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@mary_canary I believe what he is politely and kindly trying to say is: the majority of women pay lip service to what you just said, but the honest to goodness truth is Women RARELY do what you just said they(or you) do. women KNOW they have to SAY what you said: ie everyone is wonderful, everyone is special, . But unless you or anywoman actually DOES CONSISTENTLY what she says, and other people can see it, it is simply lip service. Most of the women I have dated and watched up close ALSO said what you said, but almost never did it UNLESS they knew they were being watched & graded on it. So, unless you give an opportunity to a man who may check some of your boxes, but isnt the sexiest or wealthiest or he doesnt offer social status, chances are you wont be happy with him, though you might settle for him. thereby, contradicting what you publically say you want or will do. There is SO much to this, its very difficult to some it up in short sentences. Sorry they are SO long, but honesty rather dictates it.
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No they arent! Dishonest people-pleasers are dishonest people-pleasers. WOMEN are dishonest people-pleasers! Nice guys are men who are trying to straddle 2 different environments with 2 different standards and falling short in both.
The BEST bad-analogy i can suggest is, being taught the rules of America football and the rules of soccer, having the field and the players look similar, then while playing the games, changing the rules during the game. BUT No one tells you the rules have changed UNTIL you have committed a penalty violating the rules! So there is a constant anxiety of which game we are playing so which rules we should be following, football or soccer? I admit, not a perfect analogy but the best one I could think of in 10 seconds. I have seen jerks get away with being jerks, then when the nice guy tries the SAME behavior, get screamed at for it! Once you are labeled a jerk, you get a pass for being a jerk; once you are labelled a nice guy, you are expected to be a nice guy! 2 different standards! We ALSO treat men & women different and call it equality! LOL
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@Ladeliciadelinda You are absolutely correct in saying that there are a minority of women who are good, kind and devoted women. i will agree with you! i believe i have met them, but they were already married! LOL Men, just like women, are vying for the creme de la creme of the opposite gender, and feeling VERY FRUSTRATED in the search. If we are speaking on anecdotes, my experience about women leaning more so than men is completely different than yours! from what I learned from sexual sociology, women determine the baseline they will accept (to permit sexual access) and men try to adapt to that baseline or get close to it and trick women into accepting it. So men tend to be the reactive party and therefore the ones who MUST learn if they hope for sexual access. A lot of my journey down this path is thanks to Rollo Tomassi & Rian Stone. They are not scientists, but are aggregators of the info that is out there and they have favorite scientists that they draw from (whose names escape me now that I need them! LOL)
I REALLY appreciate you honesty and your willingness to be some what sympathetic. its VERY refreshing to experience AND makes your statement that their are good women even more believable, because . . you were willing to be when you didnt have to be. I am sorry your situation didnt work out, but with your level of maturity and your kind heart i see abundant success in YOUR future!
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Men hate women precisely because we wont get families or if we get them they will be taken away from us. WHY DOES IT BOTHER YOU THAT WE HATE YOU? figure out why Men HATE you, then solve that problem first! BUT NO ONE wants to be better people themselves, they want OTHERS to change, and to stop hating! Sorry, the people who are hated, most have earned being hated and NOW they must sit with us and enjoy the hate they created! STOP BEING A JERK (not you specifically, but people complaining about hate) and people wont hate you! Thats a lot easier condition to fix then to shame people for hating, dont you think?
Now, I do feel sympathetic to the women who have had a BAD ride in life just like we men have! You women TEND to be the better women of the rotten lot, that i have met, and I am usually supportive of you. Yes, i wish there was a good way that leftover men & leftover women could work together. How can we make this happen?
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You are EXACTLY right: you certainly did not understand his point! Lets use the sex analogy. Would you rather talk about sex, or do sex? Obviously, you and the other person must be on the same page about if and when sex could happen, but must you both sit down, with each your own lawyer and draw up a business agreement on who, what, when, where, why, and how of sex? Do you need to write up the contingencies should the biz agreement not be fulfilled as written? When you finally did get to do sex, how good do you think it will be after you have just about talked it to death at that point? have you ever been with a person where you didnt even talk about sex, but it seemed to spontaneously happen? Wasnt that a lot more fun, then negotiating it out? I realize this seems like an extreme example, but there are people who are neurotic like this, and often times women are neurotic like this about their relationships! So i think the short answer is: do the least amount of talking one must do to make necessary things happen, then let things play out organically on their own. Dont feel like you have to feel like a sports commentator, where you have to give a play by play, or an in depth analysis, replete with charts, bar graphs and win probabilities.
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It doesnt break down, you just failed to understand! men do NOT want take care of another mans progeny! if he invests in a woman, his safety, hard work & health, he wants to ensure those kids are HIS, and not Chad Thundercoque's. Its basically mate guarding. Women mate guard too, and hate it that his time and money is being spent on another woman and NOT her! she wants exclusivity to his time, energy and resources. All your nonsense about Brave New World has nothing to do with the facts as we understand them now!
I dont think you are in a position to tell others how to run their affairs, bub! besides, do you understand what an analogy is? An analogy is a comparison of 2 things in order to explain or clarify. a correspondence or partial similarity. it is NOT a one for one, but thats how you took it.
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There is a VERY easy way to test this theory of yours, in order to prove you wrong! Next time a Red Piller makes a hateful assertion about women, ask the man if he 'personally' has ever experienced it? Ask if he knows anyone in real life who has experienced it, AND ask him how many stories, including his own, has he heard regarding this. PLEASE DO THIS! EVERY MAN has at least ONE testimonial to show women behaving badly, although most of us have seen fathers, brothers, friends and others experience this! We arent simply buying a bunch of hateful lies, the way women do! We are NOT like women, who exist in MAKE-BELIEVE! Men expect other men to prove what they say! All men have testimonials, and those that dont, buy all your bull crap & apologize for women. So, are you going to conduct this experiment like i asked? i didnt think so! 😅😅😅
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Being invisible to women isnt the good deal it may seem. if you arent interested in a romance, this is fine. but women still employ these mentalities in friendships, professional relations and the other types. You WANT to learn these games so you can work them to your benefit in ALL other aspects of life, besides romance! I have gotten free food at my favorite restaurant, from women, by doing this stuff accidentally (not intentionally). it may sound strange, but i dont want to write a mini-novel than no one cares to read anyway, to explain it. If you saw how average looking I am, and to learn even some women value me, you will appreciate that YOU can do this just as well if not better than me. Do the hard work; learn these techniques, apply them but dont be too personally invested in the outcome (yet). In time, you will reap rewards!
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