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Comments by "AFGuidesHD" (@AFGuidesHD) on "The Hossbach Memorandum PROVES Hitler Wanted to Wage a War of Aggression" video.
With that logic you're saying anyone that has a big army is instantly an aggressor
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Yeah just like the cabinet meetings of march 1939 PROVE that england wanted war with germany
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I like how glewitz comes up in alot of internet debate yet it is used almost nowhere in german justifications for the invasion. The primary immediate instigation was polish mobilization.
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Tom Musial perhaps he was a warmonger towards the communists, but then, i'm sure you'd be an apologist for the warmongers against Germany
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Did Hitler think about an "aggressive" war against the USSR or Czechia? yes. Did Hitler want a war against anyone else? No.
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yes we are revisionists and yes we are revising propagandistic trash passed down as "history"
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@EdgarStyles1234 You only have to look at the 1931 Weimar attempt at a customs union with Austria to sympathise with the idea of having a military. Germany and Austria wanted to form a customs union, France said no and that was the end of it. Without an army, Germany could not pursue even a peaceful foreign policy.
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because they didn't have any tractors for farm work ?
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the problem is that the accepted history that is being "revised" is literally the victors story that went unquestioned from 1945-1960s and books written after that time, particularly using British primary sources becomes the "revisionist" history. Revisionism is a fundamental part of any academic study, it's absurd that somehow it should be a sin in Historiography.
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Did the colonists wage a war of aggression against the native americans? yeah but we don't talk about how evil america is do we.
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"no one wanted a war, but Hitler." apart from the majority of the British military leadership and British politicians such as the Eden Group
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yeah and one of them was pure unthinkable evil whilst the other was "The epic story of America" on History channel.
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because demanding the self determination of people, at least for America when it goes to war, is not "aggressive" yet Germany was aggressive for demanding the self determination of Danziger's ? Heck, pretty sure every time the British Empire colonised a country it was for "liberty and freedom"
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@Saeronor yes that henderson, i just said war was directly ordered after polish mobilization which was the final "they're obviously not going to negotiate" nail in the coffin. If it did start on 26th i don't know what their line would be. Probably not much different.
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@Saeronor Fuhrer directive 1. was ordered on the 31st no? Or do you know if it was created before the 26th ? We simply will never know how Hitler would have justified if he attacked on the 26th as it didn't happen, though as I say i doubt it would be much different to the German reply on the 3rd september. So why was Ribbentrop full of it and what went wron with German-Polish relations? It seemed that the Polish would not budge on Danzig and Hitler clearly couldn't concede on that, the Polish aggression would be press threats on shelling Danzig, local ethnic conflicts in Poland and a polish threat to bomb Danzig that was mentioned. Poland threatened numerous times to the diplomats of all nations that they'd go to war if Danzig either unilaterally voted to rejoin Germany or Germany launched a coup d'etait in Danzig. Could Hitler have just risked a coup ?
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"nonsense like the invasion of Poland was the result of a border dispute" If you actually read books about the foreign policy of Germany and the outbreak of war, yes, the German-Polish war was majorly a border and sovereignty dispute over Danzig.
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@officeofpeaceinformation5094 I'm not sure what "death camps" have to do with the Danzig Crisis tbh
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Except if we do not attribute all deaths in the general war to Hitler and look at deaths during peace time, then Hitler is actually at the bottom of the death count list.
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@alexandredelneste270 yeah and Poland would experience the British guarantee lol (I'm sure you know that the British gave Poland away to the Soviets) after using them as a trojan horse against Germany.
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" what does one call a "war of aggression?"" any war involving america
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@Saeronor the one on the 30th, as Henderson telegrammed on the 31st "If nothing happens in the next two or three hours, Germany will declare war in view of Polish general mobilization and their conviction that Poland prefers to fight rather than negotiate."
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@officeofpeaceinformation5094 Except it is though if you actually read books about the politics and the outbreak of WW2. If Germany just wanted to invade Poland then explain the extensive German-Polish discussions over resolving their disputes peacefully, particularly from 1938-April 1939 ?
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@keithsledger6282 he's talking about manifest destiny, the moral fiber of which the land of the free was formed.
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@TheImperatorKnight The Polish position over Danzig was by a few ambassadors, seen as aggressive, Burckhardt and Henderson to name two, the Americans also seemed confused as to why Poland was threatening war over any form of reunion with Germany, even if it was one voted for by the Danzig people.
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"as E. H. Carr has argued, 'the use or threatened use of force to maintain the status quo may be morally more culpable than the use or threatened use of force to alter it"
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Half life 3 that quote does refute his entire fundamental argument
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@Edax_Royeaux except Italy still might have not come to germany's aid like it didn't in 1939, despite having an alliance with Germany. Alliances and pacts are merely scraps of paper, as has been stated by world leaders many times throughout history
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@TheImperatorKnight Ah my bad, thought this was the one was from may 1939 Also Chamberlain never intended to appease Hitler, if he did, there simply wouldn't have been a war. He sympathized with reversing Versailles but was well against any German eastern empire.
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he probably just dismisses it as "nazi propaganda" like every other historical fact that contradicts the highly selective "hitler started ww2" narrative
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@choppacast I don't, you should ask him on patreon or email
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Hitler wasn't actually as bothered by 1914 Germany borders, he was more bothered with Lebensraum, the only problems of course was the opposition by france and britain and later poland to this.
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WW1 was a mess but WW2 was fundamentally Britain aggressively getting itself involved in German issues and even German-Polish issues mostly created by the British (Versailles)
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@toms9864 >detailing how he wanted to invade Slavic countries? Funny since he would then ally and work with Slav countries such as Croatia and Slovakia and before the British guarantee to Poland wanted to ally with Poland.
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@toms9864 Soviet union supported communist insurgents in Yugoslavia and violated the pact in a few other ways.
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@alexandredelneste270 > if Poles give away the corridor except Hitler had offered to guarantee the corridor in his earlier offers.
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@alexandredelneste270 Yes, now what about his offers from october 1938-april 1939 where he offered to guarantee polish rights in danzig and the polish corridor ?
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@Saeronor yeah like i said i don't think their justification for war would be much different than that given on 3rd september to the british
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@Saeronor I meant according to Germany and also what actually happen i.e. polish mobilization on 30th,. Henderson was probably told by Goering or someone of the sort.
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@Saeronor yeah like i said their reasoning would probably not be much difference i.e. polish intransigence and its aggression against germans
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@alexandredelneste270 The Poles also mobilized multiple times throughout 1939, I believe the Wehrmacht was only partially mobilized.
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@officeofpeaceinformation5094 By books I also mean first hand evidence as documented in "documents on british foreign policy, documents on german foreign policy" etc. published by the british government in the 50s. For example the British consul General in Danzig writes on the 4th September "it still seems in retrospect that the detente might have been achieved had it not been for the actions of the Polish government in sending what amounted to an ultimatum to the Danzig senate on the night of 4th August." There seems to be few diplomats at the time who were blaming anyone other than Poland when you read these telegrams, which also mention many events regardless how minor that are never mentioned in modern western propaganda films such as "WW2 in color". By books I mean: "March 1939: The British Guarantee to Poland" by Simon Newman "Britain, Poland and the Eastern Front" by Anita Prazmowska "The Dark Heart of [censored] Europe" by Martin Winstone "German Diplomatic Relations 1871-1945: The Wilhelmstrasse And the Formulation Of Foreign Policy" by William Young "Eastern Europe and the Origins of the Second World War" by Anita Promowska "Germany, Poland, and the Danzig Question" by Rashid A Holloway among others I read at my University Library
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@ajsimo2677 "i like differences apart from differences i don't like"
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@Edax_Royeaux the problem is geopolitics, it would have been idiocy of the highest magnitude for Germany to just hope france doesn't invade Germany whilst Germany fights a war against France's ally in Russia.
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Because wars are very difficult to start unilaterally
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@EdgarStyles1234 No, do tell me why America isn't "the greatest evil of all time" despite murdering millions of native americans in order to gain their own living space ?
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