Comments by "OscarTang" (@oscartang4587u3) on "Why Stalin Didn't Want The ME-262 Copied (And What Happened Next)" video.
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@johnburns4017
Indeed, you have every right to claim
the R&D speed of an authoritative country that was losing a war, constantly getting bombed, and having no access to rare metal was much slower than the largest liberal colonies empire in the world, which enjoyed the advantages of freedom of expression and access to rare metal.
However, some of your claims are quite debatable.
[The German axial-flow turbojets never worked as they wanted, being developed up to 1953 by the French to obtain a usable engine.]
ATAR 101 B1 was first produced in 1951, not 1953. It first flew in a Dassault MD.450-11/12 Ouragan on 5 December 1951.
[The failures were essentially in the combustion chambers and fresh air circulation to reduce the external temperature of the engine. The BMW jet was known for overheating problems which precluded fuselage installation.]
That is caused by the German rare metal deficiency problem, not the design.
[The French lost a lot of time playing around with the German engines, instead of working with the British.]
Did’t you account for the time it took for the French to reconstruct their military industry after five years of occupation?
Besides, you just said in the last paragraph that centrifugal design was a development dead end for military aviation applications. How would working with the British actually help? Historically, how could the Soviets work with the British in the late 1940s after they scammed and broke the licence agreement of Bene and Derwent?
[The French and Soviets after WW2 tried to improve the German axial-flow engines and largely failed.]
If the French could make the BMW 003 work in 6 years and improve its performance to catch up with the jet engine of the early 1950s in 8 years (Atar 101 C/D/E/F), how would that be a failure?
The Soviets were also able to catch up with the German Axial-flow engine at a very fast pace. The Soviet Union only took about 3 (1947-1950) years to revitalise the Jumo 022, a German Turboprop version of the Jumo 012 axial-flow turbojet launched in 1943 and was cancelled in 1944.
Jumo 022 later developed into Kuznetsov NK-12 in 1952 and used until this day on Tu-95. Again, how would that be a failure?
[The ATAR project took 6 years to produce the first acceptable axial-flow turbojet (ATAR 101 B1), produced in 1953.]
ATAR 101 B1 was first produced in 1951, not 1953. It first flew in a Dassault MD.450-11/12 Ouragan on 5 December 1951.
[The Metro-Vick F.3 was the first ever turbofan in
1943.]
There is another strong contender for the first Turbofan. It was the German DB 007, first run on 27 May 1943. I cannot find the exact first run date for Metro-Vick F.3. Would you kindly provide the first run date for Metro-Vick F.3?
[The British could have had a jet fighter operational in 1941]?
If it is just because of the first flight of Gloster E.28/39 in 1941, the year that Gloster was just ordered to produce twelve prototypes Meteors on February, then Germany can have a jet fighter operational in 1939 because of the first flight of He 178.
[It took 5 months to develop, while the first reliable axial-flow engine was the 1950 Rolls Royce Avon, which took 5 years to get right.]
General Electric/Allison J35 was used in F-84 since 1946.
[The ATAR project took 6 years to produce the first acceptable axial-flow turbojet (ATAR 101 B1), produced in 1953. So 8 years research and developments by the French using the German jet engines as the base.
It was installed on the first French jet fighter, the Dassault Ouragan. The French lost a lot of time because the German jets had poor efficiency and some concept failures. ]
Again, that is caused by the German rare metal deficiency problem, not the design, together with the fact that the French took time to rebuild their whole military industry.
Besides, the French can make BMW 003 work from zero in 6 years and improve its performance to catch up with the jet engine of the early 1950s in 8 years (Atar 101 C/D/E/F).
The Soviets also could catch up with the German Axial-flow engine at a very fast pace. The Soviet Union only took about 3 (1947-1950) years to revitalise the Jumo 022, a German Turboprop version of the Jumo 012 axial-flow turbojet launched in 1943 and was cancelled in 1944.
They both didn’t lost a lot of time.
Blaming all to the backwardness of the “German Design” seems to be out of context.
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