Comments by "On The Piss" (@On_The_Piss) on "Why Chile Rejected the World’s Most Progressive Constitution" video.

@FabianJacquin They are not just another minority group. They are indigenous. They were there long before you were. You should respect that. These same lazy, disingenuous arguments are made in my country, regarding our indigenous people. That they are a minority is irrelevant. As colonisers we subjugated them for generations, through lack of education, lack of healthcare, lack of everything - and now we just expect them to suck it up and get on with it? If you had been through generations of subjugation, you would not accept that either. You would fight for equal outcomes. “Equality” is a myth. It simply does not exist in a colonised society - a well off colonial majority ruling over a subjugated and poor indigenous minority is not “equality”. We should instead be working for equity, and equality of outcomes. Indigenous people need a leg up after generations of subjugation, and you just took that away from them in favour of a vision-less status quo from which you benefit.
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@cesarpietrocalathaki9539 Chilean Mestizo as a group did not exist before Spanish colonisation.
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@alastor8091 1. I never said natural born people don’t have rights. This is the problem with people like you. It’s not one or the other. For indigenous people to be given equal opportunities/rights does not mean the opportunities/rights you already enjoy will be threatened. 2. You need only to refer to the dictionary: ‘Indigenous. relating to or being a people who are the original, earliest known inhabitants of a region, or are their descendants.’ 3. If you are not a descendant of the ‘original, earliest known inhabitants’ of your lands/country/continent, then you are not indigenous. 4. “Your people” may have been there for 400 years, but others were there long before “your people” arrived. You are not indigenous.
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@el_naif and what’s required for equal outcomes? Equal opportunities. They are interlinked.
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@cesarpietrocalathaki9539 lol you’re suggesting the Spanish are indigenous to Chile? Ok
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@cesarpietrocalathaki9539 Correct. The Spanish were not the first inhabitants of Chile.
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@visitante-pc5zc You preferred the military dictatorship?
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@alastor8091 That isn’t what indigenous means.
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@alastor8091 Prove me wrong then
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@alastor8091 You didn’t prove anything 🤣
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@alastor8091 I’ve already provided you two definitions. You’ve so far provided a grand total of zero.
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@trentduct2036 Comparing sport and entertainment with people’s lives is a super reasonable argument, well done buddy! 👏 By the way, equal outcomes doesn’t mean the same outcomes for everyone, it means everyone has the same opportunities to succeed.
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@terintiaflavius3349 Except when they’re YOUR historical grievances, and you damn well know it.
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@cesarpietrocalathaki9539 You just argued that 99% of Chileans are “indigenous” 🙄
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@olekatoska1901 And I showed him with data that he’s wrong.
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@joacog.a.5983 About as entitled a response as I’d expect. No, you don’t have any more authority on the subject. A constitution belongs to everybody. Not just lawyers.
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@FabianJacquin Decided based on manipulation and scare-mongering. And lies, apparently.
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@cbor06 Cute anecdotes and lazy generalisations you got there. Just like your lazy generalisation of minorities. Again, proving the point.
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@joacog.a.5983 “as a Chilean lawyer” you have no more credibility or authority on the subject than anyone else, so spare us your condescension please.
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You prefer licking the boots of others
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@yasuke4593 lol equality of outcomes is not a tangible concept that can be measured. It is an ideal we should all be striving for. Do you disagree?
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@yasuke4593 Do you think we have equality of outcomes now?
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@alastor8091 You’re cherry picking your definition too, and you’re putting words in my mouth that I didn’t say. Of course he has a right to say whatever he likes, but he shouldn’t speak for all Chileans, and especially not for indigenous Chileans.
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@alastor8091 Describe “y”. Ps - are you sitting on the toilet right now? 🤦‍♂️
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@alastor8091 Merriam-Webster dictionary definition: ‘Indigenous or less commonly indigenous : of or relating to the earliest known inhabitants of a place and especially of a place that was colonized by a now-dominant group.’ Cambridge dictionary definition: ‘used to refer to, or relating to, the people who originally lived in a place, rather than people who moved there from somewhere else.’ I can’t find a single definition that describes indigenous as simply being “born in a place”.
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@cbor06 minorities are criminals and terrorists, ok. Sorta proving the point of the video, but whatever
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@pampitam Nope, I didn’t say that. I said that “a majority of 59% answered "white", while 25% said "mestizo", and 8% self-classified as "indigenous" when asked what “race” they CONSIDERED THEMSELVES TO BE. Read it again. These aren’t my words, these are Chileans own beliefs.
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@sotch2271 there is a big difference between thousands of years and hundreds of years. Chile declared independence in 1818, that’s a blink of an eye, historically speaking. Effects are still felt from the modern colonisation period.
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@andresfernandezsucks lol no I didn’t, others did. Read the comments in order please. It was actually “Cesar Pietro Calathaki” and “Oleka Toska” above who twisted the discussion into some archaic nonsense about “race” and “pure race”. 🙄 This is about indigenous rights which have nothing to do with “race”.
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@stephenjenkins7971 I assume by your very same logic you are totally in favour of foreign immigration to Europe, then? I mean, it doesn’t matter that Europeans are indigenous, right? They aren’t special, right? Because as you said yourself, “Europeans that used to rule the land are indigenous only by name; no longer in effect. Being of that ethnic group doesn’t make them special nor exceptions be made” That is your belief, is it not? After all, “you might as well be blunt and admit you want to suppress non-indigenous Europeans…” right?
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@cesarpietrocalathaki9539 You were the first person is this thread to use the word “race”, not me. 🙄
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@cesarpietrocalathaki9539 Check yourself. Don’t lie, now.
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@cesarpietrocalathaki9539 Check again. You shifted the conversation onto “mixed race” - your words, not mine.
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@1Mr_Fine Equal opportunities are required for equal outcomes. They are mutually exclusive.
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@cesarpietrocalathaki9539 First inhabitants has nothing to do with “race” so why did you bring “race” into it?
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@cesarpietrocalathaki9539 Which also has nothing to do with “race”. Are you getting it yet?
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@cesarpietrocalathaki9539 🙄
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@cesarpietrocalathaki9539 Israel is a nation state not an ethnicity.
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@cesarpietrocalathaki9539 No thanks. If you base your opinions on YouTube videos then I feel sorry for you.
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@braydenfarrell1177 I'm not sure the argument you're using is supporting your position... "we surpress there language, break up their associations, restrict their access to the airwaves, and arrest their community leaders" in what universe is this a good thing?
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@Andrew-gn9qp So the fact that they are the original owners of the land you’re standing on, had it stolen from them, and went through hundreds of years of racism and subjugation count for nothing? Are you serious? You KNOW if the roles were reversed you’d be fighting for the same justice. 🙄
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