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Comments by "Biały" (@Bialy_1) on "M1916 Fedorov: Russia's First Assault Rifle?" video.
@BloPsyy "6.5 Arisaka was maybe designated as rifle cartridge, but it was no where near all other standard rifle cartridges at the time of WW1." One fact do not change the other fact... that is just your mental gymnastic to prove that you are not wrong and in the topic of logic your point is so weak that you were forced to use personal attack on Urst and anyone that was not fooled by your silly comment. And yes it is silly, with the same flawed type od logic i can claim that 6.5mm Arisaka is not a cartridge because some people nowdays use it as a paperweight.... 6.5mm Arisaka was smaller because avg Japanese soldier was significantly smaller than avg. European or American soldier. and btw. you can always use internet to google the topic you are planing to talk about: "Early intermediate cartridges to see service were the German 7.92×33mm Kurz used in the StG 44 and the .30 Carbine used in the American M2 select fire carbine during the late years and closing days of World War II." That is what we can read in article about intermediate cartridge... You can also easly find very extensive article on wikipedia about 6.5mm Arisaka and guess what? Word "intermediate" is not present in it even once! 6.5mm Arisaka: 2,666 J, 7.92×33mm Kurz: 1,886 J and 1,909 J, .30 Carbine: 1,311 J. So 6.5mm Arisaka is is literally twice as powerful as the cartridge that is credited as America's first intermediate cartridge. The only question is do you have the brain and back spine to finaly admit that you were wrong...
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In 1945 Bolsheviks were in charge and writing the truth was generaly unacceptable... The best example is the whole WW2 that was erased from Sowiet literature and replaces with Great Patriotic War to not mention that in 1939 and 1940 Soviet Union was fighting this war as German ally...
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@BloPsyy and btw. Russian army WW1 handgun=Nagant M1895->7.62×38mmR->340J you "forgot" to mention it as it was contradicting your point...
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@datonecommieirongear2020 As the eliminator of the Bolsheviks...
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@yzmey42113 USSR ended with Stalin, that murdered more people that Adolf... so how the hell from all of that you got idea that USSR won anything? This evil state colapsed on its own for a reason. And Russians did not learn anything from XX century. Someone babling here that Russia would be less monarchical... how delusional you need to be to not see that Putin is the new tsar, just like Stalin and Lenin. USSR was able to steal plenty of stuff from east and central Europe but country cant function like that and steal from its neighbours forever. To this day Russia have XIX century alike main roads. https://englishrussia.com/2006/09/21/russian-roads-4/ Only small part of Russia today do not look like 3rd world country and i am talking about places where there was no WW1 or WW2!!!
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@UselessZero "I've included the source of definition of Avtomat"=automatic=self loading weapon... and it is the equivalent of the english "mg". Weapon was designed to use 6.5mmx57mm cartridge and its more powerful than 6.5mmx50mm Arisaka... Also typical user of the word "avtomat" did not owned a car, was dreaming about owning a bike and got no idea what is the deffinition of for example "Carbine" as he was living in Communist countries and in this type of country normal people are not allowed to have private weapons for self deffence(against opresive government...), hunters in Siberia were the exception but they could not move to any city and protest or anything.
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@thundersoul6795 USA was doing more than fine during WW1... the only problem was the fact that soldiers came back from Europe with Spanish flu...
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Oryginal 6.5mmx57mm intended for it was more powerful than Japanese 6.5mm and Japanese 6.5mm is too powerful to be considered an AR/intermediate cartridge...
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@RussianThunderrr There is also this well known Lenin doctrine about lying to the public advised to his bolshevik commanders/officers that make all the claims invented by them invalid by default.
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@RussianThunderrr No, only by Russians that are trying to do an AR from this weapon. Russian handguns were nagans with 340J ammo and the rifle was using 3600J ammo. All the Japanese rifles used by Russians back then were not AR od considered a intermediate caliber because 2666J from 6.5 is to far awey from 340J of the Nagan revolver... Not to mention that Fedorov wanted to have 6.5x57mm in it not the weaker Japanese 6.5x50mm...
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1/3 more energy than 7.92mm Kurz and twice as much as the first American intermediate cartridge the .30 Carbine used in the American M2 select fire carbine during the late years and closing days of World War II... Also the oryginal 6.5x57mm designed for it got even more power than the 6.5x50mm from Japan.
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@templatename23411 "The word avtomat refers to an automatic weapon, but has been imortalized as a russian word for assault rifle" I would say that avtomat is just short for "machine gun" and the whole "assault rifle" was not popular in Warsaw Pact countries... Translation of "assault rifle" to Russian is "shturmovaya vintovka" and for example to Polish "karabin szturmowy"...
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@RussianThunderrr 6.5X50 S.R. have 2666J so 30% more power than Avtomat Kalashnikov’s-47 and at that time the handgun in the Russian army was the Nagan revolver with stuning 340J of energy... And 6.5X50 S.R. ended in Russia at that time because it was a fully capable rifle round.
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Handguns in Russia were using 340J of energy so 2666J provided by this 6.5mm is too high to cosider it light or intermediate cartridge... also the oryginal 6.5mm got more enrgy as it was 6.5x57 not 6.5x50.
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2666J is not the "intermediate cartridge" especialy for Russia where nagan handgun got only 340J. Fedorov initial 6.5x57design for this weapon is even more powerful than Japanese 6.5x50mm...
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You forgot about the whole German idea of the "communism"...
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Fedor designed 6.5x57 and in the video is very good explanation why he ended up with the 6.5x50 Arisaka..
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