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@deathblosomrules didn't see that you were replying to someone.
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@deathblosomrules my favorite flattard comment is, " they can't get anywhere near the vacuum of space." They dont understand that vacuums are that crazy power as seen in the movies.
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@deathblosomrules with Newton's third law. I thought i made that very clear? The explosion inside the burn chamber that ejects the exhaust at an extremely high rate and speed causes an equal and opposite reaction. As i said with the gun example, the recoil of the gun would be dependant on altitude if atmosphere was a factor. With the sr71, ir would be impossible because the atmosphere would be too thin and moving away from the exhaust too fast to push off of. If the atmosphere was the cause of reaction then surface area of an object would be more important than size. So if i was in an ice rink and threw a 20 lb weight vs a beach ball. Which would cause me to move further back?
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You should film explosives and water. How you can direct the power of the explosive with water. Since water does not compress, you can use it almost like a shape charge.
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@WarpedYT https://youtu.be/_80gWlDQdHg This is a device that uses detcord and the water to direct all of the explosive in one direction
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@WarpedYT sidney alford is the inventor and is a genius at manipulating explosives
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@WarpedYT https://youtu.be/E-bhz-jat64 Each tube will blast a blade of water.
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That's where the high speed footage comes in. Force is recorded instantaneously, even during the ignition sequence. Before any gass is formed or exhaust has time to hit the walls.
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Why dont you just take a gun and shoot it at sea level and then shoot it at 10-15,000 feet up and see if there is a significant difference in felt recoil. The rocket is just feeling the recoil of the exhaust.
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Force is shown before smoke.
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@WarpedYT ive actually seen someone do that on youtube
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@GlorifyGodInEverything absolutely wrong. A rocket is a contained explosion. Let's try a firecracker hanging inside a vacuum with a little plastic cup over it. What happens to the cup. You do realize that a rocket burns through tons of fuel every minute. That mass is ejected out of the nozzle. Now what happens when you have mass moving at velocity? Momentum. Now how is momentum conserved if the rocket and fuel system have a momentum gain for the exhaust and not the rocket?
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@GlorifyGodInEverything what turbine? There is no turbine in a rocket. Even in a turbine jet engine, it burns the fuel to cause expansion and eject the exhaust at high velocity to create thrust. How do you think after burners work? There is no pushing off the atmosphere. How can a jet flying at mach 3 push off an atmosphere, when the atmosphere is moving away from the thrust at mach 3? I describe how all of physics describes how rocket works. You describe your misunderstanding of physics. Still waiting on your answer how momentum is conserved.
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@GlorifyGodInEverything momentum is mass and velocity. If you have mass, such as the burning gasses escaping the end of a nozzle at a rate of hundreds of ton per minute, leaving at a high velocity, it has a momentum. Now how is momentum conserved for the entire system, if you do not have momentum being created in the opposite direction equal to the momentum of the exhaust?
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@GlorifyGodInEverything I'm sorry, but the thrust does not leave the engine at mach 3 in an sr 71 engine. Even if it did, it will still not have sufficient energy to push against the friction of the atmosphere. It is pushing off of an atmosphere that is moving away from the exhaust at mach 3. Don't forget it is a very thin atmosphere to begin with. And you said the bullet is a terrible example? Then why does recoil not effected by the atmosphere? Why is there not a significant drop in recoil from sea level to 10,000 feet? If it needs an atmosphere to push off of? Maybe you should try googling, "what is thrust?" Where do they say it needs an atmosphere to push off of?
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@GlorifyGodInEverything oh yeah and i forgot, turbine is a transfer of energy. It uses the thrust from the exhaust to turn the turbine. In other words the turbine uses energy of the system, not creates energy. So how does a turbine in a jet causes acceleration? Where is the turbine located in a rocket engine?
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@GlorifyGodInEverything you are avoiding the question. How is momentum conserved for the entire system if there is a momentum increase of the exhaust? Momentum is just mass and velocity. So if the mass of the exhaust is moving at velocity, it has momentum. It is irrelevant if there is a vacuum around the system. In fact the system is usually imagined in a vacuum. So how is momentum conserved? Where is it in the momentum equation, the atmosphereic pressure come into play?
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@GlorifyGodInEverything and you dont know how guns work either. Tell me, is recoil is felt after the bullet leaves the barrel. So if the recoil is dependant on the surrounding atmosphere and not the momentum of the bullet leaving, why is recoil independant of the pressure?
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@GlorifyGodInEverything actually, no. Everything you said is all internal forces until the bullet leaves the barrel. The forces felt is dependant on the weight of the bullet and the velocity it leaves the barrel. Not the atmosphere pushing back on the bullet. It is the exact same principal to how rockets work. Once again conservation of momentum. And the semi auto is entirely dependant on the type of system you are using. Are you using a blowback, direct impingement, or gas piston. All of which are different. Blow back is dependant on the recoil, but once again doesnt occur till after the bullet leaves the barrel. Piston and direct impingement is dependant on siphoning some of the gas back to cycle the gun. If the gun is recoiling at the ignition of the gun powder, how are people accurate for over a mile? The gun is moving before the bullet leaves the barrel, will cause the bullet to stray off course. Even having the barrel touching something during firing will cause the barrel resonance to shift to throw off the shot. A person will not be able to manage the recoil exactly the same way everytime they shoot. It's as if the recoil occurs after the bullet leaves the barrel.
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@GlorifyGodInEverything who says you dont feel recoil from a blank? It is a limited amount, but there is still recoil. As i stated there is mass, the bullet, moving at velocity creating momentum, bow how is the momentum conserved for the bullet and gun system. Hmmmm, oh it is the recoil. Wait, isnt that exactly how i described the rocket? The mass of the exhaust, considering it has thousands of tons of fuel and that is getting ejected at high velocity. Now how is the the rocket, exhaust system conserve momentum?
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@GlorifyGodInEverything what happens to the gas is burned at a rapid rate in a contained chamber? It is expanding exponentially. The only difference between burning and explosions is the rate which the fuel is consumed. The burn process is being controlled to a precise rate preventing an explosion. Since the fuel is burned and the pressure of the expanding gas is causing the mass of the exhaust to escape at a high velocity. Since there is mass and velocity the exhaust has momentum. So how is the momentum of the entire system conserved? No. The rocket is represented by the entire gun. The firing chamber represents the burn chamber. The barrel represents the nozzle allowing the gas to expand and pick up velocity. The bullet and the burning gas represents the tons of exhaust being expelled out of the back of the rocket or muzzle of the gun
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@GlorifyGodInEverything the bottle is flying because the liquid inside is suddenly epanding and the mass of the liquid being ejected out the neck is causing a force. There is an equal and opposite reaction on the bottle. One concept you need to understand is that vacuums have no power, they do not suck. The motion and power comes from the pressure differential of the higher pressure wanting to go to the lower pressure. The size of the nozzle will limit how much pressure is released at any given moment. This will have a maximum flow rate given by fluid dynamics.
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@GlorifyGodInEverything look, conservation of momentum is a fundamental law of motion. This is something we have based many engineering feet around. The concept of thrust is based on this principal. You have a mass and eject it out of the system will cause the mass to have momentum, the system as a whole needs to conserve momentum, so there must be a momentum gain equal and opposite to the momentum of the ejected mass to conserve the momentum for the whole system.
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@GlorifyGodInEverything what side to side thrust?
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@GlorifyGodInEverything the rcs thrusters? Same properties. Hydrogen peroxide interacting with a metal catalyst to boil and create steam at a high velocity. It's the same mechanism used by those jet packs that bond and michael Jackson wore. Remember mass at velocity equal momentum. There must a momentum to counter act the steams momentum to conserve the momentum of the entire system. Now place that thruster away from the center of balance, you create torque. Torque causes rotation.
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@GlorifyGodInEverything seems like rockets works in space. All of the excuses i have heard is the failure to understand the basic physics involved. If you go into the difficulty of pumping the fuel at the high rate or the difficulty of reigniting the engine in the vacuum of space, now those are the engineering problems nasa scientists has had to over come.
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@jondextersalise3649 once again. The burning exhaust has mass and is being ejected at velocity. If it has mass and velocity it has momentum. Since there is no external force at work, how is the momentum of the entire system conserved? If there is a momentum gain on the exhaust, there has to be a momentum equal and opposite to conserve the momentum of the system. This is a fundamental law of motion
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@jondextersalise3649 since you believe a rocket needs to push off of something. Let me ask you a question. How come a guns recoil is not effected by elevation? Since there is a significant difference from sea level to 10,000 feet in the atmospheric pressure, there should be a significant difference in recoil, since the bullet is pushing off the air. Will a gun have recoil a vacuum?
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@meh11235 what does that have to do with the thrust pushing off an atmosphere that is moving along with the thrust at mach 3. How can it gain force if the air it is pushing off of is moving faster than the thrust?
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@meh11235 there is two concepts of rockets not working in space. Rockets needing to push off of air and burning in a vacuum is impossible. I use the sr 71 as an example and ask how can the thrust push off an atmosphere moving mach 3. The exhaust is not being ejected at mach 3.
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@meh11235 how a jet and rocket create thrust is irrelevant to the point. The fact that jets and rockets create thrust and how that thrust causes acceleration is the point. If thrust is dependant on pushing on the atmosphere, how does the exhaust push on an atmosphere moving away from it at mach 3. Yes if a rocket was shot straight up and has not reached escape velocity, it will fall back. Since rockets are not shot straight up and launched at an angle where the velocity will be perpendicular to the pull of gravity. At certain altitudes, a specific speed will cause the object to reach orbit. That speed is determined by matching the centrifugal force and the force of gravity. This will cause the objects acceleration to be perpendicular to the velocity creating a circular motion.
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@meh11235 you fail to realize that a chamber that there is little difference between 0.01 tor and 10^-10 tor. There is still only 0.01 difference.
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@meh11235 a car tire and a bike tire uses different methods to create torque, but the torque causes accelerate the same way for both. A rocket burns fuel and an oxidizer to create thrust. A jet burns fuel and air to create thrust. How the thrust is created is irrelevant to how the thrust causes acceleration.
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@meh11235 i know how both engines work as i spelled it out to you. As i said how they create thrust is irrelevant. They both use thrust to create a force. Now if thrust is dependant on pushing against the atmosphere, how does the sr71 push off an atmosphere that is thin and moving away from the jet at mach 3. You do understand that both engine uses thrust to accelerate right? You do know what thrust is right?
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@meh11235 the funniest thing is the comment of "pressure so low that it is almost non existent " is pretty much the deffinition of a vacuum. A vacuum is a state of lower pressure where the higher pressure aeeks to create equilibrium. The strength of a vacuum is based on the differential of the pressure. The vacuum itself holds little value, the differential is the important factor. What you fail to realize is the fact that vacuums don't suck.
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@meh11235 here is a simple questions. How does a burning of the fuel from a jet cause acceleration? How does burning of the fuel from a rocket create acceleration? I do not care how they burn the fuel, just how does the burning of the fuel create acceleration.
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@meh11235 you still are missing the point. I am not interested in how the jet and rocket burn the fuel. What i am interested is how the burning of the fuel causes acceleration. You keep focussing on how they are different because of how they burn fuel. I am asking you to look at how they are the same on how they use the burning fuel to create thrust and how does that thrust create acceleration. The method they use to burn the fuel is irrelevant to the question.
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@meh11235 ok this is getting annoying. You are talking about points that are different than what im talking about. Ok lets start over. Do rockets and jets need to push off the atmosphere to accelerate? We can get to vacuums after.
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@fromagefrizzbizz9377 ok i just realized there are two people. I usually do not focus on the names. Both of you have purple icons and it seemed like i was talking to one person
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@fromagefrizzbizz9377 it gets confusing. Im on my cell and see a purple logo and assumed it was the same person
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@meh11235 what is the pressure differential between the layers? What's the difference between density gradient and pressure gradient? So do you believe that a rocket/jet engine needs to push off the atmosphere to accelerate?
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@meh11235 as before i was sayimg whenever there is a significant pressure differential the lower pressure is considered a vacuum. If you imagine the atmosphere like a bunch of balloons piled on top of each other, the bottom ones are going to be smaller because they are being compressed by the weight of the balloons above. The higher you get the less weight of the balloos above you press down on you. Now the vacuum of space is just empty space with miniscule amount of balloons inside it. The vacuum holds no force, strength, or power. Only when there is a significant pressure differential is when there is a force. This is because the higher pressure wants to go fill in the void. The force is derived from the higher pressure. Vacuums do not suck.
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@meh11235 they are not intertwined. You avoided the question. What is the pressure differential between the density gradient? If i meassured the pressure above the briny water and inside the briny water what will the difference in pressure be between the two reading?
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@meh11235 wow. Just making things up. What does volume have to do with f=ma?
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@meh11235 fluid dynamics is the limiting factor on the pressure loss, as i have already explained. Momentum has nothing to do with geometry. Forces are calculated as vectors and is not concerned with geometry. Even drag is simplified to the drag coefficient.
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@meh11235 space does nothing to the motor. The area which the gas can escape the burn chamber is limited in area. As you said and i have stated before yhe fluid dynamics and the area limits the maximum flow of the gasses from escaping. This allowing pressure to be sustained. Vacuums don't suck.
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@meh11235 the fact that there is no impedance has nothing to do with how thrust works. The simple act of applying force on the exhaust gases will impart a force back on the rocket itself. Newtons 3rd law. As i stated before, if a rocket/jet engine needs to push off an atmosphere, then how does the jet engine of an sr71 push off an atmosphere that is moving away from the nozzle at mach 3? Since you like to talk about momentum, then let's also talk sunly the conservation of momentum. If the mass of the exhaust gases is ejected out of the rocket with velocity, how is momentum conserved in the system as a whole. Without an external force there can be no momentum loss or gain on the system. So what cancels out the momentum of the exhaust?
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@meh11235 energy and force are two different things. External Forces causes differential of momentum. Without an external force, momentum can not change. Since the force is internal and there is a momentum gain in the exhaust gases escaping the system, how is momentum conserved in the system as a whole? Where is the momentum gain in the opposite direction to conserve momentum?
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@meh11235 actually, you imparted a complete different ideas. Ideas that are not linked to anything. Your concept is something you made up. Energy and force are two different concept and you are trying to link them as if they are one in the same. All the concepts i have stated is thought up in a frictionless enviroment. Meaning no air resistance, no drag.
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@meh11235 let me ask ypu a basic question. If i had a stick of dynomite next to a bucket floating in the vacuum of space. What happens to the bucket when the dynomite explodes, assume the bucket will not be destroyed.
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