Comments by "Byron" (@byron-ih2ge) on "CNA Insider" channel.

  1. the sad part is if the majapahits returned today , they wont be able to recognise their own people because at the end the western and arab influences were able to dominate indonesia, bali is the only one continuing the great legacy of the majapahits
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  2. tell the real name bro , kalinga . it was one of the closest friends of indonesia throughout history
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  3.  @alwanrosyidi3753  no I won't call Indonesia tiny it's pretty big , the unique thing Indonesia did was it took indian culture mixed it with their indigenous beliefs and animism and created an extremely beautiful culture .I just imagine how beautiful it would have looked when the entire country was like bali before the arrival of Islam . A real treasure
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  4.  @SatriaNusantara  its a typical story bro , the demak sultanate burned majority of so much literature the majpahits and others had written and destroyed so many ancient temples
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  5.  @SatriaNusantara  so you are one of those rare javanese hindu?
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  6.  @SatriaNusantara bro i have noticed almost every female in indonesia wears hijab. Its very strange even woman in extremely religious countries like pakistan dont wear hijab to that extent !!
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  7.  @BenjaminMilekowsky  i have learned about the history of that region, bro the demak sultunate is literally the one who killed the majapahit empire and forced the rest of the nobles to flee to bali, yes they have blood relation but that doesnt make it a sucessor
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  8.  @SatriaNusantara  also interestingly your surname i am not sure about that but that word" nusantara " is the sanskrit/indian word for the entire indonesian archipelago (malaysia+indonesia+brunei+singapore). i dont know if indonesians are aware of that
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  9.  @BenjaminMilekowsky  lol i didnt even start the talk about religion 😂, it was ur fellow Indonesian but and i was just trying to understand the what he said about indonesia but some things of what he said is true the demak sultunate destroyed majority of mejapahit's legacy of past 1000s of yrs and forced many javanese into islam .mataram is fine though and can be considered the foundation of modern indonesia
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  10.  @SatriaNusantara  islam has in no way helped in the development of indonesia ,u guys have only faced downfall since the day u accepted islam.
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  11.  @SatriaNusantara  i am an indian , arent javanese muslims? i mean they converted after the majapahit fell?
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  12.  @BenjaminMilekowsky  and btw india has a better diversity than indonesia 😂
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  13.  @SatriaNusantara  persia is slowly returning back to its original form but i didnt know there was a similar movement in indonesia too!!
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  14.  @BenjaminMilekowsky  thats very racist of you, the hindutva nationalists dont represent the entire nation . they r just a minority
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  15.  @SatriaNusantara  ya i know thats there typical mentality
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  16.  @SatriaNusantara  well dont know about other groups of indonesia but the javanese and the sundanese should definitely return back to their native beliefs (indonesian hinduism)culturally while becoming agnostic/irreligious when it comes to religion .
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  17.  @abcddef2112  demak sultunate was responsible for the forceful conversion of the javanese to islam not to mention they were responsible for the destruction of the majapahits and also destroyed much of there literature and architecture. Demak sultunate was probably the only indonesian kingfom which acted like a true islamic sultanate.
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  18.  @SatriaNusantara well i thought there is no blasphemy law in indonesia!!in fact i thought indonesia was one of the few islamic countries were u can leave islam without any repercussions.
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  19.  @SatriaNusantara  well u have any proof about what u say?
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  20.  jeanferdi  just like bhinakka comes sanskrit word bhinnam
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  21.  @abcddef2112  i know about yogyakarta and surakarta they do practice islam mixed with cultural elements but i was talking about common people .
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  22.  jeanferdi  ika comes from the sanskrit word eka
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  23.  @austronesianpride5162  show me the mention of javanese before the indian influence??
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  24.  @Setanyahu  u seriously need to learn history see i dont know about indonesia since majority of the conversions there were indeed peaceful but other than those islands islam has spread by havoc everywhere!!
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  25.  @sanctuaryaddict  if u ever want to return to the way of ur ancestors u can always learn from bali
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  26.  @austronesianpride5162  there is literally just one muslim country in this entire world which is secular voluntarily and thats indonesia , this tolerance is ofc coming from its hindu-buddhist-animist past , its in the native nature of indonesians to perform syncretism so that explains this i guess
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  27.  @austronesianpride5162  so thats an indonesian value not an islamic value
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  28.  @austronesianpride5162  my point is you r as fake as everyone else so stop obsessing of monotheism or saying "look they r making idols then worshipping it" . Abrahamics emphasise on monotheism and abstract worship to prove their superiority and then even cant do that thing properly. So it makes no sense😂
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  29.  @austronesianpride5162  nope so thats again your narrow mindset. I am telling hinduism has everything , take what ur brain likes and move on Monotheist Polytheist Nature worshipper Even agnostic? Hinduism offers the best of evrything ur brain desires..
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  30.  @austronesianpride5162  you arent getting the point it seems lemme explain here r some verses of hindu scriptures for ya "Ekam evadvitiyam" Translation:"He is One only without a second." [Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1] "Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah." Translation: "Of Him there are neither parents nor lord." [Svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9] "Na tasya pratima asti" Translation:"There is no image of Him." [Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19] Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam."  Translation: "His form cant be seen; no one can see Him with the body’s eyes." [Svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20] "shudhama poapvidham" Translation: "He is bodyless and pure." [Yajurveda 40:8] At least you wont call hinduism polytheist now will ya😉 but jokes aside this will ofc make a muslim wonder what the hell r hindus not following this??
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  31. ​ @SatriaNusantara are u balinese ?
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  32.  @austronesianpride5162  bali has more culture than the rest of indonesia combined thats enough to prove the fact i said.also u got it wrong had the majapahits survived u guys wont even fall to colonisation . islam came in and handling diversity isnt something islam is really good at hence dividing you region into small warring kingdoms making them an easy target for colonisers. In fact i am pretty sure sukarno realised this fact hence even today indonesia stands on a majapahit hindu concept" bhinakka tungal ikka"scrap that and try applying islamic concept " i am the truth and others can go to hell" lets see how many days indonesia survives after that 😂. You guys should really thank sukarno he was a real clever man he knew the only way to make sure this diverse nation does not collapse is by modelling the entirety of indonesian state on the majapahit empire
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  33.  @austronesianpride5162  ya islam introduces beautiful things like FGM right?? Making tropical people wear desert clothes?that region had a lot of powerful queens during the hindu-buddhist period wonder how that disappeared post 1500??
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  34.  @austronesianpride5162  maybe today due to islamic influence but as much i have studied original kapityan was absolutely monotheistic thats just not possible.what would u say about FGM though??
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  35.  @radithramadhan8488  just hope that u dont end up as the battleground between india and china
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  36.  @austronesianpride5162  gamelan and keris existed but it went developement under hindu-buddhist period. Same with kapityan it was a very simple concept which went under development during hindu-buddhist period
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  37.  @austronesianpride5162  well many names were non indianised even in hindu-buddhist period. Also u need to consider indian influence wasnt like arab influence , indonesians took it combined it with pre existing Culture and made their own thing out of it. Indian hinduism and indonesian hinduism for example r very different
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  38.  @austronesianpride5162  the indian influence added to your native culture and civilization making it even more powerful, independent , refined and vibrant whereas islam just erases things nothing else.become an arab pseudo-$lave,it was real demotion for indonesia believe it or not
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  39.  @fayaz5960  in fact from an international lvl thats what seperates the two at least for me, malaysia seems to have a more modernist salafi view of islam whereas indonesians seems to stick more to the traditionalist sufi view of islam.
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  40.  @fayaz5960  malaysia yes of course but not indonesia
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  41.  @austronesianpride5162  also the fact u guys r told about kapityan is pure propaganda . kapityan wasnt absolutely monotheistic like islam it was more like one supreme being like in hinduism but ya unlike hinduism kapityan didnt believe in gods just nature , the supreme one is abstract and is nothing but a source of energy but he manifests himself into sun, into rivers , into nature,etc hence the nature was worshipped .the reason of you believing in kapityan being absolutely monotheistic very much seems coming from a pathetic islamic belief that " humans were originally monotheists but then got corrupted and became polytheists"
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  42.  @austronesianpride5162 btw hinduism isnt polytheistic but henotheistic and monotheistic. If you guys arent following real islam anyway so whats the point??
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  43.  @fayaz5960  also when i meant abrahamic i meant whats the ideal philosophy says . indonesia Especially java is still culturally very less islamic , indonesian islam has also syncretised a lot !! Beyond comprehension.
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  44.  @austronesianpride5162  a kapityan guy would nvr say hey ur god is fake my god is real thats 100 percent an abrahamic concept that supremacist idea is carried by no one else
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  45.  @austronesianpride5162  yes hinduism has both henotheistic and monotheistic sects .the monotheistic sects have the same philosophy have starking similarities with kapityan
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  46.  @austronesianpride5162  reports indicate almost half of indonesian women have to undergo FGM. I was telling if u guys r gonna selectively follow islam and not really following islam then whats the point??
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  47.  @austronesianpride5162  because unlike other maddhabs of islam, shafi school of islam which is followed in that region says FGM is compulsory..there is seriosly nothing worse than FGM in this world..
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  48.  @austronesianpride5162  man i am not making random shots here i had researched on "indonesia on before islam and how the change happened"
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  49.  @austronesianpride5162  who said that allah and jesus are often included by india Hindus during worshipping but ya now its rare because the stand of abrahamics is clear to evrybody
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  50.  @austronesianpride5162  nope that doesnt explain our polytheistic nature. Kapityan maybe monotheistic but it wont be like the abrahamics rejecting others because thats not possible.kapityan was like a simpler version of the philosophy followed by monotheistic sects of hinduism
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