Comments by "TheEvertw" (@TheEvertw) on "Metatron"
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I do not agree with Twain here.
Putting a stupid person in his/her place will not mend the stupidity of that person, but will show any onlookers who is stupid and who is right, if you do it properly.
Currently, we allow far too many to dismiss Science just because it does not suit them. The consequences so far have been no less than disastrous in the USA and the UK (Brexit, anti-vax, Covid response), and if the climate change deniers are continued to be given a platform, the whole world.
Just to look at Brexit: those advocating it dismissed the warnings from EVERY economic expert by saying "England has had enough of experts". They got away with it, and now GB is experiencing the greatest self-inflicted economic disaster since Stalin decided the Ukraine should Industrialize.
So instead of ignoring the stupid, we need to learn how to properly discredit them, and make them look like the fools they are.
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@mra5975 Lovely words. But all the experts strongly contradict you.
If Brexit were about the things you say, they should have been honest about it, and honest about the consequences. They weren't, and you aren't either. Brexit promised green uplands, extra money for the NHS, better trade deals, no barriers to trade with the EU, etc, etc. NONE of those promises have been fulfilled, nor will they. In most cases, Brexit delivered the exact opposite of what was promised.
And now you and others are trying to gaslight the people claiming that those promises were not made, and that Brexit was about other things.
All I say is: LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE.
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You are very right in pointing out where the film got the anti-Catholic actions by Blackthorne wrong. But there definitely would have been enmity between the Jesuits and Blackthorne, for three reasons: 1). Blackthorne / Adams came from the Netherlands which was actively fighting a war of liberation, mainly to regain the freedom of religion. 2). The VOC was part of this war, attacking the Catholic empire and building the Dutch empire. The Jesuits were there to gain Japan for their empire, Blackthorne for his. Blackthorne's captain would more than likely have carried letters of mark, authorizing him to attack Spanish & Portuguese outposts and ships. 3). the Catholics actively persecuted and murdered Protestants all over the world at the time, so Blackthorne had to fear for his own safety. And more than likely, Blackthorne / Adams wouldn't mind to do a bit of his own proselytizing, at least in the beginning.
So, their (adoptive) nations, their employers and them personally were in a state of open war against each other, and both were trying to gain support for their respective religions. No, their interactions would not have been friendly. In the book, one Jesuit seems friendly towards Blackthorne (i.e. not intent on burning him on the stake), but Blackthorne does not trust him and remains antagonistic. Other Jesuits he meets do want to have him killed, but the Japanese protect him. So Blackthorne has good reason to be hostile towards the Jesuits.
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About the number of cannons: The VOC ships were first and foremost cargo vessels, they were not naval ships. Mary-Rose was a naval Ship of the Line, a different class of ship. Superficially, cargo and military vessels were similar, but on closer inspection the cargo ships had different lines increasing their holds, and military ships were more built for speed and coping with a lot of mass relatively high in the ship (cannon had to be above the water line).
The slightly later (1628) Batavia carried 32 cannon of various types, with 24 being cast iron, 6 cast bronze, and 2 "composite". For the bigger cannon lower in the ship, cast iron would have been the preferred metal (cheap). The Dutch had been at war for some 30 years by the time, and cost mattered.
I have seen quite a few cannon of the period (they are still littered around the country), and NEVER have a seen a highly decorated piece like the one shown in the movie clip. That, as you say, looks like a renaissance cannon from the 15th century. An actual early 17 century Dutch bronze cannon looks like this: https://www.levedevestingbrielle.nl/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/aus-6.jpg. Very boring, straight-forward and functional.
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