Comments by "OscarTang" (@oscartang4587u3) on "Hegel’s ideobabble is the basis of Marxism and Fascism" video.
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If it is really well-defined, would you kindly provide the definite definition of “socialised man”, “associated producers”, “interchange with Nature”, “interchange with Nature”, and “blind forces of Nature” from Karl Marx instead of any interpretation from
other people?
“Freedom in this field can only consist in socialised man, the associated producers, rationally regulating their interchange with Nature, bringing it under their common control, instead of being ruled by it as by the blind forces of Nature; and achieving this with the least expenditure of energy and under conditions most favourable to, and worthy of, their human nature. But it nonetheless still remains a realm of necessity.” (“Das Kapital v3,” p593.)
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@mandrakeruth What a great demonstration of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
In the general interpretation, associated producers should mean individuals no longer deprived of access to means of production, thus enabling them to freely associate without social constraint to produce and reproduce their conditions of existence and fulfil their individual and creative needs and desires. It should mean everyone, and this relationship of free association of producers can only exist in a communist society where there is no state, social class, hierarchy, or private ownership of means of production.
However, this definition contradicted the passage. As if “Freedom in this field can only consist in socialised man, the associated producers...”, there will be people that cannot be classified as associated producers. A hierarchy of associated and non-associated producers will therefore be established, which contradicts the definition of the free association of producers and thus contradicts the general interpretation of associated producers.
So when socialists try to read through this passage, they will neglect the criteria of the free association of producers( no state, social class, hierarchy) or “Freedom in this field can only consist in socialised man, associated producers” and emphasise the other one.
Consequently, they interpret the associated producers as the coordinating entity for economic activity for their respective socialist ideologies, ranging from the state, worker councils, and worker council-state cooperative to every individual in the community.
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