys from blustering you your ridiculous garbage.
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  680. I would vote for him over Biden. That is damning with very faint praise as I do not think Styer should even be in the race.
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  681.  @MrJjjd1  This is counter factual, we have the most "free market" system in the first world and have double the costs. Competition means nothing when you are selling a product that people HAVE to by at the expense of their lives. There is no system on the planet that succeeds based on your premise. Right now we do not have a government monopoly but a private for profit insurance system that drives up costs as a business model. They have an perverse incentive to to drive costs up and NOT provide care to make more money. No other modern system has this issue.
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  682.  @MrJjjd1  NO SYSTEM ON THE PLANET controls costs the way you suggest we should. NOT ONE. That america opted to hand power to corporate entity with a fiduciary responsibility to make profit at the expense of the heath of Americans driven by profit alone is the root of our cost problem. The numbers you cite speak to the poor incentive of our existing system that hands billions to assholes who would step over the body of your family for an extra nickle and do not care about costs at all as they pass them onto you. The rest of the first world went the other way and has better outcomes for everyone at half the cost. Your talking points only fly inside a vacuum that is divorced from the reality on the ground and the history of this issue or what actually works.
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  683.  @MrJjjd1  I am not wrong .. i said most free market system. And we are. There is literally no analog of your working system anywhere. The ACA was a weak half measure republican plan that they now hate. It did decrease how quickly costs were rising but made it a central plank to empower the middle man insurance corps that have zero value and are perversely incentivized to increase costs. Drug costs are another big problem that need to be resolved. Big pharma charges us more than anywhere else for the same drugs because of policy their lobbyists wrote and got passed against the interest of Americans. Complaining about the regulation written by Republicans on behalf of the people who own them as a failure of a single payer is silly and empty. What makes you so certain your asserted system works when in fact I see no reason for providers to cut cost at all, ever? Even in a totally free market prices rising push many of the more undesirable customers out of the market and insurance companies make more money by shutting out these people as costs on payouts go down and premiums for everyone else go up covering the difference. Your monopoly bullshit is empty, our government policy is to blame. But that blame rests on giving insurance companies control of our markets while we as tax payers cover the most expensive people in our system. They have downloaded the costs for the aged onto us while they skim off billions in operational costs and profit at the expense of american lives. When you quote a think tank that fights to preserve the status quo as a standard and never does anything but argue for policy to make their benefactors even richer it undermines your non existent credibility.
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  684.  @MrJjjd1  I never contradicted myself at all, and I was not wrong. All your assertions attached to a free market helping us are entirely empty and not based on ANY DATA at all. You miss the context of everything you shared and the fact is everyone everywhere added new health care regulations during that period. No one else ended up paying the costs we do. Can you explain that outside a bubble you seem to have created? So the issue is not that government was too involved but how it was involved and who it was serving when the policy was enacted. I acknowledge that many of the policies enacted did increase costs. They were put in place at behest of a lobby that exists in no other system and that is the root of the problem, not that government made rules. It is why our rules drove costs up as cost control was not a concern to those who wrote them. I never made the assertion that a monopoly is the problem, that is your claim. Your argument is undermined by the fact in every other first world country they all have very defined health insurance monopolies and yet everyone of them pays less than us. It is how these polices are enacted that matter and who they are written to serve. I do not have a problem with facts, I have problems with the silly counter factual assertions you draw from them. You are literally stating a faith based (never proven) assertion that "open completion" and no involvement from the state at all would have been better with nothing to back it up. Blaming regulations seems silly when everyone else wrote regulations too and ended up in a different place.
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  685.  @MrJjjd1  I have a business so I do understand why people create them. But as a business person I look at models that work and those that do not to understand what to invest in. Health care is a special market and has the same kind of demand the need for a fire department or police department does. You could create private police forces and fire departments and collect payments from everyone that can afford it and leave others to burn/be robbed. By paying for the service in this way the providers would be perversely insensitivized on the roll of providing the service to the whole society. When you sell oxygen (something people can not do without) controlling costs is not a driving factor as there is consistently no choice if you need the service or not. It is not a commercial good in the same way a toaster is. Insurance costs are mitigated by having the very biggest pool and controlling operational costs like any business. Our system absorbs the most expensive group and then breaks it into many small pools all of which have overhead to maintain. The model is destined to be more expensive than all the single payer models and no amount of competition changes that as we still need to cover those who can not afford it and those who are too old to buy it. The answer from a business perspective is to consolidate overhead and create the biggest pool we can so the costs of the old are offset by the premiums of the healthy. We save billions by cutting out unneeded head office staff of multiple billion dollar firms and consolidating it a more efficient structure. Medicare for all has a much lower cost on delivery than any for profit provider. Consolidation of costs is a primary reason for mergers and accusations of top corporations. The idea that if the government does it then that is "bad business" is empty nonsense that is not borne out by the many models we can look at in the field right now. We do not have to guess what happens, we have living breathing examples to study. There is a good reason there is no version of a free market health care system on the planet. It would not and does not work and you need some kind of insurance system to fund it. It is just a matter of what form that system takes and the argument deregulation is the answer is not borne out by anything but an empty claim.
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  686.  @MrJjjd1  I have a software firm and have had my hand in a few other business's as well over the years. I would value an opportunity to draw from a workforce where I did not have to worry about their health care and investing in people who do not have it and have to pick up the slack. I spend a great deal on my employees getting them to where thy are productive and it makes sense I provide health care to ensure they are healthy and can work. I would save a lot on administration and effort if I did not have to worry about that and was able to focus on what I do to make money instead of messing around with insurance companies. Of course there is something special about health care. Everyone needs it at some point and you are literally taking your life in your hands not being covered. How is this remotely analogous to buying a toaster. Like a fire department you do not need it until you do and if you have to buy it on need it will be too expensive and too late. The idea our police and fire departments are ineffective because they have no duty to serve us is entirely fallacious. First responders are known as heroes almost universally. There is a good reason these services are public every where that could be considered civilized. The assertion the programs would be better served with a profit motive is entirely unfounded. In the modern era you can point to no modern civilization that makes a for profit system work in any of these arenas for a good reason. If I did not pay taxes I imagine It would be shit like Somalia or some other tax less third world hell hole. My workers would be uneducated, my power unstable, my water dirty and my roads patchy and ineffective. My air travel would be riskier, my food and drugs more problematic, security costly, etc, ect, ect. I am successful because of the society my business exists in. My taxes pay for many critical services that we do not ever think about. If I had to go buy all of them piecemeal from many suppliers I can not see how this would save me money because as with everything buying in volume is always cheaper than buying a one off. It would also cut my access to key services only giants could afford. In certain situation I can and do charge much higher rates. Need service over the weekend or holiday I crank up the rates and that is laid out before you do business and elect not to buy a service plan. This is pretty standard and business's understand they need to pay more if they do not buy in and because this is a standard practice it is acceptable. So the answer is yes, sometimes. Mostly when they are over a barrel and have no choice, most will only have one or two of these issues uncovered before buying a service plan and mitigating their cost risk. That they pay monthly means I can budget for the staff to cover their needs and if they pay as they go I have to charge more because I can not plan the work. When you are selling something that means the life or death of your child charging too much is only problematic if you put it out of range for your market. The fact is they are, millions of Americans are uncovered because our system is too expensive and 30k a year die do lack of care when that number is zero in the rest of the free world. The spin you cited is consistently shared to maintain the status quo along with all their other statements and "studies". The is no proposed policy that goes along with this these assertions just a half baked data free claim it would be better and cheaper if there were no rules.
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  687.  @MrJjjd1  You say i am making unfound assuptions. The fact is there is no moden country you can point at with no taxes. Anyone asserting we do not need to pay them and still live a moden life is actually entirly unfouded and i charge you with what you pretend i am doing. My assumptions are founded in real wold examples yous in an imaginary systrm that will never survive contact with reality intact. Your assertuion that anyone is better statless is entirly unfounded and is faith based idea you have bought into like a religon. Your history on education here is empty. We have had public school's that I will put againt any no tax state any day. You can pretend adding a profit motive to schools makes them better but all the best edcation system in the world are pubic. If our system is suffering it is the charter school thieves and the leaders that that are to blame as they actively defund it. You can find people who scoff at public education and critque is as not necessaripy ideal but you need to take a look at their motivations and conclusionof these people. not just the sound nites you gave that do not undermine the value i take in our education system as an employef. The concerns you raise are not solved by getting rid of public education. Most of our educatiom systems issues could be addressed by disallowing our leaders from being for sale to the highest biddrr. When you spit the same talking points as the group who is breaking our education system complaiming about the quality seems pretty disingenuous... In any case i have no problem finding qualified people that are graduates of our system. I imagine i would have bigger issue anwhere that does not have a public school system. I am aware of out education systems issues and concerns but attacking it as useless now is stupid and counter productie.
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  688.  @MrJjjd1  That we have failures in our system (primarily because of 3 trillion dollars in unfunded wars an that our leaders are for sale) does not speak to the idea we would be better off without any system. Making the entire country like flint does not seem like much of a solution. I do not live in flint, pointing at the overt failures in our system does not validate your ideas. The fact is it is people exactly like you who cut testing and deregulated corporations to let them poison our water and air in the name of profit, that is the root of our problem. Our leadership is bought by the people who are the polluters and the idea if we had no government there would be no pollution seems very poorly thought out. Our problems like flint are a travesty that need to be addressed but there is no way to argue that we would be better off without a government to achieve clean up. I expect the problem would be far worse an far more widespread without any kind of regulation. You can pretend people should be doing these government jobs for free all you want but this is empty spin of zero value. Asserting that government workers do not provide a valuable service is nonsense and speaks to nothing but ignorance. For every bad thing associated with the FDA (which is prone to corruption in a system where leadership can be openly bought) we could expect the problems to be exponentially worse without it. Getting rid of regulation does not get rid of malfeasance, it rewards it without risk. Your spin has no analogue in the real world because like a Communist your ideas would never survive contact with reality intact. Both very different systems of suffer from the exact same problem in that they do not address the nature of corruption that destroys these them even if theoretically they should be better but in practice they never ever are, and never will be.
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  689.  @MrJjjd1  When I say they sell oxygen .. I mean selling an ability to stay alive. Not literally oxygen. I am not sure if you are being purposely obtuse or not When you pull imaginary bizarrely low numbers like $60 a year from your ass you look silly and clueless on this subject. It is not the government that drives up our prices, it is the insurance companies. If what you asserted was true all the other systems would be as expensive as ours and they are not even though they are a "monopoly" they all cost half of what our system does. The key difference between them is we have left the insurance profit motive intact and everyone else has done away with it.
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  690. Just the ignorant bigots, do you feel hated?
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  691. No one cares what you or anyone else thinks god has said..you people need to stop ramming your ingorance and naked bigotry disguised as faith down the worlds throat. Marrige is not about procration it is about love and a leglal partnership, gay couples should qualify as thier love is as real as anyones and so are thier lifelong partnerships. Next time you find yourself about to type "God said" hold back because your athority to speak for him is not recognized by a single sole on earth.
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  692. It was not a 911 call but they did tell him not to follow TM, if you did not listen to the tape do not comment on what is said.
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  693. Many founding fathers owned slaves, a 229 year old racist standard on this issue are should be of no consequence to a modern American. We are far from adopting "socialism" as some communistic boogie man system so feared by the right and have taken no steps to do so. Your fact free talking points may work in the bubble you live in but only make you look foolish out here in the real world.
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  694. No it is not. Not remotely similar, sorry about your family
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  695. How "pro life" of them
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  696. You are just making up bullshit numbers and do not care about facts. The extremes you are talking about does not represent the vast majority and it is clear you just want to fuck over anyone who gets a living wage doing work we all consider important. That they work for us as a country is no reason to see them get anything but fair compensation for years of service. Nothing you have said has countered this fact. No one should care about the exceptions, your talking points are painfully weak.
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  697. The meaning of the attached to man and wife is secondary to the marriage creating a family and the associated responsibility and rights that entails. Your laser like focus on the definition being between a man and a woman is irrelevant compared it's function of creating family and all the benefits that societies an couples gain through the institution. That you disagree they can get married is not reason enough to deny them the same basic rights other couples enjoy.
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  698. That they found a few that got those numbers does not reflect the fact that vast majority does not get anywhere near that. The wall street journal a rag owned by the same propagandist that owns fox news is no friend to the middle class and consistently works to screw us in favor of a rich greedy minority. I have given you what the standards generally are and you have plainly ignored them every time. You only have talking points and not facts, your concern for fiscal restraint is false bluster.
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  699.  @atrociousconsequences4432  He is strong in red and purple states, he is stronger than conventional sellout democrats. The idea we have to run right to win has been betrayed by looking at when we did win. He is the only democratic candidate who is viable in the battle ground states, hillary lost the rust belt it is time to stop pretending the clowns Bernie is against are competitive, they are not.
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  700.  @nocturnalrecluse1216  Nonsense, we lost because Hillary inspired no one while spitting on half her base and then acted surprised they did not show up to vote. She lost the rust belt and the presidency despite winning the pop vote because she did not even bother to campaign there. Blaming the people she spat on and sneered at in the primary seems poorly focused. It was her job to win them over, not their job to back her.
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  701.  @nocturnalrecluse1216  Every single person who are tired of surrender before thy fight democrats, every single person who is sick of our leaders selling out to the highest bidder. I suspect there are a great many of us.
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  702.  Cory Ad  None of those metrics mean much to the average american, the stock market gains to to a few at the top as they do stock buy backs with tax payer money. Citation please on the average return of 18% on 401k's. We are under employed and the metric you look at ignores the jobs being created are low paying and are contributing to the trend of the erosion of the middle class not it's growth. Less jobs have been created in trumps time than any of the last 7 years of the Obama presidency which was also characterized by a high stock market and giveaways to the rich as he extended bush's tax cuts permanently. If you are happy now you must have been overjoyed back when the corporate dems ran the show and created the same shitty jobs and windfalls for multinationals to gloat about while they cut good jobs here.
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  703.  Cory Ad  Trump cut rich peoples taxes and gave you temporary cuts while he made the richest most expensive cuts permanent. 80% of 2 trillion dollars of the cut went to the top 1%. You cheering for that hurts my ears unless you were at least one of them. Good for you on your return, that does not seem to be typical and I can find nothing supporting the numbers you cite. Everything is advertised between 5 and 7 percent. Unless you were heavily invested in companies that did stock buy backs with tax cuts and gained the advantage of them pumping stock prices the cuts did absolutely nothing for you. To get the kind of return you did it is clear you do not have a balanced 401k containing bonds, treasury bills and other more stable investment vehicles which were not affected by his cut. That is not true for most. Obama failed on health care because he enacted the republican health care plan Mitt Romney passed when governor. If was written by a right wing think tank called the Heritage foundation. It failed because it left the insurance companies intact and did not even create a public option to force them to compete. It was a lousy plan that was only an improvement because what we have before was actually way worse in the power it handed to insurance companies the power to kill citizens just to make extra money. That the democrats were ever forced to defend that garbage speaks to the fact they are working for someone else other than the people who demand medicare for all as the only affordable solution.
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  704.  Cory Ad  Good way to lose everything when the inevitable crash comes. You argue the rich needed another 1.8 trillion as our infrastructure collapses. Good luck with that. We should not hear about any of your ilk talking about the deficit.
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  705.  Cory Ad  That is why most advisers recommend a balanced portfolio that can weather a storm. You can do great for a long time but a single crash will end it. There are more than a few of who learned that in 08 which is a long time ago to you but is a blink for many. Best of luck to you.
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  706. RizenLink Not that simple as "didn't get enough votes" .. the system, the media and the democratic party in service to Hillary promoted her over him and the fact she excited no ones is one of the many reasons why she lost. Deeply committed voters did vote but the massive number of displaced did not. Obama in 08 won because he excited the base and drew out people who do not vote, Hillary did not that and it is on her and no one else. I did vote for Hillary but I understand the reflex that saw her lose as she spit on half her base and promised little more than the status quo most of us hate.
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  707. I do not think he has a point. That there are many sects (just like in most religions) but that does not change it's status from a religion to that of a philosophy. The two classifications are not mutually exclusive. Even if Christianity has a common philosophy (and it does not) it is undeniably a religion defined by common dogma justified using the bible. That these sects do not ask questions of one another does not speak to Christianity being a philosophy but a demand never to question it.
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  708. We are supposed to be parading injured children around? Why so people will not randomly assume the government did it. This is so fucking crazy it should be surprising that anyone has your spin, sadly in this day and age it is not.
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  709. Except he is not asking for your money or promising you an eternity in paradise if you buy in. Everyone theist and atheist of good conscience alike should all be working to shame bigots into irrelevancy especially if they hide behind their religion.
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  710. You have nothing but insults and ignorant rants .. keep typing bla bla bla .. that is all you say anyway.
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  711. No one is axtuly fighting the straw man you fearm. Stop talking about the left, the people fight have now power amd atiny minority. He is allowed to say what he wanted according to the American constitution that you appeamrly hate. It is not clear you understand what communism is. That police systems evolvied from white supremacy is litterlly historic fact. It is bizzare you are triggered by it!
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  712. It is a fallacy because they are not remotely analogous for reasons that also happen to be supported by law. We agree that child porn is immoral but it is not your bible that tells us that as opposed to homosexuality. It is the fact that we want to protect our children who are not of the age of consent. People who would have sex with them are predators and so we correctly demonize the act. The same is not true of consenting gay adults and where child porn has a victim being gay does not.
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  713. You prove you are one living in a fact free bubble and you calling anyone stupid is funny. Republicans were once the "liberals" but that all changed when they switched to the southern strategy where they stole and kept almost the entire bigot vote. Equating progressives with communists is simplistic nonsense that comes across as base propaganda outside the fact free right wing bubble you appear to be deeply lost in. Your spin is as weak as your grasp of history.
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  714. It would really hurt the poor who pay none none because almost every penny they make goes into just keeping their heads above water. That the same people who argue we should abolish the minimum wage are the same ones arguing for a flat tax is very telling. The average American already knows the value of hard work and has increased his productivity by a factor of 20 in the last 30 years. The argument Americans do not understand work is only made by people who do nothing but shuffle money around.
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  715. Get some facts before you whine about it then.
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  716. That does not mean it should not.
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  717. Yes, but they are denied the legal rights and responsibilities of marriage because of an outdated standard. Marriage is a common and encouraged part of every other family unit and it forms a family even if there are no children. To deny gay couples this designation makes them second class citizens with regard to their legal standing. From what I can see this is done to "protect" the definition of the word marriage that many heterosexual Christians already trample everyday.
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  718. Joe G = No idea what a dishonest actor is. Dishonest Actor != Hacking on someone Joe likes.
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  719. You can count on a hand how many left wing "radical" lawyers get elected to office, the dumbest take ever is the idea the radical left has ANY POWER!
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  720. More common knowledge spit out like that are some kind of nugget of hidden wisdom, none of that was an issue to sane Americans last election. Another quick point any one that laughs at their own weak attempts at puerile humor always looks pathetic, just letting you know again. :)
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  721. They are screwing you because they pay no taxes .. you never buy our leaders like they do so you pay them and they do not.
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  722. He has done what he can with the most obstructionist congress and senate in history. There is a reason they have record low approval ratings while Obama's is pretty high. People are catching that the party of no (yours) has nothing to offer and things would be much worse if we gave them more control.
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  723. Not sure what that is about .. I heard hillary say it. That she accused her of being a Russian agent is not in question. But the fact is Tulsi should thank her as no one that takes Clinton seriously was voting for Tulsi anyway and lots of people who hate Clinton will now take a second look at her. This was about Clinton scoring an easy news cycle and little else. No one thinks Tulsi is a real threat at this stage.
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  724. Your claim it is my burden to prove it happened is patently and ridiculously false. Anyone with half a brain knows that is true, you are the one making a fantastical claim here. You are the only one with something to prove.
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  725. You do have a point ..
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  726. No need for translation, I meant what I said, when shoe fits ...
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  727. Just everyone since he has an unconfirmed sycophantic toady in the office.
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  728. Do not cancel, we need your voice in the mix and no one sane should care if a clown like Milo is allowed to go. The spin you should not go is pushed by those who do not want your voice heard. I have heard no good arguments that validate the idea progressives should not attend. I simply do not agree.
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  729. You do not just attack your rapist with that word.
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  730. There are reasons but they had more to do with environmental factors than anything else. Nothing is random but evolution as it once shaped our ancestors is useless and no longer a determining factor for survival. Our races are more about isolation than they are anything else. As of now every single morphological difference between the races is fundamentally of less value than the quality of individuals in it. The broader your pool of the greater your chance to find the next Einstein or Tesla.
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  731. kristian devries The concept of free speech has nothing to do with what companies allow you to say or not on their platform. The term refers to your right to say what you want and not be restricted by law or the government. It is not a free pass to say what ever you want in a forum owned by someone else. You are free to make your own twitter and then you set policy, a ban on twitter has nothing to do with your "free speech".
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  732. Adeon55 No I do not support the right of "private business" to deny service for an arbitrary thing like skin color or sexual persuasion. Pretending Crowder is being persecuted not based on what he chose to say and for breaking his terms of service contract is poorly thought out. If you can show me how any customer has broken a contract with a vendor you can justify a denial of service to them. The fact is these two things are not remotely the same and you are acting simple in trying to equate them.
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  733. Adam & Zhou This is like saying black people banned from restaurants should be fine with that and just go eat somewhere else. It ignores that this sets a standard that denies the services to your fellow Americans based on nothing but the bigotry of the owner. It makes the denied a second class citizen. If someone can not or does not want to serve someone else for an arbitrary reason like skin color or who they have sex with then they can not do the job and that is their problem. In same way a Mennonite should never apply to be bus driver these people can not sell to the public because of their own deeply held beliefs.
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  734. sharper68 Tell that to the assholes who refused to bake a cake and ended up bawling on tv ....
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  735. shr00mhead No one has the right to sell to the public unless they can serve everyone, otherwise it promotes bigotry over economic access and equality of treatment under the law. Christians who do not want to bake for gay people can not do the job in the same way Mennonites should not apply to drive a bus.
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  736. useless brainless troll. :)
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  737. Not from one guy, he called at the drop of a hat though not just about neibourhood watch stuff if you check out the calls he just loved dialing up the cops it appears. It is their right but it does call into question their state of mind. This guy imagined criminals around every corner and behind every bush and is not the sort any sane person wants walking around their area armed and looking for more reasons to call the cops and then apparently ignore what they tell him. Insane indeed.
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  738. Having only one party that can win is no kind of democracy .. this is a hard mask off.
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  739. You are the troll here, that I call you out on your ignorant bullshit does not make me what you are by definition are. Paying taxes is a part of every society in the first world, if you want no taxes move to some hell hole that does not collect them and quit trying to drag us down into an anarchist pit.
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  740. MediaMatters IsMyCockHolster You are talking about the establishment bought and sold democrats, we are not them. You have never faced us yet and get read to put your ideas against ones that are actually popular.
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  741. MediaMatters IsMyCockHolster Strait commie ticket? ... damn you clowns are clueless.
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  742. And so another useless troll goes blissfully silent. :) Bye, do not let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.
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  743. In his defense, he is pretty stupid!
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  744. Pulling a buzz phrase from your a anti gay marriage web site does not mean you understand what you are asking or that it has been validated as an idea that raises concern with regard to raising children. Strait parents have gay children and gay parents have strait children in the ratio's. Your sideways assertion made by raising this issue are that children of gay parents will be encouraged by social pressure to be Bi, there is no data that supports this.
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  745. You do know that the definition of marriage has changed a great deal over time including it's legal ramifications and in almost every case it has been a very good thing. Extending it to same sex couples is just another step in that process. If you wanted to stick with an earlier classical definition of marriage your wife would be property you would have the right to beat with a stick, this is where the term rule of thumb came from. The only constant is change, keep up or be left behind.
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  746. It warms my heart that everyone in the comment section is pointing out context and not buying into the criticism spin. I do not think she was saying we should be applying the missing money to health care just that the concern we can not pay for it feels empty as they plainly ignore trillions missing from the pentagon budget. The how do you pay for it song gets pretty weak when they do not care about it for establishment priorities like wasting money on a bloated military that can not even account for spending.
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  747. There is almost no chance of GOP taking the house, just saying
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  748. Looking at the thread you were the one going off topic by bringin up my Penis. The original statment was that the bible was not a fairytale with a request to prove it was. Doubters of your unproven claims do not have to do any proving as the vericity of the book you are so sure of is not verified. The onus for proof is always on the side that makes extrodinary claims. In this case that would be your and claim the bible is true. None of that exuses the crazy things you posted elsewhere here.
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  749. Well that is not the plan and they have actually increased the number of jobs in the US too. The fact they are expanding overseas to sell more cars in an emerging market is only a bad thing to people with no link to reality. This is a weak attempt to try to spin a success their opponents can rightly claim as something more this base can be mad about by distorting the truth.
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  750. Ideally, But the problem many parents do not teach their children anything. That is the root of the problem.
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  751. Making these people uncomfortable not because who they are but because of their chosen and continuing actions is more than fair. If we had any other group who was separating children from their parents for some political reason we would object to them too. Why on earth should they get any legal protection from others peacefully expressing what they think about them. Those who show no civility should not expect it from others.
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  752. All they have is lies, it shows clearly they do not know what to do. Anyone that believes Vance has rocks in thier head, it is wierd man.
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  753. Last time I checked that would get your fired or arrested if you were not a congressmen.
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  754. Shanna Mac 39 Actually we do not recognize duel citizenship at all. You become an american and your old citizenship does not count anymore to american officials. Other countries allow you to retain a number citizenships, we do not recognize any but our own once you swear the oath.
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  755. Atheist Jewish Messiah Does not matter. The american government only recognizes the american citizenship. Other counties like Isreal alow you to have duel but the US only recognizes its own.
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  756. So you say but your last post is just as pathetic as your first. Getting a comment on my brain from a useless know nothing like you means nothing. Now run along you crayon wielding loser.
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  757. There is no bottom to the level of stupid he shows daily.
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  758. This is stupid as the nazi's are all about genocide of those who are not white, not the other way round.
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  759. Drifter There literally is no white genocide as by the UN definition or any other. You have to redefined the term to make any of that stupid and dishonest spin stick. People moving to a place does not replace the population and only increases it. The "indigenous white people" are not being murdered off and are going no where. No one defends the murdering of anyone and the spin anyone does is empty. Violent crime is at a 30 year low, good luck with your fact free fear based spin. Your trope is not connected to reality and is naked fear mongering for special brand of fear based tiny person who defines their identity by their skin tone for some bizarre reason. The fact is when all immigrants including the brown skinned ones you denigrate as genocidal move to the anywhere else they assimilated culturally within a generation. They then share far more with their adopted home than where they came from, history proves this Your focus on skin tone is a the providence of the simple who need to prop themselves up on the basis of others achievements while having done nothing themselves. White genocide is a stupid myth for a brand of person who is vulnerable to the appeal of attacking the other to cover for the real reasons they are struggling.
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  760. HiSpeedDrifter I am not ignoring the murders but pretending I or anyone of note supports them is empty nonsense. You can not point out the constituency in Europe or in NA that supports the murder of white people in SA. The spin about leaching is a identical to the bullshit Hitler and other historical anti immigrant clowns used to demonize and finally imprison and if they could murder the exact same people you point at. The reason anyone moves to the west is because of the affluence our societies have. A desire for excellent quality of life we have brings people here. The giant influx is Europe is because many are fleeing wars we empowered with our policy and dictators put in place and propped up by foreign governments. The lie they are turning our countries into a giant toilet is bullshit to distract you from the real source of the cancer. Within a generation the cultures of immigrants break down and are replaced with the local version. The same empty tropes you push have always been leveled at immigrants and they are as fact free now as when they were used to attack Italians, the Irish, the gypsies and the Jews. Your talking points are discredited by the actual history and your empty fear based bigoted nonsense is old school grandpa shit that was never valid in the 30's and is no more valid now. I have read the UN definition of genocide, you misrepresent it with this silly fact free spin.
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  761. HiSpeedDrifter You are incorrect, I think all ethno-states are backward and counterproductive. Again history has shown time and again withdrawing into yourself hurts your society in the long run. I do not support one single "ethno-state" and can list the many problems every single one has which will only be solved by opening up to the rest of the world and letting go of the bullshit failure you promote. Holland, Italy, England all have large immigrant communities and the spin they do not is empty bullshit. The safe zones you demand are of zero value. I do not give flying fuck what my neighbors skin tone is and understand that we are all people despite what you barbaric fucks painfully stupid claims are. Cultures always blend and always have, your spin they can not is betrayed by the fact you clowns have been recycling the same failed arguments for centuries. It is painfully myopic as you move the goal posts and picking new groups to attack while formerly demonized groups are consistently integrated and forgotten about. The more you talk the more you look fucking clueless. Pretending the bankers hate white people may point you bigots in the right direction if you want to identify the root of our problems but the reasons you imagine they are doing it are fact free. These are assholes who would step over bodies of any color to make more money no matter who they are and the idea they are targeting white people is base stupid as white people in fact have a vast majority of the wealth on the planet. Your spin is nothing more than a call to violence against those you imagine disagree with you politically. It is garbage spin for the stupid and the small who like the idea of an appeal to racial pride because they have nothing to be proud of personally.
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  762. Drifter That they were 90% white does not validate your spin. The societies like Japan who did not embrace immigration are suffering a dangerous decline in births that will have serious negative consequences for their society over the next few decades. It could be said that immigration saved those places the same fate. You have to understand that you laying it at the feet of "bankers" is a shot in the right direction for the wrong reasons. It gives credence to the half lie your spin is built on. The banker class are indeed responsible for the decline of the middle class in Europe and the US, pointing at poor immigrants with zero power as the source of that failure is a distraction from the fact the money from the middle class went to the bankers. Pretending the bankers are Communist is deeply stupid as communism does not empower their class at all, they are if anything fascist. They robbed everyone while a group of sycophants blame them and demonize a group they dislike mostly because their own tribal nature pressing your anger in the wrong direction. The voting block you belong to is typically very right wing and that means you vote in support of the establishment which is most strongly represented by conservatives who by their nature support the status quo and the bankers you hate. Being angry at the poor and powerless is pointless if your goal is to see any change.
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  763. Very few feel that way.
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  764. Because they had other options perhaps. Why would you ask?
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  765. The idea he is a humble lawyer with no bank account does not pass any kind of make sense test ...
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  766. This is a good point that does not get made nearly often enough.
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  767. If Medero was problematic democratically his replacement is a total nightmare. The military replacing a democratically elected leader even with problems is by definition a coup. One does not have to support Medero to call this power grab what it is and our government supports it because the new leader will hand out the resources to the highest bidder.
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  768. Johnny Dylan This bill is a nightmare for anyone who is not super rich or a corporation. Cons will hate this too when it shakes out.
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  769. Tulsi is a weak copy of Bernie who agree's with Dave Rubin on immigration and Hillary Clinton on the war on terror. She no longer supports medicare for all, completely dismissed. Bernie/2020
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  770. Voting rights, what a fact free joke you people are.
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  771. If you can buy the hogwash that bible is backed by science you might as well belive in your giants and add unicorns and trolls too. Ps you sound really crazy just so you know.
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  772. She is a pale copy of bernie. He out powers everyone on your list. If and when he runs the job is his.
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  773. stargazer228 That is lot of stupid being it punches the vast majority of them in the face too. I am not sure what kind of mental gymnastics they do to make this some kind of win for anyone but billionaires and multi nationals.
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  774. When you agree with the Taliban on anything you are generally going the wrong way.
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  775. Conservatives have always stood against equal rights and continue to. Progressives were the ones who stood against first slavery and then fought for civil rights. The conservatives have never been on the right side of history about slavery, woman's rights,civil rights, interracial marriage and now gay rights. The ideas your people fight for are consistently tossed on the trash heap of history while you try blame "the other side". You are the problem, the march of progress steps over you.
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  776. The fact is there is a lot more evidence Biden can't win than Bernie. It is like these people missed 2016 when Hillary lost running the same kind of empty nothing campaign. The idea these "centrists" are good at winning elections is betrayed by their consistently failing record in the general.
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  777. You personify ignorant, calling you stupid is an insult to the stupid.
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  778. The attacks on him are empty and that he has a successful book does not make him the enemy. I question the veracity of actual concern over this issue and it feels like another trumpped up establishment attack line with no merit.
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  779. Your points mean nothing without context and that you randomly ignore the reasons for these other crime rates shows you are not an honest actor. It really does matter if the crimes are committed with guns, we are talking about the effectiveness of gun control. Our murder rates are second to none in the 1st world nations. No one can have any idea if you include jay walking in your list of "crimes"as the definition is subjective depending on the region you describe. You do not have a good point.
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  780. He should not have been chased in the first place, Zim's efforts caused the whole thing to happen and if he had not instigated it he would not be charged with murder and a kid would not be dead
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  781. All he has to do reassign it from schedule one effectively decriminalizing it federally. It effectively makes it legal in all places that are driven by the federal statues and do not have their own.
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  782. Agree and did the same .. it felt like it was purposely telling half the story.
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  783. There is no good science in ID which is why they have published almost nothing since the 1987 ruling. That you can point to Mayer does not validate that "good science" exists out there as his paper is not strong evidence in support of your ideas. For a good many reasons the paper fails as a published work and has the same credibility of as any of the other papers published about failed ideas that are not supported by good science.
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  784. Calling out the hypocrisy of person who says they hate something they secretly are is a valid thing to do. It is their massive hypocracy that we attack and rightfully so.
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  785. I never said he meant to cause harm, you are putting words in my mouth. I do think it is logical he is afraid of a guy following him an neighborhood that is not his. I do think it is logical he reacted as he did to some yahoo chasing him down and then approaching while he was reaching for something that looked like it could be a weapon. It does no take logic to understand that gz followed him and if tm stopped it would not be hard to catch up. Use of logic is not a conservative strength.
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  786. They debates should not be owned by anyone! They should be spread as widely as possible.
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  787. She will get a bump from this if it does anything. The number of people waiting to hear what Clinton thinks is very small and already voting for Biden.
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  788. He leans right wing grift .. on vaccines, on public health policy, etc, etc.
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  789.  @havu2236  To question it is normal, to hang onto that questioning long after there are answers is self selected identity blindness. You are not informed if still scared of it. There was good reason to be skeptical about the vaccine when it first came out. The data was limited and the testing not as deep as we would have liked. But this is not December 2020 anymore and pretending it still is makes you look out of touch with reality. Any concerns around it are now well understood and it there is plenty of data validating that it is safe. There is nothing to be afraid of at this point, those days are well behind us. I pointed out the random attack on medicine and doctors in general is right leaning because that is the crowd who was duped by the fear porn that Russel (a guy I once respected) spits.
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  790.  @havu2236  The media made errors on selling it's total protection early on. There was truth on how well the vaccine protected against the original variant of the virus, new variants made the promise a lie. But the media failures does not validate running into the weeds to buy spin from people with even less credibility and data. Picking your medical data based on what how your chosen spin makes you feel is not the best way to do so. We understand all the issues with the vaccine now. We do understand all the potential long term fallout and the risks are acceptable. The talking point about side effects is now empty and deeply ignorant. The concern was once valid, but is no longer. There has been more testing as of now on this drug than most any other you have ever taken. Every government, every health agency and many independent agencies all now have eyes on this drug. There was a time where all these talking points made sense. Those days are rapidly fading into the rear view. The only people still sharing them are those who have invested their identity to grifters who should have no medical credibility to you at all. When it comes to medical science, I will always go with the professional consensus. You do you, but you need to understand you are not special or principled as you make this luddite choice.
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  791.  @havu2236  Pointing to a fringe selling fear porn unsupported by data does not validate you. Your argument is like finding a plumber who likes work in wood, that does not mean it is the best idea. The effectiveness as attached to total protection has been debunked as a lie from the media. The effectiveness as a protection against hospitalization and or death is in stone established now. The safety of the vaccine (short term or long) is no longer a valid concern. At the start, there were real valid questions to be asked. They have all been answered satisfactorily. You may have noticed, we are no longer at the start of this pandemic. It is time to stop pretending any authority backs your ignorance based spin up. The fact is those like you ignore all data, except data that props up your preconceptions. This is why you should be trusting professionals on this instead of your gut.
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  792. Whatever I am just calling bullshit where I see it. You have a typical conservative problem of just making shit up and ignoring the truth if favor of your manufactured non existent reality. When you share some facts, I will counter them. Idiotic conjecture like this smiling clown you support spits gets dismissed as a matter of course as it is entirely fact free and has no creditability until it is something other than a weak assertion.
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  793. Wrong again, only in your tiny fact free universe is this true. But then we already know how full of shit people like you are. Keep talking you prove our point with every world you share.
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  794. Trump enacted a policy that broke up families at the border when applying for Asylum. Obama had lost of problems with immigration and his treatment of this entire issue but pretending there is no difference in their policy is ignorant. I guess you did not pick up any non right wing talking facts when you were looking this stuff up. Obama does not have to be good for Trump to be far worse.
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  795. She needs to get out and onto an island somewhere. She is too frail and broken tk mix amoung normal people. Maybe get her her one of those hamster bubbles.
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  796. What did you major in, media deception or boot licking for dollars?
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  797.  @grief_hammer  Nice, their specialty.
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  798.  @grief_hammer  Well it will certainly make you fit right in when hanging with a certain crowd. Best of luck with your studies.
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  799. You can lock off content ... just saying.
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  800.  @FleurPillager  Choose three dots from something you do not want on your side bar to the right and select "Not Interested" Over time it will weed out that provider. This is not a block but will remove it from your unsubscribed feed.
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  801. Ya she was in the news cycle again for 15 minutes because hillary randomly slurred her.
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  802. Losing it? You mean by pointing out the question David asks "Will Bernie release his taxes?" has been answered?
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  803. Like I care who you were talking to you moron, this is public forum if you do not want responses to your idiotic posts do not sign in and ramble your gibberish.
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  804. He killed a boy on the way home from the store, I think that earns him a little judging. This is a clown that straps on a gun and wanders around his area calling the cops when he sees a black youth simply walking down the road. He then proceeds to ignore the cops and go gung and chases down the "criminal" he just imagined into existence. You are comical and no walking out side should not cause people to chase a 17 year old down. I can not say who he find suspicious be can say who he can kill.
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  805. @Eric Diaz Neither the cons or the liberals deserve your attention. That leaves the NDP which will be shit on by the media because they exist only to take votes away from the establishment liberals and give cons a chance to win. Your choices are slim and none, most are bad.
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  806. No conservative ones were.
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  807. Please understand I am not denying the inconsistency, I am simply saying there is no direct line from it to conspiracy. The fact is there are a great many explanations that are far more plausible for it than there was some kind of hoax where they pretended to kill children. Make no mistake, the burden of proof is 100% on you, your gut feelings will never ever count.
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  808. They lie by omission all the time to drive a narrative that has nothing to do with the truth. Fox audiences have been identified as the most poorly informed even when you include people who do not watch news. The "loony left" actually cares about things like the facts and truth, these are commodities that have absolutely no value to the ignorant sheep that wave the fox news flag like you.
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  809. They should not be a leader in any form.
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  810. We should be targeting all violent extremists and not just Muslim ones.
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  811. In this case I suspect that is by design.
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  812. She should have been removed after she presided over the loss of first a super majoirty and then every baranch of govenment including contol of most states. Descibing her as anyrhing but a proven loser is delusional.
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  813. You and your views are destined for the trash heap of history and it can not be too soon. You reek of ignorance and blatant stupidity, it was your kind that fought against civil rights and you lost then too. It it not a matter of if but when your backwards spin is completely marginalized.
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  814.  @dx1450  But In their heads they are all victim all the time
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  815. But it amazingly does sadly appeal to a significant segment of the population
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  816. You are doing a great job, your presentation is engaging and you seem like you are in your element. Keep it up.
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  817. He called him confused, what is your concern?
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  818. Costume CO Ah
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  819. Corruption that rises them up and gives them voice as a distraction from economic tyranny is the biggest problem. Most of our issues including this one stem from them.
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  820. They are naked propiganda packaged for a specific cult market.
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  821. Paganism is only "Lucifer worship" to the most ignorant of those who bought into dark age propaganda. It is no more devil worship than the gods of Greece and Egypt were. People have been celebrating around the end of December for as long as we have recorded history in many cultures around the world. That you call it spiritual surrender says more about your state of mind than it does theirs. People celibate the holidays of that become part of their culture, this is universal among all people.
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  822. That anyone actually believes the crap you sell never ceases to amaze me.
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  823. You are not one of the clowns who this law will affect then. You would not even notice it going into place and would have zero issues with it affecting your business.
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  824. Silly, no one ever thought Phil was on the left. He was always kind of goof and I am not surprised that he both knows nothing about politics and also spits empty, failed, right wing platitudes. The actual cult exists on the right, they have a proclivity toward conformity. Any time a right winger accuses you of something, it is very likely because it is what they either want to do or are already doing.
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  825. So you want to start picking peoples partners for them? Small government much?
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  826. Your ability to take in information and decide what is true or what is false was already in question because of the fact free content of your posts. You confirm it when you start guessing my age using your now clearly poor judgment and get it wrong based on your overwhelming personal bias. You appear to be clueless and wrong about almost everything you type, I was just letting you know in case you care. Being you are a troll, I suspect you do not but I extended the kindness anyway.
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  827. Anyone who is afraid to show thier face as they protest is likely just another ashamed bigot.
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  828. Worse than that for them, some of their software vendors no longer want to work for them, the DB vendor will no longer support them or extend licenses. Their chat for support and internal communications was terminated, ad delivery software vendor have terminated their agreements so no ads. At this point the cost of getting a working system with entirely new vendors who are willing to work with them is looking prohibitive. Do not expect them back anytime soon.
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  829.  @HansLennros-ry5iz  I was just boiling down the whole system to it's roots, to do so oversimplifies. Does not change the the statement is true even if correcting it is not a panacea for all our problems.
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  830. Yes, he is the spitting stupid talking points about absentee fathers. His hypocracy is relevant.
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  831. My argument is not that GZ was not in his car when TM ran and I am not sure how where he was is relevant to your point. GZ only became obese after the murder and the day of the killing he was no where close to obese and probably moved pretty quick but again that does not matter. TM was a in a fight or flight mode triggered by GZ's actions and that he decided to turn and fight was his option. Every single event of this sad chain was triggered by this failed vigilante's actions, he is responsible.
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  832. That is only because there is zero reason for them to vote republican.
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  833. The tobacco age law is a good thing and makes sense. If parents want their kids to smoke at home they can go buy their cigarettes, the rule is in place to limit access to tobacco for people who should not have access as a good rule. "Legal age" rules only prohibit purchase of said products, they do far more good than harm and do not change the fact that parents should be making the final choices. If anything rules like this attempt to force parents inclusion so that minors can get access.
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  834. Ranting about jews makes you look crazy. Just saying.
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  835. Bla bla bla bla ..You are just another religious wacjob with your own spin in a long line of them from many faiths over milena, you are all equally likely to be right which is approaching zero. Stand up, dance around, beat your back with a stick and talk in tongues that is your right. That being said no one cares what you think about gay sex or gay people, your views simply do not matter to anyone but you. No claim to serve a celestial sky daddy gives your bigoted views any more wight.
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  836. Read below where you referencing acting as "the most damning" peace of evidence. You did it earlier too, you need to read what you type. I have seen this argument before, I was to scour the internet for anyone that talked to Jeffery Domer before he was arrested I would find few examples there too. This is just odd and again does not prove your assertions are true at all.
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  837. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
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  838. Cities are going broke because the cost of doing business is going up do to inflation and our wages have been flat for the last 30 years. People like you always want to blame the middle class for our economic woes when there is one group who has absorbed all the growth while demanding they pay less tax.The advent of the multinationals who avoid paying local taxes and sneak their money out has been the chief catalyst in the fiscal woes of local government, not unionized workers.
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  839. You would not know logic if it bit your face. You have nothing but false spin and unsubstantiated accusations. As we learn what really occurred it makes your outrage go from justified to pathetic. You literally have nothing and it won't be long before no one pays any attention to this non issue but people just like you trapped in a fact free bubble.
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  840. No doubt your posts have the same kind of value to the defense.
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  841. I do not like Christan dogma but do not paint all christens with the same brush. To say atheists do that is yet another case of projection as they treat ANYONE including other Christians who disagree like pariahs. No one thinks they all beleive the same thing in spite of your assertions and your straw man arguments do not make it appear you are anymore thoughtful than the worst of them.
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  842. These are people who would step over the bodies of your family for another nickle and call that principled.
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  843. The issue is not with what were traditionally "woman jobs" over "mans jobs'. It is an issue where 2 people do the same job at the same level and the man arbitrarily makes more. If you want to base the pay on performance or skills do so but should not make the distinction because of the sex of the employee. There is meant to address an issue that a great many woman doing the same job are paid less than their male counterparts, this truth has nothing to do with what you are saying above.
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  844. Hate for Christians is not why liberals stand against you trying to impose your backward narrow beliefs on everyone else. No one is trying to deny christens any rights, our stand is not hypocritical in the least.
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  845. Is that all?
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  846. We are all immigrants smedly
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  847. It is not bigoted to attack group for being bigots. If you seek to diminish the rights of others you can not hide behind what you are guilty of by accusing others of it. They are "hostile" to these types of people not because they are religious but because of their bigotry. Religion is not the issue but a narrow bigoted interpretation of it. You have the right to hate anyone you want, you do not have the right for to demand everyone else sit around quietly and let you attack them.
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  848. And then went crazy grifting for cash ...
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  849. Good thing none of what you say helps sell your idea in any way. That you backward clowns can not agree what is truth even among each other is very telling about the value of what you each believe. The more you are seen talking the more sane people abandon any support for the garbage you spew, keep up the good work.
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  850.  @cjcholbert  Right, right if you ask me. When you put anti trans issues at the top of your concern list you are lost in, or pandering to the fringe.
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  851.  @cjcholbert  They are not opening a converstaon. They are arguing to impose their consistantly ignorant gut based views on others lives to make themselves feel better. The conversation as framed is at best dohonest as it masks itself as being concerned about the individuals effected. When in fact it is about making the people who complain feel superior and to give them reason to punch down like our society historically has. Other people's rights and liberty should not be up for debate becuase they annoy you. The people he debated were and are pandering. Arguing for individual rights is a left wing position many value including David. David is pretty consistant and has a main stream view point. The right is the only group that has gone insane on this one. They are forced to consistantly lie about it to even have a point.
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  852. Buddy lives in a fact free world.
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  853. Your version of reality is completely imagined up in your head. I am very open to ideas that make sense and are not based on some wing nuts spin of a conspiracy that is impossible to justify and has almost no value when compared with the cost and the risk it represents. When someone asserts something as bizarre as this you are doing yourself a disservice by not treating it skeptically until there is definitive or proof that you simply do not have.
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  854.  @raiden031  There is a reason we have rather conservative rules around when you can get an abortion. If the husband decides to kill that baby it is murder. Same with the woman doing so under or existing rules if she does so late term arbitrarily without a sound medical reason as the time for an optional non special circumstances abortion has passed. We have the rules we do in place specifically to cover the concerns you raise you pretend our laws do not address. The popular pro choice argument is not that woman should be able to terminate a pregnancy anytime. Very few are even arguing a pregnancy should be terminated at any time for any reason. We have set the current legal standard based on our understanding of fetal development and have taken the fetus into account in it. Abortion should be completely optional before that bench mark and only available after in special circumstances that are outlined. This is how our law has been applied.
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  855. Move to a desert island other than that .. pay your fair share.
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  856. Hey when you spit unjustifiable bullshit do not be surprised people call you on it. If the tin foil hat fits, wear it. As for why I am here, I would be interested in your very clearly informed opinion. Being called pathetic by a guy that speaks about Christmas being Lucifer worship and events that actually demonstrably happened as fiction does not hurt very much. Someone is a fringe dwelling wacko in this conversation and it is not me.
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  857. Regardless of what he meant to say this did not make him look particularly qualified to call anyone stupid.
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  858. Of course!!!!!! The GOP has been the same cancer since Reagan.
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  859. You have nothing but weak innuendo.
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  860. They admitted that "they" did. But as it turns out it was one conservative guy who fast tracked requests that did not even have to be made. The only reason to even apply for this status is a marketing tool so you can tell your donors that you will not reveal who they are. This entire issue makes painfully the conservatives who are complaining look painfully stupid.
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  861. They are someone with an opinion every bit as valuable as yours or some old guy in a funny hat they call the pope.
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  862. This is a tempest in tea pot. We gave warren a 100 chances. I am willing to reserve judgment and will wait and see.
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  863. You must define "fact" as meaning fact free assertion for your statement to be remotely true.
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  864. It might be until your ignorant ass is thrown in prison knuckle dragger ..
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  865. Good links on the subject.
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  866. As they yell bow your head they promote corruption and shrugging your shoulders at that is a real problem.
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  867. So everyone who advocates for them then?
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  868. This is silly taxes are theft spin. 'Voluntary payment' for any emergency or life saving service you need is not a model that works in any other case. It is spin that tacitly.promotes the status quo. Do you also advocate this is how we should pay for the fire and police departments too?
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  869.  @mrj3nk044  All it would take.is half the town to not find them and then it would not matter if you are willing to pay. so it is with health care. the voluntary spin is a canard meant to promote tax cuts that service the richest alone.
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  870.  @mrj3nk044  All critical services are, no one informed wants a for profit fire\police department or military and that is the way it should be for health coverage too. Every other developed nation already understands this. Allowing citizens to die to serve a useless for profit middle man and your twisted version of morality is an indefensible policy. Everyone should pay into a service we all will need. Attaching it to taxes ensures everyone pays according to thier means and is covered. Call that force if you want to, I see that as silly spin.. Funding automaticly ensures equality of opertunity and saves lives at a reduced cost.
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  871.  @mrj3nk044  There is no working model of the system you advocate for because it is not tenable. Like all libertarian/anarchist economic spin it would never survive contact with reality. Your take is naked support for doing nothing.
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  872.  @mrj3nk044  Fair. Point of note you should consider adopting different framing to promote your ideas if you wish to sell them to those who do not buy Into the concept of taxes as theft or force. The voluntary angle only appeals to people who are already bought into it. You end up sounding like a vegan who calls everyone who eats meat a murderer when most do not see livestock as people. it automaticly estranges them from your point. Just something to consider as you evangelize what you think.
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  873.  @mrj3nk044  That greatly depends on how one defines force. Do I think there needs to be rules that fund public investment for common needs? Reality indicates yes, places with no taxes have poor services. I reject the concept of taxes as 'force' used in this pejorative and emotionally manipulative way just like I reject vegans calling me a killer because I eat meat.
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  874.  @mrj3nk044  There are lots of people who do not. At best It estranges you from access to banks and property ownership. At worst you go to jail. I would argue it should have consiquences. Because you do not contibute you do not gain the full benefits of citizenship or are punished according to law we all understand exists. I personally find our system heavy handed by putting people in prison. But the fact this reserved for the most egregious offenders. In other Countries like Canada no one goes to jail for failing to pay taxes due. No one shows up with guns there so I imagine you support their form of taxation if your objection is consistant. But back to us, you have choices and if you choose to stay here and break the law I do not have much more sympathy for you than any other thief. Perhaps people with your spin should move to a place that suits your level of desired socital engagement. It sounds like you might be happier in a place like Somalia where thier tax structure is a living breathing example of what you argue for.
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  875.  @mrj3nk044  I guess I do if I use your skewed definition of the word force. I personally do not share your manipulative emotional framing of the word in this context. I once shared your spin but have since dismissed it. As I said before I no longer see taxes as a use of force. I look at this as word play meant to trick people into working against their own interests in favor of the richest in a race to the bottom. It should not be surprising this framing is consistently written by billionaire funded think tanks to get support for their tax cuts. People with your spin have many of the same fatal issues with their ideology as pure communists do. Your well meaning but naive ideas have never survived contact with reality intact as intended because they ignore key real word issues not addressed by your solutions.
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  876.  @mrj3nk044  Even if I was to concer with your assertion that use of force is always morality invalid (and I do not) I do not see taxation as a qualifying use of force by default. If you sent someone at me you would be breaking the same set of laws that compels us to pay taxes. We live under the protection of those laws against those stronger or more willing to apply force on us. Because we live in a society of laws I am not subject to your or anyones tyranny. As explained you are not free to do apply force on me. Break our social compact at your peril becuase it applies to you
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  877.  @mrj3nk044  It is arguable a system of taxation mitigates other use of force by more powerful individuals and groups against us. Taxes are an acceptable use of.force to people like me because without the force it represents we are subject use of force by individuals with out your moral center.
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  878.  @mrj3nk044  Except in practice all it takes is a few powerful individuals to break your system. Sadly not everyone is as altruistic or enlightened as you are. To achieve anything as a country sized group someone has to control force. The use of force by groups or ruthless individuals within any given society has to be mitigated. Your system does not exist as a successful model because like idealized communism it does not account for rampant greed or overt corruption at all. I would argue an admittedly imperfect governmental system which has a mechanism to be reformed mitigating that force is better than handing it to the powerful as your system will by default. What is not acceptable is not having any protection at all and being at the mercy of the powerful's good intentions alone.
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  879. The stopping of the redefinition of a word should never override the extension of equal rights under the law for all citizens. In this case the law is denying gay couples the rights and responsibility of marriage based on an old definition, unless there is a better reason besides a non willingness to change the definition from man and woman to consensual couple the anti gay marriage stance has no valid argument.
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  880. You and anyone like you will be crushed by any "tyrannical" government worth that title the first time you take your actions to deeds. That you think you need a semi automatic to defend yourself from murders and rapists perhaps it is time to move.
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  881. TYT and midweek are not saying guns should be banned, you need to pay attention to what they are actaully saying. Reasonable restrictions on certain weapons and background check is not "liberals are trying to take our guns" that the right wing is spinning it as.
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  882. They key is who they hate more.
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  883. Especially when they put the tac to the balloon all on their own.
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  884. MLK did not want see his fellow Americans becomes slaves of anyone least of all were heartless corporations and big money. He stood up for the little guy against the corruption that is even worse today than it was in his time. He was labor organizer and leader of men and would have nothing to do with your thinly vied desire for complete corporate control of our lives. A country by the rich for the rich and the rest of us should be grateful for the crumbs. You are the toll and a bad one at that.
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  885. You can bet the shallow end of the gene pool is well represented.
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  886. Your spin is really weak and you should actually try out that weak ass trick before bragging about it. It is clear the only way you can win an imaginary debate against a liberal is put your words in their mouth. You would never catch anyone competent with that trick as it is conservatives not liberals who hate everything about welfare, Mitt's dad is a actually prime example of why how it can work. Please know that no one is watching you for sage advice, even a clown as clueless as Huckabee.
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  887. Every work place matters, if the tech and engineering sectors are good we only have to deal with all the other ones.
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  888. David you could make that argument and you would be correct ....
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  889. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
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  890. But they like that, they love any corruption that serves them They are trying to put a criminal in charge as we speak
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  891. Genius? Not sure we define the term the same way ....
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  892.  @jtbrewer752  He is an effective emotional communicator. That does not take genius, it is an intuitive skill common in performers of all types. I would agree he is clever. But the fact is he has chosen to support ideas that are not because they make him money. He is either not a genius and is sharing what he see's as compelling spin. Or he is a genius and knows he regularly argues for indefensible nonsense but does not care because it is effective in drawing views Either way the true value of his intelligence has been abandoned or never existed in the first place.
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  893.  @jtbrewer752  Not genius, it takes moral cowardice or overt ignorance. I would argue he is more of a very capable opportunist than a genius. The market he sells to does not require genius to make it's appeal. He needs to sound smart as part of the grift but does not need to have a thought deeper than a puddle. He is either an actual genius and does not deserve accolades for choosing the dopiest, easiest path to clicks and views. Or he is not one and still does not deserve any flag waving for being anything but entertaining. The distinction does not amount to a difference to me. Genius is as genius does..
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  894. Name me the last states to enact MLK day, you can bet your ass not one of them is blue. If MLK was such a conservative hero why was it the conservative states were so reluctant to ratify his holiday. I will tell you why he was no con, people like you would call him "communist" today. When you talk about indoctrination centers I have no idea where those places are but it is a pretty safe bet they are all in the south and work on the writing of history to make cons positions less repugnant.
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  895. One would think he would be pro impeachment if he actually believed that it would turn us into a 3rd world state. His polices race us toward 3rd world status as we speak. If he was consistent he would cheer on his impeachment as it would hasten the collapse he has clearly been working toward on behalf of the GOP donors like the silver spoon trust fund baby he is.
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  896. Look I do not care what you would have done as you were not there and do not appear to be able to put yourself in the shoes of someone that feels like they are being stalked. I does not matter if you think you would be scared as it is completely irrelevant. Your picture of events is not correct because put that way you would never frighten a boy into running because of it. That you do not see it was GZ that completely was the unjustified driver of all of these events marks you as blind.
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  897. It you do not see liberals talking bout the drug war you are not looking,
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  898. 1911GreaterThanALL Funny thing is no one needs an AR-15 for hunting. I hunt deer myself and do not even use a semi automatic because I am hunting and not in a war zone. The point is it does not fucking matter what the definition of assault rifle is in respect to having comprehensive background checks. You are being purposely obtuse with this meaningless argument which an example of what he is saying.
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  899. So lets get this strait, democracy is what is causeing our mess. Nice spin you have there we have too much democracy, pathetic.
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  900. Saw you there, congrats!
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  901. That he joined with Trump who is antithesis of someone godly speaks to what a idiot mess Alex is.
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  902. It is not clear you understand what a fascist is. Health regulations are almost never optional.
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  903.  @adlucem9845  They openly lied about the Jews, they used the trope about them spreading disease building on spin still shared by bigots today. They turned the country against a specific race that already long been persecuted. That is not what is happening here. We have a minority of NPC's who are afraid of medicine because of their facebook feed. You are acting like a medical Mennonite, because you choose it you are not a persecuted minority. You opt in. No one is proposing camps, they are stopping you from going to bars. Your spin is hyperbolic and ignores the root of the Nazi desire which was exactly like far right is even today. Bigoted anti immigrant, ultra nationalist, pro military and the police. Pretending they hid their assault of the Jews under a pretense of an outbreak is a tiny slice of the story and ignores the root of it or the fact they openly derided them for other reasons too. None of these rules around promoting public health are fascist. Attempting to say otherwise ignores that public health regulations are almost never optional. They never were.
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  904. Media is generally complicit in their failures.
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  905. Very well put.
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  906. You are correct, typically athiests say they do not believe in a god because there is no evidence. Most do not say for certain there is no god out there even if they they are willing to say the specific gods being sold by the religions around them are not real because of their clearly man made origins and tenants..
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  907. Pádriag Pearse You are a tribal throw back who has not eye to the future or even what your regressive tribalism would mean to your country or those in it.
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  908. People need to block the corporate channels. we need to turn them off our feeds on mass.
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  909. Or in this case mental illness.
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  910. I personally would counsel against abortion for any but the most dire circumstances. But unlike you I understand that it is the choice of the woman and it is almost always a very hard one to make. If it is used like "birth control" I wrinkle my nose at it too but that does not mean I condemn the person for making that call. No one but a monster gets an abortion lightly and your spin completely misrepresents virtually every woman who has made the difficult choice to get one.
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  911. In one word, Yes. 1.812 T is from the bush tax cuts.1.469 T is from the wars he started, 180 B is from medicare drug plan giveaway he put in place and another 1.5 other new spending. That adds up to 5.07 T he cost us before he handed over a crippled economy as opposed to Obama who spent 1.4 T in new spending. I am not O biggest fan but it is by no means Obama's debt to anyone who does not swallow fact free partisan spin.
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  912. Is true, most people who do not yet have the shot are only hesitant, not overt cultists.
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  913. This is going nowhere ... these clowns are exposed as what they actually are. This is the right wing snowflakes who want twitter to be a safe space and they really require trigger warnings.
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  914. What have I lied about? You are a clueless and a lost cause. Nothing will ever validate your spin or vindicate you because it simply did not happen. Nothing like this would ever be undertaken in our system unless there was a bright line to some definitive goal involving profit. That in itself is the most damning thing against what you imagination tells you it true. Call me blind, it means little from the likes of you.
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  915. Fundamentalist christens have many of the same problems as fundamentalist Muslims. The worst of the Christians actually kill doctors in their gods name. Both religions are guilty of trying to force their world view onto everyone else. They are equally as guilty of this and would legislate their views into law given half a chance. If you believe in freedom standing against these people is the only correct thing to do as they do not value it all. Liberals abhor fundamentalism not Christians.
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  916. Mine is red.
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  917. Here are your fema concentration camps right wingers ... this is what the right has always been about even as they pretended the left wanted the same thing
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  918. establishment losers including all the conservatives have no policy for Americans and push stupud wedge issues and fact free talking points. these assholes are the radicals, radically corrupt.
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  919. What you define as an "intolerable human rights violation" is competently different than most of us. Parents are the ones who stop kids from smoking or drinking but there is no harm in restricting access to children so that parents actually have more control. If these products are freely available to any age the parents lose their ability to limit access to everyone's detriment except the retailers. Controlled products are a not a human rights violation no matter how loud you yell they are.
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  920. The guy who pulled the name was a conservative and he made sure they got through. He did not do it to stop them but ensure they passed and guess what they all did.
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  921. I "hang off" no ones balls but when I see fundamentally false unsubstantiated garbage coming from a recognized troll like yourself I enjoy calling out your falsehoods. Delving deeper into anything is definitely not your style and just like always predictable your snap judgment has zero value as it is backed by the weakest of spin of a transparently partisan nature. Being below you by any standard is practically impossible as a bottom feeding troll with nothing valid to say is very very low.
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  922. You are clueless. That's a fact!
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  923. You sound like a dude. The fact is TZ was not a criminal by anyone's account and had no reason to run outside your imagining him into being some kind of person that was walking around guilty. There is no way for TM to know GZ was a watch guy, none. Based on the call he was moving away and then ran, GZ chased .. and TM turn to face his the unknown assailant who then by his own account reached for a phone which could have been mistaken for reaching for a gun. This is all on Georgie boys head.
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  924. He has to fight the establishment democrats anyway. Attacking the cons when you do not have your hands tied behind your back like corperate democrats do means the Republicans can be put in jeapoedy in their own states for clearly selling out thier constituancy. Traditional democrats never do this because they are guilty of the same things with thier own donors. Bernie walks round this issue while retaining all his earned cred.
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  925. The woman is a menace, secret service should be paying her a visit.
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  926. You are, you are asking gay people to respect your backwards spin on marriage because of tradition and what you think god wants. You are not only asking us to respect it but want the countries laws we all share bent in your favor even if we do not agree with you at all. I do not expect or need respect or even tolerance from you, but that is the great thing about our system I do not need it to move past you to support the idea people should be able to marry who they love.
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  927. Frankly I do not not support the soda ban, if people want drink a barrel of soda (not that they should) they should be free to do it. I would imagine you would find a great deal of support inside progressive circles that do not agree with things like the soda ban. The left does not march lock step with one another like the right seems to. I have no issue with an outlook that embraces both a woman's right to choose to give birth or not and what size soda she buys.
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  928. Sad loser, do something with your time besides really weak trolling.
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  929. The president is defacto head of the party. If Bernie wins he can do a great deal to reform it for the next election and ensure that the organisation supports progressives instead of spitting on or ignoring them.
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  930. Bullshit, it is a simple attempt to deny people who do not generally vote for republicans access. There is no cheating your assertion is baseless. More people died from vending machine accidents than were arrested for voter fraud, it is basically a non existent problem. You people need to quit talking out your ass in the presence of those who know what the facts are.
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  931. Does anyone imagine Bernie is pro war or would be drone striking like trump is right now?
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  932.  @DanA-nl5uo  Is why I think she would be good on the ticket.
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  933. That any one nods along to this idiot should not be shocking but somehow is, David you are a patient man to deal clown.
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  934. They may have equal rights but are still paid 75% of what a man is to do the same jobs. That some groups think they should have the right to underpay some of their workers based on sex is no reason to support them doing it. Voting against this legislation was unsupportable.
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  935. Not twisting the facts, you are marking a boy who was on his way to the store in an area he does not know well as justifiably linked to home robberies. Coming back from the store with candy for your brother is not the kind of time where you take short cuts through a pretty unknown area that make you look like a thief. There is simply nothing to back up your spin and you are the only one who is "twisting" anything. Speaking of insane, look in the mirror if that will not turn you to stone,.
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  936. Because it helps things and they are in business to make sure government fails and does not work.
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  937. Ya you did, people like you consistently argue against anyone getting a retirement package after many years of service. Especially if an "evil" union bargained for it. NO ONE gets full pay after retirement, typically the arrangement is 1/2 pay after 20 years and 3/4's after 30 years of service. Cities have been going broke because the revenues have remained flat or declined as all or our growth has been going to a tiny fraction of people at the top. Try reading the post I originality replied to
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  938. She has no chance. do not get your hopes too high
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  939. Bullshit, bull shit and oh bullshit. There is no anti-capitalism schools most of which are capitalistic enterprises themselves. She is part of a clueless minority who attack schools in general as the more ignorant their constituency is the better.
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  940. Orange Sphincter The dems are not remotely left, they drifted right if they drifted anywhere. Obama promised change and gave us pocket change and Hillary said she would continue with the status quo which saw GB's tax cuts made permanent and all of his wars to continue. That is why they lost and it was because she was shown to be a liar and sellout not because she was remotely left. The fact is the dems under Obama were basically indistinguishable from 90's republicans and even on social issues only came around after the massive majority backed them.
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  941. They are not right either, justifying injustice by pointing to injustice is not a valid stance.
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  942. You are right, It does not sound like a location I would buy into either.
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  943. They do not have the murder rate we do. They do not have the gun deaths we do by any stretch of the imagination. It is not because they do not have guns that this is occurring in their society but the fact guns are harder to get there it is not the blood bath it would be. Mark also that in 2011 they had their lowest murder rate in 12 years and your whole argument falls on it's face. There is already a defacto "underground" in gun shows, allowing it operate in the open does nothing valuable.
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  944. He is not being charged with getting out of his car, he killed a boy and is charged with murder 2 because of that fact. He is responsible for the whole even at he took it on himself to chase the boy down precipitating the confrontations that brought about the shooting. He has nothing to stand on and the death is totally on his head, he did not plan it but is still responsible, murder 2. You are the one who used touche ignorantly when you were not countering anything, I just pointed it out.
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  945. He did not get away he went out of sight, that is not the same thing. The zim thought it was a good idea to follow him is the reason the whole thing happened, the fact there was no reason for him to do so and he did it against the police instructions makes him responsible for everything that occurred after.
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  946.  @MegaDavyk  I literally did. I just read more than one article. I actually linked a pointent one above for anyone who is interested and can read. You have a MUCH MUCH higher chance of getting covid than the number you pulled out of ass would suggest. That chance of contracting the virus varies wildly based on how many people you contact, in what conditions and how many they contacted and those conditions. If you have any immuno problems or a range of conditions including obesity that high number goes up even more. Death is not the only concern when contracting this virus. 18 to 20% of people who contract covid have long term side effects that have persisted until now over a year after contracting it and recovering. There is also the issue that being unvaccinated you are fertile ground and are much more likely to get the virus than someone unvaccinated and if you do the chances it will be serious compared to them are exponentially higher. The community you represent are now the breading ground for new ever more deadly and contagious variants as we speak. Don't trust these anti vax throwback cultists. We have beaten back virus's before. We have literally wiped out several and many others that were once common are rarely seen because in the last 50 years we have successfully vaccinated against them. The idea this technology is evil is conspiracy nonsense that has real world implications. For these people this is more like a religion or and an identity rather than an actual connection with reality or science. Never take medical advice from someone with talking points easily destroyed after a quick google search on your own.
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  947. I would encourage everyone to do their own research too. But please do not start with a conclusion. Look at all the information including the stuff the preaching anti-vaxer would have you ignore. Just like the faithful will tell you to ignore data and ideas that does not agree with them so do the anti-vaxers. The more they tell you to ignore this and ignore that the more they look like a fact free cultists. This guy above makes my point for me. The anti-vax spin was once a quaint anomaly that harmed relatively few people as the key issues we faced were dealt with by the vast majority who got vaccinated with the full series as infants. In this day and age this anti-vax nonsense is going to kill and cripple fellow citizens. It is the key to prolonging this mess we all find ourselves in. The dangers of any of the approved vaccines are infinitesimal compared to the threat of getting it or contributing to the creation of the next variant. We need to address problems of a pandemic by acting like a community. Not picking our favourite luddite cult and burying our heads in the sand. We need to avoid the temptation to ignore reality no matter how good, special or falsely clever it makes us feel.
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  948.  @MegaDavyk  Sounds like you had a bad go of it but that does not validate you throwing the baby out with the bath water. I am as experienced as you and have an entirely different perspective. I am not booster of big pharma in any way and recognize their greed consistently costs lives. I do so even as I recognize many of the drugs they produce make a huge difference in the quality of millions lives. The innoculations no matter what brand you choose all have value. You are of an age you might know people just a little older than you who contracted polio but no one younger. That is due to a vaccine that eradicated a once crippling ailment. If we ignore this virus and let it run rampant it will grown more virulent and dangerous over time. We need to end it so we can get back to normal. If all it takes is another jab in a long line of them that has saw our generation grow up free from the plagues of those before us so be it. Your mind is not open, as you choose to ignore any data that steps on your new world view you act like a fundamentalist ignoring uncomfortable questions about their god. I understand the risks and concerns around this technology in it various forms. None of those concerns outweigh the threat of highly infections mutating novel virus free roaming your community. If you hate Pfzier I get it, choose another less problematic vendor and get your shot. Be part of the solution instead of being part of the problem.
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  949. Um it is you who have no facts, they were watching the basketball game when he went to the store. Common sense dictates I do not strap a gun to my hip and chase random teenagers through my local neighborhood, that I listen to the cops when they tell me not to follow and that people who run from me are afraid. You have nothing and this is about him killing a boy because of a situation he cause, it is the definition of murder 2 and he is going down.
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  950.  @Aa-fg6jf  Not mass murder, that is what you support when you vote for pro war candidates.
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  951. Why would they want to win when they can just choose another loser shill to prop up?
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  952.  @luked3996  The gun anarchy promoted by the gun manufacting lobby which owns the gop and bought a large number of dems owns much of it. Couple that with overt support of radical and overtly divisive ideas released in easily accessible formats contributes too. We have large groups of people who have been radicalized as an incidental side-effect of the culture war promoted to distract the public from the fact our leaders do not work for us and only serve the highest bidder. Corrupting media coupled with shitty policy and a focus on profit over lives has created a perfect storm that enables these shootings.
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  953. He could have been home sooner if GZ had not started chasing him in the first place triggering the whole confrontation, if bullshit was gold you would be rich, your if's mean nothing. No one should care he sounded calm and rational on the phone and it is not relevant, The word Touche should only be used when you make a point that scores point in your argument, this does not. He stalked a black kid on his way home from the store, chased him when he turned and fought he gunned him down.
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  954. Idiocy and misrepresentation of others views in pursuit of an ignorant partisan agenda is much more dangerous. Wow, conservationism is fact free and is openly does not understand the opposition and demonizes it by putting words in our mouths, who would have thought.
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  955. The right has been making it a primary platform thing since Roe, the idea the dems should ignore what 70% of the country wants is silly.
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  956. Your ignorance is showing. Out side your fact free bubble there are things we call facts and information and all you have is baseless propaganda that is unsupportable in the light of day. The more people like you there are in the open talking and sharing your ideas the better off we all are as you guys literally make the sane run away from your side. Anyone who is still sitting on the fence due to apathy only has to see a couple of your posts before they see you for what you are, clueless.
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  957.  @sandyhossman7771  As you should
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  958. Not gonna get any specifics about why I am betting?
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  959. Little boy, pffff. Your ability to read and look up profiles is a accute as your grasp on history or the nature of reality, really weak.
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  960. The Sparkle Zone I believe we agree except on how long these people have been in charge. They crazy SJW crowd are a pretty new phenomena and are actually well meaning but very plainly poorly focused. The value of SJW work like that of MLK is critical but like everything can be taken too far and these people are a personification of that failure. The real issue is we do not have enough sensible people coming out and helping with a group like JD. The most focused people who are willing to give time and energy are the kind of people who jump off this crazy cliff. It is a catch 22 when looking for volunteers to make something work while those who volunteer are often the most extreme version of idea we support in principle but can be too much as this example shows. Like everything there is nuance to be had here, these people need to be refocused on what matters.
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  961. You are .. not your moron. Calling someone an idiot while brutally mangling common english does not give you much credit.
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  962. Fuck that, you may not care about children dieing but people of good conscience should.
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  963. Pro birth, they do not care about life at all.
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  964.  @sentientfetus3894  When you start with a false premise you can help but be wrong.
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  965. That is what you do is repeat a lie but you have no issue doing it as long as it serves your narrow twisted interest. You clowns could never show how this event cause your groups any harm and now the facts are out we know why, because there was no harm done. We should have know that if there was any issue with fraud or a twisting of the rules we would find a con at the root of it.
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  966. Pretending thier choice to visit is popular anywhere is empty.cope. They are hard in the wilderness.
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  967.  Marc Ruffalo  That is silly.
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  968. Ross Kirkendol This does makes sense. You want to make more money even if you are taxed more because you end up with more money in your pocket no matter what. It is a total fabrication to pretend everyone has the same opportunity and it is an entirely fact free claim. Actually economic mobility has been consistently decreasing as the rich game the system for the last 3 decades. That one person pays more when they make more actually is the only system that makes sense, if you take more benefits from living in the society you pay more. The fact is the person who makes 20k barely has enough to live on so taking the same amount from them is not equity it is overt cruelty in an effort to create wage slaves. The idea you how much you make is based on how hard you work is total nonsense. There are people who never spent a whole day actually working who are rolling in cash while others who work 3 jobs are poor. The spin we need to give the rich more when they have never ever been richer in history of man is poorly thought out shill talk. Paying a little more in taxes for the benefits for doing well is more than reasonable and your desire to burden those who work every day as lazy and not deserving of a life is a sickening defense of overt greed.
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  969.  @manniefresh3425  It does mean you think they are baby making machines before they are people. Their lives are of no importance to you. This issue is all about you and your good feels. You can not even say you care about the children who's bodies you would step over if they are born poor. You are not pro life, you are pro birth. You want laws written that only apply to woman like they have in Saudi Arabia. Abortion is a wedge issue weaponized by the dishonest gop to trick well meaning people into supporting overt corruption under the guise of pompous inconsistent misguided moral posturing. News flash all of the free world supports a womans right to an abortion. the only places that do not are backward religious and patriarchal societies who consider woman to be chattel and the property of their husbands or fathers.
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  970.  @Jacob-yd7gd  the woman on stage match the chacture he describes.
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  971. Troll
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  972. As opposed to voting for a party who wants the not to get an education? What is your point, anyone sane should not support clowns who do not value something as important as the education our children get. We pay taxes and should expect our government works for us and not the big banks , oil interests and the military industrial complex.
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  973. There are better explanations for any inconsistency than the government is doing a giant coverup involving thousands to enact profitless policy that a significant part of the countries leadership is dead set against. To prove what your point you need to confirm the children never existed or the parents are in fact actors with no children. That media is was in massive collusion to lie or that any of this is directly tied to the president and you simply can not do any of that.
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  974. Common sense, a couple of words that you do not appear to understand after the ignorant trash you posted before it. The more people like you talk in public the more reasonable people will run away from any candidate you support. Keep up the good work.
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  975. I do not care why it was founded. It is an institution to create family in our society and it is a burden that you deny it to them because it carries legal rights and responsibilities that gay couples deserve as much as you do. You are going to have to do better than we used to do it this way if you are going to justify denying them a fundamental tool we all use in the building of our families.
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  976. You are a sub moron, no one cares what you think.
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  977. They are less than fun at parties anyway.
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  978. The problem for many polls is they only call land lines not cell phones, this automatically skews the sample to older people as a default. The over sampling Kyle speaks about is a real issue and can misrepresent common support on issues like this pretty radically. It is not irresponsible at this point it is intentional.
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  979. Antifa meets the violence of the fascists they oppose head on. I do not support them. Thst being said to pretend they are the problem when they are only a mirror image of the cancer they oppose is silly. There are litterally no anti facists with out fascists. Fascists do not value any speech but their own. Free speech is not and never will be a facist principle.
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  980. Religiously dropping is not a concern, it is major win. If you have ever been to church, you know it is just time being lectured to. It teaches you nothing new about morality or living that you do not learn in normal day to day life. If you like simple answers to complex questions and want a bunch of superficial associates, religion has value. Going to church is little more than a social group, a platform for those who crave conformity. Our social issues are not attached to its decline, I would argue evangelicals are at the heart of empowering the corrupt cancer that is our root issue. They have been weaponized against all our interests over wedge issues and feeling based policy to undermine our democracy and individual freedom.
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  981. I do not need infallible evidence, you do and the fact is you simply do not have it. You are the one who is challenging reality not me. You have evidence but none of it directly supports your theory unless you guess at the motivation for them and arbitrarily assign the information as supporting you. Even if someone did lie, there are great many reasons they might do that other than for the hoax. You need to support the idea of a the hoax or tie these people together and you can not do that.
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  982. Yes but one would think that if there was a motive they would assure they could actually follow it through. If the pro gun lobby could get hard info supporting this position they would not gleefully spread it around. The power associated with the lobby that smiles at these conspiracy theories is such that if the information was available it would be shouted from the roof tops. You have circumstantial spin that is completely explainable without a conspiracy that does not make any sense.
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  983. A liar preaching to an idiot choir .. he is all straw men and lies. He has nothing behind his dishonest misdirection! Ron is the picture of triggered.
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  984. Not what the studies on the subject say, there my be a slight increase in that age range's deaths but not so much as you would notice it as a funeral directory. Calling bullshit on what your our anecdote means.
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  985. I think I draw from archetypes that match to the character in my mind, they are likely composed from faces I may have seen but are never recognizable as anyone specific unless I have seen the book made into a movie first. The fact is I never really have to see them clearly as i read to enjoy the story.
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  986. It is not about changing their mind, it is letting those who follow them hear a good argument for a change. It is worth it for the exposure of to a new audience and if he picks up one new listener it will be worth it. No one who listens to him now is going to move over to his debate opponent. He has nothing to lose.
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  987. They are insignificant and do not represent any large constituency or block of power. Their entire attack is a straw man meant to distract you from the fact the policies they push are universally regressive and when it comes to economics always against your interest. They tie you up with stupid wedge issues and concerns about competing athletes and bathrooms when these are non issues to everyone but you and those like you to cover for more of the same old same out which is generally restrictive and backward.
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  988.  @S3maxime16  No one is seriously talking about reparations. It was a talking point meant to try to smear Bernie while the corpratist candidates paid lip service to it and offered things that had nothing to do with reparations. No one has a policy more complicated than we will look at it on the table. The people speaking out against "transgender policies" are the same bigots who have marginalized them for decades. There is not one serious issue associated with trans people that is not built on a overt and historical desire to marginalize them. Every single "issue" is a tempest in a tea pot that often sounds reasonable on the face but falls apart when you look at the scope of severity of the problem. Marr is earning the label. The issue is he is accepting the fundamentalist framing of the issue and ignoring his secular roots. He may not be an "islamiphobe" but when he frames the issue from the exact same angle as actual self declared Islamophobes he will get tarred with that brush. When you lay down with dogs you get fleas. The fact is Marr has been pushing a much more establishment line the last few years and he seems pretty out of touch as he spits right wing platitudes and talking points on the subject. The authoritarian left as basically no power and no progressive representation. The do not and never have represented progressive values and are called regressive because they fail in the same way cons do.
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  989. One out of 40 some .. nice record.
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  990. Heath care is like oxygen we all need it. That we have commodified he opportunity at continued life itself and these middle men who bring no value make the call based on their profit is sickening to a rational mind. The major problem is there is no competition as they all band together to for a status quo. A federal system would offer real competition to force prices down and another non profit option that is what our system desperately needs. The best system in the world are all public.
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  991. If we did that we would be the superpower china of he 1400's and we know how that ended. The fact is our entire economic structure is based on trading with "non whites" and that you imagine it has been any other way for the last 70 years is a joke. Your desire to promote a freeken single skin color would be laughable if it was not so backward and sickening. You have no clue about economics either it appears, I have no time to school you on this too.
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  992. We shipped more jobs overseas this year than in the last 7 ...
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  993. Well there you go, I am concerned about murder. Understand my argument is founded in fact proven over and over, that they have better gun control is unequivocally understood as the main reason they have less murder. The reasons for their spike in "crime" (whatever you mean by that) are not that they lack weapons but because the economic crash hit them a lot harder. That they tried to cut their way out of it compound their problems socially and economically. Yet murder rates, a 12 year low.
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  994. That has nothing to do with this issue. And as far as donor lists, they should not be private anyway I will not weep for any liberal or con who is outed as supporting any group.
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  995. No one believes a thing you say either, go back to Alex Jones channel they will eat your bullshit up there.
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  996. I have no idea why you feel you have to "defend" yourself like you live on some wild west frontier. Having a loaded gun around in case of attack opens me to more danger every day then I will ever likely face from an attacker. That you are more concerned about rapists than someone you know getting hurt with your loaded semi auto shows your priorities are skewed toward paranoia. I do not feel threatened in my own home and count on a bat that any attackers can not shoot me with if they get it.
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  997. The things you like make you look like a simpleton ... :)
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  998. We do talk about his policies along wit the fact he is hiding something from everyone ... these are not mutually exclusive topics.
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  999. Racial hate may as the backward clowns that once dominated our society are shamed into silence.
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  1000. That does not mean they do not routinely deny coverage for any reason that can. Their roll is not to provide a service but make money and the fact they virtually sell oxygen and are in collusion with each other means your choices are slim and none. They offer literally zero value to the health care equation and are parasites who increase the cost of all of our health care while offering us nothing. Without a public option to offer competition for profit insurance has zero value.
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  1001. That is the worst puritan argument I have ever heard and it is the only one you guys fall back to. It is one purpose of sex but if it is the only reason you are probably doing it wrong. A fetus is not a child no matter how hard you want to spin it that they are. You can not force any parent to go through any other medical procedure for their living breathing child it stands to reason you can not do it for an unnamed lump of cells. It is not up to you to determine what is a good reason.
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  1002. As usual the evaluation of the actual numbers does not back you up and there is no support for your fact free all caps statement.
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  1003. Dr Brown does a better job of looking sane than most like him but anyone that fights to limit the rights of other consenting adults based on their own spin is wrong. I would fight for his right to think and believe whatever he wants to but the moment he extends his belief onto others it is a bridge too far and must be fought for the same reason. He grills Brown with tough questions that no one around him would ever ask and pinning him in a corner is exactly what he deserves from my perspective.
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  1004. It does not matter where you get your ignorant spin from, it is still ignorance.
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  1005. Again it is you and those like you who do not understand the time line of any calls. There is no other reason for the boy to be out and his family waiting for him back home. The story about what TM was doing out that evening is supported by witnesses and what he had on him when GZ killed the boy. One guy was armed out that evening looking for trouble, first calling cops making a boy run and then ignoring them, and it was not TM. If you listen to what happened your fantasy spin makes no sense.
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  1006. Ya freedom to peruse life and liberty not get shot by a yahoo cleaning his semi automatic. That people like you think you are going to take out the US government with the rifles you bought at wall mart means you have bought into the sales pitch spun out by gun manufactures and spread by paranoid lunatics. There is nothing to be gained by us all having semi's except more mass shootings. Crouching your is my basement like a fascist Chi Guevara counting bullets is never going to solve anything.
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  1007. Pull that strait out of your ass did you?
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  1008. Blind and insane, nice combo.
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  1009. The two terms are not mutually exclusive. To be an atheist you simply do not believe in a god, certainty plays no part in it. A simple lack of belief in one is enough. That you acknowledge there may be a god is not the same as believing in one so you can be agnostic and atheist at the same time.
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  1010. Vance was a never Trumper, he slipped back and they was the MAGA voter
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  1011. Or worse hard core fiscal con ..
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  1012. No doubt he was "MEEK" he called the cops at drop of a hat by any sane standard. That night armed to the teeth ignoring the clear advise of law enforcement he was anything but meek triggering a 17 old boy to run from him. Basically he did nothing of the kind, he directly ignored what he was told and instigated the whole incident from start to end. Calling is not against the law but it is easy to mark you as paranoid if you do it too much, read up on the boy who cried wolf, it is applicable.
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  1013. He ran because he saw zim and was frightened by him otherwise you have to explain why he ran and you can not. He chased the boy he frightened into flight and when TM turned and faced him reached for his phone that could easily be mistaken for an aggressive actions triggering TM's attack on him in self defense. He was already afraid and the entire event was triggered by zim's poorly thought out and ill advised actions.TM was not obliged to retreat under the law and decided to stand his ground.
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  1014. But it is not showing up that way to anyone else. Lock yourself in your ignorant bubble, it does not change reality.
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  1015. Scrutiny yes, wild speculation and crazy unjustifiable conclusions, no.
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  1016. That is what Justice Democrats are doing, look them up.
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  1017. Even now she only cares about them to further her own narrative, she is actually advocating for actions that would kill a significant number of them or people they know.
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  1018. There is no such study, just saying
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  1019. edward woods "Cutting entitlements are fine with me" This means you will pay more and get less, the crony capitaists are not cutting a thing and this plan is going to explode the deficit.
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  1020. Is fact! Republicans were the radical leftists in suggesting slavery be ended against the good capitalist plantation owners. It is little wonder you do not know this because to believe what you do you have to be clueless. Do some research facts not pulled strait out of a propagandists play book highlight just how out of touch people like you are.
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  1021. Seems to me you pick and choose what studies to pay attention to and even then are forced to twist them to your own ends as practically nothing supports you. You guys can only know a tiny bit and believe what you do or your position is completely undermined from the start, knowledge banshees your views like light does darkness.
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  1022. Or make them laugh the idea of being a con into the stone age where it belongs. If you think hearing Santorum speak will help, have at it hoss the more people that see that clown the more people will turn off the social conservative idiocy.
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  1023. Read what he said, no amount of evidence will change your mind. This is true as you do not value it. There has been plenty provided, that you simply reject or ignore it does not do your argument any service.
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  1024. Whats your point?
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  1025.  @ZAGGNUT1  Warren is not taking corporate money in the primary either. She needs to be pressured to continue that but the other candidates are already being bought.
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  1026. You have not giver proof of anything but the quality of your imagination. Any one of the events you have pointed out do not prove this conspiracy. Get some real proof, not the parents were smiling = must be a hoax, Obama wiped his face = must be hoax. no one saw Adam = must be hoax. None of that is proof! It is all odd but none it remotely links to Obama or that it was a giant fake. It shocks me that you think it does.
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  1027. Incompetece is the soup these losers swim in.
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  1028. You seem to have the ability to pull facts out of your ass, I have heard the same reporting I have no idea why you believe as you do. If you scare someone into feeling the need to defend them self and then kill them as you do you can and should be arrested for second degree murder, just like Zim has been. Perhaps next time you will not trigger the whole event on your own.
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  1029. You are juiced if you think he envies these naked and intellectually challenged shills
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  1030. CPAC and their endless cancel culture.
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  1031. In more than one case that is the truth. Progressives and real libertarians have some overlap in their beliefs.
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  1032. Our spicy done strike forign policy has to end. Bernie crushs her.
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  1033. lol
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  1034. The picture of someone elses back is so profound ...
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  1035. I have addressed your points and I just have to assume you can not read or when you do randomly assign the words completely different meanings. I do not have to explain ever piece of "evidence" you share as none of it directly supports the idea of hoax. You have to make up your own reality to believe what you do and that you call me a sheep for not going along with you is a pretty big joke. You have won no argument here because the damning points I have hammered home are unanswered.
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  1036. It appears his is that stupid.
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  1037. I already passed my background checks for by my rifle, thanks. I see no issue with everyone having to do the same to get weapons that have another reasonable use than mass murder. If you need a semi auto to go after deer you are a lousy shot who would be dangerous to hunt with. If my eye causes you concern it only goes to show that you scare easily.
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  1038. lol, awsome
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  1039.  @maximumviews5759  Sure .. it would seem some lives do not matter when a specific group gets murdered, harassed and arrested by the police systemically at much higher rates and it continues for decades.
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  1040.  @machida58  No .. you shut up. And who is hopelessly obsessed"Pro Male Revolutionary"? Hilarious projection.
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  1041.  @machida58  Nope. I engage on this subject and because I do not agree with pro male spin does not mean I am not aware of actual documented systemic inequities against specifically men. One of the most egregious examples of conviction rates and sentencing times for males over females. This is a direct hold overs from the values of the 50's and a need to keep our prisons full. This issue has not been addressed properly yet but should result in make convictions and sentences that are similar to females. Family law that at one time had no custody rules flip flopped to system that based on historical precedence always awarded the children to the mother no matter what saddling the consistently male non care giver to contribute financially. Things like that have been changing quickly and men are regularly taking custody of their children and receiving child support from the mother or doing joint custody in ever increasing numbers. There are real fights to be had but speaking out in favor of the much "maligned" virgin is not one of them.
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  1042.  @machida58  "Virgin men are viewed with deep suspicion", is what i referred to when talking about maligned virgins. It is not clear you know what a straw man is. That you did not use the word I did does not preclude me using it to describe your spin. Your moaning about virgin shaming its not pro male, it is just strange.
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  1043.  @machida58  No I was not straw manning you at all, I mistook who I was speaking to. As for fence sitting, I am nothing of the kind. I note nothing else I said has been refuted.
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  1044.  @machida58  i wasted a paragraph i still stand by directed at buddy. i notice you have not addressed the points to you.
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  1045.  @machida58  I have made several points in response to what you have said while you have done nothing but make empty observations and ignore what I typed. If you do not comprehend the point I was making I can not help you.
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  1046.  @RextheRebel  I believe any adult that has not had sex is a less complete person. But I never bought into the spin virginity should be lauded as a virtue in anyone male or female. Virginity is literally the lack of experience and I see no reason to count it as some kind of qualification. Like it or not it says something about you and it has nothing no more to do with "marginalizing" them than the common practice of judging a 40 year old who has never moved out on his own.
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  1047. @Analyzing Male Slavery if you say so. prey tell how so?
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  1048.  @alexcat6480  ya .... I want people judged on what they do and what thier values are. I do not have any hostility to virgins but I do not consider it a handicap in the same way I do not judge adults who can not drive. It is your pathetic whimpering on behalf of a self elected self identifying minority thst sad and strange. Your silly spin is why identify politics fanatics are laughed at. Disgust at male virginity? Citation pkease as the spin they are some kind of downtrodden class is nonsense for the reasons I have already outlined and you never adressed. We do not live in Iran and pointing to bombed out patriachal societies says nothing about us. I have seen no obvious examples of your concern in the media or in day to day life. it may be considered odd because it is odd by its very numbers but that is it.
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  1049. Dude it is you and your sock puppet that has been ruled a trolls, learn to read.
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  1050. Man you people are empty shells of human beings.
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  1051. Can try, that stuff just goes to die in the senate
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  1052. Fuck that. they have the right to do what they want for THEMSELVES but have no right to shove it down others throats. They can choose for themselves but not for their employees who also have the same second amendment right to take or leave any option. This is about religious fanatics and cheap assholes not wanting to cover something that most agree is a good thing. Add to this that getting birth control for free does not make anyone more of "SLUT" than someone who pays for it.
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  1053. You have no winning argument, you have an erroneous conclusion drawn non from a wide set of non related sources. You literally have nothing but conjecture and a will to fill in the blanks with guess's that just so happen to directly correspond with your political beliefs. In most crowds your spin does get any automatic credibility because to believe what you do it requires selectively rejecting reason as most people can plainly see.
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  1054. David why did you steal Sam's set? Could you have at least chosen other colors?
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  1055. You are the only one here using talking points dreamed up by someone else. Think for yourself for once and ask questions that are outside your normal path of thought. Like why the hell would they do this. Until you have an answer that actually makes sense, people will continue to reject your spin. At least the 911 people can point to war profiteering as a reason, you literally have nothing.
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  1056. Fuck moronic trolls!
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  1057. I am not sure how you define "all" but I have not seen the same evaluations. You are just sharing who you think is responsible too and logic has no bearing on your spin at all. The law does agree with me and I am confident of what the results of this trial will be as the law is clearly does not allow you to cause an incident and then kill your target when they fight back. If you trigger the event that causes your head to be bashed in then you are responsible for everything that occurs after.
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  1058. Would not expect those numbers to last as people run out of money for food over the next week.
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  1059. It is about race because it is. The fact is there are a lot of thing to criticize Obama on, clowns like this loser Ted do not bring up any of them. They only spit fact free right wing bubble talking points because they are clueless and actually racist but really can not say that as a reason..
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  1060. This is a US problem, most other places on the planet are doing exactly this and regularly employ "generic" drugs which are effective as the original even if not "identical" at a faction of the cost. The assertion they are any more dangerous in regulated countries is invalid as they must meet the basic requirement of the system they are being sold in. The idea that if not identical they are not of the same quality has ZERO merit on the face.
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  1061. Don't worry the corporate democrats will invest lots of money running against them. What could go wrong? Perhaps they need to start running candidates who can actually win if they are not just going to be facing their honoured associates from the non qanon gop. Do they really want 15 Greens running around armed in the chambers?
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  1062. A foundational concept of our system is anyone can be arrested. All one has to do is publicly break the law and leave plenty of evidence.
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  1063. There were put on a list by a guy who is a self admitted conservative republican so he could fast track these requests. This is supported by the truth that they were all approved and the only one that was denied was a liberal group. Facts have liberal bias.
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  1064. So you can take one part of the of a sentence make that sacrosanct and then reject the other. The day of your bigotry ruling is dying and you are on the losing side of history. The exact same kind of arguments were made by religious fanatics against the abolition of slavery and later interracial marriage. Atheism is a single stance on single subject and does not require consistency whatever you mean by that. People become athiests because there is no proof that your god over any other is real.
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  1065. Kaiser Soymilk the right is completly owned, anyone with half a head is seeing what a mess trump is and there is only so much fucking up they can ignore. Only the brainless are dreaming about 6 years when he only has tthat many months left.
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  1066. Kaiser Soymilk This is not about the pundits but a simple evaluation of what Trump said he would do and what he is doing. Ignoring what he is actually doing is the only way anyone can continue to support him and many who voted for him now outright reject his failed presidency. He ran the first time and no one knew what he stood for so he could get away with lying because he had no record. That is no longer true and he will have the stand by the cancer he backed, the shills he promoted and the swamp he enlarged. He ran against an overtly cancerous figure of Hillary who spit on half her base and he still did not win the popular vote over her, do not count on the same level of advantage next election. Only morons and the overtly ignorant still support Trump after seeing what he has done in office. If he is not in jail for money laundering or forced out under some other pretense before the next election he will not win. His only path forward is running against hillary again and outside them choosing her clone there is zero chance he will beat almost any other candidate as he barely beat the crooked sellout last time. His numbers correctly continue to fall as we speak, not with just likely voters but with everyone.
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  1067. Kaiser Soymilk I completely agree. I would not be surprised if they chose to push a celebrity and if they did that candidate would not be saddled with being a corpratist by their voting record like Hillary was. I am betting this is what they will try to do and anyone pushed by the establishment as a good option needs to be deeply suspect as we can not afford for to fight for change and get pocket change like we did with Obama. We need to fight for an actual progressive and anyone deeply backed by the DNC should be viewed through the same lens hillary was as we move into the the next primary.
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  1068.  215 Jordan  Who is racist?
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  1069.  215 Jordan  cool, as the poster above said it could be read 2 ways.
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  1070. You can not deny them a fundamental component of building a fulfilling and happy life and still say you except homosexuality.
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  1071. Mmmmmmm, do I smell another lawsuit?
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  1072. These CRTV ads are really annoying .. I am getting far too much gavin screen time saying the same stupid garbage over and over.
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  1073.  Wolfie Wolf  Very fair, I agree voting Biden tastes bad. I get not being able to, this is a small part of how I choose to fight back.
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  1074. A well regulated militia being necessary to .. regulated can mean regulations or rules or it or in context it means ordered and trained. If you are like the vast majority you are neither and so do not contribute to the image of the opening statement of this poorly worded amendment In any case I have a rifle for hunting and another my grand father left me, I do not need to keep them loaded at home like I am under siege and I do not need a semi automatic but then I am a pretty good shot.
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  1075. But it is not impossible and gay couples have children every day, for that reason alone marriage is not irreverent. I do not know what century you think we are in but your spin needs an update to catch up with reality. Gay couples are building families as we speak all over the world and marriage is a benefit to any family not just legally but as a time tested way of binding them together in love.
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  1076. Neither of them values free speech or actual discourse .. this is a talking point they use to cover for the fact they only care when any restrictive rule might effect them.
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  1077. It is not punsihment to ensure crimianals and people with mental problems do not get weapons. It is not punishment to limit the size of magazines. 85% of the country agrees with these ideas and that includes a lot of gun owners who went though the background check you people argue is "unconstitutional" It is a fact every G7 but ours has these kinds of controls and have fundamentally less gun deaths because of them.
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  1078. Your stripping of rights bullshit is baseless too. You clowns do not support working class people of any stripe and the republican party is now a wholly owned tool of a tiny minority. The dems are catching up with them in being corrupted but at least pretend to care about someone other than the 1%.
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  1079. There is no appreciable difference between a same sex union and one where the partners can not conceive. Any couple (same sex or not) can model a family that provides all the parental units required to raise a well balanced individual. Your demand that the only viable option is a man and a woman is painfully narrow and does not reflect the current reality where a healthy family can come in many forms.
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  1080. Except that they do not live in the real world and that is why their spin causes more harm than good.
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  1081. There is a the drawback she is polling under 1%
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  1082.  @holylibations  They are not definitive, but they are one of the only metrics we currently have.
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  1083.  @holylibations  It is why you have to look at them closely, understand the methodology and sampling before assigning them a value. But to ignore them outright is ostrich like.
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  1084.  @holylibations  Even the most skewed polls have information if you read between lines. At the least they highlight specific constituencies not reached with tbe progressive message and give you insight on talking points to crush.
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  1085. Lets hope not because he committed murder
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  1086. "might not be true", that is better. Your claim to certainty was your weakest point as you have no real facts to back you up. You still can't prove anything and that is your new weakness now you have admitted your spin might not be valid. One person in this conversation has flimsy stories and it is not Obama, it is you. You have taken innuendo, bad reporting, odd behavior and welded into a odd "truth" that is counter to the established history. We will need more before your ideas are validated.
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  1087. Only because one is heard much more and there is far more "anti-semitism" than "anti-welsh" attitudes out there. The only reason one does not sound as bad is because you never hear it. But the fact is they both equal failures of equal magnitude for the exact same reason. I would stand against anyone who bases their views on a broad group of unrelated people over something so meaningless just as you think it is all valid. All bigotry is bad unless you are a bigot yourself .. Common sense.
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  1088. She will always have a following but is becoming less relevant even as we speak.
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  1089. Show me adults who actually believe in Santa and I will show you people who are a few bricks short of a load. As far as children are concerned they get wise to the truth pretty early. Santa is a fun thing to pretend to believe in but very few adults actually believe he exists and that is a fact. People celibate Christmas with such a fervor as it is a holiday that has been elevated in our society and many take great pleasure in it. The worship of Lucifer thing you spout is just random craziness.
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  1090. I did nothing of the kind, that you assert something never makes it so without backing it up.
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  1091. *Islam You conservative Christians are their idiotic cousins. Liberals have nothing in common with either of you.
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  1092. Media lies and your imagination is vindicating GZ in the trial, got it. No matter how you cut it or try to blame TM none of this would have occurred if the man who is now charged with murder did not strap on a gun go out and try to play sheriff by following an and putting to flight an innocent citizen simply because he happened to black .when no one asked him to. You are fine cutting this asshole slack but do not doubt he is going to jail.
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  1093. The employment of logic is not a bullying tactic in spite of how much it hurts. I am asking you valid questions you ave no answers for. You have done nothing to counter the very important points I make which completely address every argument you have. You change subjects, that is YOUR tactic and accusing me of it does nothing to support your drivel. Calling me a bully does nothing either, you can either refute what I am saying or show some real evidence not circumstantial crap to have a chance.
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  1094. Thats Not a Knife, This is a Knife Ya that is a how elections are run. The problem with conservative dems are they are beholden to the donors no one including conservatives like. Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in the country by far because he is genuine and the establishment democrats are universally unpopular because they are not. They lost election against a monster like trump based on advice exactly like yours and I am not sure how much worse they have to fail before you get it through your head chasing the gop off a cliff is a losing strategy. Justice democrats focus on not taking pac or corporate money precludes many established democrats from joining. The process of a doing primaries against sellouts like Joe is the first step to "flipping" the party exactly as you suggest. They are pressuring center right democrats to support left wing policies and the large number (including some of the establishment proposed leadership) are coming forward and supporting a medicare for all bill is an example of that pressure working. The only way the party will be relevant again is to have a party and leaders that excite the base. Obama won by acting like a progressive and Hillary lost by abandoning that. The tired line pretending the only way to win is by acting like a con or a "centrist" is a failure that is neither popular nor a winning strategy.
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  1095. Your numbers make no sense. Hillary promoted TPP before she followed Bernie in rejecting it. She was pro fracking, voted for more interventions and supported the Iraq war. She voted for the bankruptcy bill that as first lady she opposed. The list goes on and on. She gulps down pack and banker money like it is oxygen and was clearly in their pocket during a time that type of corruption was not popular. The fact is she was better in almost every single way than Trump but that is a very low bar and she lost because the DNC was shown to be acting crookedly in her service against a man that became the most popular politician in America.
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  1096. RizenLink Was not at talking to you here .. that is probably why you were confused by this post. Whoever +1'd that post is a halfwit.
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  1097. Mr.Orca32 If that was you .. ya. He was not even in the thread so the chance he was being responded to is nil.
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  1098. They can have kids too .. just get the help of someone of the opposite sex to join in. There are lots of gay parents. They procreate all the time.
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  1099. Yes the public system are the best in the world, that is a definitively true by every measure. We do all need health care at some point in our life and to say we don't is plainly false, saying we all breath oxygen is asinine does not make less true. Nothing is for free but I am happy to pay less at the cost of a middle man that offers no value to the process. On transportation one problem at at time, we were talking about health care and solutions to make it more accessible and affordable.
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  1100. She is in congress who runs the country not working as a local town councilor, come on now you can not really be that dumb. There is one group in congress who consistently represents billionaire elitists and they want to give them a bigger tax cut, that would be your tea party morons.
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  1101.  @Person01234  She is not off my list but is a pale copy of Bernie who has the organization and earned credibility to get my vote.
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  1102. The fact is the right runs on all of those issues all the time. He seems pretty reasonable but I suspect he has been caught up in a classic case of projection the right is consistently vulnerable to.
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  1103.  @Islandswamp  Like Bernie does?
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  1104. They are not perfect, they are not remotely perfect, they are in fact proven to be regularly fundamentally flawed. On a case by case basis you can investigate each and every report that is questionable and come up with a reasonable explanation that does not involve a conspiracy that makes no sense. This is a point you refuse to address, when this first broke the idea sandy was going to drive gun control fed the fires of the spin. Now we know legislation is dead, this spin is now dieing too
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  1105. Likening child porn to Consenting adults getting married is total fail of a falicy. Having sex with children is wrong because they can not give consent and it would open them up to being abused. This argument can not be made for gay marriage and in fact would make the couple monogamous and family oriented which should be a sell to people like you. The bible does not just say being gay is wrong but that you should kill them. I can reject both parts unlike you who wants to pick and choose.
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  1106. It is not just most whites who prefer having children with people who look like them many other sub groups tied to primarily to culture feel the same way. This is not a racial phenomena at all but a cultural one. If you have not been exposed to other people than your sub group it is a natural way to look at the world. It does not mean it is a superior way of looking at it though. Kings and queens used to feel the same way about royal blood, look what it got them inbreeding.
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  1107. There are many I will give you an old one. Over 600 years ago China launched a fleet that was not rivaled by Europe for another 200 years.They had the ships of a size and quality they were capable of colonizing the planet centuries before the powers of Europe could. What put an end to this was a change in leadership that decided dealing with the outside world was poison and they called back their armada and burned it. China remained isolated until Europe came to them at their own cost.
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  1108. It crushed their opportunity to dominate the world like the "whites" later did. The fact insular inward looking clowns like you took over destroyed a chance for them to discover and colonize the new world centuries before the Europeans did. They had the brains and beat us to the punch building ships we did not rival until the 1900's. What they did lack is the same thing you do, perspective and a desire to be included in the wider world. Walling yourself off did not serve them or you.
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  1109. Warren already has .. she said she would take Pac and big money in the general. Put a fork in her she should be done.
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  1110. Makes perfect sense, except even you who is an "expert" on the issue has no idea why. This does not support the credibility you attempt to claim.
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  1111. It is the right to be treated the same under the law as anyone else. The phrase traditional marriage is a joke. Traditionally woman were property, traditionally you could beat your wife with a stick no bigger than your thumb if she was unruly, traditionally it was illegal for members of two different races to marry .. tradition gets left behind for good reason. They are citizens who have the right to be treated the same under law regardless of how you feel about it.
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  1112. Yep, but the truth is not always nice.
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  1113. So? That there are brain dead clowns buying this garbage does not make it valid. Like I said there are great many who think Elvis still lives, it does not make it true. Your argument is using a popular logical fallacy that does not justify your potion in anyway.
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  1114. Highlighting ignorance this prevalent has value.
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  1115. It does not take Sherlock homes or mind reader to know that the only reason people run is they are afraid. This is a logical inference that does not require special skills to anyone who is human.
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  1116. Sure that is why they should have legal access to a gun if they can pass a back ground check. This is not about making it impossible for bad people to get guns just making it harder. Like any law you will not stop the people who want to break it but there is absolutely no doubt that putting better controls on items as dangerous as guns does save lives. No one who is realistic is trying to stop you from getting a gun, known psycho's should not have easy legal access.
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  1117. How so?
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  1118. Anti war but pro war on terror, anti regime change but also anti BDS .. she could be more anti war, anti imperialism to actually own that title. Bernie has better foreign (and domestic) policy across the board and she does not deserve the title people like you hand her. She is no Bernie and is not better than him in any way.
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  1119. Opinion shows should not be more free to lie with out being called on it than any other program. When you say things as facts and they are outright wrong that is not sharing your opinion it is what we call spreading lies. The fact they are serving a specific agenda that this channel pushes as a whole speaks to the reason why fox viewers are consistently less informed than people who do not watch news at all.
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  1120. Your comments prove you to be a loathsome bigot who thinks he is on the side of virtue. I get that you think you are right but nothing could be further from the truth. You are so wrong that when you disagree with someone you make them look good.
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  1121. Putting money on the fact this guy is going to jail for killing a teen, it will be nice to see people like you cry and cry.
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  1122. # No one cares, neither does anyone else who matters. He is far more qualified for the job than list of yahoos the republicans wanted to nominate. Bush being a failed oil tycoon and reservist who was booted out sure did not help his presidency any. #2 No one cares, if he has been in the military. You are sharing things that you think are bomb shells but everyone already knows about. This is not news and that you think it is marks you as in a sad little bubble.
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  1123. I have not contradicted myself once in spite of the fact you keep saying I do. You could make up any reason for the contradictions you point out have the exact same validity you do and that is the point you miss. I have seen every peace of evidence you have and none of it is particularly compelling except to a certain kind of person who already wants to believe it.
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  1124. Tenpenny is a dishonest grifter no one should ever take seriously, I would take medical advice from a random stranger before I took it from her. Better chance of it not being an overt lie.
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  1125. Lol, these are new jeeps being built in china for china, this not costing us 1 job. That is the nature of the fox lie. That Jeep is doing well and is expanding production and markets is a good thing for a business the Gop did not want to help when they were at the edge and openly said to let them die.
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  1126. No I am implying if they chase me and then look to be drawing a gun on me then they can expect really rough treatment. TM's actions are easily considered self defense and the concern with giving the same green light to zim means that anyone who is armed can trigger a confrontation and then legally kill their unarmed target. This should be murder 2 because zim's actions caused the death of another and it was GZ's irresponsible ill advised actions that precipitated the entire event.
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  1127. Calling her plea deal extortion appeals to the stupid and deeply ignorant cultists. They need to revoke this deal and let the charges fall on her full weight
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  1128. But I am betting you did not approach it skeptically at all. To believe what you do you have to first accept there is a great many people who did this for zero tangible befit. You then take a wak of separate events and erroneously link all of them into a single justification while possessing absolutely NO hard facts directly indicating a Hoax. The video's you watched have pitched it to you and you have swallowed it whole. You have simply bought into a weakish fringe conspiracy.
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  1129. The leagal status marriage affords them is denied under your non existent business as usual solution. I do not have to care what that you think it is between a man and a woman as it simply does not matter. Your attempt to retain the "traditional" definition of a word at the cost of the rights to a common legal standing for many families is unacceptable. Their rights to equality under the law overrides your right to maintain the status quo. You lose nothing if we allow them to legally marry.
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  1130. Nope, I get the image of a clueless fact free troll. You would not understand what justice was if it slapped your face ..
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  1131. You have no good arguments, just stupid half ass bogotey that defends most mass shooters.
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  1132. Look at this trolls name, he has no facts to back anything he blathers out.
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  1133. Fair enough, I can't say it will change anything either way. There will always be a group who thinks it is a great idea to arm themselves and follow black youths around and those that cheer them on when that ends in the death of that teen no matter how the vote swings. Do not be too confident of results of this trial though half of what we see is being spun by the observers and it may not turn out as well as you hop for you buddy the wanna be cop GZ.
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  1134. Keep in mind I am betting nothing you have in your arsenal of facts is "first hand", I do not live near sandy hook and do not know anyone to who went to the school so I guess you are right. According to your very narrow criteria I can not give you any "reliable" evidence but then neither can you.
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  1135. This half wit calling anyone insecure and weak is hilarious. Members of the right wing, these idiots are your standard bearers. Get your head of your ass as you march behind what are triggered morons who spend more time thinking about gay sex than gay people do.
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  1136. Sounds like you are not doing badly then, in the grand scheme of mistakes it does not usually rank very high.
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  1137.  @georgejones3526  Sorry to hear it, but you are the exception to the rule then. If your story stops even one person from taking it up then it is worth sharing it.
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  1138. Of the bat shit crazy right perhaps?
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  1139. I keep pointing out what a loser you are until you get tired of it and wander off to try to wreck something else like a simple minded child. :)
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  1140. They are screwing the voters to server their donors .. this is not complex and Bernie is not remotely screwing them. His putting forward a platform that will win unlike what the DNC has done over the last 3 cycles.
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  1141. That is in stone.
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  1142. If you say so you might have noticed even the psychotic republicans who never found a scandal that they could try pin on the president they did not chase until it was 3 days dead have gone silent on this issue. The more facts came out the more this whole thing is being shown for the red herring it is. Go ahead and continue your fact fee buzz about it in the right wing bubble you are preaching bullshit only to the already converted.
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  1143. But if every business is paying at that same scale and underpays woman as a standard the free market does not solve this issue. In many cases there has been systematic abuse of the fact that it was one very acceptable to pay woman less in the same job. That you can go out and find a job that pays more as a man does not mean that option is even available under the existing status quo. At some point in the distant future this will solve it self. In the mean time it is past due.
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  1144. I quoted you, you look ridiculous when you make such plainly wrong assertions.
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  1145. Means a lot from a guy who reinvents his own reality.
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  1146. troll
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  1147. It will go blue first.
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  1148. Neither does repeating out of date talking points that have been shown to be bogus.
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  1149. He triggered TM into running because he scared him this is inarguable. At some point when you scare people into thinking you are after them there is always the chance they turn and attack you, this is why the professionals warned GZ off to avoid the exact situation that occurred. People should have the right to defend themselves from unidentified assailants especially as they appear to be reaching for a gun. Lot of mistakes were made on both side the difference is one of them id dead.
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  1150. @APPLESAUCE50 Except for all the other trolls. Take a quick read and you will see you are off base
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  1151. By the nature of those hosts, I personally go with the latter. They do not deserve my charity as they have done nothing to earn it and I base my view of them on their previous work. They actually have less than no credibility in this regard, being misleading and appealing to the stupid who want empty confirmation of what they already think is these hosts modus operandi and dinner ticket.
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  1152. You can not refute the truth of anything I am saying, to call it spam is weak attempt to dismiss it. One of us is consistently being marked as spam in this conversation and it is not me.
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  1153. The Angela Corey issue is a tempest in a tea pot and she will very likely be vindicated of any wrong doing. By all accounts the head wounds pictures will not be a critical part of the defense and actually easily cast doubt on GZ's story. It is a politically charged and there is an element who is not above bringing up questionable charges against the DA to help vindicate the precedent setting action taken by GZ. My confidence in the system is shaken as well, hopefully justice prevails.
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  1154. He is a threat and needs to be countered by letting him talk in public. I do not expect him to get more popular the longer he is in the race.
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  1155.  @marvintpandroid2213  The powers the be are the root cause of the mistakes Hillary made and Biden seems to be doubling down on. Her policy was weak in service to them. I am inclined to agree that citing the voting record of each candidate is a very effective way to choose one. That is most certainly not a standard the establishment and the media wants to look at as they feature candidates with preferential coverage who do not value policy or have a positive record when it is fully disclosed.
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  1156.  @marvintpandroid2213  We are in accord.
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  1157. If you actively crusade against them spend your time trying to get them banned and snap anytime someone insinuates you like them .. you may have some kind of issue not justified out by your "hate" of RPG's.. just saying.
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  1158. I have no idea what the hell you are talking about with regard to "racial loyalty" in this context. We have always taken advantage of any industry and the recent shift has nothing to do with moving away from loyalty and everything to do with cheap shipping prices. That they can pay their workers almost nothing while we expect ours to make a living wage is the reason the greedy are flocking there, no other. This is not about race but economic inequality and greed, plain and simple,
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  1159. I am not ignorant as you blindly assert nor do I hate myself. I just think race is a fundamentally overrated attribute that seems to be a crutch to used to bind simple and ignorant people together. You calling me evil is rich and it means less than nothing. I know that others are doing it and it does not make them right. Once it was pretty universally excepted beating your wife was ok, that was wrong too. Your doom and gloom warnings are vapor and are as pointless as the rest of your spin.
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  1160. It is our leaders that have brought this on themselves and the corporate media has not helped. Nothing you are saying about "Parkman and his ilk" is substantiated but that is is exactly what tolls like you do, you spit bullshit with a totally strait face. It is clear who is the clown is here, you prove the deep hold projection has on you every time you post.
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  1161. Again you have no clue and your painfully weak powers of evaluation have failed you yet again. It does not matter why you are wrong but someone needs to tell you that you are so you can finally get used to it. You are welcome.
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  1162. What don't you have a point instead of just spitting useless blather?
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  1163. Your spin is from your bubble. Nothing you clowns say is ever original and you pull this weak ass spin from any one of 10 places pushing it. The academic who brought up this idea did not do it so you could twist it into a reason to deny people families. You are a sicking clown.
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  1164. It is not abnormal but it is backward and a useless throwback to tribalism that has zero value in this world. It is insular thinking like you and this separatist clown that has limited our access to the whole of humanities potential for far too long. These guys are fact free and attempt to sound high minded to hide their naked bigotry and hate as something noble. Their views are already on the trash heap of history and rightfully so.
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  1165. it is funded though a increase in income tax that for almost everyone will be less than what you pay currently in a private tax to the insurance companies.
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  1166. He can run but they know the only chance of winning is as dem. The independent would just drain votes from the sold out candidate and ensure that t he GOP wins again.
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  1167. John sweeda The issue is not about the voters but is more about ballot access and the ability to get media coverage. Even when you look at the voters contribution it is clear they often vote reflexively along party lines no matter who is running or what the candidate actually stands for. We have inherent systemic bias in our system against anyone not in the two major parties. Getting elected without the automatic access grated to the media and debates when acting as an independent hobbles any candidate on that path. This problem is exacerbated by the independent splitting the left leaning vote while leaving the GOP's base entirely intact basically, assuring they win.
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  1168. You believe in fact free garbage backed by nothing and call us gullible. Your assumption we not looked into this issue is another example of how you what you think is not based on anything but your gut.
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  1169.  @paulforsell1439  You are spitting nonsense, it is the people who decide they are face book immunoligists that are consistantly unlucky. They died at much higher rates.
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  1170. @Sam Vimes  unless he knows 100000 people, this makes sense
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  1171.  @stevediamantas1848  look in the mirror as you say that cultist
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  1172. Except they keep voting for racist fucks like him ... pretending otherwise is ignorant.
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  1173. Same as anyone who is afraid of vaccination during a global pandemic, the fallout is on them. No one they work with should pay for their choices.
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  1174.  @MichaelVanHeemst  Ya but not 100% as it turns out. The anti vax crowd use to be a group of harmless loopy wingnuts who hated medicine. Now they potentially cost employers business, productivity and present an unreasonable risk to the operations. The skin tone of the employee should be irrelevant for this issue.
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  1175. In that case he does not look very sharp himself. That he meant to say one thing and said the polar opposite does not make this genius of adjective use to be the best judge of what is "stupid stupid stupid"
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  1176. You did not explain what your concern was in that whole screed ..
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  1177. You are simply wrong all you have to do is look at it, every single social advancement we have ever had has been promoted by progressives and fought by conservatives. Ending slavery:progressives championed and conservatives fought tooth and nail. Women getting the vote:progressives championed and conservatives fought. Civil rights: progressives marched in the streets and conservatives fight to this day. With regard to rights conservatives have always been on the wrong side of history.
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  1178. These stupid arguments make you deeply ignorant. The KKK is was and always be deeply conservative, just like you.
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  1179. No one is talking about butchering anyone. Asking the super rich to pay a few more points on their taxes at a rate they were when the country was doing very well is not a hardship for them outside right wing talking points.
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  1180. If they ban a substance in your product then you can not sell it there anymore. No one has the right to dump poison into the environment and if thier product is done. We owe them nothing a d they need our market. If they do not want to make money here then don't someone else will.
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  1181. You kicked ass .. keep up the good work!! It is worth it if for no other reason than we get to see sanity on clips like this being played on fox. Agree with Kyle you have to do it ...
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  1182. She is a pale copy of bernie with a problematic record on torture and our endless drone strike war that empowers terrorism as much as it fights it.
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  1183.  @Person01234  She is not even close not to mention she is fractionally as electable or popular. She is good and I like her but she would not even have a platform without Bernie. She is young and going nowhere. let her walk the walk for eight more years and bury the justified concerns about past questionable generally deal breakers. Calling me stupid as you ignore her own words is idiotic. I saw and heard her make the dumb statements on torture with my own ears which I trust much more than your ignorant ass. No matter what you think of me you are shitty embasitor that Tulsi could do without. You are doing her no favours and come across as a giant ass hole. it sadly reflects poorly on her just so you know what you achieve with you spin. congrats
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  1184. These snowflakes can not face any questions they have not been given the answers to. They are the most insular and poorly informed among us and get mad when anyone disagrees with them to the point they need to pick up and take their ball home if ever challenged. So very very weak.
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  1185. The likely voter metric is also skewed as the definition of likely voter has changed radically over the last cycles and the formula used to pick them up until this time has not. This is why the polling did not predict trumps win and only those who understood and accepted this nuance had any chance of correctly predicting the outcome from that data which was skewed toward traditional expected results. This could be very much the same thing, am not giving up.
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  1186. Yet you come and post pointless garbage he will not even read, you are a joke as you call anyone irrelevant and laugh like you are.
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  1187. Qaz The joke is your own irrelevance as you uselessly babble about someone else who is clearly far more relevant than you are or ever will be. Tacking a lol at the end of your post draws an image of someone insanely laughing as they get called out for missing the point badly. Have at it.
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  1188.  @zac5572  I don't support maduro because he is authoritarian and I do not support them under any circumstances. That being said I am not in favour of our government picking Venezuela's leader either. You can most certainly be on the left and oppose Maduro and american policy on Venezuela. These are not mutually exclusive ideas.
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  1189.  @zac5572  Ok, that is why I do not support Marx or anyone associated with the French revolution as examples of leadership. I am anti authoritarian, I do not need you to tell me what I am.
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  1190. @Albert Whisker I do not defend murder or call for the guillotine. What I stand for does not have the innate flaws of the French revolution despite it's historical significance and positive changes. Likening the american modern populist movement to the French revolution is an empty hyperbolic attempt to paint this peaceful and entirely legal populist change as violent. No one on the left with any credibility defends Meduro, this is because he has shown himself to be a despot. As one critiques his often restrictive murderous rule it should be noted he has done so through a brutal trade embargo for not capitulating to the oil cartels by selling off access to Venezuelan oil. Numerous regimes with the same or worse democratic flaws as Meduro's are our allies because they sold out. We are not principled on this issue and this whole thing is about oil alone, everything else is spin.
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  1191. @Albert Whisker Again Marx has a place in the story but he has his own problems as a roll model. I personally do not agree with him on key things. I do not see a problem eliminating a given figure as a roll model for sound reasons. To do so is not a rejection of the good they may have done. While I do not choose to hold him up as leadership model I can still have respect Marx for his contributions. The spin attaching this movement to the french revolution ( see original posters remark) is meant to be negative even if you personally think of it as good. The dark element of the FR was that it violently over through the existing status quo. It did have good effects for them at great cost. If I am selling an orderly path to taking power any parallels to the french revolution in the ear of a certain audience is unnecessarily off putting while actually sharing little, It would tune them out when they would otherwise be open to the actual policy. This guy was about spin, not facts. Buddy who originally posted about it likely knew nothing about the french revolution except some people died in it and it was also "revolution" like Bernie sanders calls for.
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  1192.  @tesoh5349  Gotta love auto correct.
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  1193.  @tesoh5349  Ok, no one cares.
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  1194. Except he said yes to EVERY conservative group and the only one that got denied was a liberal one. He did not highlight these groups to deny them but fast track them and guess what, they all went through. If buddies wife had any effect, it was a bad one.
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  1195. Or he could have been an idiot who should probably not be calling anyone else stupid. This guy does not seem to be the sharpest knife in the drawer when you look at a mistake this fundamental combined along with his substandard creativity in his use of English. Being called stupid by the stupid should not hurt anyone's feelings that much.
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  1196. You claim to be the standard bearer of freedom yet Christians have been a the forefront of denying it through out our history for any group they deem as lesser. Fundamentalist Christians were at the spear head fighting against abolition and later interracial marriage and you only care about freedom for you. I reject that it is your vision of faith that freedom is built on at all. You spin on moral relativism does not hold water outside your bubble and it takes faith to subscribe to it.
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  1197. Bad idea unless you want to bankrupt us and impoverish everyone but the richest.
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  1198. You are brain washed, you are attached to a useless and harmful form of bigotry that denies others rights for no reason beside how the person feels in his gut. There have always been people like you, the people who fought for slavery lost, the ones that fought to deny woman the vote lost, the ones that fought to stop interracial marriage lost and so will you as you were all equally wrong.
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  1199. This is not a request to pay them more if they do less, it is a set of rules that say if two people do the SAME job you can not determine salary by sex. This is not a tricky concept, it has NOTHING to do with skills.
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  1200. No one on the left waves flags about trans people choking women ... these are morons talking to a base that likes their simple minded talking point and it is the definition of an echo chamber.
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  1201. If you do not know much about them perhaps you should not use your weak powers of assumption.
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  1202. No one does.
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  1203.  @curtisalex456 A clown that sings the praises of dictators who openly hate us? Tucker hates everything America stands for. Safe bet you you sympathize actual insurrectionists.
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  1204. But historically or "traditionally" it did mean the woman was property. This was true for a very long time across a great many cultures even to this day. Traditionally it was OK to beat your disobedient wife well into the modern era and the law once defined what you could and could not do to punish her. The idea of marriage being a union based on love is a very modern one and it marks the bible was ahead of its time in this respect. This does not mean the idea can not or should not be extended.
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  1205. Wow, this is the first time I have seen you post something that makes sense, congrats.
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  1206. Being anti welsh would be a bad thing .. what the hell are you talking about?
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  1207. what?
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  1208. Not true if you have ears to listen.
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  1209. That a lot of people see it the way you do means absolutely nothing with regard to the veracity of the belief. I am not speaking to the thousands or millions or billions of others, I am talking to you and will only refer to your beliefs. This is a plain example of you trying to change the subject. I have not contradicted myself once in spite your clownish assertions which it seems you never care to validate with actual usable facts.
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  1210. People sin so this "good" god of his randomly murders a whole bunch of people including those who do repent. That guy's god is a fucking asshole. He worships a monster that in any other context would be considered evil.
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  1211. short answer, HELL NO!
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  1212. That is funny ... perhaps the should chat about the biological realities of him and his husband. Am sure the assholes who write his talking points have plenty of old material they can dust off.
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  1213. Because no one wants to play them.
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  1214. They will try to cheat but like the republicans could not stop trump last time the DNC will not be able to stop Bernie this one. They barely did it last time with a massive head start and no one knowing Bernie's name for half the primary. They are done like dinner and garbage like this is a last grasp at power.
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  1215. I get it he wants things to stay the same, just like they never have :)
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  1216. Not anymore, your views all ready sit on the trash heap of history steaming. That you do not know that marks you as clueless but we already got that from your posts and the things you openly say. You control nothing but a group of wak jobs on the fringe and rightly so.
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  1217. Saudi Arabia does not have it right at all especially for woman. It is a monarchy a dictatorship intimately tied with religious fundamentalists, that they pay for health care with oil money does not cancel the truth their human rights record is abysmal. I would rather pay taxes for health care than give up my freedom like they are forced to. The day they put in "morality police" in my country is the day they had better offering something a hell of a lot better than "free" health care.
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  1218. Very happy to see Zimmerman open the door ...
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  1219. Sure .. that being said she screwed up badly and this is basically the definition of a self inflicted wound.
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  1220. The cost is hard to justify, shop for a lawyer and you will see what I mean.
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  1221. Your so called accusations are much much weaker.
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  1222. When you tell often told lies you look like a shill or ignorant. Which is it?
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  1223. The only reason they are trying t stop him is because they can not beat him toe to toe .. they cheated to win last time and no amount of that weak garbage will help their anointed leader they choose this one.
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  1224. Less and less so .. her 15 minutes is ticking down.
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  1225. Lol, got that. The fact is he posts all over the place and this is not the first garbage I have seen him share. At some point I can restrain myself no longer from feeding the trolls.
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  1226. That Obama capitulated to the republican demands while getting no credit for it is just another reason he should NEVER give in to them. Obama has unilaterally surrendered time and again and has made these hostage takers think they could get away with shutting down the government to get their way.
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  1227. There is sympathy for kids that kill themselves who are not gay and we question your spin on right and wrong. Christianity is targeted because it is a primary source of support for attacks on gay children and adults. It says how they feel is immoral and shameful and fundamentally contributes to the problem. This guy is being ripped apart because he is a moronic loser who has hateful sickening views and this means he should never be in a publicly funded role of anything to do with children.
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  1228. I do not need the power to defend myself from a gun, I am not under threat and I am not in a business that puts me face to face with gun wielding psychos. The fact is that gun you consider a form of safety has as much of a chance of hurting someone it is not supposed to or being turned against you as you using it for defense successfully. You go ahead and live in your world where you have to be in an armed camp to be safe I will continue my life in the real world where that is not an issue.
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  1229. lol, you need to relax. It is easy to imagine you yelling that "REBUKE YOU SATAN" crap wearing a stained sheet with dirty feet and twigs in your hair. Almost everyone knows enough about "SPIRITUAL MATTERS" to ignore anything clowns like you say.
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  1230. The fact is we need to make sure the rules do not allow them to do so. They will only ever pay the taxes they have to and that means the regulations need to be set up in such a way as they are no loopholes. I do not care if they are dem or rep they should all pay taxes and that is the whole issue both sides are leagally buying our leaders to avoid paying their fair share.
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  1231. The use would be odd because it represented a group of right wing bigots .. they should probably avoid it unless applying it to themselves.
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  1232. David we generally agree on most things, I did not see her spin as anti semetic at all. As stated context is important and she was not appealing to racism or a racist constituency in her comment. The comment was speaking to corruption associated with APAC and tacitly lobbyists in general. When it comes to bribing our officials, it is always always about the Benjamin's.
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  1233. I dont understand this at all. Medicare for all would be better and cheaper for you putting the money from those deals in your pocket and not the insurance company they chose for you. You do not lose anything your union won. The law is written so the employers need to pass on the hard won health care gains as additional remuneration or services like the creation or enhancement of pensions. There is litterally no reason for you to oppose a program that puts money in your pocket guaranteed while giving all the care they need. Being pro life while being cool we let people die because they can not afford care seems an odd discontinuity in your outlook. Focus on the staus quo or non economic wedge issues like abortion are a smokescreen for overt brutal corruption. They are cynically used by the establishment of both parties as they bi partisanally rob us and hand money to corps that would step over your body for a nickle.
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  1234.  @Calzone808  I do understand and know additional services could be procured as an extra if not already covered. What you have is in fact not as good as what is proposed. Canadians pay 1/2 of what we do per person for health care. We pay double what the rest of.the first word does and still let 30k americans die without care. We have the multi tier system not them. We have republican senators travelling there to ge treatment in the same facilities normal people use Unions exist all though the free would which all has universal health care. your assertion that if we did not have for profit Insurer's unions would crumble is naked nonsense on the face of it. The fact is M4A is a top tier premier plan compared to what anyone has. No matter how good your plan, the public base plan is bettter. M4A has no network, no copays or deductibles and it costs half what you pay with the savings comming back to you. This leaves you lot of room to get more than what you have now. YOU WOULD LITERALLY LOSE NOTHING. NOTHING is being undone. You have been lied too as every nickle fought for and won would still be yous. The key difference is you get some of that hard earned cash instead of it all going to an insurance company your union bosses get a kick back from.
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  1235.  @Calzone808  32 trillion wow. The estimates if we do not do so are 37 to 40 trillion. M4A saves us all money even if you are in a union. This is a terrible argument as it ignores what we are projected to pay under our existing system.. You are uselessly paying your 'low deductible' to fund assholes who kill Americans to increase profit. For that privilege you are eager to pay them far more than you would under a public insurance system. There is a good reason we are the last trapped by these useless vulture middle men. It is because people like you are bought into the corruption driven by the millions spent to mislead you.
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  1236.  @Calzone808  The rules are written so that the amount spent by your company on insurance is transferred to you and you do not lose anything. You litterally lose nothing you bargained for and will get more than you have now as you no longer need to support a useless insurance profit motive or massive overhead. Your employer is mandated to give you what they spend now in insurance to you. Now you know, You are welcome.
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  1237.  @Calzone808  it is not about what they cover. it is about the fact you do not lose a nickle of the money currently dumped into private taxes that are insurance. Since m4a costs less you net more. Taxes will go up as will your take home pay.
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  1238.  @Calzone808  In every single first word nation it has worked. What does not work is our system which kills tens of thousands and bankrupts millions.
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  1239.  @Calzone808  Total insurance company propaganda. We know what works. The idea we are not free market enough is betrayed the fact we treat health as a commodity to be corporately traded is the root of our problem. We are #37 in health care because there is little laudable about our system. making it more cut throat was never a good solution anywhere else, why do you think it will work here?
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  1240. larger our insurance works amazing for the rich. for everyone else it drains thier reskufes to Serge a useless middleman profit motive and overhead. unions that should be negotiating for wage and benefit increases instead are forced to settle for ever more expansive insurance that gets less affordable daily. There is nothing to envey in our system unless you have unlimited money. you and do not.
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  1241.  @Calzone808  Virtually every talking point you shared is naked misinformation or dishonest framing. you pull them form media beholden, bought and for by a useless counter productive middle man. They misrepresentations to prop up or promote the staus quo. Out high costs are directly attached to insurance companies ninverse insentives to control costs. Our high prices have nothing to do with regulation. everyone else.is far.more regulated and are way cheaper as a result.
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  1242. Tulsi is more of a mess the linger she runs. Anamdoning medicare is strike o e you are out and she blew that off when she went on rubins show and let him actually smere democrats with the stupid open borders talki g point.
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  1243. It is not only condemned he says they should be killed, do you support that. Even you do not buy into the bibles brutal spin.
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  1244. Please, you have a conspiracy this big and then just assert you have no idea why they did it. Will you not even venture a toe into the water of why. You are Ok with jumping to wild and bizarre conclusions based on what at best can be describable as weak circumstantial evidence but heaven forbid you speculate why or try to explain the reason.
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  1245. If you had managed to rebuff them you would have been the very first one I have ever seen do it without resorting to falsies and unsupported rhetoric. You people are regularly like boxers who get their eyes punched shut stagger out of the ring and declare victory because you can not see your opponent. I would rather be in a room with a 1000 "retards" than 1 of you psychotic greed is good fact free simpletons.
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  1246. Love how captain suntan managed finally bring the Marxists and the Fascists together on anything! What do they team up on next? Or they go back to hating one another?
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  1247. And fear, xenophobia, overt ignorance
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  1248. you did us service by wading through that garbage and confirming what I guessed was the case.
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  1249. He made alot of calls, way more than most people. He had shown himself to be paranoid and saw a criminal every time a black youth walked by. Your attempt to link him as a normal member of the community is total fail and does not represent reality. If they got 400 calls and GZ made 46 of them over 10% of all calls from that location were from ONE guy. You may imagine that is normal but it is not, fuck you too.
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  1250. I do not think it is bad to protest these judges, they should not be free of the repercussions of their choices.
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  1251. Your argument is so stupid it makes it easy to question if you understand what IQ means.
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  1252. No it is arguable the right is but the days of us ignoring which candidates actually represent us because the other side is "worse" is over and it past time we start holding our leaders feet to the fire, heaven knows their donors do.
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  1253. We force phone companies to provide service to areas and constituencies not covered and open up access to the service. I would argue setting basic rules around who and who can not be banned and what the rules are around that is valid. Setting up sold rules that are enforceable with a process to challenge rulings is good path forward. Right now the providers TOS (terms of service) are very loose and open to what ever the platform whats to do and I think it is not too much to demand some transparency and consistency from them on behalf of content creators for clarity.
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  1254. Sadly your generation is the group that empowers them.
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  1255. All religions are a plague on earth. Small groups in each one definitively and regularly prove that.
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  1256. The Media did not have the power they do now, the only reason Bernie has not won is because they really don't want him to.
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  1257.  @joebud4258  Your spin is counterfactual bullshit in service to corruption. Own that. Laughing when some one punches you in the face may make you feel tough but it actually makes you look empty and stupid.
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  1258.  @joebud4258  Got nothing, so weak! You are pathetic and below my contempt.
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  1259. Just the majority is anti gay, the difference between these two sets of policy is fundamental. It is a relatively benign choice to have or not have unreserved support for Israel no matter what they do, it is quite another to have your party clearly lay out an open stated mandate that denies the deluded supporter equal rights under law.
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  1260. You need to back that shit up with something other than ignorant bluster. I am not buying into any left wing media I am looking at the published statistics it is you who is spewing false propaganda. Even your example represents a tiny fraction of the whole group and is window dressing to support polices that would sharply limit earned retirement benefits for workers who have given a working lifetime of service.
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  1261. Catch up, it also means the "government doing stuff". That is exactly what Bernie is proposing as he is no "socialist" in the classic sense.
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  1262. 2 or 3 tops. Bernie eats her.
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  1263. Better than mobsters having it. During our dalliance with prohibition organized crime moved in and filled the demand for accessible alcohol with the corresponding violence issues associated with the fights to control the market. Having it out in the open and competing like any other business under control of the government may not be ideal to you but it is far better than what we currently have.
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  1264. The more we investigate the more it is shown to be a red herring invented to feed frothing trolls like you red meat even if it was imaginary. Facts will never change the mind of someone like you who will go on spreading the original spin forever no matter what we find because you like it. As the rest of the country who is sane finds out the details it will continue to marginalize people like you who can not see outside your ever shrinking bubble.
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  1265. I wish!
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  1266. That he says some things that validate your preconceptions does not equate to making sense ....
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  1267. The one poll from CNN where it was 30 points up only polled old people .. just saying. You are correct that is not reflective of all the polls, but none of the polls have the out layer that this objection is based on.
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  1268. We know these clowns are shills and let them empty their deep pocket advertising on progressive channels. Very few who are not already trolls join up on a site which is basically unhinged fox news.
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  1269. What serious discussion? You want to keep a standard in place that limits the rights of others based on your take of a couple passages in the bible and the rest of us reject that you should be able to do that. You can talk all day what about your interpretation of the bible but no one is obliged to accept what you assert. Unless you can come up with an argument that is not based on what you think god wants or an attempt to make the meaning of a English word immutable we do not have much to say.
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  1270. No facts though, your gut does not count. If you have an argument make it otherwise you will just continue to look willfully clueless.
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  1271. If it was a democrat in office the GOP would be screaming bloody murder
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  1272. NooseyGoosey No I am saying if you break a contract you agree to then you should not be surprised when you lose access to the service. You have not proven bias and are the only one implying anything by calling them "politically biased:. They may be financially biased but all corporations have a fiduciary responsibility to do that. If you are like many cons as they were banning liberals for hate speech you would be cheering it, the bias is yours.
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  1273. M. Fink We agree that one side ends up not getting their way. I would choose to error on the side of those who can not choose their limitation over those that can. If you are a christian with deeply held convictions that stop you from baking a cake for gay weddings that is a choice you make and your faith based commitment is entirely volentary. It seems clear cut that a person has no innate right to impose their religious views on anyone else backed by the power of the state. These people should not be bakers selling to the public for the same reason Mennonites do not apply to be bus drivers. They can not do the job as their faith precludes it. The limitations of any persons faith should not effect anyone but them. The same goes for bigots who do not want to serve someone because of their skin tone. I would argue there is more public good in supporting the rights of equality of access to goods and services in the public square than a need to support bigotry with the rule of law. The issue is the government has their hands in the transactions either way and enforced segregation when it was legal. As they are involved they should side with policy that promotes equality of opportunity. Someone has to lose and i see it as valid that it should be those who can not do the job of serving the public because of deeply held beliefs, they are the only ones who should deal with the fallout of their own choices not the minorities they arbitrarily target.
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  1274. M. Fink I would not see him banned either unless he was directly threatening someone bodily or promoting that idea. I would always rather the bad ideas of the world be exposed and countered with good arguments than try to suppress them as that does nothing but drive cancer into the shadows. One must keep in mind Twitter is not being principled or ideological, they are trying to protect their bottom line from what they perceive as threat to their business. If they were principled they would have banned Donald long before they banned Stephen, he says many things that are more problematic and potentially dangerous than what Crowder has shared.
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  1275. She is a Moron, her brain is broken. She is not Ted Cruz ..
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  1276. So TM saw GZ scoping him out in the car and ran, this does nothing for your argument. You know nothing about the boys personality and you are not reputable or fair judge of character so lets just dismiss your spin shall we. Everything you think is irreverent to the case where a man picked out a boy on the way home from the store for no reason but he was a young black man, stalked him and then when that boy turned and defended himself shot him dead. Those of the facts and they add up to murder 2.
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  1277. We need to hold these leaders to task, that being said Warren is still among the better options you have.
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  1278.  @zyrrhos  Only the establishment media left. The rest of us see him for what he is a republican establishment operative who is as status quo don't rock the boat as one can get. Anyone that expected bomb shells out of the Muller report had sun shine and rainbow blown up their ass. The fact is he just passed responsibility for the entire issue to congress who we all know will not act.
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  1279. You just did blame them, what do you mean no one? You are blame police getting a reasonable pension for cities going broke, I got news for you the police are middle class. How can you be so disconnected from even your own talking points that you do not realize what you are saying.
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  1280. They shout you down because you do not have facts to back up your spin. I have looked at this issue and the actual evidence is not on your side. I am not personally invested in either of these positions and if it was actually faked would have no issue stomping it in the ground. Nothing that has been shared publicly leads me to question the public record let alone buy into a position that makes no sense. If this was indeed some kind of trick, they are getting nothing for their massive effort
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  1281. Shrug that they at least have the opportunity to move forward when before they were legally second class citizens is a step forward no matter how you want to portray it. I could care less if you can find "racist" dems as the number of republicans that earn that distinction are beyond counting. Even as Clinton signed DOMA he opened the door to the change we have today but attacking the subject of gays in the military in his first 6 months. One side is anti gay marriage the rest are evolving.
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  1282. Conservative Democrats filibustered the civil rights act. It has always been conservatives that have stood in the way of social change, it is their very nature no matter what party they are in. You live in a fact free world and make claims that are not recognized as true by anyone that knows anything. Gay people are not sick and not amount of ignorant blather from know nothings like you will change that. You are on the wrong side of history and that is a very good thing.
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  1283. The dude is a mess.
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  1284. So you got nothing, just like I said.
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  1285. You are not treating them as equals. Turning your head to blatant discrimination is not treating anyone as an equal.
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  1286. Don't use it if you do not like it, how is this a concern?
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  1287. Um sure MLK was a big conservative, we all know how conservatives stand up for labor organization and unions. Get your head out of your ass as you are living an alternate reality from this one, if you honestly think it was progressives that stood against civil rights and not the cons you are more deluded the most like you. Democrat and GOP have changed who their voters are and when the GOP took on the southern strategy democratic conservatives flocked to their banner in the name or segregation.
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  1288. rapidly? we have only had two contests. we understand what it is but it is not an issue yet.
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  1289. It is irrelevant what you think in context of the extension of the rights of others. The majority does not get to oppress the minority because of their personal spin on any given subject, this has been well established. The denial of rights should not to be decided by a vote as it has been shown to only support grievous bigotry to no advantage. You have the right to think whatever you want, you do not have the right to demand your bias be reflected in the laws we all share.
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  1290. At best sanders/tulsi
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  1291. Dude you to not need special senses to know than when someone runs it is because they are scared. As far as GZ;s mind it is hard to read as most of humanity would not have done what he did in the same situation. Chasing down people that cops tell you not to and then approaching them until they turn on you in self defense as they did nothing wrong serves no one. He needs to be punished as his unasked for actions directly led to the death of a boy clearly afraid of an unknown stranger.
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  1292. That is unsupportable bullshit.
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  1293. How many times have you called the cops? Do they recognize your number and roll their eyes? Nothing GZ did is consistent with what should be done in any neighborhood, I do not want an armed vigilante wanna be cop romping around my neighborhood following kids and I do not think many of us do. Your assessment of who is smart and who is moral are being shown time and again to be fundamentally faulty.
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  1294. Check your calender, that was a couple weeks ago.
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  1295. Of course we can all have health care and jobs while spending less than we are right now. A public system would take the burden of providing health care off employers allowing them to focus on what they do and not be forced to fund health care as part of an employment contract. Health care costs as a % of overall spending is out of control and it is for profit private system that is driving that. A public option is the least we should do to cut costs and step into the 20th century.
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  1296. You tell me, you are the one wearing them.
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  1297. Just beat them at the primary and people will have something to vote for instead of against.
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  1298.  Commander Spock  You sound ignorant and scared, which means you fell for it. I'm genuinely sorry for you. Try not not be paralyzed and blinded by your cultish fear of proven medicine.
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  1299.  Commander Spock  12.7 billion shots have been issued and the data is in. Information that can be reviewed by anyone who wants to look at it. It does not support your concerns. Your asserted ignorance is based on any number of half truths and gross exaggerations crafted to sell you your identity as a self proclaimed vaccine expert. It marks you as a low information cultist. The Facebook trained immunologists who chose your genius path of being afraid of medicine died at rates much higher than the immunized. Dead is dead, and the chance of becoming unliving from the vaccine compared to a rampant virus, in a raging pandemic are not even in the same ball park. The arguments you make once had a modicum of merit in that we did not have data and the product was first rushed to market. It is not 2019 anymore, you need to update your stale rhetoric. It makes you look clueless and out of touch with non cultist information. Your unreasoning fear does not make you special or informed, it is sad.
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  1300.  @Mukk13man  We are going with the candidate we know and has been consistent for 30 years. I like yang but he is running against the corruption that is literally killing us.
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  1301.  @Mukk13man  We do not need the religious psycho's or the hard core right to win, just the independents and dem voters. Bernie gets both those in spades. Trump lost the popular vote in a low turn out election. This is because both candidates were shit. Imagining that Trump can beat Bernie or Bernie will have the same issues hillary had is poorly informed. Yang is not going to win anything, just saying.
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  1302. Has anyone proven these people are not parents definitively? I will answer for you, no. All you have is some video of people acting in an way you would not expect them to. I hate to burst your bubble, nothing about that definitively proves your point. Even if they were acting odd it does not validate that there was a conspiracy to fake this event. What you call proof is in fact not proof. I have seen a number of good explanations for these videos that has nothing to do with your spin.
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  1303. It depends on when his mom bought the gun, if she bought it after the ban was lifted then the ban would have stopped it.
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  1304. Regulated capitalism is arguably the best, the brand Kripke here advocates for is a race to the bottom.
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  1305. No it is an example of what happens when you pile poor people into an area major industries abandon. You have significant areas in your country that have suffered the same fate and it had nothing to with race but shifts in demand those areas once supplied. You are struggling because you look at it through a twisted lens. You need to look at a city like New York or Toronto to see the benifits you imagine do not exist. That you think you are doing well is akin to boxing my fists with your face.
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  1306. Or it could be like Medicare that is extending the lives or all our seniors as a cost that is lower than that achieved in the private system while supporting the highest cost, highest risk members of society. Give me an option to buy into that system, keep the private insurers out there for you to get your insurance from. If the government option turns out to be bad, I will change back. There is zero nobility in a any system that allows one to die who could be saved because of their net worth.
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  1307. While overtly lying about what he actually is stopping.
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  1308. That is not the prevailing sentiment. I personally denounce anyone that supports violence, the people I protest not only support it against they disagree with they vote for clowns who openly espouse it in his campaign. One does not have to read too many right wing comments to see who has most "Nice people" among them.
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  1309. War mongers, after GB and his clown posse .. lol wow .. just freeken wow. There is nothing too bizarre or fact free for you to avoid saying it. Good luck in the bizzaro world you live in, know it does not resemble the one the rest of us see.
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  1310. Not in this cycle or the last.
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  1311. Perhaps not, it is certainly not a specialty.
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  1312. TYT condemed this when the story broke, if the IRS had done something as partisan as this it would be a problem. As it turns out this whole issue is a tempest in a tea pot and is actually the result of a conservatives actions and had no focus on attacking right wing groups. You have added nothing and that you call facts slurs does not make anything you say more valid.
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  1313.  @The_Bookshelf_Life  You are deluded, trump barley won and actually lost the popular vote to fucking mess like hillary. You are off your tree if you expect trump to do better this time after showing every populist thing he ran on last time that might have made him better than Clinton last time was fucking lie.
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  1314. You should really explain your position, I have seen plenty of fox news gun nuts defending GZ but no "liberals". If you want to reserve judgment about if he is guilty or not that is fine but the fact is this trial had to happen and is the only way this event could end. I think he is guilty but that does not matter as this issue will go before a jury of his peers and will be decided in court not you tube as is correct. There is no way to be an "independent thinker" and think anything else.
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  1315. Not all christian are Anti Gay and not all support the idiotic label that is traditional marriage. It does not make you homophobic or a bigot if you believe in the bible but you are a bigot if you actively seek to limit another rights regardless of why. You have a bigoted opinion if is bigoted regardless if you think YOUR god shares it or not. A great many Christians do not follow the same narrow path you imagine the bible tells you to and they are no less Christian than you are.
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  1316. As a white loyalist you are harkening back to an age where whites dominated the society with out reservation. You are playing on a sense of nostalgia that appeals to a kind of weak minded clown who needs to be validated by his race as they have nothing to offer personally. We know exactly what we are up against as you are where we came from and we went head to head and won. I do oppose him as his views reflect a small minded provincial way of looking at the world that is best left to history
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  1317. Sigh .. these people are deeply messed up. There are too many people who buy anything said definitively, this woman is either a grifter or a moron .. either way she is a mess and no one should be sending letters from their 6 year old to her.
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  1318. That is a good first step, it gives me hope other states will follow if Kentucky does it.
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  1319. Not a chance he is too dumb even for our government to hire.
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  1320. How many sock puppets do you have anyway?
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  1321.  @theywouldnthavetocensormei9231  I would expect you meant it was in context of gender ..
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  1322. You have not demonstrated anything of the kind, planting your flag in the ground does not allow you to declare victory.You just keep hanging onto your fiction because it defines you somehow. That you do not need a motive or even a rational explanation for why a leadership would do this at the risk of political suicide has not been explained. If they were to try a hoax so big there they could expect zero chance of getting away with it for no real politician or financial gain. That is a tough sell
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  1323. Judd Pickell Yes I know where money comes from. Thin air. Giving super rich assholes who are already sitting on piles of money more does nothing but enrich them. Growth is driven by demand and this top heavy tax cut does nothing but take money out of the hands of those who work for a living. You have been sold a bill of goods and either clueless or a shill as you assert it is going to help let alone promote growth.
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  1324. Judd Pickell My lifestyle is fine and has gotten better but that is not the objective experience of the american worker whose income has declined and taxes have gone up while the donor class has gotten exponentially richer. By every objective standard most Americans are making less and paying more. Most american workers are worse off than we were 30 years ago as they work more and are paid less for it, it is you who is ignorant if you pretend otherwise. Our "modern" living standards are fast falling behind the rest of the developed world because of policies the people like you advocate for and we have created record levels of income inequality while maintaining flat wages while all the growth goes to a handful at the top who have never been richer. In spite of this face those with your spin argue it is good they still get the lions share of the tax cuts that have been shown to only benefit them over the long term. Giving more money to the super rich at the expense of working people can not do anything but exacerbate the problem. There is no shortage of data on this subject if you care to look. It is clear you never have. I did not make you wait too long I hope: https://academic.oup.com/qje/article-abstract/118/1/1/1917000 http://www.frbsf.org/our-district/files/061106.pdf https://academic.oup.com/qje/article/131/2/519/2607097 A less scholarly source: https://www.salon.com/2013/12/10/look_at_the_stats_america_resembles_a_poor_country_partner/ The idea that the vast majority of Americans feel they are doing well is betrayed by the general consensus who feel squeezed and less well off than they self reported a couple decades long ago. This is because wages are flat and all the growth and profit generated through efficiency is going to the very people who paid for and got this tax cut which is going to rob working people even more to give those with the most more money they are going to throw on a pile, spend on automation to cut jobs or invest overseas. Merry Christmas.
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  1325. Who works for a pedo's campain ... nice combo.
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  1326. I am happy to stand by what I believe in no number of assholes from the right would be able to shame me. If clowns came into a diner and chanted about the shame of me not supporting the white race they would look like assholes not me My ideas can stand in the daylight and I do not have to hide behind a demand for civility while I act uncivil, that is their bag.
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  1327. Couple that fact with every single point you would use to verify this "inconsistency" is hearsay and is therefore by your own standards inadmissible.
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  1328. All in good faith because you started your own thread. That is the only thing I "accused" you of and with good reason.
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  1329. Looks like Kyle may be debating Ben there ...
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  1330. The debt and deficit fetish conservatives scream about it when not in power and completely ignore the issue when they are in control.
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  1331. If they do we will have no reason not to toss Clarence out ... The gloves should already be off on these anti democratic corrupt assholes. when they break the rules, throw t he book at them The GOP is ready to make things up to cancel our votes.
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  1332. I am not lying about anything. I do not have to give you evidence of something that is excepted to happen, The fact you want to transfer the burden of proof onto me does not make your it valid. You have the entire burden. Even if there were lies (and you have not shown that either) it still does not prove your imagination correct. I have nothing to prove to you, nothing. You are like a holocaust denier asking me to prove your spin false as you ignore all facts that disagree with you.
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  1333. Tulsi is a mess for a hundred reasons. The longer she has been in the race, the more I have seen her, the less I like her. I turned right around 150 degrees to mostly agree with David. She is ok on some issues but has real problems on several current domestic topics including the borders where she accepts right wing framing whole hog. When she dusted medicare for all it ended her for me and there is no reason to be backing her at this stage. Her 1% bears that out.
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  1334. Many of Obama's reluctant supporters are liberals. When you attack Obama many will assume you are a con and are attaching liberals which may not be the case. All I am saying is it is generally valid assumption to make, like all assumptions they are never 100% correct. Speaking as a progressive I feel I am forced to vote for an Obama (who by all accounts is a lousy liberal) not so much as a vote for him but a rejection of the republican who was on the wrong side of every issue we stand for.
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  1335. Then in that case they should be considered equally egregious. The same was once true of the Jews if we were to look at the time of the second world war were ship loads of them were turned away from countries like GB, the Us, and Canada. We sent those people back to die and that might have something to do with the bad taste antisemitism still has. I know why they are disliked, they retain their communities and do not blend in. They are easy targets for tribalism who want to attack the other.
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  1336. By Matt's standard we should fear all cis males because they account almost all mass shooters.
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  1337. If not you then plenty of people just like you will cry. I have the same experience of assessment and do not agree with yours. This guy is as guilty of murder as anyone can be and his defense is untenable because in the end he holds the bulk of responsibility for the entire event.
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  1338. Because they have a burning cuplusion to be wrong about everything ... The answer is to legalize it and sell it in stores rather than on street corners. Banning makes it violent ... pushes it underground where people get shot. These people are wrong about everything.
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  1339. Synnerization is a fact free simpleton.
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  1340.  @rentfree1438  Except we find it is consistently republican's getting caught. Very telling.
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  1341. Liberal religious people not conservatives, they were radical and were standing against the existing power structure. It was also religious conservatives who tried to use many of the same arguments they do against gay marriage when they fought against inter racial marriage. The only ones who think progressives are for "control of man kind (Slavery)" are brainwashed cons. Christians have proved and continue to prove everyday they have no interest in equality as long is it bucks the status quo.
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  1342. I would argue it made sense to criticize the impeachment of Trump because the senate would never convict anyway. Putting Trump into court for actual crimes makes eminent sense. The idea one could declare a candidacy as a get out of jail free card to stop all investigations has no value to our democracy or society.
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  1343. What have accused you of besides ending our thread and starting your own? You are the one who is throwing around baseless accusations here.
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  1344. They are not even putting a thin veil on it anymore.
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  1345. It is so that you have the legal rights that it implies. To raise a family that it recognized as such. To have the same kinds of parental care and leave options. The same property rights and all the responsibilities and privileges that implies as a matter of law. You would deny them these rights on a gut feeling and fact free assertions. You are a bigot, I might be intolerant of an idea you can be a bigot to someone, for you it is withholding peoples rights and a place in society.
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  1346. Millions of people believe in big foot, Elvis is alive or the earth is flat, none of those are true either. That you do not believe that I am sincere is a simple attempt to discredit what I say with nothing to back you up. I am indeed well informed on this subject from both perspectives and there is not a single bit of evidence on your side that is conclusive or does not have a much more rational explanation than a massive cover up that in the end is not going to make any difference anyway.
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  1347. I did refute it, it has been refuted it was never validated. That you do not know this is clear but the idea you have special insight the rest of us do not is a joke and not based on anything but ignorant bluster. Empty talking points from fox news does not an argument make. Nothing supports your spin and the more that is known about this issue the weaker and more pathetic your outrage is.
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  1348. Still sucks
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  1349. Almost no one gets sick from the vaccine, get sick from the virus though and you now will face huge bills. Your fear of a vaccine over rides what should be a fear of a deadly virus. Not having a job is going to cost you more than the thousands you expect to pay for treatment for compilations due to the vaccine that basically do not happen
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  1350. You called it day one, good work David.
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  1351. Even infertile couples are having children through the use of a surrogate or through adoption, it happens every day. Male gay couples are already doing this to build their families. I do not care what you think about god or sin or anything for that matter and I live in a country where I do not have to. I would put my morals up against yours any day and it is the bigotry innate in your spin that turns more and more people off religion every day.
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  1352. There is no global answer because these reports are not linked. The is NO SINGLE BETTER explanation because the most rational explanations are all different. If two stories do not not reconcile, you do not know one is lye or that either of them is 100% correct. That is the nature of eye witness testimony which is notoriously unreliable as memories of traumatic events are often subjective. Not buying into the bullshit you have swallowed does not make you complaisant, you have "proved" nothing.
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  1353. Then keep your nose out of their life and let him do whatever you imagine he will do. I do not care what you think about gays or god or anything else for that matter until you try to stick your nose into other peoples lives. You are free to be a bigot, you are not free to deny people an important legal standing because you imagine your sky daddy does not like it. Freedom of religion means we are free to reject your spin and choose to ignore it if we so choose, this should include the law.
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  1354.  @CaptainOnePocket  Whatever, like they were hoping back before.
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  1355. Yep, I stand by the statement. Tribalism as a means of exerting control over your culture is an ignorant throwback. Every Japanese, Korean, Chinese or Jewish family who insists their children marry only their "own kind" are making the exact same mistake you are. It is not bigotry to say so as this is a simple fact. Your open defense of bigotry is consistent but accusing me of being exactly what you are does not fly and is not a valid charge, I am consistent in opposition to those like you.
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  1356. I will do what I please, I would rather they correct them so they are clear than leave spelling errors or typo's for you to attack in order to change the subject.
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  1357. Anyone that attacks someone else for getting vaccinated needs to be hunted down like the animals they are.
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  1358. Whatever, I never even belittled the crap you shared and none of what you typed about the analysis matters as none of it validates your argument anyway. So lets agree that no one saw Adam for 2 years, it does not make this a hoax. What if a parent acted inappropriately, does it mean hoax? The answer is to any question like that is always no. Reporting on broadcasts or sharing unproven assertions does not invalidate the idea that staging this elaborate trick does not make ANY practical sense.
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  1359. Define crimes, are they crimes that are committed with guns? Are they crimes that do not end in violent death at the highest rate in the developed world. do they have more murder? The number of murders is a crime that is easily affected by good gun control. That fact is shown over and over. That England may have a rise in other kinds of crime has a great deal to so with the state of their economy brought on after bad economic policies of austerity instead of stimulus after the big crash.
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  1360. That question can not be asked as a whole as each of these events are unrelated and that is the point you miss. That you arbitrarily connect them has zero merit. Each event taken on a case by case basis has a much better and more likely explanation than you offer. The only thing that directly indicates a conspiracy is actual evidence of a conspiracy that you do not have in spite of the size this one would have to be.
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  1361. No one has, this is a nonsense attack about nothing .
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  1362. They do not care about where the money who pays their "entertainers" comes from, it literally does not matter as long as they spit the dishonest fringe bubble talking points their targeted sheep can nod along with.
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  1363. When? They used to try to arrest anyone left of attla the hun as a communist? The right has fallen off a cliff as proven by the fact they call Biden who is basicly a 90's republican a leftist.
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  1364.  @DarkAngel2512  I don't get it, what you are talking about? There are certainly fringes on both sides, but the right paints the left wing fringe as in charge when it is clearly not and has no power to speak of. Trans and anti gay issues are examples of the right changing the narrative by lying about what is even supported by the left The entire conversation is deeply dishonest from the jump as right wing spin overtly misrepresents what the issues even are and pretends standing up for basic decency and admitting these people exist is grooming children for sex. I would be interested in why you think they "lost the plot by a long shot" I would argue legislatively the left is doing literally nothing new. Any argument they are going off some cliff would take more then empty misnomers to back it up.
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  1365.  @DarkAngel2512  The "far left" has no power. The entablement hates every left wing idea that costs the billionaires a dime. They hate the actual left and only play to identity nonsense just fox and OAN plays the same to the right. You have been sold outrage porn and resent the fact all these losers do is talk about identity garbage. If you were to try to list all the items the "far left" has gone insane on it would be a safe bet you going to share spin that speaks to a common standard you have been told to be mad at by another establishment source that is seeking to otherize half the country in order to maintain a broken status quo. If the left had any power we would have paid sick leave, health care for all and a no slave minimum wage a long long time ago.
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  1366. She had no great or even reasonable points. You have to be a psycho to even think she does ...
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  1367. I imagine you have when you appear to just be making stuff up, the term pull it out of your ass is relevant.
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  1368. That is precious. They should have figured out by now they are not very good at controlling things that have gone viral. They have no argument and they have no legal standing to get those ad's taken down. The fact is they engage in much more deceptive spin daily and playing clips of things he said is not slander and not legally actionable.
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  1369. Pfff .. most popular politician in the country by far. Lots of people want him. I would argue far more than want trump.
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  1370. When did he say otherwise?
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  1371. I do not support anyone who is focused on the promotion of any sub group and see it as shortsighted and a throw back to a different time. It is a simple way to bind a community together and it arguably "works" but it suffers from the innate flaws exclusion always generates. I do not argue that you or the Jewish people should not able to make choices you both do but I feel the same way about both of your racial and cultural isolationism. That it works does not make it the best way to do things
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  1372. Because we are already talking about our school system being more expensive, adding armed guards that bring zero extra value is not going to lessen that concern. States and municipalities are already laying off police and that anyone one thinks this is a good solution is shows they do not care if it a viable option. Couple that with the ignorant drivel about the fact our president has security and it is easy to question the clowns ability to define IQ.
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  1373. I just asked the question, I am really interested in a left leaning answer to the question. I have no idea why wondering that is immoral. I do not see this as GZ defending himself as he initiated the entire thing for no reason against the recommendation of the authorities. Letting him off on self defense is to give anyone who can scare someone into defending themselves a free pass for murder. Your spin is weak and to call me immoral is a joke considering your spin a boy is dead and you cheer.
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  1374. I will cast judgment on them for you ... I fight for peace, love and prosperity even as these backward hateful clowns stand in the way of it.
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  1375. Only by the right wing narrative which frankly makes her stronger. People who trust their lying eyes and see her for what she is if they do not have a predefined hatred for what she says. That is why she won and will continue to. Putting your head in the sand and making shit up is a good way for you guys to go, I encourage your ignorant and weak spin as it does nothing to hurt her. The party who put Palin in for VP, voted GB in twice and likes Trump has no right to talk about supporting idiots
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  1376. You can be a principled bigot bit that is still a bigot. No one should care why you are one your reasons are immaterial to the rest of us.
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  1377. The tax cuts Bush enacted have already cost us much more than that. Time to get our deficit under control without just slashing services every Americana uses.
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  1378. You do not know that people meaning adults don't believe in Santa? Don't you? You appear to live in an alternate reality and perhaps should get some help over there.
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  1379. We have better optio s if bernie runs.
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  1380. We are the 1st world country with gun deaths remotely as high as ours. Compare us to any other G7 country (who also have access to video games) and we are head and shoulders above them. The major difference between us is we have very poor and easily circumvented gun control law.
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  1381. Imagine the maga gop.crying about tone to their eternally name calling base .... wierd!
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  1382. He did a photo shoot with Time for Oct. 22, 2012 issue, the photos are from that article. That they were supposed to be complimentary and he posed for them makes them that much more funny.
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  1383. Javier Navarro It appears you really are limited in your capacity to understand nuance or that your diametrical proclamations are empty and miss the point badly. There is such a thing as democratic socialism and your apparently willful ignorance does not change that. As described in the video the term has a broad array of uses and your attempt to dismiss all except a narrow definition marks you as deeply tied to a simplistic fact free narrative. Dipshit.
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  1384. Look up the term right wing halfwit .. get back to me. The way they held power and ruled was authoritarian nationalistic militaristic and hierarchical in nature. They crushed the idealized models egalitarianism and equality their systems were founded on which did not survive contact with reality. The means of production transferred to the people was valueless when it served the tiny interest of the "party' who acted exactly like crony capitalists and enriched themselves while maintaining absolute unquestionable power.
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  1385. Algernon Rat To equate those things on the weak spin you have is ignorant at best and dishonest at worst. Attempting to lump them together in the nonsensical way you do is vapid, empty and not attached to reality. Your entire argument is based on ridiculous spin. Ignoring the differences is the real red herring. You literally have to pretend those who you oppose are a caricature of what they actually are to make your argument. You use the fact free spin of an indoctrinated fringe dweller who makes up loaded definitions to back what is consistently terrible unworkable policy.
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  1386. Why? .. as he clearly said it is not a big issue. It is certainly not the biggest issue or concern associated with the trans community.
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  1387. Blaming legislation that never passed is fodder for the moronic. This is proof positive these liars do not even have to try hard to dupe their sheeple voters.
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  1388. We all listened to it ourselves, that you live a fact free universe does not change the truth for the rest of us. Your arguments define ignorance and you name calling and judgment of others intelligence has consistently found be lacking. You do not come across nearly as smart as you somehow imagine you are.
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  1389. CNN is actually making that argument on air with no hint of irony.
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  1390. No, they are losing because they are paid by the same people that own the GOP. The establishment shills never fight back and they ignore sellout assholes like Joe Mansion when he votes mostly like a republican because they are paid not to.
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  1391. 5imbadzs Anyone that thinks Nancy Pelosi is a "progressive" is clueless as to what the term means
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  1392. Shrug, that is because you do not know or care about logic. Truth to you is slander, up is down and bad is good. In your bizarro world everything is opposite. That is fine as people are waking up to what people like you are, fact free clowns.
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  1393. You have not, your have a problem asserting things as fact that you have not remotely proved. What possible point crushes my argument? That there are inconsistencies in testimony? That you have a wild imagination? My argument represenest widly excepted reality and I have nothing to prove you are the one asserting the official story is a lie, no matter how much you want to deny it the burden of proof is all on you. Just like I do not have to disprove big foot, I can dismiss you too.
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  1394. That has nothing to do with the idiotic talking point that liberals support radical Islam when nothing could be further from the truth. You do have points but they are not in support of the statement that I was originally commenting on. I did not say liberals always get things right but shared an appropriate distancing of liberalism from a false association with Islam when in fact conservative Christians are identical to these people in many ways while liberals have almost thing in common.
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  1395. The same can be said for tobacco then. A few states have legalized it unless you use your definition and in that case cigarettes, alcohol are are also "illegal"
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  1396. Race an arbitrary set of characteristics foisted on us by being geographically locked in one location for a long time. What is so awesome or desirable about the preservation of a skin tone? What about being white do you love most? What about your skin has you ignore the value of what others can contribute to your community because of their background? We have wasted far too much human potential on backwards tribalism, as we measure people by valid characteristics our opportunities increase.
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  1397. And you do? I know he is pretty savvy politician that is arbitrarily hated and mislabeled by a specific group who happens to be right wing. I put it to you that you have no idea who he is outside a caricature that has been drawn for you by very brutally partisan groups who simply do not care about facts.Your assertion that because I do not agree with you means I am not thinking for my self is categorically false. Nothing about this event as a hoax makes any sense or has real value except to you.
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  1398. It is not communism, you have no idea what communism is.
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  1399. Shrug, what you think means less than nothing as being called a troll by a troll is a compliment. Your fact free rantings show you to be more clueless with every word you type. Think and clueless is not way to go through life clown, get some help.
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  1400. We are going to have to show up in real numbers to break their hold on us.
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  1401. @Shane Funk Trump and the GOP are innately crooked. They are nakedly gerrymandering, kicking off voters off the rolls and siding with crooked voting machine manufactures etc. None of these facts are in question. T The establishment GOP did not want Trump any more than the establishment dems wanted Hillary but none of their candidate had a massive lead to protect. Pretending they would not have done the same or worse is silly. Trump has proved he is bought and paid for with his actions by putting the same Goldmen Sach's lackeys he hacked on hillary for into his cabinet and pandering to every corporate special interest that owns the gop putting corruption on overdrive. Get your head out of your ass as it is not clear you live here at all. The establishment of both parties is entirely owned, one set of leaders running opposes this and none are gop.
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  1402.  @Swat_Dennis  The age thing is silly, what we need is consistency and integrity which is in short supply among many of the young. I do not care how old my next leaders is and you should not either.
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  1403.  Matthew Huszarik  In a system where we have two parties and you have a potential candidate who has caucused with them for decades to do so would be nothing other than anti democratic.
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  1404.  @jawadad802  Elements doubtlessly will behind the scenes if it gets that far. I expect they will try to put their finger on the scales the whole way through. One thing we must keep in mind is they are not very good at it. Our votes, our actions are much more powerful than they are as evidenced by the run against Hillary. With all their power to hide narratives and block Bernie they still barely won with a massive head start and no one knowing who Bernie was at the start. They will try to stop him but much like the GOP failed to stop Trump they will not be able to stop an actual populist getting through this time. Nor will their support of Trump do anything but hurt the Orange halfwit.
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  1405.  Matthew Huszarik  It would make a mockery of our democracy. Pretending a two party system is better than a one party system is pretty sweet lemons. He has caucused and voted with the party for decades. He authored many of Hillary's signature declarations after the last primary and the party adopted many on their platform. Many democratic candidates today have adopted positions only he had last election setting trends in the party. He campaigned like a monster for the democratic candidate last presidential election. He campaigned for democratic candidates last election cycle too. Pretending he does nothing for them is deeply ignorant or dishonest. Which are you?
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  1406.  @jawadad802  i have seen zero evidence they have the power to be any more effective than they were last time. Their support for hillary was a failure as the won a lopsided battle against Bernie who was a fraction as powerful as he is today but in doing so lost the war as they spat on half their base to do it. The amount of money they dump is ever less relevant as actual populist candidate's gain name recognition the Koch and establishment spin in general loses power. Howard is less than nothing and is basically irrelevant as he represents no actual voting constituency as there are not many billionaires and his unpopular spin not a threat to anyone.
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  1407.  @stephlynn1982  no one is making excuses for the establishment Democrats. Please stop pretending otherwise.
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  1408.  @jawadad802  In 2015 maybe, but shortly into the campaign it was clear they considered him a threat as they actively sought to marginalize him as the leaked emails definitively prove. The assertion they did not even try until the last few weeks is fundamentally incorrect. They pulled all the dirty tricks from the start. Take us seriously or not they will be no more capable of stopping an actual populist candidate from winning the primary than the GOP was for Donald.
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  1409.  @jawadad802  The idea they did not think he could win until just before the end is undermined by the fact they marginalized him by purposely setting the debates in low viewership times to minimize his exposure or that they front loaded the southern states to give hillary an edge and take advantage of Bernie's low name recognition early in the campaign to just name two big things they did real early. That they only scrambled at the end is fundamentally untrue. Bernie is wildly popular among democrats and very popular among independents. His spin even appeals to many in the rank and file that vote gop and his integrity crush's any establishment candidate hands down. Your viability concerns are born from a fact free narrative spun by the media and beanie is hands down the best candidate to crush trump as he has none of Bidan's/Hillery's weaknesses. The way to win the house and senate is to be bold and stand for something instead of just being not worse than republicans. Obama took the house and senate with a bold vision that promised change, he lost that appeal because people saw he was not going to deliver and the democrats lost election after election until the last one where we saw an uptick against cancer in the white house. Waiting for the GOP to become so toxic we will choose an establishment democrat who will then do nothing except to capitulate to the gop when they never do likewise and win because of it seems a poor choice.
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  1410. Because they are both shills who have never valued "intellectual discourse". They are naked paid propagandists who have talking points and straw men not ideas. They can not face actual discourse hence the reason for the bubble they consistently have their conversations in. There is zero chance of either of these halfwits coming going anywhere their nonsense will be challenged by a competent critique. Your comment speaks to overt ignorance of who these people are a failure of credulity which must make you a target for every scam artist you meet.
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  1411. Broken caps Troll .. most would have to crawl to be on your level.
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  1412. It is clear you have nothing but weak ass name calling and live in a fact free bubble .. what you believe is of no value.
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  1413. He did continue it .. that you buy the party line does not mean it is valid. What you describe as "serious" means he would be irrelevant now while changing nothing. Your spin is base empty and only appeals to psychotic trump voters and shills.
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  1414. No one has any idea what you are babbling about moron ..
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  1415. Facts just get in the way for these people ..
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  1416. I could ask you the same thing, you are talking about Luciferian worship/child sacrifice and that everyone believes in Santa. So to answer your question, yes I know what I am saying? Do you?
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  1417. But what about the losers who say the Nazi's were left wing? Why are all these Nazi's running as republicans if this spin was true? Just stop you right wing losersm your talking points are painfully and entirely failed.
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  1418. The only reason to argue against this idea is in defense of chamber of commerce talking points that are in defense of employers paying a segment of their workers less and nothing else. Even if there was no difference in the wages there is no downside against fighting for pay equity especially if there is no wage difference as the trolls claim.
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  1419. Niether of those two have a snowballs chance toe to toe with bernie. I like them both but you people sound delusional.
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  1420.  @johncrab67  And sadly they were right in 2015 but that was because he had no name recognition and was the first one to ever even try what he was doing. He was the best in that race and is the best in this one. Everyone in this race who is worthy of consideration is a pale copy of Bernie. None of them would not even be possible contenders without his success and model. They all need to walk the walk and earn the credibly he has before I can justify support them over the original.
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  1421.  @abhinavjoshi8331  Hopefully less an less main stream candidates will win as the idea of non corrupted candidates catch on. The establishment has been winning on name recognition and lower voter turn out. I agree and will vote for an establishment dem over the GOP but we need to replace them if we intend to continue winning elections. The main stream owns the failure that has handed power to the GOP again and again.
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  1422. Face plants? I do not think she did. That she was not definitive enough and got rattled by the questioners does not mean she said anything incorrect. There was no confusion just surprise at the inane question about occupation.
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  1423. You are free to express yourself how ever your want but the right to swing your fist end at the tip of everyone else's nose. That you wish to defend a certain vision of what marriage is all well and good but you have no right to impose it on anyone else. You are guaranteed a right to worship as you choose and think and say what you like, you are not guaranteed anyone has to listen to you or that the state support your vision. All change is is reckless to a certain group, they get left behind.
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  1424. No one is clutching pearls, we are sneering at ignorance and dishonesty shipped out by Koch money.
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  1425. That would cause more harm than good .. the fact is it would bankrupt us the idea has zero merit. A flat tax is a gift to the richest and a killer to everyone else. Every droller not collected in taxes will be drawn the middle class in user fees and other charges. Worst idea ever.
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  1426. This is un true and pretty bizarre being I see clowns with your tone and sock puppet signature look and name type and they say that TYT is shilling for warren. TYT has made their positions clear in support Bernie but I see no bias, pretending they are a cult is empty spin consistently shared by cult like trolls and random haters.
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  1427. You are getting your facts wrong and the fact is it will save us money according to the non partisan budgetary office. If you get your info from fox news you will get empty spin like this. The huge profits for insurance companies is the part the republicans demand for any level of support. The progressive idea would be a public option without the insurance companies involved but that would be "communism'
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  1428. No one hates you clowns, you are just clearly wrong and we shout you down every time your try to sling your ignorant drivel in public. This may feel like hate to you but the fact is no one can drum up that level of emotion simple because you come across as clueless.
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  1429. Stephen you should leave Canada and go live in Poland. Being surrounded by white people seems to make you happy.
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  1430. Only the prosecution has been presenting so I am not sure where you have imagined up evidence that supports the defense. Trayvon could not know who was chasing him and had every right to turn and defend himself if he thought he was in danger by an unknown entity stalking him. Go ahead and imagine everything in the trial supports your ass backwards spin but that is not the general consensus from the sane. A provoker is responsible for the actions that occur.
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  1431. as it sits in their guts like 10 pounds of bad meat.
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  1432. No just despise you as a loathsome clown.
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  1433. That is because you can't calling it idiocy while saying nothing but lol and name calling does nothing to justify your position.
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  1434.  @joshua511  I know they did you npc. They invaded amd thoer lame excuses you will reexcrete like bad spin dump does not change that. You are a dupe or a moron, both are bad looks comrad.
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  1435.  @KonglomeratYT  this not a new fight and Putin is not going to enlighten us with new information. This is Tucker blowing him, nothing more.
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  1436.  @0Fyrebrand0  Putin is a monster and Tucker us sicophant to ugly power. Thst you like lutis says bad things about who you are. Thanks for taking g the mask off. Good to know who the goofs are.
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  1437.  @chrisbohanon403  We need more Russian propoganda like we need more holes in our head. This both sides thing is nonsense, our information is not state censored like Russia. I have heard both sides, unlike Putin's people
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  1438.  @Pts1221 Tuckey blowing him does not give you new info. His view point is better derived from other sources. Tucker is acting a mouth piece for nakedly dishonest totalitarian state. The fact is Putin is a self serving dictator who values only a tangential version of the truth. Putin represents a fringe edge of radical that has not been in play since WWW2. Because I care about reality I have taken the time to gather information and perspectives from both sides. I am not expecting anything new from Tucker as he fellates Putin. Giving voice to the worst and most radical elements of it does not bring the world back in balance. Tucker is part of the problem. He is interviewing the dictator at home, all you will get is the softest softballs. You are not getting new information or another perspective, you are getting the spin of a monster, little more. Enjoy
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  1439.  @Pts1221 I already know his view point, a monstrous dictator at the head of a totalitarian state that crushes the free press. He wants to continue to control a sovereign state he has no right to. This is not a new war and Putin's "perspective" has been available the whole event as I live in a country the state does not control what I watch, unlike the Russians. I am my own mouth peace and your assumptions are better applied to your self as you empower the rhetoric of anti freedom totalitarians invading a sovereign country over the voice of those invaded. I have listened to all sides of this conflict as the war is not new. The grand poohbah of Russia will not add anything new in Tuckers ultra softball, boot licking interview. I am not sure what you expect to learn from this. You are not being principled about information when defending this unemployed propagandist doing propaganda for murderous dictator that crushes the free press in his own country.
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  1440.  @Pts1221 You are ignorantly assuming I did not have both perspectives long ago. I have made my decision based on knowing "both sides", unlike you I assume. I have plenty to add, it is you who is craving spin from a disgraced unemployed propagandist and a murderous dictator who does not value the free press in any way. Just because you like the tone of Putin's policy does not mean his spin has merit. He does not champion common sense and you literally have to put it aside to accept what he says. Putin is radical, Tucker is radical, they are radical and craving their spin will never make you balanced on the issue. I will learn nothing new from Tuckers sycophantic, softball over the plate interview, maybe you will though. What must be exhausting is defending the worst people on the planet as worth listening to. Unless you want to have a very, very specific bias confirmed, the interview will be useless.
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  1441.  @veronicaeugenia2231 Applies much more accurately to Putin, just saying.
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  1442.  @Savssmiles Well they do not treat them with kid gloves to fish out their justifications for the crime. Fact is they do not generally publish these interviews and if they do no one says it is due to journalistic integrity or to "give both sides". Giving this monster an open mike where you treat him civilly as if he was just the opposite side of light hearted dispute does not serve anyone but Putin and his agenda.
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  1443.  @Savssmiles Not scared, I just dislike monsters being amplified. Putin has a whole countries worth of reporters working for him, he does not need Tuck volunteering now he is unemployed.
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  1444. Stefan is cancer .. the guy is a cult leader for a specific kind of rudderless asshole.
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  1445. I assure you it did not touch a nerve, I have a penis but it is not the focus of my politics or what I believe in as opposed to you clowns who are hyper focused on it. You accused me of going off subject when your weak comment back to me had nothing to do with the topic on hand. Hypocrisy is second nature to people like you and is sad you blithely accuse anyone who disagrees with you of doing same things you do as a staple of your communication. It is pretty pathetic really.
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  1446. They have far more in common with radical Islamist than they would ever admit.
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  1447. Voter ID laws have nothing to do with stopping the non existent fraud you claim is a problem. It outright lie and anyone who repeats it is an idiot or a liar them self.
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  1448. There is only one president in the last 50 years who ran a surplus and he was not a republican. It was the right wing polices that took a surplus and turned it into a deficit, the wars you defend were a significant part of the debt. Medicare drug giveaways and useless tax cuts were even more of it. That you want to blame democrats for the deficit belies the fact the republicans own most of it.
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  1449. Or stay here do not pay your taxes and go to jail as you are probably not a millionaire or huge corporation. It is you choice.
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  1450. To avoid issues they need to increase the cost of insurance for everyone to cover the cost of covid. Anyone that can prove vaccination gets a discount for the increase.
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  1451. He did stand with unions, he was a union organizer. Unions offer the little guy more support today than any other facet of our society does. Your liberal agenda bullshit is just that, conservatives do not like unions because they work real people and not the hyper rich. You are bought into propaganda drummed into us for 30 years as you fight unions you empower the same 2% of our population who have absorbed all of the growth for the last 30 years at the expense of everyone else.
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  1452. Ah no the burden of proof is on the people randomly asserting reality is not true.
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  1453. I noticed a change a couple months ago and started blocking all the MSN, Fox, etc feeds that started taking over. I found late night talk shows started walking in too so now manually go check those out when I feel like as I blocked them too in favor of content I see as far more valuable.
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  1454. You were not there either clown, that has not stopped you ranting on and on. He was following someone he clearly already frightened into flight. And that TM turned and faced him attacking when GZ reached for his phone which could have very well been a gun makes sense even if it was ill advised. Scared people do dumb things, scared kids are even dumber. None of that warrants their death. If GZ had not gone out, followed, ignored the cops and then approached none of this would have happened.
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  1455. You are a slave to ignorance. I personally bow before no one dems or repugs as they are both owned by the same interests that are buying our system using the very tool we are now discussing. You spit fact free talking points like their truth is self evident. When this story broke both Conservatives and Progressives both condemned it with equal fervor, as the facts come out and it is shown to be bogus on the slaves of the fact free right wing bubble still try to sell to them truth does not matter
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  1456. You did not defeat me, I made comment in good faith and that you do not recognize this does not do you any service.
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  1457. Of course. The fact is they cloud be in total power and somehow blame the dems for messing thing up. If fact that is what everyone should expect.
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  1458. I rarely encounter examples of thoughtful conservatives, I probably disagree with this guest on any number of things but it is clear he has rational stances that butress what he stands for, he is a breath of fresh air from the right. We need more people like him speaking up.
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  1459.  @JohnnySplendid  I am not inclined to agree, he is probably a pretty bad guy on any number of issues but he is not off the deep end crazy like the ones I encounter as a rule. It would be nice to discuss this stuff with someone on the other side who is not insane and has a decent vocabulary, this guy appears to qualify. My bar is pretty low at this point.
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  1460. You are the only who buys into baseless talking points. Reality has a liberal bias.
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  1461. If Cruz will not show they should give the time Beto to just have the time to talk on CNN.
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  1462. Ya back then they were the conservatives ...
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  1463. Not with a republican senate you will not.
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  1464. Short answer is they don't. They do not think the pandemic is an issue.
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  1465.  @evangraham532  I would bet that everyone at that party was vaccinated and I would be surprised if they were not testing at the door. That being said, you do know that no one is paying attention to what Obama does besides you and yours right? You know he has no power and has not set any policy over the entire pandemic right? I personally do not care what he thinks or does as it is largely irrelevant. That he is another rich douche bag with privilege issues is not news. How is his party you refer to worse than the hundreds thrown by maskless unvaccinated morons all over red states? Do tell ....
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  1466. Toe to toe with Bernie .. Biden will fall apart. The longer he is in the lime light the lower his credit will fall, he is hanging back for a reason.
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  1467. Our rights should be for everyone who is in our country (regardless of citizenship) or they are worth nothing.
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  1468. Openly strait people who are rabidly anti-gay. This does not mean they are strait, self loathing is the kind of catalyst that makes it ok to step into others lives and attempt to control their choices. Is everyone who is anti-gay gay, no but there is significant number of repressed homophobes that are.
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  1469. What are the other differences? you allude to them but as usual do not say anything of value, what question do you imagine he dodged after?
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  1470. Berniie is the best. But he is not in yet. I have some of the same reservations that david does but she is still miles better than booker.
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  1471.  @TheBeastOfTheHarlot  Ya so. That is a plus.
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  1472.  @TomSmith-gw6fn  We do not need republicans to win. We need to excite democrats an attract independents and that is what Bernie does. Republicans and establishment candidates win when the vote turn out is low. Bernie is the kind of leader that will bring out those who normally do not vote out. Bernie is popular with democrats, independents and his policy is often popular with GOP voters. If our goal is to put someone in the white house who works for us then vote Bernie, we have never had so many good options but no one comes close and everyone I would consider is a pale copy.
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  1473. NO ONE GET FULL PAY! I told you the standard, they get 1/2 pay after 20 years 3/4 after 30. Your assertion is not based on anything but some propaganda whose goal it is to strip pensions. You literally have nothing to back you up but your ignorance, and ignorant assertions in the face of fats are not a valid arguments.
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  1474. Bernie is better than her in almost every way and she is brand new. I would like to see her walk the walk for longer than she has and answer for some deeply questionable things she has recently agreed to on a shill right winger show. She has a future but unfortunately for now she is little better than Warren if she is. She is not remotely as a good as Bernie. This should not be a hard choice for Tulsi supporters going forward when she drops out.
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  1475. They are from the region known as a the Caucasus, it the place the word caucasian came from. You can not be anymore a "traditional" caucasian than they are.
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  1476. Keep selling the ivermectin you half wits..just hurry and get out of the gene pool.
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  1477. Why should anyone be beholden the the historic meaning of a word that once meant your wife was your property?
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  1478. 80% of Bernie supporters voted for Hillary. The issue was hillary was business as usual and spat in half her bases face while expecting their support. Many independents voted for Trump because at least he sounded different to promise of a status quo no one likes but the rich.
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  1479. She was dusted before this afternoons caputualion. To crazy for Trumps Team, way unhinged.
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  1480.  @victorseal9047  Brand is just a grifter riding a wave, he is clever enough to pick where his dinner hangs..
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  1481. But if there are less guns there is less need to have them. If they are harder to get they will be in the hands of a break in thief less times. That there is less gun crime and shooting in every other developed country other than ours is a testament to the fact our gun culture with no little regulation does 1 thing, it ensures more deaths by firearms. Another semi auto at the theater would have simply meant more innocent people getting shot and at the point everyone has a gun who do you shoot?
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  1482. I did employ logic, that any number of reports were odd gives zero creditability to whatever unsupported idea you come up to with to explain them. Especially when you can not link them together in any other way besides they are attached to the shooting. You make a leap of logic to get to the conclusion it was fake regardless of your number of reasons. Until you actually link any of these points outside the shooting then saying it has any one cause is invalid and not logical. You leap logic.
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  1483. You think? Or is Tulsi just going to go away after putting her foot in her mouth over and over. She is not the power house you pretend she is and has real problems all progressives should be concerned about. If she was the only one besides Biden in the race you might have a point but we have the original and there is no reason to push a questionable inconsistent wanna be. Predicting anyone's end on behalf of Tulsi spin is deeply silly.
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  1484. I do not defend the inconsistencies I explain them without making up a hoax. If you were not cowardly you would talk to me directly instead of including my name in a thread. The weakest ideas are the hardest to defend is an old axiom that applies in this case. We all know our 24 hour news cycle jumps on events like this and reports ever scarp of info they get without verification. This can be found in almost every major media event where they look for information to fill time.
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  1485. it is an intennable argument that only backs up racists. Redefining the term is invalid.
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  1486. I know you mean everyone who gets a pension, that is why your sick views are even more despicable and panders to a group who wants nothing more but to crush the middle class. You point out the most extreme case and then try to call it the standard. Every one of your numbers is alarmist clap trap and the only option I see out of your side is we should break the long held contracts. To cut them for everyone else will do nothing either, by the time the next wave retires this will not be an issue.
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  1487. No I do not watch MSNBC, wrong. Just so you know the entire corporate media is the same and being lectured about media choices by someone who appears to watch fox 24x7 is not something that has any merit. I am not talking about any other case but this one and from what you have shared it does not appear you have any special insight not possessed by others like you. Why are you defending a man who killed a 17 year old boy over nothing more than a need to fulfill his paranoia? Dumb indeed.
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  1488. Thats Not a Knife, This is a Knife Their talking points on primarying existing democrats mirror exactly what Parkman said. They do not make sense.
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  1489. Yes you did mentions stuff about religion, hence my comment. You can say what ever you want it will not change the fact it will likely be just more ignorant drivel. Most of the planet does not think you have the idea of god right and that goes double for your rantings about the devil. No one cares what you think and nor should they you have nothing to offer to this debate. Your spin is being thrown onto the trash heap of history where it correctly belongs.
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  1490. The age objection is attached to the crazy out layer cnn poll that had him way up and was well outside the margin of error on the other polls. They mostly polled old people and that is where this age polling objection comes from one.
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  1491.  @arthilleusnemu4272  Measure where Hillary was at this stage against a no name Bernie and tell me if you think Joe has big enough lead to hold on til the end of the primary. Crushing it? Not really, being the entire establishment media is in his corner. He is holding his head above water and will not get any more popular than this.
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  1492. noly310 Yes, because Joe actually undermines what the democrats stand for and is effectively a republican anyway. The days of picking republican light have to end and the empty wisdom that the only way to win is to act like a con have to end as it is not clear that assertion is not true. If we had less Joe's in the party perhaps we could have passed something other than a right wing heritage foundations health care plan when we had a super majority.
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  1493. RizenLink Of course I do and that is why I voted for her as she was better than the alternative. That is not longer good enough and she proved the her brand of "progressive" is not popular enough to win. Republicans are cancer but the Hillary democrats are barely better the fact they are GOP light is why they lose. The answer is not shaming people into voting for candidates they hate but running ones they like. The last time democrats won big their leader ran as progressive who excited the base, lets to do the same again only this time lets put a someone in power who is not beholden to his/her donors first.
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  1494. RizenLink On numerous key issues they are basically indistinguishable from a 90's republican. The fact they passed the GOP's version of health care reform while getting no GOP votes should speak to who they are. You can keep blaming progressives for recognizing and not choosing the lessor of two evils when they are both evil even though there are better options. If anyone is going to unify it should be behind the leader who has actual popular policy and does not just pay lip service to it in service of the highest bidder. Democrats are better but establishment democrats on numerous issues are just as bad as any member of the GOP and ignoring that fact does not make it go away nor does it address the increasingly hard to ignore problems spawned from the policy of leaders that work for their donors first. I am tired of the self riotous empty failure supporting spin of establishment die hards pretending they know how to win or should be in charge. Being called stupid by halfwits that do not recognize they are being played by a donor class that literally does not care if you live or die while telling us to unite behind their unpopular candidates is painfully weak and empty. It is time to cut off these assholes who have been selling out our country and our future to the highest bidder in both parties. The status quo offered by the establishment of either party is no longer acceptable to vast swath of the country and it is time you suck it up and unify behind an actual populist who cares about his voters instead of sellouts who are out of touch with reality and promise more of the same.
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  1495. They do not believe in your version of god any more than you believe in Zeus. Your threats about what god hates mean less than nothing. No one cares what any of you crazy fucks believe.
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  1496. More fact free garbage from a clown that has no idea of the terms he uses. Treason, look up the word it does not mean what you think it means.
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  1497. Of course, the revelouton is not to be televised.
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  1498. Prey tell where do you get your unique and tin foil hat like insight about Newtown?
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  1499. These assholes should be put in one place so they only kill each other with their ignorance.
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  1500. Just proves they have more money to dump into PACs. It does not prove popular support by any stretch of the imagination. The only reason to even seek this status is so your donor do not have to be identified. A tiny group of rich conservatives want to hide behind these groups, it does not speak to popularity of them but how a small number of people want to game the system to their own advantage against the rest of us.
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  1501. Betting you are a TYT fan, lol.
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  1502. They can and do have them, you have no idea what you are talking about. Your god does not only condemn them but says they should be killed, fuck your ignorant bigot of a god even you reject his spin.
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  1503. Speaking of epic fail, look in the mirror.
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  1504. You are the one with fantastic claims hence you have the burden of proof. You can say you know the score but in truth you believe in unsubstantiated spin translated and recopied with an agenda over 2000 years then reinterpreted for your subgroup. You are the one that has anything to prove and the day you can you will make your religion the only one on earth, that is not going to happen. I do not have to do anything to discredit you as you have absolutely no credit to start with.
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  1505.  @edwardsmith5650  You have to be fucking clueless to believe "Trump accomplished more positive results for this country than any politician in two centuries" is true. You are TFG.
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  1506. No, I will just point out what a douche you are until you go silent.
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  1507. He does give a lot to charity .. listen to the story.
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  1508. You might as well have said that you an ignorant waste of skin.
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  1509. She is getting paid ...
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  1510. They are not capable of seeing irony or applying the reason that they need in ever other part of their life.
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  1511. David you are rocking it. Keep wrecking these silly talking points.
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  1512. Racist clown
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  1513. Sad weak minded troll.
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  1514. Of course not feel like they have to make up for wrongs committed, they revel in doing wrong declare up is down to turn any vile thing they support into a virtue. Liberals continue to fight for equality to day just as conservatives fight it. MLK fought for the common man for workers rights none of which conservatives can stand, he had virtually nothing in common with you and fought tooth and nail against conservative opposition. I know you hate education, people learning stuff shrinks your base
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  1515. One of us is dim witted and believes in an idea only a loser could buy and that is not me. The points I bring up are not remotely countered by any of your pathetically weak spin. You are the one who is redefining "reality" and coming to conclusions that make no sense when there are a great many better explanations for the items you call evidence. You have been sold a "reality" by fringe conspiracy theorists and call that reality, it makes you look like a clueless joke.
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  1516. More bullshit and lies, the only party that was even implicated in cheating was the republicans. The fact is they won the congress with a majority while getting a minority of the vote because of real the fraud of gerrymandered districts. If things would have been on the level they would control nothing.
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  1517. You have weaker more pathetic points than this wing nut of an over smiling simpleton of a "lady". That you think the garbage she says has merit makes it easy to imagine you as having half a set of teeth.
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  1518. Don't move or the country gets it!
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  1519. hey there  They already did that. There is no reason for them not to play the same game to get the nomination stolen from them back.
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  1520. LittleAl016  He was corrupt because he was beholden to the big banks and the military industrial complex when he was elected to represent us. With a democratic super majority they barely managed to pass the republicans health care plan with no support from the republicans. He promised us change and talked a good game but in the end made permanent bush's tax cuts, never closed Guantanamo, charges no bankers and pass no meaningful bank reform and continued a policy of 24 x 7 drone strikes and a pass on charging clear war criminals. If he was not corrupt then he certainly looked it. He was not what he pretended to be.
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  1521. Does not matter, I am not talking about what the letter of the law says I am talking about what is right.He said ok he did not comply with it all. He continued the pursuit out of the car after he scared him enough to make the boy run. It surprises me that people like you only defend the right of the armed instigator to defend himself and not the innocent citizen who was being stalked by an unknown assailant for no reason. Zimmerman caused this whole thing to happen and it is on his head.
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  1522. Unless you count more billionare tax cuts and gutting regulations that protect us.
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  1523.  @bobsilver3983  Your pathetic fear based on nonsense is sad and weak. This is a non issue now culty, find some other dumb issue to fail at. The world is laughing at you, you were never right and now the data is in, it does not back you up. Fear that once made sense at the start is now silly and ignorant.
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  1524.  @bobsilver3983  Most of the world got the shots culty! You are the fringe and your silly fear of medicine does not make you any kind of superior.
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  1525.  @bobsilver3983  The world did not turn against it, your predictions are as bad as you ability to evaluate medicine or health care choices..
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  1526. This haridan is the worst kind of punch down moronic hypcrit. Green is a true car wreck.
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  1527. der ... troll.
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  1528. Hope your holidays were great too, Wishing ya a happy new year. :)
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  1529. Do not agree at all. I like her but it is her forign policy tbat takes her out as an option. We have had enough stupid lip service to our counter productive and expensive war on terror.
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  1530. She can be but should not be called one by the sane. Let me get this strait you clowns now want to openly label any woman who takes responsibility for a need to get birth control a slut, that is fucking ridiculous.
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  1531. He is releasing them on the 15th ... relax. I am so tired of this bullshit. It is not a problem and will not be a problem. Quit comparing the two.
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  1532. What you are saying should be the way it is but it is simply not true. There are a great many cases that were the catalyst for this legislation. There are numerous case where woman have the same qualifications and sometimes even greater value were paid less because of a historical standard to pay woman less. That the tide is turning is no reason to support people doing to same job getting paid less only because of their sex. It is bad business and there is no justification for it.
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  1533. I do not support full gun ban and it is a ridiculous proposition even if you think there should be enforced gun control. The rest of the world has shown we can stem many of our issues by taking a much more moderate approach to fix the issue. Demanding a full gun ban is not desirable or reasonable and plays into the hands of those who want to do nothing as it muddies the water with a unachievable response helping them drown out the valid requests for change that we can do and will help.
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  1534. You are the one spouting naked propaganda and are a slave your fact free view of reality. We know the truth, we know what there is one party white supremacists can vote for because they now are and always have been conservatives. Get you head out of your ass, it is hard to believe anyone can be so will fully ignorant that they can not see simple undeniable facts.
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  1535. If George did not chase Martin against the dispatchers advice Trayvon would be alive today too.
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  1536. It is pretty funny to see someone actually type something so deluded. The vast majority of the country does not share your narrow vision of what Christianity is, you are not correct and have nothing to offer anyone. Keep your religious garbage to yourself as you do far more harm with it than good.
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  1537. He can get around their silly rules. He has a rule from his home state which basically gives him blanket immunity to directives like this by making him a defacto democrat. Last time they started with a giant head start and unbeatable name recognition, even so hillary barely won against Bernie who started as an unknown. Let hillary or any other DNC supported shill run. They were not popular before and they are far less popular now. They willy not have the first half of any primary to run up the score and this time they start behind not ahead. All those "sexist" arguments were deep failures and are even worse now as people know who Bernie is and what he stands for. They have literally nothing to stop him and barring someone taking violent action they will not be able to do a thing. The establishment GOP did not get to pick their candidate last time either with trump. There is no reason to expect the DNC will be do any better pushing their chosen shill than the republican party was without Hillary's giant head start and many advantages.
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  1538. zanbrocal I understand your perspective and have evaluated making it my own in the past. Regardless, I just think we need an all hands on deck approach to solving this problem including building of the third parties. In this case I see Bernie running in the primary as the best way to effect real and needed change in the democratic party as we work on building other options including another party. I see his establishment democrats as a weak team who are hobbled by their donors and count on apathy and a lack of voter turnout to win, those are poor weapons against a prepared Bernie. We will see what happens going forward. In the mean time keep up the fight, every voice, every principled vote is needed.
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  1539. People pay attention to american politics because it is a crazy soap opera that is the kind of shit show that is fun to watch. It is the internet version of the train wreck reality shows which always find an audience.
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  1540. No you are crazy because you belive in the idea that giants helped build the pryimids 200 years after god drowned every person on earth except a few in a big boat. Your clear problems appear to exceed mine in every way and the more you speak the more wako you will look. This has absolutely nothing to do with my penis and everything to do with freedom. Your personal religous bias no matter how backward is your right but it should never be legislated. Real equality should not be removed by a vote.
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  1541. Agree, it achieves nothing but alienating voters for no reason.
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  1542. Coming from someone who is perpetually stunned, you of course you are stunned. That people buy into your weak minded conspiracy does not mark them as sharp or individual minded. You are a special kind of slow witted sheep who wants to believe in something that does not make sense. None of what you cited is me contradicting myself and I have to assume you do not know what the concept means.
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  1543. We are for freedom, you are the ones who can not stand another point of view. You and your kind have have stamped on all other views as a matter of course and if given the chance would make any number of freedoms illegal. None of that is true of a liberal who believes in live and let live but will fight against you taking anyone's individual rights away. We stand against you not because of what you believe but because you would force others to live under laws based on your personal faith.
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  1544. Not a concern, not a concern. not a concern. Check the election only an small ignorant minority agrees with you that any of this was an issue. You lost, you really need to stop feeling all butt hurt.
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  1545. Thought you were referring to gun prohibition. As far as murder rates, they have been falling for the last 20 years and in many places are the lowest they have been for a very long time as a percentage of population.
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  1546. Only someone completely clueless can imagine them self in a fight and winning when they never landed a blow. My argument was never that odd assertions were never made simply that none of them draws a direct line to conclusions you draw that just so happen to support other erroneous falsies you hold. To even dip your toe in the muck you swim in you have to imagine there is an entity out there willing to risk everything to achieve a nebulous and profitless goal. You can not win period.
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  1547. One has to ask why they would float a hoax this big. The immediate answer is greater gun control. Well we all know that it is unlikely we will now get any and if there is it will be so watered down as to be completely useless. So now we have 2 choices, imagine this was some kind of conspiracy that would have to involve 1000 of people to get legislation that will not pass anyway or that our media is information hungry and irresponsible in their reporting. It should be an easy choice for most.
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  1548. Because in a two party system you need to run as one of them if you want to lead the country. Running as an independent is basically impossible in our electoral system and if he is to win running as a democrat is the only path. He does not take the DNC's money, this is about power and the DNC serving their donors.
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  1549. Speaking of epic fails, look in the mirror.
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  1550. Ridiculous, you think they should risk their lives doing jobs in your service but get no retirement package is some kind of solution that will allow us to tern our schools into armed camps. You can't force people to stand around in schools after they have retired. I do not want some untrained teacher with a gun in my child's classroom no matter how much you do. There is no liberal spin here our president has no more security than the last one and you clowns were not bitching then.
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  1551.  @ateam3727  When you make up stupid rules you look stupid. A good tip for you; stop talking about things you do not understand and do not care to.
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  1552.  @mattm5505  He should, you can only win twice.
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  1553. Your response is asinine, kids coming back from the store with ice tea and candy run when they are afraid. GZ was suspicious but TZ had no reason to feel guilty and would only run if scared there is no other reason for him to run. Of all the calls to the cops in the neighborhood 10% came from your wanna be vigilante, he must have had them on speed dial. TZ was minding his own business on the way back from the store when a stranger started stalking him, fear of that is normal.
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  1554. But if they do apply they should have to go through the paper work and be checked as it is a requirement of the IRS to do so. They should not be rubber stamped.There is no evidence that these groups were given more scrutiny or delayed longer than any others. That they could not tell their weasel donors that they would not be named may be a slight hardship but if they needed the status earlier then they should apply sooner. Correct oversight of this process is not a hardship and is necessary.
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  1555. I support what is right not what a party tells me too. I do not march lock step with leadership like the right seems to do. I am critical of policies that are harmful and supportive of ones that are good. This is not what I see from the other side who just says no to anything that is does not get a positive spin on fox.
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  1556. The identiarain movement is was a far right wing movement in Europe that promoted a mono culture and Europe for Europeans. This guy was using words he did not know the meaning of and came across as deeply out of touch
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  1557.  @brightwinter9334  Your wish outs you as sack of sh!t. A cultish idiot of bad intention and character. You are going to wait forever to be validated you ignorant NPC. Safe bet you go before me, I am not afraid of medicine or doctors like stone age tribal throwback.
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  1558.  @brightwinter9334  trash.. backwards trash
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  1559.  @thomassutherland4330  This is incorrect. The shot undoubtedly saved many many lives. The highest death toll to this virus is still among the unvaccinated. You either survive getting the virus or a get shot, it is the only way to build immunity to this once novel pathogen
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  1560.  @thomassutherland4330  You apparently need to hear some data not right out of a self selected ignorance bubble. When you trust your gut more than the data, you are going the wrong way
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  1561.  @srfrg9707  Knew who?
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  1562.  @laurapitt4822  Your story is anecdotal and not backed up by the data, the fact is virtually all the most productive, active people got the shot. The people who did not are a tiny minority, people have heart issues every day and randomly blaming them on a vaccine has no merit. There is no data that attaches the vaccine to your bizarre numbers that are deeply ignorant or perhaps dishonest
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  1563.  @ollirantala  Pretty much the normal death rate for that many people. In fact if you want to look at elevated numbers the unvaccinated during the pandemic were hit much harder. That over a billion got it, so even using your numbers.1.7% died, not a shocking number. People pass every single day, it is literally part of life. The data does not back your out of date, hyperbolic fear. This clown you defend was saying we would have 50 million deaths, even by your numbers she failed. Do you get tired of defending grifters who are proven wrong? Listen to what she predicted, none of her garbage came true, it does not matter how you feel about this. Reality does not agree with you.
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  1564.  @brightwinter9334  No need to continue to take them, the pandemic is over and I the virus is no longer novel to me. I have no doubt you eat your boogers.
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  1565.  @thomassutherland4330  If you have not listened to anyone yet, it is unlikely you will given the pandemic is over. Anyone still crying about the vaccine is fighting strawmen at this point.
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  1566. You need the right to marry and make a home with the one you love. You need the right to visit them in a hospital, the right to a family not defined by narrow bigots. That you would deny a group of people these rights to defend a narrow but constantly updated version of marriage marks as below contempt. It does not matter what your say anyway as you are on the wrong side of history and it just a matter of time you people go the way of the segregationists your fellow bigots.
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  1567. Do not kid yourself they are sending us corporations too along with the trash.
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  1568. I did not twist anything, I quoted your ignorant spin. If I was to say I am anti-welsh then I would be the exact same kind of bigot an anti-semite is. Your spin that ones is far worse is fundamentally false, I do not have to twist your words when what you say is stupid and does not back up your spin on its face.
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  1569. Persecution is an odd word when you can not point to one that was "persecuted". You have watched your ignorant in the bubble propaganda, as the facts come out this just makes you guys look even more out of touch than we already assumed you are.
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  1570. And ...
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  1571. Pitty the place he goes to. That dude pays no taxes.
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  1572. Troll
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  1573. They are better off without these bigots around them and their family. They should have left before it got to this stage, at least they figured out what was really important.
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  1574. Republicans did not but not conservatives, the conservatives were democrats back when we freed the slaves. Your attempt at revisionist history is painfully transparent and only clowns who live in your fact free bubble buy anything of the bullshit you sell. Look at the history of discrimination in our country and you will see conservatives were ALWAYS behind it.
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  1575. Even more telling is that when faced with real honest and open opposition the guy who is the defender makes and replies to his own posts instead of dealing with the person that is countering him.
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  1576. lol
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  1577. Malarkey, it is being scrutinized the same way any paper that is published. By the very nature of ID he can not offer a testable model and is therefore is almost entirely based on a negative argument. The mistakes and omissions in Meyer's work are many and varied, and often layered on top of each other. Elements of his paper are easily picked apart by the same process every peer review paper goes through. Your labeling it a gestapo speaks to your total lack of understanding of the process.
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  1578. We just have to run a candidate smart enough to campaign in the rust belt when Hillary did not and it cost her the election.
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  1579. I do not know anyone waving the flag of Venezuela ... what we are mad about is the international MIC picking their next leader so that they get access to Venezuela's oil. The regime there is garbage but supporting imperialism or pretending they actually care about fair elections and not just stealing from them is a hard sell as regime change only seems to matter for countries with oil. I do not support Maduro in any way, I am against us picking their leaders as they NEVER work on behalf the people. We support 70% of the worlds dictators, the idea we care about democracy (including our own) is empty garbage. If we actually cared about repressive governments we would not have the Saudi's as a top ally.
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  1580. If you are not going to protest the government taking small children from their families one wonders where your line is.
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  1581. When bush looks like a statesmen, what you have is disaster.
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  1582. The GOP is fully owned and the dems are basically the same failure and are being paid to throw it. They are the Washington generals to the Gop's Harlem globe trotters of corruption and our leaders being for sale has to end. #JusticeDemocrats
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  1583. I could care less, you are the one who is "desperate to have the appearance of a winning argument" and spread it some kind of twisted gospel. Your spin appeals to a specific kind of simple mined generally right wing conspiracy theorist but makes no sense in context to most people. I do not have the win this argument as my position represents well established reality and it is you with the burden of proof. Poking holes in your pathetic reconstruction of of a tragic event is a reward in itself.
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  1584. You fuck off hateful troll.
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  1585. I think that ending Bloomberg has value to Bernie.
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  1586. But as individuals we are not measured that way. No one should be forced to have a child that they are not prepared or willing to raise. It is the woman's body that is the incubator and the fact we can not force a parent to give their liver to a child means we should not be able to force them to carry a fetus. The biological imperative to reproduce is not affected by abortion, most women who get one plan to have a child in the future. This makes it not an issue if they have children but when.
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  1587. Shrug, that you call me bigoted means less than nothing as you defend bigotry like it is a virtue. In effect by calling me a bigot you are throwing laurels at my feet and I simply reject your acclamations. To be called bigoted by a self declared bigot does not hurt as all anyone has to do is read our posts to know where we stand. Bigot!
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