Comments by "Cole Behnke" (@colebehnke7767) on "“But Hitler Crushed the Trade Unions!”" video.

  1. But his sources are.
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  2. Did you watch the video? Hitler was a socialist, not a Marxist.
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  3. What are you talking about? Hitler hated the Aristocracy, who do you think stabbed Germany in the back in said theory?
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  4. A corporate state that enforced price controls and centrally determined employment and wages?
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  5. Just like the Soviet Union?
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  6. Wow, socialism doesn’t allow for free unions.
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  7.  @joekopsick1540 the Jews were the enemy, like how the capitalist is the enemy in marxism. They were never promised anything.
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  8. Your talking about marxism there. Every form of socialism call all other forms fake reactionary socialism, Nazism is no different.
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  9.  @PascalSWE  What of the price commissars? What of granting workers partial control over their workplaces via the DAF? What of the suspension of private property? Are you telling me that those aren’t socialist policy? What it looks like to me is that Hitler lied to the industrialists and aristocracy to get into power, because both of those where a lot less comfortable with Hitlers socialist, antisemitic, and racist ideas. Once he took power he slowly ramped up the racism, antisemitism, and socialism. This is additionally confirmed by the fact that Hitler ran multiple times without the help of the industrialists and aristocracy, and it was only when he was basically out of money that he turned to them. And the Marxist thing. Nazism wasn’t Marxism, but they are both socialism. Hitler himself admits that if you took out the racism, Nazism would just be Marxism. Why Hitler hates Marxism is because he doesn’t believe in the class conflict, be believed in the race conflict, the class conflict, is his eyes, was a Jewish plot to corrupt socialism and would lead to the end of the world.
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  10. So when has any socialist state actually let unions be independent?
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  11. So how is he wrong?
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  12.  @gladys2563  uh, did you watch the same videos I did? There are numerous sections that cover the economic situation of Nazi Germany.
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  13. That’s would disqualify the Soviet Union as well.
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  14. How so?
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  15. Every system tends towards monopolies, the free market is just the best at slowing it.
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  16.  @PascalSWE  Seize the means of production from who? Other Germans? Nazism isn’t class based socialism, that would be Marxism, it was race based socialism. Privately owned production is completely inaccurate, sure employers could have profit, but that’s after the Nazis set the prices and set the wages. The workers liked the regime despite the reduction in liberty because their wages were significantly improved. Additionally under the DAF workers had a say in how a company was run via worker councils.
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  17. So you didn’t watch the video?
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  18. When has socialism ever needed worker representation? Do we now say the Soviet Union was not socialist?
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  19. So just like every socialist state ever.
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  20.  @gladys2563 what kind of criticism?
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  21. What facts?
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  22.  @sky_professor3051  The same way the Soviets crushed labor unions?
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  23.  @gladys2563 have you seen TIC’s other videos on the subject?
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  24. How so?
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  25. So just like the every socialist state ever?
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  26.  @walterbailey2950 this is countered by the fact that he gave the worker councils authority to command the owner of the company.
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  27.  @resvero8342 which is why we get rid of the state. Problem solved.
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  28.  @resvero8342  well we can reduce its size till it’s doing the bare minimum, make it voluntary, and then find competitors that do everything the state does cheaper or better.
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  29.  @denniswhite4101 got to love how you drop to ad hominem when your worldview is challenged.
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  30. So you didn’t watch the video, thanks.
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  31.  @MrCrosby.s_lunch can you provide examples of these open lies and perverted truths?
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  32.  @PascalSWE  that’s only because the Marxist definition won out in the end. Back then there was many forms of socialism all competing with each other, and because they were competing they hated each other’s guts.
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  33.  @purrcatharsis is the farmer coercing me when he demands payment for his labor?
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  34.  @Niclaas1999 you do know that Hitler was against capitalism, same with Mussolini. Both of the ideologies believed in a state controlled economy.
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  35. So Cuba isn’t socialist?
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  36.  @kelvinnkat so why isn’t it just called workplace democracy?
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  37.  @kelvinnkat so what Fascism had.
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  38. ⁠ @kelvinnkat uh why can’t democracy be hierarchical? Republics use this and are still considered democracies. How Italian Fascism ran its economy was to put all businesses and unions into large corporations, witch operated like government ministries that ran particular industries, but where the leadership was elected by its members instead of being appointed by a higher ranking official. Thus they could describe the foundations of their government from coming from the will of the people.
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  39.  @kelvinnkat at that point even Marx’s dream of communism wouldn’t be socialism, because everyone’s voice is so insignificant that trying to make it heard is pointless.
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  40.  @kelvinnkat but socialism isn’t about workers, that would be what marxism added. prior to Marx socialism didn’t specify workers as the collective that would control the means of production.
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  41.  @kelvinnkat true, but we still consider many old Christian faiths Christian, even though they are different from what people commonly believe is Christian today.
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  42.  @kelvinnkat  but that’s not how religions and ideologies evolve. The only reason we say Christians are what we say thy are today is because they exterminated/discredited other branches of Christianity. Same thing with socialism, the only reason we say socialism doesn’t include race theory is because class based socialists beat race based socialists during ww2.
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  43.  @kelvinnkat so when was it established that socialism was about removing hierarchy?
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  44. And your sourcing Wikipedia. We have evidence of Hitler toning down his antisemitism around those industrialists to not put them off, so is it really hard to believe that he actually was actually worker friendly but had to pretend not to to get the support of the industrialists?
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  45.  @arildborgen4586  What are you talking about, my example was about how he had to put on a face in front of the industrialists, we all know he is an antisemite, but why put up a face in front of the people he actually aligned with?
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  46.  @arildborgen4586  Well let’s look at Hitler himself, he believed in the stab in the back theory, a theory that stipulates that the German leadership/industrialists/Jews forced Germany to surrender to enrich themselves. So who is he going to side with, the common German worker who were just trying to make ends meet, or the rich industrialists who forced his beloved country to surrender. There is also the fact that he ran multiple times without the backing of the industrialists, and it was only when he was out of money did he turn to the industrialists. To get them to work for him he had to tone down his rhetoric, a rhetoric he quickly returned to once he took power. All and all it’s more believable that he lied to the industrialists then it is that he lied to the workers.
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  47.  @sky_professor3051  it’s really looking like socialists countries like crushing trade unions.
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  48.  @sky_professor3051  But absorbing them into a single sate run union, only socialists do that.
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  49.  @denniswhite4101 how so?
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  50. Where is his ignorance?
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  51. Your forgetting that most of this was paid for by invading other countries and stealing their resources.
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  52. Wow it’s almost like socialists want to crush the trade unions once they are in power. Like if the country is socialist then striking against the state is striking against workers.
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