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@brownpower3850 Did you read all 60 books of Talmud? How come you advice to read Talmud when you never read Talmud yourself?
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@dpersonal4187 In 1948 650 000 Palestinians left their homes as well as 45 000 Jews. Expelled people were from both sides. It just Jews were more successful in the war. That is why number of expelled Jews is less then Palestinians. Also 900 000 Jews were expelled from Arab countries. Don't start genocidal war against Jews and nobody will be killed or expelled
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@tasm1411 Majority of people in Israel want two state solution as long as it brings peace for sure. Majority people in Israel don't believe in peace with Palestinians and Hamas. You can easily verify my claims in polls. Majority of Palestinians don't want peace with Israel, but want Israel to be destroyed. Only insane person can talk about 2 state solution as long as Hamas in its current version exists. Current Israeli government is democratically elected. Like it or not. Current Israeli government will let people in Israel to decide in 5 weeks whether or not they will continue to role over Israel next few years.
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@tasm1411 Do you really mean that some professor who didn't live in Israel and didn't served in Israeli army knows better then people who were in wars ,in intelligence service in Israel? I personally believe that 2 state solution right now will create 20 times more casualties on both sides then is now.
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@tasm1411 No. He never served on territories. He never had contact with Palestinians. It is the same like saying American professor have better undeserving of situation in Afganistan or China or North Korea or African country. You claim that you don't see how he has less understanding then Israelis who speak Arabic and have endless knowledge of intelligence on Palestinian show well your ignorance. There are 3 Palestinian states right now. Jordan where Palestinians are 70% of Population. Gaza that has common border with Egypt and where no Israeli soldiers inside. Hamas government role Gaza,not Israel. West bank Palestinian authority that 90% of Palestinians live under this authority. They have their own police and court system, own parlament and prisons. They have more embassies around the world then Israel has. This is almost country. Country mines that has direct control of 50% of the land in West bank.
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@tasm1411 You don't get it. Majority of Palestinians don't want peace settlement with Israel. Just watch YouTube videos where they say that they want Jews gone and Israel disappears. Have you ever heard about Hamas? Do you know that they want Israel destruction. And they say that after creating Palestinian state the struggle for removal of Israel will continue. In 2000 Ehud Barak offered Palestinians 95 percent of West Bank and 5 more percent of Israeli territory. Palestinians refused and started war against Jews that killed more then thousand Jews. You don't get that Arab mentality don't value compromise. Compromise in Arab culture means weakness. If you compromise you are not a man. You don't have honor. This is what you and your professor can't understand without living in Israel and dealing closely with Arabs.
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Vincent Sample Do you really care what some idiots who want Israel to be destroyed thing? You put too much importance on youself and your opinion . And you using world Apartheid without knowledge what does this word means. You just too ignorant and too stupid to have a discussion with local arguments with. Read many books, learn critical thinking and then come back if you have anything relevant to say.
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@captainfingers1100 I dont get what do you mean?
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@tasm1411 Please watch following videos Palestinians: Are you willing to compromise for peace with Israel? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBZhN-CjpEw Palestinians: What would happen if you publicly say you want peace with Israel? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa7JXW6OhO0 Even when the British in 1937 - the Peel Commission headed by Lord Peel - offered the Arabs 80%, and only 20% of the land to the Jews, the Arabs rejected this peace initiative. In 1947 the UN changed this to 50%-50%. The Arabs declared war in 1948, and lost. Even after the 1967 victory, the Israeli leadership offered peace for land, and in return the Arabs gave Israel the Khartoum Resolution with the famous 3 'No's. In 2000 Ehud Barak tried with Arafat at Camp David with Bill Clinton, and in 2008 Ehud Olmert tried to broker a peace plan with Abbas that went broke. Everytime the Arabs say: "No!" Many good people have tried. How can the muslims, who don't even have peace between themselves, have peace with others? They cannot, it's not in their lexicon. Islam means submission and according to Islam all non-muslims should be subjugated so they would submit to allah=Muhammad
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@tasm1411 About 70 percent of Jordan's population is of Palestinian origin, almost two million of them in refugee camps, but generally they are well integrated into Jordanian society.Jan 10, 2013 Why don't you talk about Arab attempt to massacre Jews in 1948 _ “Palestine shall be consumed with fire and blood if the Jews get any part of it.” Declared on November 24, 1947, by the Acting Chairman of the Palestinian Arab Higher Committee, Jamal Al-Husseini "--This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of LIKE THE MONGOLIAN MASSACRES " Arab League general secretary, Azzam Pasha, declaration when 7 Arab armies attacked the defending Israel in 1948 Why don't you talk that 45 000 Jews were ethnically cleaned from arab territories in 1948? Why don't you talk about 900 000 Jews who were ethnically cleaned from Arab countries?
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@tasm1411 "We can get to ancestry if you like and talk about Ashkenazi ancestry and how they are european khazars " No historians in the world support this theory. Nobody. No evidences for this theory. Also genetic research disprove this theory. No single historical record Jewish or non Jewish that support this theory. As an opposit to it there are tens of thousands of records Jewish and non Jewish that show that Jews came to Germany from Rome.
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@tasm1411 You try to pretend that Gaza has no border with Egypt. It has. Israel is an independent country and as independent country it has a right to set its own policy of the border control.Lebanon, Jordan and Syria have their own policy of border control with Israel.Gaza is not occupied. And UN commission declared that blockade is legal by international law
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@tasm1411 You actually claim that Pal are so stupid that they cant create on its own terrorist organisation. Israel did't fight Hamas first few years of its creation because Hamas didnt attack Israel first few years. From this to make a claim that Israel created Hamas is far too long way.
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@captainfingers1100 I didn't get what do you mean?
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@captainfingers1100 American millitary support of Israel around 1% of GDP of Israel. Before 1967 America didn't support Israel and Israel fucked Arabs in 1948, 1956, 1967. And i am just curios to know who will destroy Israel if America disappear? Which country? Which organisation? Let Israeli people to decide who will be next government of Israel. And it is really not you business. I think you are highly delusional about you importance. Nobody cares what you think or might think. Nobody. If you die tomorrow nobody will put attention. Israel loved and admired by many good countries and many good nations around the globe . Israel doesn't need validation such a small person like you. Israel even doesn't know about your existence in this world.
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@thirdbnico How your claims relevant to discussion? Did I write something that you can write your claims ?
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@tasm1411 I don't get paid, but i wish. I do admit however that i used quotes that were written not by me. You don't get facts to confuse you. I don't let Palestinians speaking that they will never compromise or settle with Israel to confuse your peace theory vision. You don't let the fact that majority of Palestinians vote for Hamas( organisation that calling for massacre of Jews and destruction of Israel ) to undermine you fanatic almost religion peace vision. No . You will not find videos like those on Youtube , unless the guy who produced the biased against Israel. Israelis ready for compromise with Palestinians. In 2000 Ehud Barak offered 97 percent of Gaza and West Bank to Palestinians. In response Palestinians started the war of suicide bombers that killed more then 1000 Jews. Similar offers were brought to palestinians in 2001 and 2008. They refused. Bill Clinton wrote about this in his book, and i have never heard that Pal told that Clinton book is untrue. Let's be honest , you don't like to deal with facts if they are inconvenient. facts annoy you, and I will continue to post them.
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@tasm1411 Richard Falk is known Hamas supported, BDS supporter. Again you failed to relate to fact that also 45 000 Jews were ethnically cleaned in 1948 as well as 900 000 Jews were ethnically cleaned from Arab countries and all their property and land was stolen. They owned land that is 5 times bigger than Israel today. When you start a war and loose territory expect that your population will be ethnically cleaned. 12 millions Germans were ethnically cleaned in the same time when Israel was established. Millions more other nationalities were ethnically cleaned in the world as result of wars . Why wouldn't Israelis want that Palestinians disappear after so many years of conflict. in 90's there was a party in Israel that had a program of ethnically cleansing of palestinians by big money compensation to Palestinians. They only got 3 members in parliament out of 120.
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@tasm1411 Gaza has a border with Egypt. UN and you never mentioned this fact. Israel doesn't not control this border. Why you don't blame Egypt as well. You treat UN like they absolute wisdom. UN is a list of countries like North Korea, Venezuela, Zimbabve, Cuba, South Africa with black Apartheid, Bellarasia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Turkey, Egypt, Sudan, Iran, Pakistan, Turkmenistan, China, Vietnam, Saudia, Catar, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Kazakhstan, Aserbaidzan, Bangladesh, bunch of Africans countries . Do you really think that Israel care what those countries think about Israel or what those countries write in their reports against Israel. You give too much credit to UN like it absolute Justice and absolute wisdom. Do you think that Russia, China, Turkey, USA care what UN think. All those countries violate international laws and they are not condemned in UN. Nobody in UN condem China for Tibet occupation ot Turkey for Cyprus occupation. UN is a bunch of Hippocrates. There is a huge difference between creation of Hamas and inviting the Egyptian Muslim brotherhood in in order to decide the PLO. And it also was a mistake. Nobody thought in that time that Muslim brotherhood will become to what Hamas become today. It is normal to make mistakes. Israel did many mistakes. Oslo one of them. Settlements are another. Israel is not free from mistakes.
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@tasm1411 Palestinians: Should you have accepted the 1947 UN partition plan? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21_ELNcGSB8&t=329s Just watch this video and understand how delusional you are and how fucked up Gidon Levi is. This is not fake reporter video who wanted to show Palestinians in particular way. He asked real people and showed all answers. No normal person in Israel or the world will support yours or Gidon Levi theories. And this is why 99% of Israelis think Gidon Levi is fucked up.
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Steffen Zander Nazi blame other person of being Nazi
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@tasm1411 Did you read Talmud? Did you read all 40 books of Talmud? Did you speak with anyone who read Talmud? No . So how you can refer to something you never read? I spoke with people who read Talmud. They told me that all those quotes are fake or taken out of context. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Talmud_Unmasked Do you know how many Jews read Talmud? Do you know how many follow Talmud? Do you know what is in Talmud? It is mainly debates about Judaism that spread for a centuries. You claim that Israel helped to create Hamas is ridiculous. Israel didn't arrested Hamas members first few years because there was no violence from Hamas. Israel didn't see threat from Hamas first few years. From this to conclude that Israel created Hamas is ridiculous. You critical of Egypt? really? So you accept that Egypt has a border with Gaza? That is take away all responsibility of Israel from Gaza. Blame of Israeli blockade is ridiculous now. Egypt Arab Muslim country and should be responsible for well being of their Palestinian brothers. not Israel Did you watched videos i sent you? how come you can believe in peace after that? Anyone who will watch in those videos will consider idea of peace with Palestinians as insane.
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@tasm1411 It looks like you didn't read what i wrote you and didn't watch videos. Watch all videos and you will understand how delusional you are. I read half of the article and stopped. This is an opinion of private person . but not a reality. Reality is very very far away. Reality is that Palestinians and Arafat never wanted a settlement with Israel. That is why they made school children program that taught children that eventually Israel should be destroyed. Arafat never talked to his people about peace with Israel and never said that there will be no return to Israel millions of Palestinians. And as you can see in videos i sent you majority of Palestinians don't want peace with Israel , but destruction of Israel. Just watch videos. I didn't asked you too much. I see the guy who wrote this article as highly delusional. You see an article as absolute truth. UN decided about the creation of Israel but never tried to protect its decision by protecting Jews in 1948 from invading 5 Arab armies. UN made derision in 1976 that Zionism is type of Racism, which they canceled in 1991. I don't see how anyone will take UN seriously in Israel. Also UN never condemned China for Tibet occupation, Turkey for Cyprus occupation, Russia for Georgian and Crimea occupation, Morocco for West Sahara occupation. But Israel was condemned endless amount of time. I don't think Israel should listen to UN at all. So many crazy countries in UN and they never condemned. I wrote you that in 90s there was a party in Israeli parliament that aimed for ethnic cleansing of Palestinians with big financials compensation for those Palestinians. They got 3 seats out 120. Just read everything i wrote
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Martin Luther Did you read Talmud? DId you read all 40 books of Talmud? Did you speak with anyone who read Talmud? No? So how you can say something about something you never read?
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@tasm1411 I am MBA graduate from very good and reputable university in Eroupe. Yes it is right that almost half of the Jews want to see Palestinians out. After majority of Palestinians support muddering Jews, extermination of Jews ,destruction of Israel. After majority of Palestinians considered those who killed Jewish children and woman as hiros and name schools, streets and stadioms on those who massacred Jewish children. After so many times Palestinians were offered land compromise and refused to any solution that will bring peace. After majority of Palestinians elected party that openly call for genocide of Jews in Israel and outside of Israel. It is normal that almost half of Israeli population want them to be removed. It would be strange if they wouldn't think so. Videos I presented to you will show how delusional you and Gidon Levi are. That is why less then 1 percent of Jews in Israel identify themselves with Gidon Levi views. That is why majority of Israelis considered him as a crazy. You can always find one Jew that say something that confirms your narrative. But in this case we see many regular Palestinians saying that they will never settle for peace with Israel. Guy who did those videos didn't have goal of showing Palestinians in bad light. He also asked Israelis similar questions. You argument about one Jews that was filmed and told something is invalid. You can always make everything to look bad .Always.
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@tasm1411 Nurit Peled like her brother Miko Peled are liars and idiots. I just seen her name on the article and stopped reading article. Because I watched her on YouTube and she as well as her brother Miko Peled patalogical liars. It was absolute lias what she told on YouTube. Why do you thing that if someone writing something in reputable newspaper it is true. She has her fucked up opinion, but it is not reality. Same like with reference you brought me opinion of left radical guy on peace process. You prevented it as absolute truth. Me as someone who has much better knowledge of the subject imidiatly spotted that this guy full of B.S and just presents his own opinion which vast majority of intellectual in Israel will easily disaprove. If you would be intellectually honest you would also give me a references how 3 years old children in Palestine brainwashed to hate and kill Jews. How Palestinian authority and Hamas teach children in school and kindergarten to kill Jews ,to fight Jews , to refuse to any peace with Israel, and that the Jews in this area are temporary and disappear with time. You should refere to a theater and TV show where they teach small children to kill Jews and become shahid. I believe that you are the last one who can preach about intellectual dishonesty.
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@tasm1411 Listen you got own by arguments and facts and history. You have too big ego to accept that what you thought about conflict is wrong. So you come to me with irrelevant references of UN. Yes I responded you that UN commission after MArmara which included ex prime Minister of New Zealand as a member declared that surge on Gaza is legal. It come to rebutle you claim that surge on Gaza is illegal. After that I brought you facts what countries constitute UN and how UN behaved to Israel compared to any other violator of laws of United Nation. And I also wrote that UN has very little moral ground in my eyes as well as absolute majority of people in Israel. Also many other countries doesn't care about UN. You called me hippocrate and intellectually dishonest in response.
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@tasm1411 Last time that Israel did ethnic cleansing was in 1948. You claims about ethnic cleansing are irrelevant. There was no deportation of Palestinians last 70 years. You absolutely failed to relate to my references about 45 000 Jews that were ethnically cleansed in 1948 and 900 000 Jews from Arab countries who also were ethnically cleansed and their property, land, homes were stolen. Don't you think that you are hippocrate when you mention only Arabs that were ethnically cleansed, but fail to mentioned that more Jews were ethnically cleansed. Majority of people in my belief will find you hippocrate.
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@tasm1411 I would advice you to ask few Israelis why this party got only 3 seats in parliament out of 120. It was because in reality most of Israelis don't believe in ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Me as well as majority of Israelis are ready for compromise with Palestinian which means future Palestinian state next to Israel. All polls say this. Majority of Palestinians are not ready for compromise with Israel. Also all polls say this. So majority of Jews in ideal world would love Palestinians disappear. It doesn't mean that they support ethnic cleansing like your Palestinian friends.
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@tasm1411 Look all references you bring about Hamas contradict your claim that Israel created Hamas. You bring references that contradict your claim. Israel couldn't create Hamas. It was Islamic movement that existed before Israel was created. They organized themselves and gave to themselves name of Hamas. Israel didn't see at that time threat from Hamas. It was a mistake and all political and military people in Israel understand that it was big mistake. After Hamas launched attacks on Israel, Israel started attacks on Hamas. Before Hamas didn't attack Israel, so Israel didn't retaliate.
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@tasm1411 No you showed you self as intellectually dishonest. Israel attack Gaza only in response to attacks from Gaza You just "forget to mention that fact" Israel killed people in flotilla. You just "forget to mention that people in this flotilla attacked soldiers that landed on the ship with knifes and severely injured few soldiers. And if soldiers would not be wearing protective suits there would be few soldiers killed. Also In any other place on the earth in similar situation soldiers would shot on people that attack with knives its soldiers. If instead of Israeli soldiers it would be American or Russian soldiers the number of killed would be many times higher. Just to show how intellectually dishonest you as a human being. Bringing only half truths. Without mentioning why those actions were taken. And then blaming others for intellectual dishonesty. And you again failed to relate to fact that Gaza has a border with Egypt and that Israel as independent country has right to its own border policy with Gaza as Lebanon or Syria have with Israel
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@tasm1411 Egypt is Arab Muslim country that can provide everything Gaza needs. The reason they don't is because they hate Hamas. It is their right. Israel provides everything Gaza needs with exception of materials that can be used in fighting
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@pejmaantni2366 You can't separate Jewdaizm from Zionism. Next year on Jerusalem is saying that was said for thousands years around the world
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@pejmaantni2366 Moses took Jews to promised land ,Jews killed or enslaved or deported local population. Faith of Mosses never been peaceful. It is many time less violent than Islam where Muhammad killed,raped, enslaved people, but it is not peaceful.
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@pejmaantni2366 Genetics say that Ashkenazi Jews are from Middle east. Historians say they are from Middle east. Also majority of Jews in Israel from Arabic origin and have dark skin.
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@pejmaantni2366 "The clip nor my comment were not about "Judaism" (Which Israel has nothing to do with)" 98% of the religion Jews in the world will disagree with your statement. "The argument is about immoral, racist, political phylosophy of Zionism" that is your opinion. Vast majority of Jews as well as non Muslims in the world will strongly disagree with your statement. "This is not about a manipulated set up that everytime Israel's name mentioned Judaism misuses to shield Zionism! Israel's name should trigger what is created by, (Zionism) not Jwes and Judaism which by large denying it! Playing Holocaust industry and Judaism cards by bunch of Imported Zionists is well exposed trick which nobody buys it anymore! " You make a lot if general statements which is impossible to understand what do you mean. As i wrote you before it is impossible to separate Zionism and Judaism. Vast majority of the Jews around the world support Israel.
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@tasm1411 I spoke with more than 20 of them .You are B.S. You didn't speak with one. Arabs massacred Jews, Arabs intimidated Jews, Arabs beaten Jews on the streets, Arabs confiscated their property, in 1967 president of Egypt ordered all Jews to leave Egypt. But lets for a second assume that your are right. Who will compensate them for lost land? Jews owned land that is 5 times bigger then Israel. Who will compensate for lost homes, businesses, property. If Jew from America or Europe go to live in Israel, nobody takes his land or his home or his business. It just show how big B.S you are. And why you don't talk that 45 000 Jews in 1948 were also expelled from Palestinian lands and become refugees in Israel? WHy? You don't feel comfortable?
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@tasm1411 This is not my writings about Ilan Pappe. And i don't work for anybody and just do it for fun "Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers." Ilan Pappe Le Soir, Nov. 29, 1999 "Ilan Pappe, a history lecturer at the University of Haifa, freely admits that, in his view, facts are irrelevant when it comes to the history of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. "Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts, Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers," Pappe said in an interview with the French newspaper Le Soir, Nov. 29, 1999 "My bias is apparent despite the desire of my peers that I stick to facts and the "truth" when reconstructing past realities. I view any such construction as vain and presumptuous." - Ilan Pappe (A History of Modern Palestine) p. 11 Ilan Pappe is an ex-Israeli, ex-historian. This guy was expelled from his Israeli university post after he was found to be fabricating historical data. Pappe's books have been critiqued by many since his evidence is based on half-truths, falsified facts and wishful thinking. He makes a living by giving talks to both left-wing groups and other Saudi Arabia-funded organizations. Nobody in community of historians will take him seriously . Nobody among professionals in History subject will reference to Ilan Pappe. Benny Morris: You cannot rely on one sentence in Ilan Pappe's book https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jGhC5vMY6s
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@tasm1411 norman finkelstein? Is this a guy who supported communism in China and went to live in Chian in the time when the biggest genocide in a human history took place and 100 millions Chinese people were killed? He moved to China because he supported Chinese communism. Is it the same guy? I believe most of the people in the world be very angry on you for you quoting this guy. It is the same like you quoting someone you supported Hitler or Nazzi Germany. Noam Chomsky? Is this a guy who supported and glorified few years back Chaves and Socialist Venezuela? Is it the same guy? Curiously, that’s not how the Venezuelan regime’s admirers used to speak of “21st century socialism,” as it was dubbed by Hugo Chávez. The late Venezuelan president, said Britain’s Jeremy Corbyn, “showed us there is a different and a better way of doing things. It’s called socialism, it’s called social justice, and it’s something that Venezuela has made a big step toward.” Noam Chomsky was similarly enthusiastic when he praised Chávez in 2009. “What’s so exciting about at last visiting Venezuela,” the linguist said, is that “I can see how a better world is being created and can speak to the person who’s inspired it.” I believe that most people in the western world would be very angry to listen to some one like Noam Chomsky if you inform them on his position on Venezuela in 2009. Richard Falk? Standing with Hamas: Richard Falk https://usefulstooges.com/2017/08/18/falk2/ You have amasing ability to give a references to all kind of crazy people. Norit Peled, Noam Chomsky, Ilan Pappe, Norman finkelstein, Richard Falk
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@tasm1411 The videos it presented you are real. Guy who did those videos had no agenda like Al Jazira has, ot Ilan pappe or Norman Filkenstein. He has huge number of other videos with Palestinians. And those videos prove point much better then any polls. Majority of Palestinians will fight Israel unteel Israel exists. Land compromise will not solve the problem. Also majority of Israelis ready for land compromise if it would be real peace. Also in 2000 Palestinians were offered 95% PERCENT LAND of 1967 border back. In response they opened the war that killed more then 1000 Israelis and make Israeli peace camp disappear. I don't know if you even seen those videos because they destroy all your peace vision for future settlement and show how your views as well as all those people you brought as a reference crazy. It is hard to realize that your views were crazy. Norman Filkenstein realised that his views about communist China were crazy and wrong i guess it was difficult for him. I don't know whether or not Noam chomsky realised and accepted that his views are wrong on Venezuela. Yes majority of Palestinians want Jews out of Palestine. I don't have reference to poll like you however. Majority of Palestinians support killing Jews
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@tasm1411 Do you know who said that. Dr Hajo Meyers, a holocaust survivor. Again, he was there so he knows according to you and he say Israel's like Nazi Germany That was really disgusting what you're doing. You are real villain with this example Only crazy person can compare Israel To Nazi Germany. Do you know that Israel provide cancer treatment to tens of thousands of Palestinians each year? That is really Nazi. I myself son of Holocaust survivor. Absolute majority of Holocaust survivors and their children will say that this guy Hajo Meyers is crazy. You love to bring quotes from all kind of crazy people if its fits to your narrative. And you can always find some one crazy in anywhere in the world with crazy saying and make reference to him. That is called manipulation. And in this case it is extremely ugly manipulation. Israel killed since 1967 around 15 thousands Palestinian - majority militants who wanted to kill Jews . in Poland 3 millions Jewish civilians were killed out 3.3 millions Jews. Only crazy or highly ignorant person or highly immoral human being can compare what Israel did to Palestinians as result of Palestinians wanting to kill as many Jews as possible and destroy state of Israel to what Nazi did to Jews. Israel in 1967 significantly improved health system on territories and the death rate of newborn children decreased significantly. Israel saved tens of thousand of Palestinians by improving health system standard on territories. Maj. Gen. Yair Golan had his own view and his saying was taken out of context. If Israel would be like a Nazi there wouldn't be any Palestinians today. The number of Palestinians who were killed is very very low compared to any conflict in the world last 70 years. As example Russians killed 200-300 thousands in chechnya and 1-1.5 millions in Afghanistan.
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@tasm1411 The guy wasn't convicted in the court. They couldn't prove that this guy committed killing. If Israeli court with help of Police and intelligence service couldn't proof that this guy indeed killed how do you really know if he indeed killed ? WHere do you get you superior knowledge that Israeli intelligence doesn't have ? How can you punish someone when court didn't convict him? And by the way Palestinians would be glorify someone who killed Jewish family and would praise his family and give him a money for killing Jews. "Elor Azaria who killed a subdued and disarmed palestinian attacker got 18 months" Elor Azaria killed Palestinian who Just 2 minutes before tried to kill Israeli soldier. Don't try to pretend that the terrorist who was killed by Elor Azaria was innocent Palestinian civilian. " Israel has right to maintain its border. True but why does that include Gazan airspace and tetorial water? " Because the first thing that Palestinians will bring to Gaza will be weapon that will be used against Israeli people. Don't play like i am an idiot. Why should Israel allow weapon to Gaza when Gaza roled by organisation that openly claims that their goal is Israeli destruction and that they will continue killed Jews until Israel removed from the map? And by the way why don't you write anything about Palestinians that massacred Jews and how they are accepted among Palestinians. I don't have time to read articles of some pro Palestinian idiot . You relate to those articles like absolute truth. I consider them as opinion of some crazy and biased people.
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mccolock maq in 1941 190 Jews were massacred in Baghdad. In Libya locals massacred local Jews community. In 1967 president of Egypt ordered all Jews to leave Egypt. Since 1948 Jews were killed, intimidated by Arabs in their countries. Iraq introduced laws similar to Nazi Germany in 1933 to Jews. Ashkenazi Jews direct descendants of Jews who lived there 2000 years back. At least that is what all historians Jews and non Jews say. And who are you to tell that you know better than them.
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mccolock maq Muslims massacred other Muslims, Christians, Hindus and Jews for last 1400 years. Start from Muhammad.
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@tasm1411 I don't to work for anybody. MBA wouldn't troll on the internet. I also don't know anybody in Israel who troll for money. Never heard. Also i don't have access to premium Haaretz articles. You may love or you may hate Israelis. Absolute majority of educated Israelis will tell that Nurit and Mico Peled liars and manipulators. I don't have time to go over their speeches. As i wrote you i have other priorities in life. You welcome to come to Israel and to show to few well educated Israelis their speeches. Richard Falk The then U.S. representative at the UN, Susan Rice, reacted with anger to Falk’s high-handed nonsense, describing his call for a boycott as “irresponsible and unaccceptable” and saying that his “continued service in the role of a UN Special Rapporteur is deeply regrettable and only damages the credibility of the UN.” Israel agreed, calling Falk’s report “grossly biased” and demanding his dismissal. Canada’s Foreign Ministry weighed in too, describing Falk’s report as “biased and disgraceful” and saying that if he did not withdraw it, he should resign. Even as Richard Falk was systematically savaging Israel, he continued to shift the blame for 9/11 from its jihadist perpetrators to George W. Bush and, perhaps, unnamed others in Bush’s political orbit. These comments not only brought more criticism from Susan Rice, who again called for his dismissal. Even Ban Ki-moon, the then Secretary-General of the UN (and a man who was usually restrained, often maddeningly so, on such matters), spoke up, calling Falk’s claims “preposterous” and “an affront to the memory of the more than 3,000 people who died in that tragic terrorist attack.” But Ban added that he was in no position to fire Falk – only the UNHRC itself could do that. John Baird Falk also offered his opinions on later terrorist acts. After the Boston Marathon murders, he described them as “blowback” from U.S. actions – an implicit defense of the Tsarnaev brothers and an affront to their victims. This obscene remark drew angry criticism from Canadian Foreign Minister John Baird, who said that the UN “should be ashamed to even be associated with such an individual,” and, once again, from Susan Rice, who said that it was “[p]ast time for him to go.” In 2011, Falk posted online an anti-Semitic cartoon depicting a dog in a yarmulke (although he later insisted it was not a yarmulke but an IDF helmet). There ensued yet another round of calls for his resignation. This time even Falk’s supervisor at the UNHCR, Navi Pillay, recognized the cartoon as anti-Semitic, but she didn’t fire him – because, she said, he had apologized. Any questions? Norman Finkelstein was communist who supported China in time of the biggest genocide in a human history. He came to China to teach in University while tens of millions people were killed. Vast majority of the people in the Western World would be very angry on you as some one who bring references from Norman Finkelstein. Noam Chomsky . Vast majority on the people will laugh at someone who supported Hugo Chavez. Dr Hajo Meyers never lived in Israel and didn't know what does it mean to live in a country where millions of residences of neighboring countries want Israel to be destroyed. He did't see those things in his own eyes. Absolute majority of Holocaust survivors and their children in Israel ( more then 99%) will highly disagree with Dr Hajo Meyers and will be very angry on his sayings. Also Dr Hajo Meyers support BDS - organisation which most western leaders considered anti semitic whose goal is destruction of Israel. He would be considered by vast majority of Jews in Israel as worst then capo( Jews who cooperated in concentration camps with Nazi for extra food. They also were killed by the end) That is the worst thing one Jew can say about other Jew. I believe that majority of Holocaust survivors will say that he is worse then capo. Illan Pappe considered to be a crook by majority of historians in the world. Nobody will take him seriously after he wrote that truth is not important. He also support destruction of Israel.
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@tasm1411 The videos are real and this guy didn't have any goal to distort situation. I know it is very difficult for you to see those videos because it is contradict your emotional investment in Palestinian course. I don't see any reason why Israelis would love Palestinians after those killed so many Israelis and claim that their goal is destruction of Israel. Any nation will hold the same views . It is just stupid to talk about morality. All those examples you gave me took place more then 70 years ago and i don't know in which circumstances. I have no time to study . As i wrote i have other things to do in life. But the fact that you failed to give one example of Israelis who gave the name to streets on Jews who massacred innocent Arabs last 40 years say everything. As i wrote you before few Israelis who massacred innocent Palestinians are in prison for life time. They also condemned by vast majority of people in Israel. Palestinians who massacred Jews are considered hiros among Palestinians and get financial reward from Palestinian budget. And that is funny that you can't cope with this comparison. And you are talking about high moral ground? How pitty? Majority of Palestinians support killing innocent Jews . Absolute majority of Israelis against killing innocent Palestinians. I know it is very difficult for you to deal with those facts. You did manipulation by picking few bad looking Jews and bring this as example. But we both know that this is manipulation.
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@tasm1411 This is response i got from Israeli who little bit watched our discussion @Leonid Shnaider One has to live and experience life in Israel with constant terrorist threats...to know what really is possible by way of peace.... 100% agree with you. Nothing can be achieved with derogatory comments made by "journalist" who think that they are the ones who dictate and formulate our country's policies and citizens lives
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@tasm1411 A lot of links to articles you send me not working. Haarets premium i don't have an access. Gradian some articles i can't see. It is funny that you bring reference to article to prove your point from 2011. And in article it says that Israel permitted entrance of some items. How desperate someone should be to refer to article written in 2011 and the situation depicted in article has zero relevance today. No single Palestinian In Gaza died from blockade. And you again failed to mention that Gaza has border with Arab , Muslim country called Egypt. Guy who wrote the article also failed to mention this "small" fact. Israel let thousands of cancer patients from Gaza to enter Israel to get cancer treatment from Israeli doctors. There is very little items on blockade list . Very very few.
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mccolock maq The question for referendum is not relevant. UN made decision in 1948. Arabs refused and started genocidal war against Jews. They could have their own state in 1948. WIthout any refugees. When you start the war expect to lose territory and expect that your population will become refugees. In the same time 12 million German become refugees and nobody care and nobody talk about this . You never spoke with Jews who were expelled from Arab countries. They were beaten, humiliated, killed. In Iraq Nazi style laws were introduced. In 1967 president Nazer ordered all Jews to leave Egypt. Base on your logic Israel should expel its Arab citizens because of conflict with Palestinians. That is what you're implying with your reasoning.
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@tasm1411 Dr Hajo Meyers Is full of Arab propaganda. He also very general in his saying and it is hard to understand to what he is referring. I don't see any problems with destroying homes of terorists who killed Jews. I also don't see any problems with destroying homes that are built illegally. In any Western country if you decide to build home without proper permits your home will be destroyed. Security wall saved thousands of Israeli and Palestinians lives. I believe that those lives have more importance than views of Dr Hajo Meyers. Bombing schools and government buildings? When one country declare war on the other country , other country has a right to bomb government buildings. This is what USA, UK, USSR did with Nazi Germany What kind of depriving water from people Dr Hajo Meyers mean? Israel can supply water to Gaza if they pay money. Israel has no obligation to supply water to Gaza in the same way as Ukraine has no obligation to supply water to Crimea. And Ukraine stopped providing water to Crimea making big crisis of water for people in Crimea. Nobody compares Ukraine to Nazi Germany for this. Israel doesn't supply medicine to Gaza? Really?? First time i read this. Do Israel have to supply medicine to Gaza? Why Dr Hajo Meyers don't blame Egypt as well? Dr Hajo Meyers is full of B.S which he read on leftist media. He didn't live in Israel and his general knowledge is highly superficial. General Golan told very general words about beginning of signs of fascism in Israel. You can't understand what he meant by saying what he said. He was invited for cup of coffer by many Holocaust survivors so he can know their stories. After that he backed off. Nobody knows what he meant by saying his words. Today he is a civilian and he can say anything he wants . And he didn't clarified what he mean by his saying. And again. You love to take opinions of very few people and present it as a proof to your points as it is absolute true. It is just opinion out of thousands of other opinions.
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