Comments by "TheEvertw" (@TheEvertw) on "" video.

  1. For those worrying that contact with salt water will destroy these pipes immediately, I just read part of the NordStream "description of project" (part 3), which details the commissioning procedure. As part of it, these pipes have been flooded with salt water, pressure-tested, emptied and dried. So they are designed to withstand a certain amount of contact with salt water without damage, and there likely will be time to repair them.
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  2. After installation they have been pressure-tested with salt water, so they have been designed to withstand salt water, at least temporarily. There will be time to repair them. (source: NordStream Description of Project, part 3).
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  3. ​ @DrBernon  Don't be such a drama queen! These pipes were pressure-tested with salt water after installation, so a). they can withstand salt water, at least temporarily, and b). procedures and equipment are available to purge and dry them.
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  4. It is part of commissioning to fill these pipes with salt water to pressure-test them. So they can at least temporarily withstand salt water, and systems are in place to drain clean and dry them. Don't trust Aljazera too much.
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  5. As part of the commissioning procedure, these pipes have already been flooded with salt water. In order to proof the pipes, after installation they were willed with salt water, pressure applied to test the joints, and afterwards they were emptied and dried. So these report that they are immediately wasted is absolute nonsense. There will be time to repair them.
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  6.  @paxundpeace9970  These pipes were flooded for many days with salt water as part of their commissioning, and more than likely periodically after that, so "short amount of time" is not that short.
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  7. ​ @owenoceillaigh5899  I don't know who said that and why. May well be some government spokesperson doing politics. May even be a Putin plant helping Putin deal with pressure from Russian oligarchs who want the war to stop in order to sell more gas. First the surroundings need to be safe (no more gas venting), then the sites need inspection, then industry will be consulted, insurance companies will do their thing, then we can say things like this with some certainty.
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  8. While extremely unlikely, it might have been possible for a single pipe line to burst in that way. But all four? Absolutely no way.
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  9. These pipes are certified by pressure-testing them. The procedure is simple: fill them with salt water, apply a proof pressure significantly above operating pressure, empty, clean and dry, then resume operation. This procedure will in all likelihood be repeated periodically as part of normal operation. They use water instead of gas because that is much safer. This is done with all pipe lines & other pressurized installations, since the age of steam.
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  10. There is time to repair them, these pipes are built to withstand salt water for some time. Flooding them with salt water is part of the procedure to pressure-test them, which was done during commissioning but is presumably repeated periodically for re-certification.
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  11. They already had that customer. Also, these pipes can likely be repaired (depending on e.g. Russian co-operation).
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  12. ​ @owenoceillaigh5899  I said what I said pretty confidently, because I have read how these pipes were built. They have been subjected to salt water for many days as part of commissioning, and likely periodically afterwards, so salt water can't be that bad for them.
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  13. Excellent analysis.
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  14. What, and trigger the wrath of both NATO, the EU and Russia? No-one is that suicidal.
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  15.  @ThatGuy-bz2in  Russia delenda est.
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  16. There will be time to repair them. These pipes are 40mm thick, giving plenty of margin. As part of commissioning these pipes have already been flooded with salt water, to pressure-test them. Considering the length of pipe involved, that procedure would take a week or more to complete. Even with an open end, it is expected to take a week just for the gas to flow out. And I expect that this procedure is repeated periodically to ensure the pipe stays safe. So, these pipes are no strangers to salt water, inside and out.
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  17. The truth always comes out with things like this. If a NATO member were responsible, that would be the acute end of the career of all people responsible, including the PM who signed off on it, and perhaps even prison sentences. That is why this is highly, highly unlikely. EU stakeholders lost big money by this attack, they will prosecute those responsible when the truth comes out. The USA already made sure NordStream would stop, using political pressure and by providing alternative gas. No need to physically destroy it.
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  18. No it is not. Any examples? Thought not.
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  19. And incur the wrath of NATO, the EU and Russia at the same time? No-one is that suicidal.
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  20.  @lake5044  That bit of sea if pretty closely monitered. My bet is that at least the Danes know exactly which vessel is responsible, if any (it could have been Russia putting explosives inside the pipe). If this was a non-state actor, they can run but they can't hide.
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  21.  @HyperScorpio8688  You do realize that these pipes have already been flooded with salt water as part of commissioning & pressure testing? (source: NordStream Description of Project, part 3)
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  22. Yeah. The bloody nose it would give them is absolutely not worth it, so forget about that theory.
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  23. Brexit has affected their ability to handle engineering units...
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  24. It doesn't make sense to hurt German interests, as well a those of the other EU Nordstream stakeholders. Also, this is not the right time to do it. Nordstream was not being used anyway, the EU had decided to stop using it. So, Ukraine would gain nothing and endanger the support of NATO by doing this. They would be crazy to do it.
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  25. Germany? No way. It would come out and be the political death of the people involved. Ukraine? Also no way. The Danes already know exactly who did it. If it were the Ukrainians, they would lose NATO and EU support in a heartbeat. Far too risky for them. They have enough on their hands already, and need all the support they can get.
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  26. ​ @nonzensy1554  Those pipelines were already out of commission, and Germany already has enough gas to last them through the winter. The USA gains nothing through their destruction.
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  27. So instead they force the EU to suffer? Think that will strengthen the US-EU relationship? The US is not that stupid.
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  28.  @zetaconvex1987  I would expect these pigs to know pretty accurately where they are, and have comms to the end of the pipe. As the pipes were unused, and there was no gas flow, the pig would have to be powered and mobile to get there, which is no big deal. Heck, I expect they can send ulta-sonic units through those pipes to look for damage or cracks.
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  29. Sure, mate. This is not the USA where infrastructure is left to rot. Those pipes have considerable margins. And even then, the chances of all 4 blowing at (nearly) the same time yet many miles apart are zero. This can only have been done through sabotage.
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  30. Where have you been, boomer?
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  31.  @pinxvol3898  You think the EU is going to make a deal with Russia in the near future? Think again. We trusted Putin to our detriment, we will not put ourselves in that position again. Even if Putin were removed, we would not trust his successor for a very long time to come.
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  32. Don't worry. These pipes were flooded with salt water already as part of commissioning. Procedures and equipment exist for emptying, cleaning and drying them.
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  33. You really think the USA would endanger relations with Europe when the pipes were already effectively decomissioned?
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  34. These are empty threats. Putin knows the power of NATO, and greatly fears it. If NATO wanted to, we could kick the Russians out of Ukraine in a week. He also knows that from now on, there will be constant patrolling of the relevant area's. If he attacks them, those responsible will be found and captured or destroyed, be they surface, air or submarine units, and NATO might well decide it is time to get this war over with. That is why Putin attacked the Nordstream pipes: that would not be a direct attack on NATO infrastructure. And it is also proof that no-one but Russia could have done it: no-one is wanting this to escalate further by provoking Russia. You can be absolutely certain that there are currently some strong-worded messages spelling out hell and fury in case of further provocations landing on the desks of Russian ambassadors.
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  35.  @ChiliM4n  You think they still fly? Have you seen the rifles they are currently giving to new recruits?
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  36. Putin likes to think he can play 4-D chess. His leverage over Germany is non-existent, he already found that out. Germany has enough gas to last them through the winter. He wants to create fear and chaos, and this has certainly done that. Cutting the fourth pipe is him saying "see, I did it again, with you on full alert". Pretty childish, really. Anyway, I am sure the adults have already sent clear-worded messages warning him of dire consequences should he try to hurt someone else's toys (i.e. that new norway-germany pipe line).
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  37. ​ @paul1979uk2000  That bit of sea is pretty closely monitored by some of the best navy's & air forces in the world. They probably already know exactly which vessel was responsible, and to what country it belongs, but keep it under wraps to avoid political escalation (you know, media clamouring for revenge and so on). Basically, it would be suicidal for any third party to do this. They would incur the wrath of NATO, the EU and Russia at the same time. That is why this can only have been done by Russia.
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  38.  @TheTotalripoff  NATO also wouldn't go to war with Russia over this. If it were a pipeline that was actually being used, it would.
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  39. You think Poland wants to anger Germany, Denmark and Russia? No, not a good plan. Poland needs the goodwill of the rest of the EU too badly.
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  40. NOT against its allies.
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  41. Ukraine will do absolutely nothing to threaten its support by the EU & NATO. They wouldn't dare do a thing like this.
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