Comments by "Luredreier" (@Luredreier) on "RealLifeLore"
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@inspectorvoid
Greenhouses still need light to make sense, light isn't available during the winter in Norway.
As for the soil, most of it has been scraped away by glaciers, leaving only areas that was underwater when the ice age glaciers melted actually with quality soil, that thankfully slowly became available for farming as the land rose, no longer compacted by the weight of all of the ice.
The cold is also a issue.
All of these things compounds to increase the cost of farming both inside lighthouses and outside them quite significantly, compared to just importing food.
Especially if you include the cost of Norwegian labour.
If we hadn't voted no to joining the EU allowing us to have tarrifs on agricultural products we probably wouldn't have had any competitive agricultural products produced in Norway.
As is we're specializing.
We have some fjords suitable for things like Norwegian apples etc.
Since our products grow slower they're often quite nutritious compared to areas where plants grow faster and also tastier.
Our crops can be finished in between the harvests in other countries where they might have two harvests pr season, we only get one, but it's with less competition and often of higher quality.
Likewise, we can't grow large areas of grasses like wheat, but our mountains and islands still support sheep and goats grazing there, even if they're rocky.
You can't do just anything here and make it work.
You need a viable market and a viable strategy that's competitive in said market.
Other producers in other countries will be cheaper.
So you need to find other ways to compete.
Greenhouses are absolutely a part of the mix here, but they can't do the bulk production, they can do niche products that's sold at a higher price due to being locally produced, but that's only viable for a certain amount of market share.
And Norwegian greenhouses had to cut production due to high energy prices when we where exporting power to Europe after the start of the war in Ukraine too, just like the continental ones did.
Greenhouses can't solve every problem.
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+Viidakonyka98
That's debatable...
There's a reason why it fell in the first place.
Ok, granted the following is a simplification and there's a ton more stuff involved, but still.
For a start Sweden was and is more focused towards mainland Europe, they've always been more continental then the rest of us, that's part of why they ended up in the EU while Norway didn't.
Norway on the other hand has always been both more insular and more focused towards the sea, the later of those two things where also true for Denmark.
A result of that is that we've always been striving towards maintaining good relations with whoever is the dominant power at sea, back then the UK, now the US (and that's a big part of why we're in NATO while Sweden isn't, and it's also why Denmark is a part of NATO, that and Denmark and Sweden could never agree on the terms for a Nordic defensive alliance back in the day)
Furthermore how the different countries are put together also impacts how they work.
Norway and Iceland are low population density coastal nations with unique challenges that more urbanized nations like Sweden and Denmark do not face.
In short, while I do believe that we could benefit from some form of union, it would have to be a much looser union then the Kalmar union to remain stable, based on mutual cooperation of independent nations rather then a unified government.
Basically a strengthened version of the Nordic Council.
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Ace Of Blazes Right, Sweden is the "rape capital of the world"...
"In 2014, there were 6,700 rapes reported to the Swedish police — or 69 cases per 100,000 population — according to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Brå), which is an 11 percent increase from the previous year. The number of convictions have remained relatively unchanged since 2005, with approximately 190 convictions on average each year.
There have been several international comparisons made, placing Sweden at the top end of the number of reported rapes. However, police procedures and legal definitions vary widely across countries, which makes it difficult to compare rape statistics. For example, Sweden reformed its sex crime legislation and made the legal definition of rape much wider in 2005, which largely explains a significant increase in the number of reported rapes in the ten-year period of 2004-2013. The Swedish police also record each instance of sexual violence in every case separately, leading to an inflated number of cases compared to other countries. Additionally, the Swedish police have improved the handling of rape cases, in an effort to increase the number of crimes reported.
Raised awareness and a shifting attitude of crimes against women in Sweden, which has been ranked as the number one country ingender equality may also explain the relatively high rates of reported rape."
Or in other words, you get the exact same rapes in the US, Canada, or any other western nation they just don't show in the statistics...
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Excuse me but +VintageLJ, +You'reInMySpot and +Certified Fresh Memes but what are you guys smoking?
Of course most of those fleeing are refugees.
Regarding economic migrants it's a case of being left to starve to death or being raped in countries around the war zone that "accept the refugees in" or continuing fleeing to Europe and the US.
And regarding number 3 you really think that the problem is the refugees and not the nation they're entering when they're not being integrated?
As for Americans being well educated?
Jeez...
I'd hire an average Syrian over an average American any day.
The Syrians where well educated before the war while the American education system has been decaying for years with only the upper class private schools still holding decent standards.
Also, don't fool yourself, a whole continent fleeing, Europe would shut our borders, simply because we wouldn't be able to cope with that kind of numbers, just look at what happened with Syria, and that's just a single fairly small country with a well educated and generally fairly moderate population.
As for the current situation with ISIS over there, that was honestly caused by us in the west, and not by Syria somehow being all that religious to begin with...
And Certified Fresh Memes, seriously, look at the states...
You think they don't have plenty of local terrorists?
Mindsets that puts ISIS to shame is already well represented there, the only thing keeping the US from blowing up like a barrel of gunpowder is that their economic and political stability hasn't gone down enough to trigger a civil war yet leaving just individuals who ain't cooperating too much doing relatively minor things like school shootings...
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