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@Yahir Hernandez A socialist complaining about corporatism is hilarious. It's literally part of socialist philosophy.
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Not really.
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And others with knives, bats, fists, etc.
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@Yahir Hernandez You have no idea what the terms that you're using mean, do you?
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@Yahir Hernandez Socialism is about the social ownership of the means of production. Now look up what corporatism means. I'll wait.
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@Yahir Hernandez No. You have no idea what you're talking about. That's corporatocracy, not corporatism. Google is your friend.
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@ArdernMate Self defense is a human right. Property is a human right. Liberty is a human right. Restricting the liberty of someone to purchase or create property useful for self defense is clearly a violation of human rights.
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There's nothing more selfish than the belief that you have the power to control how other people live their lives.
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The issue is that the lib-left ideologies are fundamentally flawed. They will either collapse into lib-right (e.g. true market mutualism) or auth-left (e.g. communism) when attempted on any sort of real scale and complexity (assuming they aren't simply conquered or otherwise destroyed first).
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I bet he drives on public roads too! The audacity of actually participating in the system you find yourself in. Just like I bet those socialists buy things from private companies, the shame!
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@Yahir Hernandez It's literally not the one society agrees on, don't get stubborn and double down on your error. In any case, the reason that corporatocracy arises is the state, not capitalism. The state is the ultimate monopoly which confers monopoly power: that's literally how corporations even came to be.
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@ArdernMate The Bill of Rights doesn't grant people rights, it recognizes rights that people already had. As for life threatening environment... that's everywhere. There is no country on this planet where violent crime does not exist. The United States has healthcare and everyone has the right to seek healthcare. There is a clear difference between a negative right like the right to keep and bear arms and a positive right like the right to receive healthcare. The former doesn't require any coercion while the latter does (no one is going around saying that the right to keep and bear arms means that the government has to buy people guns).
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@billnye69 Yes, it is. I have the liberty to own a gun if I so choose. You lack the authority to impose your will to tell me that I can't.
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@billnye69 I only have a right to point a gun at your face if you are attacking me, in which case yes, my right to defend myself supercedes your right to live. People without guns will happily send people with guns, like police, to impose their will onto others.
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@Carcarcarcar763 No though. A natural monopoly that managed to occur in a free market would be inherently unstable. The ones that we actually see occur are the result of government intervention. Corporations themselves are state fictions that were even granted official monopolies in the early days.
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@justrusty8399 I know what communism advocates for, I'm talking about what communism would actually result in.
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Except that this isn't supposed to be a debate. It's supposed to be socialists and capitalists coming together to understand each other and see if they can find middle ground.
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This wasn't pro gun vs anti gun.
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@billnye69 Desiring liberty is a fault? Okay.
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@brog5330 I wasn't really expecting you to agree, considering your profile picture. (It's certainly true that any civilization can be conquered or destroyed, but some are going to be qualitatively easier to conquer / destroy and/or provide greater incentive for conquest / destruction than others.)
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@billnye69 That's your prerogative, but some of us refuse to be helpless and roll over for criminals.
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Cool, so you're only a socialist if you socially own the means of production with others? Also, lots of people own some of the means of production: it's called stock.
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@mrmarx5395 Nice double standard you've got going on there, requiring specific political ideologies for advocates of capitalism while not requiring specific political ideologies for advocates of socialism. Socialism is also a broad label that applies to many different philosophies, so if we were being consistent we would not label them as socialists but as anarchists, democratic socialists, marxist-leninists, etc.
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@pokahman236 That's not actually true.
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There's a difference between feeling safe and having the ability to actually defend yourself. It's easy to feel safe if you just close your eyes and pretend there are no dangers in this world.
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As an American watching what's going on in Australia, you have your own problems to worry about.
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@atrece175 I don't really like speaking for others, but in general they get this idea in their head that the employer - employee relationship is exploitation, which comes from an outdated understanding of value.
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@cal7589 Many of your fellow Australians cannot make the same claim. Facebook posts promoting protesting deemed "incitement", the protests themselves deemed violations of health orders. Truly dystopian stuff.
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@erinanderson3580 I've seen videos of just how "respectful" police are for civil rights in Australia, so...
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@erinanderson3580 Well that's kind of the point, now isn't it? If people are engaging in civil rights that the state has determined are to be infringed upon and the police go along with suppressing those rights...
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It is. Why do you think there are shooting sports?
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@thanos8638 "Anything that isn't communist propaganda is alt-right propaganda"
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@Bob-sx7iv It worked pretty well when the colonists rebelled against the crown and founded the United States. You can keep trying to sell your authoritarianism, but we aren't buying.
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@rean2276 As opposed to useful idiots for socialist systems.
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@TychoKingdom The idea that every aspect of life and every product or possession should be regulated is some dystopian nonsense. It's really the other way around: most aspects of life aren't and shouldn't be regulated, they are just normal interactions with other consenting individuals that the government gets no say in.
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@wthisgoingon__4300 Nope.
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Nobody completely understands the entirety of capitalism. That's part of the premise: no individual can know enough to implement a central plan, so each individual just plans for themselves.
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@Bob-sx7iv It makes you look ridiculous when you have no idea what you are talking about.
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@Maksie0 Yeah see, that's not voluntary, that's coercion, and it's what socialists engage in all the time when they argue for more programs funded through taxation or for seizing the means of production by force. If you don't want to sell your labor, your alternative is to be either self-sufficient or rely on the charity of others. Everything else is selling your labor. People who are self-employed are still selling their labor. People who are employed at worker coops are still selling their labor. To get something of value from others, you provide something of value in exchange.
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@Maksie0 Who decides what the "full value" of your labor is if not the buyer and seller? If the worker valued their labor higher than the compensation offered, then they wouldn't agree to the exchange and would instead seek to sell their labor elsewhere. Business owners are not roaming the streets picking up workers at gunpoint, workers come in and apply for jobs with business owners. Capitalism at its most fundamental is just voluntary exchange in a system that recognizes property rights.
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Right... because when your goal is to change people's minds to support a different system, the way to do that is to be an arrogant ass yeah? Mimi got all of 2,704 votes when he ran for President.
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@nataliag6885 You are ultimately responsible for your own protection. At the end of the day, any systems from society are just supplements, not replacements. It is only reasonable to not trust them, and any system that actually had the power to keep you perfectly protected would be the system that you should trust least of all.
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Yes, the Australian government very much cares about your safety. So much so that they'll arresting you for posting on Facebook to support protests about how very very safe they've been keeping you during the pandemic, as well as arresting you for protesting itself of course. For your safety.
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@cal7589 You know who still has guns in Australia? The police.
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@timothygriffith2740 "Your "rights" were just made up and are quite literally whatever the government at any given time dictates as a right....right?" False. Rights are part of human nature. The notion that rights come from government is incoherent as then people wouldn't have had the right to form governments in the first place, plus the conclusion would then be that any and every decree of any government would be just. " There are already TONS of restrictions and limitations on several of your "rights"." Correct, the government does infringe on human rights on a regular basis. This is not an argument for the government to infringe more, but rather an argument to make them stop.
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It's so annoying that socialists don't want to deal with real facts that depict what happens after socialist revolutions. Socialism is inherently at odds with individual liberty.
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See you on the battlefield I guess.
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Communication when the 1st amendment was written: letters sent by rider on horseback. You're talking about people who engaged in an armed revolution against their government. They knew what they were doing.
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@mrmarx5395 Which definition you are going by is driven by opinion and you clearly wanted to share your opinion on how these terms should be used. Also, as you admitted yourself, not all proponents of capitalism are neoliberals and you failed to address how socialism encompasses a wide range of different philosophies.
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Guns are literally how we gained our independence. As for defending ourselves, what do the people protecting your politicians use to defend them, strong language?
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