Comments by "Gabor Rajnai" (@gaborrajnai6213) on "Binkov's Battlegrounds"
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From worst to best.
T90 is basically a combination of the best parts of a T-72 (very good and robust, yet easy to service and cheap suspension, hull, engine and transmission) and the best parts of the T80 (Turret, fire control, and sights)
It still suffers the same faults in the vulnerability of ammo in the auto-loader.
The 125mm on it is the Same as the T-80 and proven insufficient to penetrate most western MBTs frontally even at 500 meters with tungsten ammo. The British bought some in 1992 through a third party and thoroughly tested them, then they passed some on to the Americans which we tested “Extensively” and then we passed the ones we didn’t ruin to the Germans who shortly there after began an upgrade program to their Leopards. I had the good fortune of taking part in that last round of tests. The gun launched ATGM is a band aid to help engage targets at over 3000 meters as the main gun elevation isn’t sufficient to shoot HEAT rounds past that range. In every other respect, they are inferior to a HEAT round, with the added drawback that the tank must remain stationary and exposed during the whole long flight time of the missle at that range.
Later on in 2000, we did get to buy a fresh T-90 (Called a T-72BU back then) from defecting troops in Chechnya, The reactive armor was good, stopping TOW and Dragon missles. The rest was minor improvements over the T-80. At only 48 tons it is the lightest of the bunch but simple physics tells you that there just isn’t enough mass of armor there to stop a modern APFSDS round, Composite armor, while somewhat lighter than the equivalent thickness of RHA, is still very heavy, the primary benefit being that you don’t need to have a meter thick front turret to have well over a meter thickness RHAe. Were it 1.5 times as effective as The DU armor on an M1 (And it is most definitely not) The T-90 just cannot cary enough at that weight to be as well protected.
The Leopard 2A4 Proved vulnerable to the T-80s gun hence the Rapid Modernization of most European Leo 2’s to 2A5 and Later 2A6 standard in the mid- late 90s and the willingness of the Germans to fire sale 2A4s to anyone with the cash. The Germans refuse to use DU ammo and found out their tungsten ammo had difficulties with the T-80 front turret at 1500m+, leading them to add barrel length to the gun (55 vs 44 lengths) to combat this. The additional Applique armor on the 2A5 proved capable of holding up to the 3BM48 depleted Uranium 125mm APFSDS.
So of course the Ex-American Tanker picks the M1 right, If you are going to accuse me of jingoism, you may want to stop reading now.
Well I actually was there and got to watch as a 3BM48 failed to penetrate both a Challenger 2 and an M1A1 at 1000m then again at 500m frontally. It was able to penetrate both tanks from side shots at 1000m which was concerning.
Kontakt 5 reactive armor did prove to be able to disrupt an M829A2 sabot round 1 out of 3 times to the point that full penetration of the front turret was not possible, leading to the development of the M829A3 round which was designed specifically to defeat this type of armor.
Mobility goes to the M1 as well, it’s governed speed is the lowest of the 3, but that is really to protect the tracks, top road speed is a useless figure in combat Acceleration is the key, getting you from one spot of cover to the next. The only tank I have ever seen out accelerate an M1 is a T80- That’s it. It will out accelerate the Leo 2 and the heavier 2A5 or 2A6 regularly as well as the T90, though admittedly the T-90 scoots very well, out-running the Leo 2A5.
The M256 L/44 120mm did fine with old M829A2 APFSDS penetrating nearly 70% of the time at 2500 meters with ERA, and 100% without at 3000 meters.
Sadly, we were not allowed to test M1 vs Leo vs Challenger 2, and to be honest I would not want to get hit by a HESH round from a Chally-period.
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Rockets will fall to Kiev this christmas, and next chrismas, and the chrismas after, and the christmas 10 years from now, it will continue as long as there is a glimpse of chance that Ukraine will join NATO. There wont be electricity, food, heating, your soldiers wont get any money, they will just die on the fronts. NATO has moved on years ago, sometimes they send a van with food, or a dozen of rockets as charity. Joe Biden makes sad faces in his presidential library as an ex president, for the lost Ukrainian generation, while his successor will have a dont talk about Ukraine directive, or a dont sink money into that pit directive. Zelensky will live on his Florida apartment, as an observant who forgot even that Ukraine exists. Anti immigrant feeling will get stronger in Europe, they slowly start to deport back Ukrainian refugees. Corruption will run rampant, money will worth nothing. Thats the future of the winners.
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@ackwebde Well, Gustve Prien in his good days went in into Scapa Flow, and sank 3 battleships there. Does that lucky shot made the British navy not to send out its fleet? We all know, that Russians aren't really afraid of the Ukries, why would they, they literally have nothing in the sea to counter them. Also HARM wont help out Ukraine too much, their target aquisition radars aren't even in Ukraine, and their AA batteries are operating on networked mode, so they can't be spotted just when they fire. I would still remind anyone, but this time its not NATO fighting some Serbs with limited AA capacities, its Russia, which actually have more AA capacities, than NATO itself. Plus a 1000 airplane. So 190 S-300 battery 400 BUK battery and a few thousand manpad and 1000 airplane can't stop 300 F16, lets be a little bit skeptical about that.
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Well, the US can get away with money creation, because Saudis, Europeans, Japanese, Koreans, and even the Chinese are all financing it. Thats not a normal economic process forever, it is the case since the Bretton woods system was replaced in the 70s with petrodollar. From that on US puts its deficit on foreign nations, who are paying the debt for having a stable world system. The problem is the US thinks it can go to isolationism. Well, it can, but then foreign investment would dry up, everyone would only accept a money backed by raw materials or manufactured products and not dollars. @Rägarded
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Shall I ask why do you think that Rusians wouldn't use their navy in such a situation, and let Ukrainian imaginary fighterjets to cross the Black sea, and wouldn't use their firepower to suppress advancing Ukrainian troops from the sea? Also you make an argument, that a 1000 strong Russian airforce can't break through ukrainian AD, and after that you argue, that with 300 F-16's ukrainians could break through Russian AD, we see how nonsensical that is. BTW using ORYX data is kindof unprofessional, those numbers are highly questionable, rather considered as war propaganda. We have more reliable sources regarding to this, such as the MOSSAD, which reports are actually somewhat supported by other casualty calculations.
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@DavidSmith-yi8ou Yep, we can do it, and the Russians can use their tactical nukes. So then we spent billions to send them a tank bataillon, which will be wiped out by a 100.000 USD worth of warhead. It was always on the table, in the cold war, when NATO did not have the numbers they did have the Davey Crockett nuke launchers. Lets be realistic, Ukraine cant win this conflict, because Russia is way more devoted to win than we are. I think the only solution is to modify the NATO charter and explicitly state, that it can't go easwards, and in tandem get a promise form Putin, that he won't block Ukraine-s EU membership. That way it won't be NATO sphere of influence, but won't be Russian sphere of influence too, it will be a neutral middleground.
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@pekkoh75 Yeah an F35 can land at anywhere since it has a VTOL capability if you order with it, but you cant service an F35 anywhere, so the problem remains, meanwhile the Gripen comes with a road mobile service station. To preserve its capabilities it has to be recoated after pretty much every 10 sorties in a dedicated facility. So yeah, if you have to fly some specialized stealth missions in highly contested airspace, then the F35 rules, although even that is not a mission type which cant be done cheaper with a simple stealthy cruise missile. In a battle of attrition, it will fly its 10 sorties and stuck on ground, or will be as good as any regular jet would be. Its an excellent force multiplier, especially if you have the advantage to begin with, but I dont think its wise to be used as the backbone of any airforce, its simply a too needy jet to do that.
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@warlock64c Well, T-34 was indeed copied by the Germans to their Panther tank, while they called the Shermans lighers, because it was so easy for them to kill. And there is a reason why the allies waited for 1.5 years in Britain before even have a try to make D-day, because before that Germans could repel them easily. Yeah in Italy no suprise, that Italy was a second rank theater, and the bulk of the invasion happened in France, Where they had to face, mainly hitlerjugend guys, russian POW's rerecruited from concentration camps, and above aged pop with the fighting quality of a poorly trained militia, meanwhile the elite panzer troops were fighting in Russia. If Brits would be good against the real thing, they wouldnt have to swim across the channel when the germans beated the crap out of them at Dunkerque.
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@Last555555555 They have total control over the seas my friend, but Ukrainians could show off that they send out any vessel to the sea and it isn't blown up by the Russians. So they had a lucky shot for the Moskva, that doesn't mean, that they grew a navy. Remember the Germans did sank the Hood, and the Ark Royale, does that mean, that they won the war, or that it werent the British, who ruled the seas? They were, because they were the ones, who could use surface boats whenever they wanted, while the Germans had to hide from them.
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