Comments by "Yester Vue" (@yestervue4697) on "Johnny Harris"
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@rgg.x1
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The secret is bigger than that. Look up where two of the most off-limits places that are to go see are on the earth and can only be reached by flight or sailing. Both are internationally banned from us going there to look. These conversations here are just scratching the surface...
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Do you believe the Bible at all? The actual reality is genuinely in there. It describes it in detail. That is one of the biggest secrets and it is in one of the forbidden locations where we can walk up to it and see it and touch it, and that is why we're barred from seeing those places. Byrd and Tesla went and actually measured something there that they are hiding, it used to be in Encyclopedias before 1958 but they took it out after the treaty was used to "off-limit" those places to the whole earth.
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How do they convince you it is round? Well, before you ever even try to think about the concept...like years before, what is one of the first things they show you in kindergarten all over the world. They are donated free to every school too...
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Ever wonder why they call some things what they do? Like Extraterrestrial for instance? It means "extra, of earth/earthly" actually but it is beat into our heads to mean "from another earth, and not this one".
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We know better, we have eyes and can see the truth when young quite easily...when we reach young adulthood...they use ridicule and separation with humiliation to get everyone in fear of asking again or questioning things. Like how you can make billions of tons of water stay in the air effortlessly floating in a cloud bank overhead...but then we argue that water can stick to the ocean and not somehow fall off of a round sphere. They use the fear of ridicule and separation to pressure you into a narrative.
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That by the way...with the eyeballs thing is really kinda sad logic to use if you think about it. Have you ever seen what the globe would look like if you removed all the oceans from it? Even their model is not at all rounded...it looks like a smashed-up piece of gum that's been thrown away...not a sphere. The ocean's surfaces make their model look round, not the planet shape underneath it.
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Hey, for a quick "things that make ya go hmmm" experience lookup real quick at the logos for the United Nations, and the World Health Organization. Notice ANYTHING odd about them? Have you ever seen that anywhere else? Look the logos up though...very easy and fast to do! Big hidden right in plain sight clue there!
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You pretty much have to look these things up on your own or you'll never believe me just telling you. You will have to see with your own two eyes.
In every paragraph above is something easily searchable, kinda clue l like in other words.
I am only trying to make folks think and look for themselves and quit just blindly accepting everything they tell us is true. We all agree the world's governments are shit and lie constantly about everything to us taking advantage at every turn...yet will defend the "science" they dictate/control/teach us and start a gunfight defending that as the gospel truth. That is some pretty inarguable very confused bias at work...cognitive dissonance makes us mad at first though so it is expected. We all went through that when first starting to really understand the world around us...
I promise I am only on an enlightening mission...everyone just wants to fight through...conditioning makes us all hostile to one another...I may not be tonight but I will be back soon...Good luck!
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To make a car go around a corner (a radius) you have no other option at all but to make the car turn a radius to follow the one you want to navigate. Period...can't happen any other way.
But for some reason, people who think the earth is a sphere, have no problem thinking that a plane does NOT have to operate the same way...and it unquestionably would have to whether anyone likes it or not.
If the earth IS a sphere, it has a surface that is a radius and not a straight line as in a flat earth. SO how then do you make a plane use a straight line to navigate around a sphere? You could only do so by having to occasionally or steadily adjust the plane's pitch angle to go "over" the horizon as it progressively curves downward and away from (a radius) the plane's flight path.
Yet every person that argues this with me clearly states that a plane does not and would not have to do anything to adjust for that if the earth truly was a sphere! Baffling yet true!
Here, we'll put it in a way that most are familiar with as many have experienced this first hand.
Take a car at high speed, and approach a hill at that speed. As you progress "up" that hill (the inclined side of that radius as you travel toward it) the car's momentum wants to keep it going that same path. So when you reach the apex of that radius, the car tries to become airborne...and leave the surface because it wants to keep traveling at a straight trajectory. But the front end of the car "points downward" or FOLLOWS THE RADIUS of the hill or it would become airborne, and if fast enough for several yards. Planes are bound to the exact same laws of physics...
(PS Physics ARE called LAWS as they are proven so that's why they are not called THEORY btw...like the "heliocentric theory, and "theory of gravity" so on)
Just because a plane does not touch the surface of the RADIUS as it travels along over its surface at a maintained altitude it will without question still have to "curve" its flight path downward to stay that altitude or it would just start gaining altitude.
The ONLY way to navigate a radius is with another radius and that also applies to planes...period. A straight line and a curved line cannot ever, ever, ever run parallel to one another.
Definition of parallel
: extending in the same direction, everywhere equidistant (see equidistant sense 1), and not meeting parallel rows of trees
The earth looks like this from a high elevation, it is NOT spherical at all. The use of a fisheye lens makes the faked appearance of a curved surface.
The earth is flat...look...
https://www.bitchute.com/video/HjxMJkOeg5Xs/
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@randyschissler5791
I actually do know, I have actually done stick time myself. My brother-in-law is a pilot, owns his own plane, and the plane I flew was owned by a good old family friend for decades is whose plane I navigated so was actually up at altitude and witnessed tho horizon myself with my own two eyes. Please tell me of your personal experiences as a passenger multiple times or navigator of a plane? You can even verify the existence of the "Phil Woodson Memorial Air Field" yourself. I haven't seen/talked to this owner of said airfield in a long time (20 yrs) so no idea if still operational...but the name is definitely searchable/verifiable. it is in my home county not a half-hour from the house I grew up in! you're a punk with a lot of absolute bull shit to talk about and nothing to back your shit...in other words a total bluff failure! Pisses you off to lose, doesn't it? lol...
Shut your shit and prove me wrong...do it, put up, or shut your punk shit up! ANYTHING short of proof is absolute undeniable evidence you failed...totally...period! Words mean NOTHING..show us, we're waiting still!
I am speaking the truth, verifiable. The fact that a curved line is impossibly forever unable to be traced with any type of straight line is going to kick your ass forever in this rhetoric...period.
The only way in the universe that a radius can be followed by a parallel line in relation to it is called a concentric radius. First look up the forever unchangeable definition of what a parallel line is, and then look up what a concentric radius is. The only way to trace a radius is with another radius...period. See for yourself how your perpetual bullshit just digs you further into ridicule! Look it up! You look forever more and more stupid the more you talk!!!
Show me with proof and facts, not forever bullshit words in this chat but real evidence that it can be done and I will openly concede and proclaim you the victor in this open forum for the entire universe to see. I will wait on your failure...repeating bullshit in place of proof is not anything...prove or step aside. You're cornered. Do it and prove me wrong...I'll wait.
Planes cannot EVER, EVER, EVER, run along at a fixed altitude over the course of a transatlantic flight and NEVER have to point the nose of the craft downward/change the pitch of the craft IF THE EARTH SURFACE WAS CURVED! You continue to talk shit and never once provided anything of proof or even logic to back it! Do it! Common, pull up a quote from a flight manual, some google fact verification...hell ANYTHING you want but your own words failed repeatedly! And always will! You bombed so badly! Go away before you embarrass yourself further...seriously! You lose over and over and over and over and over and over...and the more you talk you continue to do so! Show me anything that DISPROVES you cannot trace a radius with anything other than a radius and you win!!!!!! Can't do it! FOREVER YOU CAN'T!!!!!
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@randyschissler5791
Yep, and totally true. The same way a car cannot go around a curve and keep the wheels straight...you guys ALL go ver the wrong point. Evasive and pointless and dodging the answer. In fact, terrified to face the truth. Curved lines cannot ever be followed by straight ones, we aren't even talking about altitudes. You can if you'd like but hell get your brother and law to show me or you on paper how a straight line can trace a radius. Never able to be done, by anyone. For a plane to maintain altitude it has no choice but to trace a radius if the world is a ball...and it's not. The reason the panes do NOT have to adjust is that they fly across FLAT planes of the earth, in other words, straight lines, not a radius. Tell him to look up the patent for the plane he flies...and read the description of the craft. It is right in there for all to read. You all love being lied to, like trying to pull a horse from a burning barn. I can't tolerate you any longer, talking to you is like clapping with one hand...
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/1-hour-best-fake-station-fails-compilation-nasa-lies-flat-earth_QziXeRspIo62NYx.html
https://anonup.com/upload/videos/2021/03/w8jJbLX7o564B6Y2A4UN_31_8d9931117104061644af80a32e62c48b_video_original.mp4
https://www.bitchute.com/video/3kYRA7SE8We6/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/HjxMJkOeg5Xs/
You look like a fool in the face of proof going on, and on, and on, urgh! Your hopeless.
But others reading will look at the links and then agree that yeah...you got proofed and look stupid continuing.
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@boterlettersukkel
Was a time when mature real men could converse with one another, and then if an impasse was reached...they could respectfully disagree. But that required manners and mutual respect for one another even if on opposite sides of a debate. The problem with you is that your always heated posturing blatantly expresses two things you are thoroughly absent in..."maturity" and "respect".
You, no matter your age or so-called education level...(which i doubt to the highest in spite of your empty claims to it...) fell into the current social manipulation scheme and like a good obedient idiot followed suit with how the rest of the IQ crippled social practices of today's general population of fools have trained you to do, and kicked your manhood to the curb and began the parroting of the media trained attitude you seemed to have absorbed so well. You could have been brave enough to be your own man, have but that is apparently beyond you and your limited social abilities. So you just followed suit...
I would suspect you to be the wife-beater type, a small-minded and insecure degenerate that tries to manipulate your spouse and/or children through domination, fear, and intimidation.
Violence overwhelms your mouth and your mind has an obvious hair-trigger explosive response mechanism controlling it. You become quite aggressive in a flash, proven multiple times here in just a simple chat string when anyone disagrees with you.
And I am a total stranger...I shudder at how you would react to that behind closed doors where you felt safe enough to really blow your stack and double up fists in reply. Your way, or no way! And would bet if they keep disagreeing with your ideologies...you will smack that disagreement right out of them...maybe even with children.
Talking with you in an attempt to have a conversation with another "adult" (which I also have grave doubts about)...is just like turning on CNN and watching the riots we went through last summer.
Remember those? Where the "righteous" representatives of today's social shitheads burned buildings, beat and murdered people in the streets, and just attacked anyone that would not agree with them? Not just for having a difference of opinion, but trying through the means of cavemanlike behavior tried to "force" the world to agree with them?
You would be a shameful representative of an educated adult. But I have come to the conclusion that you surely are just a young immature, and grossly misdirected mouthy liar with no real education to back your empty head and vile mouth. Grow up...you are a pathetic example of a man and I would never allow my children to grow up as you have become...you proved you are little more than shit with skin.
I just pray you don't go toss back a few over this and begin beating someone you love in frustration, but it would not surprise me in the slightest. I wish I lived next door to you...I'd buy rounds for you and sit and wait in a lawnchair for you to get buzzed enough to "man up" and bring that attitude close enough to get taught some old-school real man-to-man manners lessons.
Juvenile punk assholes like you are always the "bravest" of the lot when the distance and anonymity of the internet keep you at a safe distance.
I am sure you will have some mighty and overblown attempt at a puffed-up red-faced come back to this...but I'm betting that in reality, you couldn't beat your way out of a wet paper sack!
It would be fun to do a vaso drop on you...I am not threatening you, I never pull the first move...just saying...you have no real bravery to speak of and it shows like a blinding spotlight on you for all to see.
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@philaypeephilippotter6532
Go back to your cult church of modern science where there are also others who are too afraid to challenge a paradigm...a mass of scared very tiny-minded individuals is all you are every one of you. You are not brave enough to learn any longer...so you won't ever again.
You are only practicing "faith" and not at all science, as YOU personally have seen nothing. You are very good at taking what others tell you as proof and then through FAITH taking that rhetoric and trying to bully people with it that don't think like you.
People like you burned Luther at the stake alive...real class acts you guys are.
You can't use reason and logic, you just look for the next crowd of angry lynch mobbers with pitchforks and torches seeking the next victim...sad and extremely small minds. Fear filled to stand on your own...so you need to collect with other idiots to make up for a real empty lacking inside.
You are all just mean kids making fun of the "nerd" in school because you feel inferior to them inside and trying to get others to laugh along with you pointing at them in groups of small-minded punks.
Except now decades later as an old nobody with a grey beard today...but still, a punk moron with a depleted IQ, never having progressed past a 16-year-old mindset for how to deal with life socially, using nothing other than humiliation as a tool for acceptance and no brains. You should give up those junior high methods today at your age...they make you look incredibly immature to the world at large.
You are now just an "OLD" punk nobody...someone who is nothing in the world trying to be something still by seeking out the same disruptive kids in the class to hang with for comfort.
Do something with your life, Phil quit seeking out places for no other reason except to try to ridicule others to make yourself feel better about your overload of shortcomings and failed efforts.
As a failure in the world and a nobody...that won't change that...it only perpetuates that nothingness that you are.
You haven't the slightest research into anything behind your remarks only FAITH in others from the cult you are part of. It is exactly that, a faith in what others told you.
YOU haven't presented a single damned thing to back your mouth except what others mouthed before you that you repeat...parroting and nothing more period. YOU haven't posted ANYTHING but comments.
We can all see how good you are at insults, and that is really ALL you have done. It is all here for everyone to read and see, naked and exposed...
So have a great continuation of your dismal wallowing in nothingness as just another nobody, a teenager with a grey beard a hollow empty failure.
THIS is NOT journalism and I never claimed it to be, and the only one who waved that around was YOU, in just another failed attempt at mockery. I mentioned I like to write, that's all. You never even knew that after this whole entire conversation till now and you grasped at it like a drowning man trying in vain to use as another tool to attempt ridicule...fail!
If I am wrong in all I stated here...WHY do you come here? To these video chats?
To learn? To grow? To improve your knowledge and understanding of the world?
Or as I know, mentioned above, and is indeed the real truth...only TO MAKE FUN OF OTHERS IN YOUR IGNORANCE FOR COMFORT....your entire many days' long verbal vomiting proves what I just stated.
You're an absolute failure in that attempt and mindset and apparently quite uncomfortable as such...work to change that instead of trying to pull everyone around you down to your level to feel better about it.
PS~Go fuck yourself, Phil you are a proven, idiot and I offer this whole conversation for review as my PROOF that you, with great effort, carved out all on your own.
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@Lee.S..B
Heliocentrism is still only theory and nothing more.
Theory=conjecture, assumption, guessing, hypothesis, etc. Notice the words fact don't appear, you can Google the definition and the model theory both for yourself. We are swamped in a world of "theoretical" science I.E. guesses, assumptions, unproven hypotheses...and everyone bets their life on it like it's fact.
We already had the answers long ago, then you went to school and got twisted and so do the children still today.
Guess who gets to dictate what they teach your child?
And what gets taught in Colleges=you can't get financial aid unless you follow?
Politics, NOT science or fact. And theories that become proven are no longer referred to as theory, yet after decades and in some instances centuries...they still bear the label as THEORY.
You can only say someone's "guesses" are better than another period...there is no leg to stand on as fact whatsoever.
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@MrSirhcsellor he arena of consensus science debate is a deliberately stacked deck in advance of shutting down any opposition to the consensus opinion before it can even be offered. Any proof is forcefully slammed with no acceptance for even attempts at peer review to be placed into a one-way street of "if it isn't peer-reviewed and condoned...it is unable to even be presented in debate as evidence" so that's forever impossible. It is an unbeatable setup, deliberately arranged in advance to quelch anything that can be presented in an alternative light and as such, it forces any debater to go forth with no other option than to don the "Jester's Cap" and walk solo into a Gladiatorial Arena of jeers, laughter, and mockery waiting ahead of time with bated breath to do no more than ridicule and insult the oppostion.
I am not and never have been "paranoid" either. When you learn you have been lied to, look and through actual lengthy investigation learn that is true with self witnessed evidence...you can never fit back into the old way of thinking you left again.
I am a decades-long experienced investigative journalist by hobby...so open my mouth AFTER investigation and never on a spontaneous viewing of a video or online chat point.
This username is one of many I write under on many platforms. I interact with dozens daily in conversation, comfortably can absorb a few hundred pages a night reading, and learn as well through the expedited methods of online searches. Much faster than the old days of ordering books through a library and waiting for hard copies like the old days. I do not watch television, am not influenced through mass media whatsoever, (in fact, don't even have cable...only use internet and landline phone services), and being near impossible to get on the cell phone for more than literally a mere few minutes. The picture you seem to have envisioned of me as an intellect (or lack of, I can't read minds so...) is quite the opposite I feel.
I went through school 7 years ahead in reading, and am gifted in and quite comfortable in public speaking and teaching. I read and research things of interest feverishly en mass when piqued to do so. Nothing I say/respond with is a knee-jerk reply ever... I have reading comprehension (tested too, not self-proclaimed) in critical, interpretive, and creative arenas on par with any College graduate.
I would LOVE to be able to use empirical science to debate with, proofs through observations (thus the video evidence that can be seen with your own eyes I love so dearly), reproducible experimentations, etc...but it is all but outright been killed in today's world dominated by "theoretical scientists" and "consensus science" at the helm that I am up against.
Relativity, Quantum, Heliocentric, Evolution, and on and on it is all argued from theory and is still to this day called such through a lack of in spite of in some instances centuries of lack of any evidence to be proven and be removed from the title of "theory".
Einstein, Hawking, Sagan, Krauss, Dawkins, Gould, and on and on there as well...ALL theoretical scientists! And we have built a science "Empire" on theory alone today.
I can't fight that monstrous overwhelmingly funded institution of consensus science with debate verbally, so resort to 'You have to show them with their own eyes...or they will never believe it" methods. Like all the video evidence I posted.
So it would be the same as asking you to come to speak alone in a colosseum filled with "flat earthers" to debate from the standpoint of "accepted spherical earth" evidence all alone with no support other than your own wits and memory. The same exact scenario in reverse. Not a comforting thought is it?
The taunt to debate in that methodology is not really an offer to debate...but more an offer to smear with overwhelming odds stacked against me. No one will leave their own comfort zone...so I am never truly given an opportunity to duel on an even playing field. Only offers to go at it in a place where opposition feels comfortable the deck is stacked in their favor.
If the odds aren't stacked for them to feel they are safe to be able to win, they won't even accept in layman's terms.
Consensus science is literally a religion unto iteslf...no proof is actually truly being offered and therefore must be accepted on faith. Today's world is dominated by consensus science...so is the spherical heliocentric model hypothesis I am standing in opposition to.
I feel this will go on endlessly with no relief.
I appreciate you being one of the very rare ones that didn't come out of the starting gate with calling names and 50+-year-old insults constantly parroted, and hope for and wish you well in life. I will go away now.
Thank you for the adult conversational exchanges.
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@drlogic4535
Me? Open my mind? Really????
For starters, the damning phrase "paid to" is included in the suggestion and that is always the most prominent reason to DISBELEIVE things. And you do know where the title "conspiracy theory" came from don't you? I know...exactly....and why it was coined as well.
And to top it all off you scoff at 'fake YouTube videos" and then direct me to another YouTube video! What kind of idiot do you take me for? This platform is used by me so often for the fact that there is so much publicly accessible video viewing available to be used and not have to go film or record things myself...and it is all free!
I dropped out of public propaganda institutions at 17 when teachers become insufferably boring and the curriculum objective became ridiculously transparent, I under my real name am on record as testing at literal, inferential & evaluative reading comprehension levels on par with college graduates and so am extremely capable of understanding "exactly" what I am reading. And at the prodding of my Grandfather ret. 1963 Sr. Cheif USN (who was the one responsible for my reading levels to be 7 yrs advanced through grade school) I tested well into the genius range in an IQ test at 16 though I place the slightest value on them for a factor to determine the intelligence levels of any individual.
The suggestions you make won't work for me, I came to here where we are now in this conversation from those same places you are trying to initiate me to visit again and overcame them through some investigative research on my own, or I would not be here in the first place going over all this with you here now.
I do not need a paid propagandist to tell me what my eyes are looking at, my brain has done a brilliant job of that on its own for the entirety of my life. School was insanely boring and torturous when you could for the most part accurately not only predict the thought train of the teaching staff but also the textbooks are designed to be read by the learned and absorbed unassisted for those types so the teachers were only there for the ones that stumble and struggle, that was never me. So I would just do the whole year's reading in the first couple of weeks in every book they issued and then spend my time staring at the wall bored out of my skull or browsing in the library for books to request on topics of my own personal interest.
The suggested material only works on the fooled <--(yes I meant that as an adjective and not a noun) that remain...
I wonder if he can explain how they get the entire US Patent office to go along with the "conspiracy theorist" by including the words "flying over a flat and stationary earth" in there like that?
Also why pilots themselves will tell you that they are trained in flight school which is required for licensing to fly over flat earth?
I know the answer to both of those and nothing he said would change that. And as well being in small craft myself having even done stick time in one so have on many flights looked out upon that loverly flat plane at altitude up there and not through the distorting fisheye windows on commercial flights.
I fully well know not only where satellites "hover" and how they work I also know who the largest single consumer of helium is. I know how GPS works via satellites "below" the so-called newly named "Van Allen" belt as well as the old name for that elevation barrier. Polaris gives that whole secret away, and it cannot be erased, changed, or explained away...because once again I can see it with my own eyes and the space model really falls apart just by looking up at night. The sun never rises or sets but merely goes out of and then back into range of our eye's capability to see it, and I know "where" it is and how it is powered. The secret for that is at the center...the ever hidden "pole"!
Rainbows take on the shape of their prism, once again using simple eyesight to debunk through elementary school level experiments at home so water the droplets refraction is debunked for me please don't go there.
You with this push to go look at paid propaganda has everything about it screaming "troll" or information suppression measures via propaganda actually.
The narrative has been broken, we passed a threshold in 2012, and ever since then the pendulum has swung in the opposite direction and the enlightenment has begun.
These minuscule topics I lightly touched on here are a very slim slice off the top of what I have learned and they don't even begin to make a man's head swim like the whole picture.
I learned much on my own initiative through investigation, and these things if any would be the things I could get banned from this platform for knowing and sharing so I start out on the very shallow end of the pool...I won't say them outright. And I absolutely know this to be completely true from receiving multiple bans from multiple platforms talking about them...didn't take but about 4 bans to find out "exactly" where the soft spots were at by poking experimentally at the belly on the beast...
You make the assumption I feel that I only source for information here? This platform is a tool to show things I don't have to go and film myself and interact in chat for me. Can't unsee/unlearn things...this stage is for the fools that remain. I walked out in the final act and destroyed my marker...seek someone more feeble-minded to try that on and let's not try and harp on that any longer going forward.
First and foremost, you need to start back up with a very humbling
"Wow, I am so sorry I was so very wrong in insistently accusing you of telling me "fuck you" to begin with and then beginning a public attempt at ridiculing me.
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Full Definition of theory
1 : a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena the wave theory of light
2a : a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn
b : an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all
3a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation
b : an unproved assumption : conjecture
c : a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject theory of equations
4 : the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art music theory
5 : abstract thought : speculation
6 : the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
Sorry...you lied here is the copy-paste right from the dictionary definition. Notice the heavy application of the words ~assumption, speculation, assumption, theorized, theoretical, hypothesis...
You need to take some reading comprehension classes son. it does NOT mean the fact it indeed definitely actually does mean a guess, a shot in in the dark, a speculative assumption, nothing more than a fucking so-called "educated geuss"! You are wrong.
I started investigating things I questioned in the '9-'s and my first two children were born after I was married and then the internet went public. My first PC experience was a Commodore 64...Goole it if you have never heard of it. I was here doing this before the internet in other words...what's your seasoning and experience delving into the riddles of modern science? I have REALLY been at this for decades...what's your experience time frame here on this topic? Or do you just like all the others here always try and do serious debate recalling only high school science classes and quick Google searches in between grammatically disastrous posts with one or two sentences? The reality is obvious and I know what it is I just want you to say it for everyone else to see...you are in over your head. You a gamer? I get mostly arguments from the kids who think life is whatever the screen puts between their ears.
Now that we have established through the truth that indeed it truly is guessing let's move on to the rest that is STILL THEORIES, UNPROVEN SPECULATIONS, GUESSES, ASSUMPTIONS LIKE THE REST OF THEM LABELED AS THEORY STILL TODAY.
Let's move on to showing they ARE actually still called theories because...THEY ARE!
Germ THEORY...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ_theory_of_disease
Atomic THEORY...
https://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Atomic_theory
Heliocentric THEORY...
https://www.britannica.com/science/heliocentrism
Shall I go on? The facts are right...you are not...there is more to post on every single theory I mentioned being indeed just guessed only.
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@InitiateDee
"I" didn't post or say anything of my own inventions or opinions, but YOU did...I posted exactly what the dictionary says and it says what I said it said and NOT what you said it would say...you can't change the now ages-old super well-established definitions, they are what they are.
Your lack of experience shines through...thus the mention of mine and my experiences/time at the writer/researcher's helm.
After the completion of your public school indoctrination, in the adult world-life on your own (assuming you are over 18 but I feel that might be a stretch) have you ever once sat down, and out of your own genuine curiosity, actually read like 800-12,00 pages of research material and publications, watched dozens of hours researching video footages/actual observations, weeks of hours-long chat sessions talking with others in like-minded individuals in a collective research group, and written or had anything published rooted in that researching? I have...you are a newbie nobody who apparently struggles to comprehend what you read...so your "inexperience and lack of any real verifiable information" you've actually personally looked up/researched is hurting you in active debate yes. You shoot from the hip with every comment, only can say/repeat what others told you, not what you have actually truthfully investigated yourself, and so you flail and fail in a debate like that. I would rather duck out and shut up than keep shoving my foot deeper and deeper down my own throat out of ignorance and bullheadedness trying to outlast truth and fight through on sheer resistance. I will still slay you with the well-known, ages-old, established many times over through genuine scientific method in the days of the real "empirical" scientists before the great deception of the introduction of theoretical sciences that stopped relying on facts called "consensus science".
Do some real due diligence and actually investigate the difference between empirical and consensus science. There is a vast difference and that is one relies on proven facts to make a statement, the other replies on making statements that everyone collectively agrees could be the truth. Radically different as one is fact-based, the other is entirely speculative guessing. Today we stopped using empirical science and everything in your life, medicine, science, schools, society, etc. is all built on THEORIES! Project paperclip flipped America. You just can't see that through lack of experience and total absence of any investigative research whatsoever to back any statement you make.
You are actually helping me outgun you in this exchange...
I used to think just like you...I took every single class I could in science in high school so in my senior year I could only occupy myself with self-interest-oriented reading and research as I had taken every single science elective already and none were left. I "worshipped" science, believed every single thing they told me too as you do...then started digging deeper than my textbooks explained and saw the real world.
I was deceived in school and it was clear when I started looking on my own outside of the "approved curriculum".
You are still in your infancy with this and it shows...sorry it is true. You are putting stuff nearly verbatim at times with what is in the mainstream literature access materials. Do you even really know where to find actual honest real scientific literature? And when/if you do, as you click the first few links provide on a topic...you firmly believe every bit of it on the public mainstream internet is the truth? You don't believe for one second you have been deceived or lied to about anything ever anywhere in the history of your life by your "powers that be"? If you do..then YOU are indeed the fool in the mix and as mentioned...a used car salesman's wet dream!
You'll believe ANYTHING I put on a screen and just because the government put it out you think it is the gospel truth!
Your kind is the reason the sucky things about life in the world we have to deal with suck so much.
The continual reproduction and power breeding of concerted and by design total ignorance!
A nation of citizens who never question anything takes anything the government tells them is healthy is actually healthy, pays whatever they tell them to in taxes, thinks that they are always there protecting them and not just protecting the establishment and enforcing control of all knowledge and information...you are a good sheep.
Grow a set and start questioning what you read and stop JUST reading it. Ask, inquire, keep learning daily and get your head out of the PC games occasionally. Your view of the world is a screen, you have a screen between your ears.
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Here...for the exceptionally thick...here is some real science, physics, and good old-fashioned logic!!! Stick this in your globe and smoke it!
I will attach a picture even for more clarity.
https://i.stack.imgur.com/ge9sN.png
Now, these are the terms we will use (listed/outlined on the diagram) so as to completely comply with "known sciences of air flight" and the terminology actually used by pilots all over the earth, so you cannot say I am saying something/referencing something incorrectly.
Now when you take off in an aircraft from the flat level ground, and you want to gain altitude after becoming airborne, you have absolutely no other option but to adjust the "pitch" of the craft so as to point the nose of the craft at an angle to whatever desired degree/angle/speed you wish until the craft reached whatever desired altitude ( altitude representing the distance measured from the craft to the flat, level, ground in whatever measured unbit you use/speak in) to achieve this result...physics mandates it.
Now when you reach said altitude, you will have to readjust the pitch of the plane to bring the fuselage to a level orientation (would be measured at 0 degrees pitch or completely level in relation to the flat surface of the earth...following me? Don't say no or you have got to be extremely stupid...)
Now once you are flying along at the desired altitude, and your craft has leveled off and is now maintaining altitude only..as in NOT climbing/gaining altitude, OR descending/losing altitude...you cannot maintain 0 degrees pitch in cruising altitude flight and stay at that same altitude continuously, and the altitude makes no difference whether 10,000 ft or 10 ft.
So as the supposedly "known/measured/calculatable curvature" of a global earth model would mandate according to..."science"...the continually curving earth surface would soon start to descend/drop/curve downward before you and quite noticeably (as the curve calculates to something like 8" per mile of drop over distance in any direction on a ball/sphere) in your direction of flight no matter where on earth you flew.
You would reach a point where you were slowly gaining altitude and thus "climbing out of the atmosphere and proceeding into space" as a result of the ground "falling away" in angle before your direction of flight.
Physics mandates without argument that as that occurred you would be forced to adjust the pitch of the craft at a downward attitude (point the nose down or descend/lose altitude to maintain 10k ft or whatever altitude you flew) or you would WIND UP LEAVING THE EARTH AND ENTERING THE OUTER ATMOSPHERE SLOWLY ASCENDING CONTINUALLY UPWARD INTO SPACE.
You absolutely cannot circumvent a sphere or globe of any size in any direction whatsoever in any type of aircraft without using a curved flight path in relation to maintaining a constant altitude over thousands of linear miles in distance as you traverse the surface of the earth.
Now, where is that wrong? How does that inarguable representation of physics in play make me the idiot and you smart?
Now you look stupid believing in a globe when you really think about it don't you? Welcome to reality!!!!
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@Matuse
SLOWLY READ THIS WHOLE THING BEFORE ANSWERING AGAIN, YOU ARENT EVEN ON TOPIC MAN! THE CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT FLIGHT PATHS AND NOT GRAVITY...AT ALL, EVER, NOT ONCE, YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO "MAKE IT" AN ARGUMENT ABOUT GRAVITY!!! WE HAVE IT, IT IS HERE, WE AAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL KNOW THAT!!!!!
NO ONE IS SAYING WE DON'T!
I ABSOLUTELY NEVER SAID WE DO NOT! SO READ SLOWLY, VERY, VERY, SLOWLY, GOOGLE WORDS THAT GO OVER YOUR HEAD IF NEED BE BUT THIS TIME TAKE IN THE WHOLE CONVERSATION BEFORE FLYING ACROSS THE KEYBOARD ONE SENTENCE INTO IT/TAKING PART OUT OF CONTEXT AND SEE EXACTLY HOW ~STUPID~ YOUR ANSWER LOOKED SAYING THAT IN REPLY TO MY QUESTION WHICH WAS NEVER AT ALL ARGUING PRO/CON GRAVITY!!!!!!!!!!!!
READ SLOWLY. THIS TIME, UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT ENTIRELY THERE MR. HALF COCKED! USE A DICTIONARY, CONSULT A FRIEND AND GET BACK TO ME...WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO TO COMPREHEND THIS DEBATE BUT TALK ABOUT ONLY WHAT I AM ASKING...NOT WHAT YOU "THINK" I AM SAYING
You guys really struggle with reading comprehension man...it's like never-ending with you all... My personal favorites are the ones that spend two days telling me "what they think " to in a very pissy statement close the conversation with "Well I don't care what you think..."
I once again repeat the very same question you yourself can go back and read it, it is ALL over paragraph after many, many paragraphs here...I am not gonna dig it out to compensate for you guys flying right over it and missing it continually will repeat the question, then the applied logic used to resolve the problem, and then back off again and let you stick both feet in your mouth yourself...you all are the best and easiest to do this too!
The question was...DOES ANYONE KNOW A PILOT? IF YOU DO ASK THEM WHAT THE KNOWN ANGLE OF PITCH IS THAT AN AIRCRAFT MUST MAINTAIN TO FOLLOW THE CURVATURE OF THE GLOBE AND THUS MAINTAIN A CONSTANT ELEVATION ON A TRANSATLANTIC FLIGHT. Never was any different, over and over I even repeated this.
Now here is the logic I repeatedly try to get you all to apply, failing miserably but still I tired ONLY THIS!
DRAW A CIRCLE ON A PIECE OF PAPER, AND NEXT TO THAT DRAW A STRAIGHT LINE, NOW IN ANY ORIENTATION, YOU WISH...HOW LONG CAN YOU MAKE THE TWO, A CURVED LINE AND A STRAIGHT LINE RUN PARALLEL TO ONE ANOTHER.
A flight path at zero degrees pitch will eventually fly off the earth...even with gravity functioning perfectly. At no instance no matter how hard you all try to "warp" physics to make it fit in your head...curved lines can never make a corner navigatable.
For an experiment you can easily do if you have a car is this...try all you want to, but you will never turn a car through a corner in a straight line.
You're on! take it away!!!!
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@milkmankarlson3043
A "religion" is a belief system based on faith. To have faith in something you must believe it to be true beyond any hope of swaying your convictions even unto the face of death and you must show your conviction by remaining true in the face of opposition propoganda, based on...only the faith and no physical proof that is indisputable and clearly proves it to be the truth.
Everyone who says they believe science argues against religion standing on that it bears no proof beyond books stating it is so carried by many people who faithfully follow that relgion.
EVERYTHING in modern science is theoretical. Do not take anyone's word for it...go spend a few minutes looking something up for yourself and see it with your own eyes or you won't believe it.
Atoms, Gravity, Heliocentrism, Germ, Virus, Quantum, etc., ALL these still are only theories. If they were ever once "proven" they would be labeled like "The Law of Evolution" in literature and it is forever called and will be forever called a "theory" as it has never revealed solid evidence to back it and must be accepted on persuasive talks and speculation alone.
Now please explain how religion and theoretical science are NOT the same things? BOTH require your blind acceptance without question, based only on other people convincing you it is true, but never being able to prove it to you beyond a doubt.
Question everything...ALL of it...
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@milkmankarlson3043 Never mind...
That also is proovably not true... And had been done so decades before I ever even became involved in the discussions about it. You can't just shoot from the hip like that on things you remember from public school that information was horrifically outdated when you read it out of a textbook and that's also provably true.
If you spent one hour in true genuine research with the angle of an investigative reporter trying to discover it and the answer with a non-biased beginning... you'd blow your own mind with what you find. All you're really actually doing right now in real time is repeating things that other people told you sometime back in your history and you really actually have no genuine current up-to-date and thus up to speed information to use in an exchange like this. The things that a teacher dictated to you out of a textbook in a public school system was at the very least 15 years old when you read it. You can't even get an idea, go through the years of rigors it takes to get it verified as fact in the real legitimate scientific community, begin to allow professors to start instructing on that proven science and begin writing new textbooks about it, get them distributed throughout the nation, update all the public school teachers on the new information available, and get it funneled into your head in less than about 15 or 20 years. The stuff you were educated with is verifiably outdated by decades. Real research is going to give you some real information parroting things people told you is not intelligence and is definitely not thinking even remotely.
You all put up these staunch fronts of refusal to even listen to an alternative explanation because of the broken record reply of the proof at hand and my lack of proof. The real and true definition of that statement in layman's terms is more like...
"Look it's what everybody else has always believed, my parents believed it, my friends believe it, and it's what they taught me in school so it must be true. Has anyone ever actually shown me any proof of what they taught me? Does any actual genuine scientific observation conducted in my lessons for this instruction? Or was I just shown a bunch of pictures, artist renditions, pretty cool CGI, and a whole lot of words written in text in an ocean of books and I believe that on that with faith alone?
Really think about what you're standing on as truth and reality... has anyone ever really honestly shown you anything that proved to you all of this you believe? Or are you just following the traditional social norms without questioning anything?
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@yurii6080 Actually...use something that isn't theory. All I see is the repeating of scientific theory, from so-called “theoretical scientists” (Einstien was the most popular) Theory of “relativity, “evolution”, on and on...the world seems to have been taken by storm from “consensus science (fake, just what a group of folks “agree” on, not proven, just agreed upon) and completely tosed the REAL SCIENCES or “empirical sciences” to the sidelines. And not ao soul doing so has done anything to lift a finger to find out anything they claim is “proof”...they just keep repeating what others aid...like a flock of seagulls! Get your own voice, think, apply logic, or poke out your eyes, remove your legs, and sit in a chair for the rest of your life taking in a 24-7 audio feed of “what the news tells me”...and you will find solace. You did nothing more than repeating something someone else said...I am in no rush to be spoon-fed what someone wants me to think, I have enough balls to question things. The ones overtook with fear of being “unlike everyone around them” just fall into the same parroting...so they fit in with the flock and don't stand out...like seagulls squawking. Bet you firmly believe in vaccinations too don't you? Cause television says so ..you believe it too! I'd bet you do indeed... don't you?
I think on my own, you rely on others to tell you what your thoughts should be to fit the public norm...that is sad.
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