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Comments by "Be Low Below" (@toyotaprius79) on "Carbuyer" channel.
In theory, the Outlander PHEV gets its 156 mpg figure since, what kind of test would it be if one of your tanks were empty? If you're too lazy or too busy (a car reviewers are) to plug it in, then car reviews like these will never represent the true economy these cars deliver. Most owners of company cars, doing +20,000 miles per year would gladly tell that their 2000kg SUV on average does over 80 mpg. Because they charge it at home at the very least. More ordinary owners certainly achieve over 120 mpg. Even if the reviewer had no real time to just live with the car - at least why didn't he demonstrate what it's like to charge at a rapid station? ~30 mpg is woeful, and only achievable when that poor, little 2.0l petrol has to work alone.
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2.6 miles/kWh... How was THAT possible? You may say that's the range you've got and it shows, but to do that would require blasting the heat at 30C and hammer on the brakes and accelerator constantly. A little thing like that cannot be that bad on consumption, not when driving safely in the real world.
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It's like being thrown back four years listening to this, isn't it?
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I hope you charged the battery fully, Mat. It has a small battery and would be depleated by the time you got to the country side. There's no point in doing an economy test while excluding any charge for the cells. At 3:17, it shows that it did 40mpg with 2 miles of range left. Also, having a sufficient charge is also necessary to get full and proper performance from the i8. Without any proof that its mileage run included or did not include a full charge, it's in no way fair to say that 40mpg is its real world mileage.
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WTH? Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV?
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Really impressed how the Clio looks. It's a perfect example of Renault's new radical design signature. The wheels on it I'm dumbfounded by. Just seems too bland, completely stands out from the rest of the car. Can't wait for the Zoe review.
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46mpg means you didn't charge it - again!
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Colin Hill, because denial. Test drive one for a bit, and you'll see why.
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+Blaze 125 (blaz3r125) The problem is the NEDC cycle which is far too optimistic. The same one that says the Kia Picanto 1.2 diesel or Citroen C3 Cactus diesel will get over 90 mpg... The NEDC was only relevant when the average car did 0-60 mpg in 15 seconds (now it's 9 sec) which the test unrealistically operates below speed limits like a pensioner. Plug in hybrids definitely represent the extreme of "your mileage may vary". There are owners who get well into 120 mpg as they charge their car every night like it was intended to be used for. Their are several owners on YouTube who share what it's like to own a Nissan Leaf, Chevy Volt, Tesla Model S, BMW i3 and Outlander PHEV. A few of them who drive them as company cars (+20,000 miles a year) who report getting over 80 mpg because they take advantage of the rapid chargers that are installed on every service & rest station on the UK's motorways.
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Stephen Grant-Davies That would be bad if you had to buy petrol despite having an electric car.
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Jake. Nonsense, man! Does your petrol car gets a top up to full before every morning? Because diverting your emergency drive to the airport to top up isn't a hassle. Or your commute to work in rush hour just so you can practically cheat death and not break down in grid lock.
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She's not telling facts DaniiCEO Those are the same kinds of scepticism we saw when the LEAF came out in 2011. There are some 4 year old electric cars for second hand in Ireland and the UK with more than 90% in them thanks to our non-extreme temperate climate. We can't believe every review we see. While depreciation has been horrible (for the owners) for the last 3-4 years, the very same happened to hybrids like the Prius because no one knew how it would last. Yet when the first Praises got their MOT and their next, they were seen as reliable and their depreciation is now rock solid, similar to a Golf. The same will happen to electric cars. They're impeccably reliable and the earliest owners have just brought them through their first MOT.
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+g00dfeeling Soon. We'll see something like the C6 soon. I just wish that citroe- DS would engineer a hydro-pneumatic suspension for their range. The DS5 at least. In the Citroen C5, it performs perfectly for comfort and levelness. It seems like a betrayal in either the DS' or Citroen's name to sacrifice comfort over "handling". Not if more there was a soft suspension on offer. Anyway, I have been in a Citroen DS4 on a trip in Belgium. The back was hurtful. My Prius is far larger in the back - and front. The boot was square - which helped, and that's all that had going for it. The seats were very nice though and in no way did the feeling of quality was ruined in the DS4. The AC and heater were powerful. And I would understand for some that for some people like me, the back was a cocoon of darkness. I prefer the cathedral or greenhouse impression. But for other people, that's just what they want. They want to be surrounded by dark plastic and leather. So they can see their phones without glare. Given how bold Citroen was in introducing the DS sub-brand with the DS3 first in the glut of the economic crisis, fair play to them in selling more than a few several hundred thousand of these examples.
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3 of the cars are the exact same. Pretty bullshit, lazy in fact. More cars could've been included.
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@anthonyenglish9298 he rarely does (when it's not some +600hp boy's toy). He was the charismatic eye candy. Definitely not like that guy at Kelley Blue Book 🤷
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It depends very much on the battery state of charge. The best way to drive any Toyota hybrid, such as the Prius, is not to stamp on the throttle but to press and dig in more and more. That way it feels like a big engine under medium load. There are over 20 "modes" that a hybrid synergy drive engine/computer can operate under. The entire hybrid's drivetrain response will give much more of a refined shove sensation building up speed rather than the cvt-scream of a pedal to the metal approach.
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This is genuinely a pretty good and informative. The big plus for me is Ginny, previously (like 3 or 4 years ago) she would've been among the least understanding or appreciative of EVs which made her look pretty biased like in the e-UP!. And I was worried for this, but seeing now it's a very no-nonsense and objective review. I'll love to see more reviews from Ginny!
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Citroën FTW!!!
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No way. It's some of the more obvious lies in this review. Doubts are not estimates or facts. She said herself that the battery has an 8 year useable battery life warranty. That's applicable if the battery dips below 80% capacity within the warranty. "Doubts' or more likely sneering comments about battery life should be seen as false. The first electric cars in Ireland and the UK have been here for 4 years now. With our temperate climate, most LEAFs mainly still roughly have 95% in them. It should also be said that the decrease in battery capacity isn't linear, with the most loss occurring in the first 3 years.
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+Cv02 The PHEV always held its own more stable and comfortable than the diesel version. The refreshed Outlander has improved in refinement, comfort and handling an the PHEV reflects that too. Albeit, Carbuyer may have not had the time to test it just yet. Still, who buys a car for handling (if that's what you mean by horrible) if the car is made and advertised and recommended for getting below 100g/km. Given that this is about cars that pollute less, it's a wonder why the PHEV wasn't mentioned. I know one PHEV driver who puts no effort into driving economically at all and she got over 80 mpg in 6 months of driving. Given that most of these diesels would be lucky to get 40 mpg (and well over 100g/km) driving through town at rush hour, I wouldn't mind getting at least twice that, even if it didn't feel sporty at an average of 5 mph.
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*NOT a CVT
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It's overpriced end of discussion. That's the Executives you'd want to watch out for.
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same as a Prius, whodathunkit?
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It's really nice to see electric cars finally being taken seriously and understood by car journalists. It only taken, what, around 7 years?
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Absolutely stupid that there isn't a hybrid version of the Aygo
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Why grumble when it doesn't cost you an arm and a leg like some European and American engines?
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I forgot, a 3-pin charger in a wall socket is slow, it's an emergency or "opportunity" plug and is easy to unplug, most drivers don't use it. Still, if anyone out there still thinks it's funny to cut the charger cable. Firstly, if the car is charging at 220V 16A or 30A, it's not a safe thing to cut into, so is the emergency 220V 10A. If it's not being used and retards come along and damage the charging station, then they're literally vandalising public or even private property, it's illegal.
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Like music to my ears
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Just fyi, the Model 3 was the 5th most sold sedan last year. And they're now building a Shanghai factory. They're coming...
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Stephen Grant-Davies There's enough. The UK and Ireland has roughly the same amount of kWh/m2/day as Germany receives. Germany isn't too sunny either but it managed to make extreme progress with solar power. There's no point moaning about the weather. www.kingspansolar.ie/solarenergy.aspx
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That's fairly shitty of you...
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Citroen has always been different for generations. It's no surprise that they made the DS range..
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It's for 1 to 3 years actually. Usually, that covers yearly battery maintenance and the price of the full battery. If you think that the battery will fail after 2 or 10 years, no matter how unproven, Renault will be responsible for the battery. Though they specifically say that it's to calm drivers about battery aging. 70 a month for peace of mind does sound pricy. After the 1-3 year lease is up, you can opt for it again. Though, no one knows the price of a second lease as that's yet to happen.
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It's not just that. The review reveals a lot of its flaws the more you get used to the behavior of plug-ins.
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I'd really like to hear why would think so.
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Over-reactive much? I think 20 years of evidence begs to differ. If you don't like the real world as it it, turn off your computer.
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Which is as good as the best in a crash. Only a car with ESC can receive a full 5 star Euro n Cap rating.
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Stop. The video didn't mention the cost of the car which is in the £15000 area after Govt reductions. £3 per charge would be off high rates. The only time to charge it would be at night where the cost would be half. The rent is a battery insurance. £70 a month is relatively cheap, more importantly it's a fixed sum which is good for company ownership and a bonus as petrol's always on the rise. The biggest advantage would be that the Zoe would be exempt from the London congestion charge, forever.
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That's the diesel and petrol versions you're thinking of. This electric one is the same pig shit but longer and cheaper to run.
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The price is more important and that's left out! Anyway the Zoe has a special 3-43kW AC charge. It depends on the power offered by the socket. A 3-pin 240V 13A can charge it in 6-7 hours. In the UK, home chargers are freely provided by British Gas so a 240V 16A would charge in under 6 hours, or optionally a 240V 32A would charge the Zoe in under 3 hours. Mind you, the 0-80% charge time is very quick as the last 20% takes a while. The Zoe can charge in 30 minutes but it doesn't use the CHAdeMO.
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A theory, and a true one. If numbers that shows the increase of atmospheric temperature rising dramatically after the 60s or the ever increasing amounts of records in weather are not good enough for you, then take a look at NASA's pictures or Greenland and Antarctica, where Ice sheets are continually to melt faster and are not recovering. I have no idea how you still think climate change is false or wasn't caused by humans. We're not living 15 years ago! It's been proven, get over it!
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The Citroën e-Spacetourer comes with 9 seats at a cheaper cost. This 60 grand BUZZ only comes with 5 seats.
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Well, gravity was thought to be a a theory? If WikiPedia or Yahoo Answers are not good enough for you, look at climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ Please, stop disturbing me. It's there and it's very evident that CO2 and N2O and others do trap heat and have been pumped in tonnes into the atmosphere because of us. Seriously, didn't you did science in school? I'm not going to waste my time with you showing what is actually happening in the world while you're capable enough to look it up for yourself!
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Yes there were ice ages, there was actually a Medieval warm age, and by the mid to late 16th century, there were cold decades. This was during a time when the River Thames used to freeze up and when Ireland had a minor famine in 1740 and 41. These ancient climates were recorded through tree rings, pollen from soil, mud river beds and so on. We should be in a cold age but the Industrial Revolution from the past 250 - 300 years, we have cut 60% of forests down and made too much greenhouse gases.
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You can lock the plug, just as you'd lock the doors of your car.
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And the Aygo is petrol only, which is borderline unacceptable
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@Createris btw, stop whining! 80 miles is a bit of a long distance, considering that most commuting people in the UK and Ireland don't travel more that 40miles per day. The same story with the US. The problem you should worry about is that a faster 6.6kw charger wasn't built in, or a fast charger either.
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Every where yes, but rare in pure form. Even if the sun is made of hydrogen and helium, would there be an attempt to extract hydrogen from the sun? Sounds ludicrous. BTW, most hydrogen today is refined from Natural gas or Crude Oil where electricity is needed. Even if splitting water with renewable sources is done to get the hydrogen, electricity is used in the process instead of being use to charge the car. There's a 'middle man' journey similar to petrol that makes Hydrogen inefficient.
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Before anyone starts to fucking lose it about the 'lack of windows' as trolls usually do, simply look at this. /watch?v=ONY0paU6WZc
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It's annoying. There's the Renault 45, with the motor limited to 4 hp that goes up to speeds of 45km/h or 28mph, that version does allow a 16 year old to drive it with a motorcycle licence, but then it's like driving a moped with 470kg. I'm not sure if Renault will remove the limiter when the driver becomes 18 but I'm sure they're bound to, since the price difference between the normal and 45 twizy is absent.
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Few are around. Bus Eireann has converted on of their buses recently. LPG cars like Honda's Civic aren't available here. The Calor gas tanks which are around 30 liters cost between €30 - €50, the price jumps during the Winter. Considering than now, petrol prices are over €1.60/l, you'd just be saving more than 60cents per liter. I'm not entirely sure why people aren't converting, but the same reason why most don't convert their cars to EVs or Bio Fuels, it can void warranties and rise insurance.
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No, don't be daft! It's 50 quid rent for each month for 4 years. The cost of running is stupidly low. The Twizy has a 6.1kW/h battery, if you were in the UK, charging at night would be £0.10/kW, so £0.61 for 50 miles. For me in Ireland with €0.08/kW, it would cost less than 50 cents for the same distance. You'll be paying around €800 until the battery fee is paid for per year, by then, running costs will be less than €200 per year. By then with soaring fuel costs, the savings will be greater!
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People would take you seriously if you didn't quote TopGear. It's one of my favourite shows, but it's sad to see that people take it seriously and then spur it randomly on the internet. Anyway, all electric cars today are using Lithium-Ion batteries. Brush up on your research, kid.
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That charger is a Type 2 charger. Recently in the UK, they're free, supplied by British Gas. That 3-pin would charge the Leaf in 12 - 13 hours, a Type 2 would charge the old Leaf from 0% in 7 hours, or the new one in less than 4 hours. There are much more rapid chargers now and it's been proven many times that long trips can be done by rapid charging, there's just more planning involved. Go on google, there are maps of public charging stations all over the UK. It's more than what most expect.
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I mean by locking the plug that connects with the car, not the socket. Most outdoor sockets would be an actual charging station where the lead is already attached to, or there are outdoor sockets with plastic flaps and covers that can be locked. It's not common at all to see a typical socket you'd find inside outside on the wall of your house or on the street.
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Sounds an interesting alternative, but will the LPG tanks last as long or longer than a tank full f petrol or diesel? Like most conversions if it's an old Merc running on electricity or chip oil, I find these conversions exciting and beneficial. I'm sure the only reason why few Irish drivers convert their cars would be the extra cost of doing so, the higher cost by letting the garage mechanic do it, or the fearing of fucking up everything and ending up without a working car. Third's my reason.
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It's not likely they'd be laughing afterwards.
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(2/2) Don't listen to the TopGear dribble. It's a verry funny entertainment show, but not to be taken seriously.
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Of coarse not, they're already here!
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@Gibson299 The Volt as a 1.4l 4 cylinder engine. That it alone can power the car and the engine will do 30-35mpg. It would be much better with a small 1.0l three pot. Besides that LEAF has almost 3x times the EV range as the Volt so you WILL have to charge MORE and pay for petrol as well.
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@Createris No nanos, too expensive! There's a company in the US funded by GM that have already gotten betteries to be 400w/kg than the usual 140w/kg for a much lower price. This is done by replacing the graphite as an conductor (I think) in a battery with silicon. Batteries are advancing far quicker than you think.
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They didn't mention it in the video, but Nissan gives the LEAF's battery an 8 year warranty. That's the battery. The drivetrain warranty like the electric motor, AC/DC inverter, and so on have a 5 year warranty. Then the other warranty like if the door or body panel falls off is 3 years.
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You again. I recommend you to stick to watch and comment on the videos you like, instead of ranting nonsense on videos about the stuff you obviously don't like. You're still lurking around causing and attracting trouble particularly on videos about electric cars. If you don't like them, don't go near videos about them.
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Not all fuel tanks are the same size, the Volt's is 35l, in Europe, the average fuel tank capacity is around 60-70l.
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The fact that the ID BUZZ is targeting SUV buyers is the biggest compliment it can be given. But it's also a great shame. This might as well be a Mercedes. Chinese EVs are going to wreck and shake up western auto markets beyond recognition.
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