Comments by "UzuMaki NaRuto" (@UzumakiNaruto_) on "Ukraine. Military Summary And Analysis 19.08.2022" video.
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@tomk3732
*Its not a belief - its clearly backed by facts on the ground.
Russian allies are moving forward, Ukraine is sending untrained conscripts to patch holes while Russians are turning these conscripts into meat.*
Please provide links to backup your claims that Ukraine is pushing untrained conscripts to the front to fight for them? I'd really like to read about it myself. So please post the links here if you have them.
Also if you truly believe this is happening, then what does it say about the Russian army that they can't even beat these garbage untrained troops and make some major gains in Ukraine? Even with more equipment and supposedly better trained troops how is it possible that the Russians are still doing so poorly against inferior Ukrainian conscripts?
And how many tanks Ukraine lost then??? Why is it so rare to see these tanks
Ukrainians didn't have many tanks to lose to begin with before the war. They're a much smaller army with much less equipment of all kinds which is why the Russians felt they could take all of Ukraine easily and quickly. They found out this wasn't the case very early in the war and now they're paying the price.
Why would fighting low intensity for Russia conflict be actually so bad? They are fighting in Ukraine, they are moving forward, their costs are minimized, winter is coming, Ukraine is devastated in like 10 different ways.
Its bad because it costs tons of money and resources to keep a large army in the field and fighting. Its much cheaper to finish a war quickly and to send many of your soldiers back home than it is to keep them fighting in the field and having them spend tons of ammo and supplies.
The Russians are doing it now because they have no choice. If they could they would've ended this war long ago.
Again, Ukraine lost the war. They cannot take any land back. They are slowly pushed back while their country has zero investment, millions that run away and possible huge food shortages coming not counting having freezing pp in winter. Without any chance of turning this around its madness to continue. Even if it takes Russia say 2 years to reach Dnieper river they still will get there. They can just fortify and enjoy having 50% of Ukraine. What you say to that - Ukrainian victory?
The Ukrainians have the will to fight and all they need is the equipment and the training to do so. As long as western countries are willing to keep Ukraine supplied and are helping them get better then they can't ever lose. Russia would have to throw much more forces into Ukraine to make major gains there, otherwise the Ukrainians can just wait until they get stronger and better trained before they launch a major offensive or if worst comes to worst they can be like the Taliban and outlast the Russians until they tire of losses and of war.
Even today Russia can simply stop. They can just liberate Donbass and stop. What is Ukraine going to do? Seriously - how many years they can keep fighting without moving forward while expense for Russia is minimal?
As I said above the expense for Russia IS NOT minimal as its very expensive to keep a army fighting in the field. This isn't going to turn into the Donbas fight the past 8 years where each side fires a few artillery shells against each other everyday. Its going to be continued large scale warfare until one side gives up and I really doubt the Ukrainians will give up as long as they receive support from around the world.
If I were the Ukrainians I would at most only give up the Donbas and Crimea areas in negotiations for peace and have the borders return to pre-war lines. That's it. Everything else must be given back to the Ukrainians or else the war goes on forever and I don't think the Russians can last forever especially with all the tanks, armored vehicles, helicopters, fighter aircraft they've lost and all the advanced weapons they've used up like guided missiles. You can't build those things overnight and it gets even harder when the sanctions are in place that can hurt you long term.
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@pite9
The idea that Russia would attack with the intent to collapse the government, without having a plan B is crazy talk. Putin would never agree to a plan like that. Putin is an incredibly thorough and responsible person. He's not someone who wouldn't cover his flanks, especially not for something this big, which will define his legacy. If you've paid attention to his actions and politics over the last 20 years you'd know this.
Well in this case he and his military staff were completely wrong. His plan was always to take all of Ukraine and getting rid of Zelensky and replacing him with a Lukashenko type of leader that would be his ally and do as he asked when needed.
If he and his staff didn't grossly overestimate the ability of Russian forces and severely underestimate the Ukrainians will and ability to resist he wouldn't be stuck in this mess right now.
The south did flip over to Russia. Russia destroyed Ukraine's main army during those first 2 weeks in the north. It's Ukraine's army that got crippled, not Russia's. Meanwhile they set up their positions in Donbass and encircled Mariupol. All of this happened very quickly before Ukraine got the chance to properly defend the south and Mariupol, or organize their northern forces properly. So all 3 fronts were very important and successful. The north could have went more smoothly and I'm sure they made some bad decisions along the way, but overall it wasn't a failure.
The south was definitely where the Russians saw the most success and from some reports I've read it might've been helped by some Ukrainian sympathizers although who knows how many and how effective they might've been, but definitely the UA forces weren't as prepared in the south as they should've been and that's where they lost the most territory.
Also even though Mariupol was a defeat and Ukraine lost some very good units in the fight, they did do their job in delaying Russians from further advancing towards Odessa and now that city is completely out of reach. The north however was a complete disaster and there's no sugar coating that one.
The idea that Kiev would back down and welcome Russia, like in Crimea is crazy. You clearly have no clue about the regional politics of Ukraine and where their political and cultural loyalties lies. Crimea was a russian state within Ukraine. Everybody with a basic understanding of Ukraine knew this, and we also knew that Kiev was staunchely anti-Russia, and most definately would go to war in the event of an invasion.
Who said anything about Ukrainians welcoming the invading Russians? The idea was to implement their own version of shock and awe in launching a quick attack into Kiev to either kill, capture or chase away Zelensky and his government. Imagine if that actually happened how different the war might've turned out?
With Zelensky staying in the country that perhaps changed the war significantly in that Ukrainian morale and will to fight was maintained if not boosted and just as importantly if not moreso it convinced western countries that sending more military aid to Ukraine made sense rather than it being wasted. If Zelensky flees or is killed, I question that the west would be so eager to pour so many resources into helping UA forces to continue the fight.
Who knows maybe even if Zelensky is removed the Ukrainian people might continue to fight, but how long can they do so if they're not supplied by the west? The point is the Russians threw a hail mary to try and make this invasion short and sweet and they failed and now they're stuck.
In fact I'm sure that if Zelensky had agreed to some deal early on, the US neocons would have made sure to remove him by any means necessary, replacing him with someone who was willing to fight against Russia. Ukraine was setup to play this part.
How could Ukraine 'play their part' if Russia didn't go insane and invade in the first place? No one wanted Russia to invade and yet they did it anyways and now they're paying the price. Hopefully that price will be so large that it will be many years before they can do something like this again and that you can't go rogue like this and not expect the world to react.
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