Comments by "UzuMaki NaRuto" (@UzumakiNaruto_) on "The Armchair Historian"
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@conayinka
There's been many states past and present with a homogeneous black African makeup that gave been successful. Nubia had advanced civilization before Egypt, and is likely where Egyptian society sprouted from.
When you say some African nations were 'advanced' you really mean they were advanced relative to their neighbors in their region and NOT relative to other nations around the world. Its why when they did eventually come into contact with the rest of the world that Africans quickly found out that weren't very advanced at all compared to other parts of the world.
European civilization comes from the Romans who got it from the Greeks who got it from the near East. Europeans greatest strength has nothing to do with mental capacity, it's simply the limitless cultural diffusion that the Mediterranean sea provides to their societies, and then the relative ease it can be spread past that because of how easily accessible the rest of Europe is.
Disagree. It has EVERYTHING to do with mental capacity. When you come into contact with other people and nations, yes there can be trade and an exchange of ideas, inventions, knowledge etc., but here's the thing. You have to have the brains and the desire to learn and get educated and soak up all that knowledge and then take it and make use of it. That requires mental capacity and it requires hard work.
For example several centuries ago lets say a foreigner just showed up in your village by the ocean one day on a great sailing ship and gave you the complete plans on how to build a ship exactly like theirs so that you too could sail the seas like them.
Well that's great isn't it? You don't even have to draw up your own plans on how to build such a ship when the plans have been given to you and all you have to do is follow those plans and that's it. But that's the thing, you have to be INTELLIGENT ENOUGH to figure out what those plans mean and then how to put them to use properly every step of the way so that eventually you end up with a ship that's similar to what that foreigner who gave you the plans had.
The point is if you don't have the mental capacity and desire to learn, then those plans are completely meaningless to you where they would be gold to other more intelligent people who could decipher what those plans mean, follow the design and directions and build a ship from those plans.
So far as we've seen, we've rarely if ever seen Africans being able to learn and become educated to a high degree on a large scale the way much of the rest of the world has been able to do so. Sure there are a number of Africans who do become educated and go on to have great careers and such, but relatively speaking those are few and far in between.
Now compare it to Africa where there's a big fucking desert stopping cultural diffusion from occurring until camels began to be widely used.
Here's the thing. Aren't there a number of African communities who live by the oceans surrounding the African continent? Instead of going through the desert, why didn't they build ships and sail AROUND the desert and trade and exchange information with other civilizations like many other people did at the time?
This is what many communities and nations did that eventually led to trade with others that increased prosperity so why didn't Africans do more of this when they often already lived by the ocean? Even if they weren't capable of building larger ships that could sail entire oceans to other continents, they could've still build smaller ships and boats that could traverse coastal waters all around them to explore and make contact with other people and trade and gain knowledge that they could then bring back home and analyze and learn and eventually become more advanced.
So yes a desert was an obstacle, but it was an obstacle that could be overcome if you had the desire to overcome it. So why didn't Africans do this on a large scale and become more advanced?
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@jonathanviera1589
1. Kanem Bornu, Kingdom of Kongo, Great Zimbabwe, the Somalian Sultanates, kingdom of Kanem, Kingdom of Kush, Swahili Coast, Ethiopian Empire, Wolo Empire, Kingdom of Luba, Mutapa, Hausaland, Ghana Empire, Mali Empire and Songhai Empire.
Pretty much everyone you mentioned here were at best regional powers that were the biggest players in their own backyard. None of these African civilizations were very significant on the world stage and none of them accomplished anything that was hugely significant to the world that is still talked about to this day.
The Romans created roads, aqueducts and many other structures that still exist to this day. They created one of the world's greatest civilizations and had an eternal impact on the course of human history. I'm looking at any of the African empires you listed and none of them had any kind of impact that's anywhere near what the Romans had on humanity.
I think the best way to put it would be like an athlete being the best at an event in their own country and then going to the Olympics and competing against the best athletes in the world in that same event and then finding out that there's a huge difference between being the best in your nation and being the best in the world.
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@XandateOfHeaven
This narrative that Rhodesia was a modern state and economy is a lie based on Rhodesian propaganda which only showed the lives of wealthy English landowners, which ignoring the 90% of the population which was poor.
It is possible for a nation to be considered civilized, modern and advanced and still have regions and groups of people living in it that are poor and are struggling.
Just look at the US where its the most economically powerful nation on earth and yet there's still tens of millions of people who are still living in poverty or at least below middle class standards. The thing is that in the US much like in most every other western nation, its almost always the same demographics of people that are struggling financially and socially.
The reality is that Rhodesia in 1979 was poorer than Zimbabwe is today, and it's people were less literate and lived shorter lives. Calling Rhodesia civilized is like saying Brazil is civilized because a few wealthy people in Rio have comfortable lives, while ignoring the vast slums.
Rhodesia in 1979 might be 'poorer' overall than present day Zimbabwe, but you don't mention the fact that its extremely likely that if white Rhodesians were still in charge today, Rhodesia would likely be far more prosperous overall and much more wealthy and better off than present day Zimbabwe.
Why? Because white Rhodesians would be continually working towards bettering and improving their nation unlike the leaders of Zimbabwe that stole from its people and squandered its money and managed the country poorly to what it is present day. So the people living in present day Rhodesia would likely be far more better off than those living in present day Zimbabwe, even including the black population.
I live in Canada and its the same thing here. The country and its people are generally doing OK and for some very well, HOWEVER despite living in a modern, civilized nation its ALWAYS been native and black people who are doing the absolute worst overall in this country. If Canada wasn't still run and maintained mostly by people of European heritage, it wouldn't be the nation it is today, it would be a wreck.
Africans and native people despite being given the same opportunities to prosper and succeed as every other demographic of people living here, STILL consistently fail in lifting themselves up even after decades of help. Its like they want everything handed to them on a silver platter forever.
I think that would be the case of a present day Rhodesia where its not the white Rhodesians who are preventing African Rhodesians from improving and bettering themselves, but rather many of them having little to no desire to put in the work to do so much like black and native people in Canada. The opportunity is there for them, they just choose not to take it and instead make more destructive life choices than everyone else.
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