Comments by "Nanofuture87" (@Nanofuture87) on "Pro-Choice vs Pro-Life: Can They See Eye To Eye? | Middle Ground" video.

Anti-choice people similarly fail to see human beings as individuals with moral worth, taking away the rights of women and reducing them to mere incubators rather than human beings with bodily autonomy.
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@OsirusIrdia There is a problem with murdering a fetus, but a woman who evicts a fetus from her body is not committing murder.
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That's an irrelevant question. If it's part of the woman's body, then clearly she can do as she wants with it. If it's a separate human, then it doesn't have a right to use the woman's body without her consent.
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@Humanity Galatica Considering that you'd likely accept that people could be forced to reproduce if it was deemed good for the collective, I don't really care about your idea of sanity.
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Imagine being against free speech.
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@Humanity Galatica And give the people who control what speech is allowed the power to spread propaganda unchecked by criticism? No thanks.
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That is an option, yes. Being pro-choice doesn't mean being pro-abortion, it means that it's up to the woman to make the choice.
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The where life begins debate is not actually relevant. Even if you grant that the fetus is a human being with all the rights that come with being a person, a person doesn't have the right to use another person's body without consent.
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@solomonstonesandjewelry2354 What I mean by that is that the baby doesn't have a right to use the mother's body.
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@Humanity Galatica If you really believe that, then sell everything you own beyond the bare minimum to keep yourself alive and use the proceeds to feed the hungry while dedicating yourself to charity work.
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@Humanity Galatica So have you devoted your entire being to "ending slavery"? Why are you here talking to me on YouTube? The result is still the same: you should give up all your possessions and utterly devote yourself to your cause. Anything else is putting choice before life.
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@Humanity Galatica How does talking to me on YouTube take down the evil system? If you're so devoted as you claim to be, what are you actually doing? That you're just a teenager explains a lot: fascism certainly is an edgy ideology.
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@Humanity Galatica Ah yes, the old "raising awareness" thing: a way to feel like you're doing something even though you really aren't. How's that been going for you? You certainly haven't convinced me. Texting with anonymous strangers on the internet really is not a good way to change people's minds, especially if they radically disagree with you.
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@danedds1068 Pregnancy does not reduce women from being human. Forcing women to be pregnant does. It's a wonderful thing when a woman wants to be pregnant, when she carries a child because she consented to do so. It's not so wonderful a thing when a woman is forced to be pregnant, when she carries a child because she is threatened with forceful reprisal if she chooses otherwise.
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@danedds1068 The biological process of getting pregnant does not involve consent, no. A woman does not have control over her biology in that way. It is being forced onto people if you say that a woman is going to be punished if she chooses to not be pregnant.
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@danedds1068 There is no intent involved, but the biology of implantation occurs from both the woman's body and the fetus. The fetus has no right to be there, thus the woman may have it evicted. If the fetus is viable and can survive eviction, then it should be removed alive. If the fetus is not viable and cannot survive eviction, then unfortunately it's going to die. As medical technology improves, the ability of a fetus to survive eviction (e.g. through induced labor) will improve.
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@danedds1068 I don't know how you reach that conclusion. I'm treating the fetus as a full human being with all the rights of being a person, not as a tumor. If I were to attach myself to your body, you would be well within your rights to have me removed. Human beings determine their own subjective purposes in life and must be free to do so, that is part of being human. It is not the "purpose" of a woman to bear children just as it is not the "purpose" of a man to father children. A woman can no more be forcefully compelled to use her womb to house a fetus than a man can be forcefully compelled to provide sperm.
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@danedds1068 Abortion is not a "penalty" just as being pregnant is not a "penalty." Giving birth to a child is not and should not be a punishment that we force upon women as a consequence of having sex. Pregnancy can result from either consensual actions or non-consensual actions, but neither imply consent to bear a child. The act of having sex, fertilization, and implantation are different events. If you choose to drive a car, there is a risk that you will get into an accident and be injured. We do not then say that you must simply live with that injury and only have natural healing because you chose to drive the car: you are free to seek medical treatment. The womb was not designed at all, it evolved naturally. What biological functions it can serve are not particularly relevant as it is up to the individual to decide what functions it will serve. If the womb ultimately ends up just being something that sheds its lining once a month, then so be it. No one has the right to tell you how your body is to be used. If you don't like something about your intestines, you are free to have something done about it. They're your intestines and no one else's.
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@danedds1068 I call it eviction. The child is not being taken to court, restitution is not being demanded of it, it is not being sent to prison, it is simply being made to leave a place where it has no right to be. Consensual pregnancy is not an imposition, merely forced pregnancy as I have told you repeatedly now. Consent is the difference between employment and slavery, between making love and being sexually assaulted. It's a great thing when a woman who wants to bring a child into the world does so. It is not a great thing when a woman is forced to bring a child into the world under coercion. Your continued mischaracterizations and assertions that you know the way that I view things are not an an argument. I do not view manhood as the "default state" as I have brought up that men also cannot be forcefully compelled to be fathers. Just as the functions that the womb can serve are not relevant, the functions that the penis can serve are also not relevant.
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@Humanity Galatica Other people in the world don't require your consent to engage in capitalism.
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@Humanity Galatica So then what are you complaining about?
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Only in the same sense that a woman doesn't have a right to say if another woman should get an abortion. In the broader sense, it's absurd to say that a person has no right to weigh in on an issue because of their gender.
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@Humanity Galatica No one has a right to use someone else's body.
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@Humanity Galatica If the individual doesn't matter, then you don't matter and your opinion can be discarded.
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@Humanity Galatica Whether you're alive or you're dead, I thoroughly reject your ideology.
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@Humanity Galatica When I die I won't think anything. I'll be dead.
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