Comments by "Be Low Below" (@toyotaprius79) on "Auto Express"
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Jaye Oliver O'Farrell-Stevens Yeah, I don't think so. The advantages being able to fill up in 5 minutes? Compared for an EV, where a quick charge is usually less than 20 minutes, a coffee break basically, and its infrastructure becoming widespread, unfortunately going unnoticed. Why is everyone so impatient.
There are so many wishers for Hydrogen, the biggest ones being the suppliers of Hydrogen, like Shell, that's not exactly progress now is it?
An honest engineer without a bias would question hydrogen at his moment. An engineer would be interested in optimising efficiency.
Hydrogen is vastly inefficient compared to just plugging in from the wall. Refining Hydrogen from hydrocarbons (steaming natural gas or through a reformer) is honestly the most effective way of extraction for mass production. Hydrogen must be pressurised quite a lot at 70MPa into the car, but also a to more at the tank in the fuelling station, that's costs a lot of electricity. At the end, you'll then have to convert the Hydrogen back into electricity through the fuel cell that operates at 40-50% efficiency, much higher than a diesel's best example of 30%, but not as much as a battery electric car's of 85 - 95%.
All of this, and the 2 year old guess for $50,000, because no one can wait 15 minute Rapid Charge at a service station all along the UK's motorways (which is as long as filling up a car and questing in line to pay for it), or a 2 hour charge every night which happens to be the average for an EV?
Is everyone that impatient, or does everyone still shake their heads stubbornly and refuse to attempt to understand electric cars? Be honest please.
Yes, the idea of water out of the exhaust is very passionate and poetic, but is that the deciding factor? The idea of powering your own home which electric cars can already achieve in Japan?
I'm sorry, but this is what car makers do all the time. Hydrogen is honestly a PR tool for them, the idea of having Hydrogen cars limited in the hundreds of examples is great for stocks, that's it.
If anything, Hydrogen is best suited for sea vessels and locomotives if electrification isn't optional. It's a shame that no manufacturer has bothered to show interest in ships. Hydrogen is currently ready for cargo ships, but not for road vehicles, not when electrics and plug-in hybrids are just two years and already beginning their prime with established and growing markets and growing infrastructure.
I just see hydrogen as incredibly hype-driven but half hearted in the face of it all. If you have anything to object to, I'd be happy enough to answer it.
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***** Before I end it here. Great Job! Dehumanise me because of the username. I'm sorry, but I don't drive one at the moment. I like it, I like its iconic interior and exterior, I like how its drivetrain works. I like cars a lot and I like a lot of cars across the spectrum, odd or different cars especially. I'm a big enthusiast in EVs and classics. If you think you can use a name as a resource to denounce me and refer to me as "easily fooled", "deliberately slow", "Nazi", then how does that light reflect off you? That you spin off track from a debate and call names? So be it, be rude and ontop, foolish.
FCEVs are simply unviable globally due to an actual non-existent infrastructure that took several decades for petrol and diesel, of which was also expensive and I've recently learnt has not gained the backing of oil suppliers. There's the still high price for compact fuel cells at $1 per Watt. Toyota's, Honda's and Hyundai's concepts will only be compliance cars for California. I hope you know what compliance cars are in the first place and how the likes of Toyota and Honda have an opinion on them.
This is all PR for those three! I leave it here at that as you supposedly resigned from this previously. So sod off with you.
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Ahldor I've seen quite some stubbornness in my time but when I see someone calling others nerds behind bullies and insecure when things start to get repetitive. I emphasize.
Magic batteries? Bit desperate. What's he on about? I remember that batteries are reducing in price by 8% per year. That's why 2013 saw EV prices reduce on an average of 15%, that's why LEAF sales tripled in the US in 2013 and why Plug-In sales almost doubled in 2013 compared to 2012 and tripled in 2012 compared to 2011. Nissan will expect to sell at least 30,000 units of the LEAF in the US in 2014 now that lack of materials to build batteries have been solved to keep up with demand.
I've heard that Mitsubishi is doing well too, Outlander PHEV is suffering with excessive demand in Japan and Europe, thus US release is delayed and the 2014 i-MiEV is now one of the cheapest cars in the US. Then there's Tesla, they're always doing well. Then there's a couple of countries that have EVs as top sellers. Oh, I can name a lot more, but I haven't heard much news of Honda's CFX Clarity, oh, and that's been here for some time.
Ah, I think you should tell little him that Hydrogen cars will only be compliance cars for California so Toyota and Honda can still sell their ordinary cars. Just like the limited production RAV4 EV and Fit EV that Toyota and honda had to sell by law over 3 years. They will replace them with Hydrogen cars as they have to by law and of which will only put them on leases when RAV4 EV and Fit EV 3 year leases are expired in 2015.
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***** Haha. That was great, I could almost give that a thumbs up!
But speaking about hypocrisy, yeah... Remember how you disrespected my answers when you said that suddenly I'm "Driving a Prius only tells the rest of the forum that you are [I am] easily fooled" just because of the name of my account. That's definitely a tactic for alienation, denouncing and disrespecting my answer because you disagreed but didn't have a valid answer to disagree with.
Remember how you said that you weren't " conversing with you[me] in the first place" even though you responded to me, albeit a month ago. How about stop insulting at others, demonising others, while behaving like the victim. Your arguments were invalid and Ahldor will agree swimmingly too.
You've got no knowledge on EVs or what was happening over the past 5 years, thus it's understandable why you thought Hydrogen is superior. It's just ignorance, simple as. You said it was superior to EVs because you didn't know or type out one fact for EVs to compare what you knew about FCEVs. You just said in every argument, "No It's Not" without evidence. So without evidence, you just went if a huff calling others hypocritical, fanboy, Nazi, wimpy kid, child, slow, etc.
Perhaps, describing oneself a bit?
Well... Look at that
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