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Comments by "Michael RCH" (@michaelrch) on "How climate change is melting Greenland" video.
Time to tell the truth. We have already all but lost the battle to avoid catastrophic warming of 2C. The new fight it to avoid climate change so bad that it threatens civilisation. We cannot spare any effort. Humanity will still be clearing up our mess in 1000 years if we don't think very differently about our priorities, right now. #UninhabitableEarth
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Funny. Shell Oil seem to think it's very real http://www.climatefiles.com/shell/1988-shell-report-greenhouse/
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flashpoint This "bullshit" isn't coming from the media. It's coming from the entire scientific academy, consistently for decades. In fact, you want to know who was doing the most work on man made climate change in the 60s and 70s? It was the oil companies themselves. They knew more about this, earlier than anyone else. Don't believe me? See for yourself. There own documents were made public. http://www.climatefiles.com/shell/1988-shell-report-greenhouse/ And you what's really dumb about not doing anything about climate change for a right wing capitalist? There is tons of money to be made and huge losses to be averted at the same time! https://www.wri.org/blog-series/the-26-trillion-opportunity
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rickie G Don't be deliberately stupid. There is a difference between ice melt in the summer that is reversed in winter and ice melt in the summer that exceeds freezing in the winter by 400%. That should be pretty obvious, even to someone trying to ignore a catastrophe that's actually in progress right now, and we are watching it.
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flashpoint Wow. If YOU are going to cite data then YOU have to be able to back it up dumbo. In fact I tried. I looked on NSIDC for 10 minutes to see if the data even exists and I couldn't find it. Want to know why I used 2012 as the reference year? Because that is the year of highest net melt on record so far. http://nsidc.org/greenland-today/ Either cite your source or STFU. Like this record of huge and accelerating ice loss on Greenland https://images.app.goo.gl/5i6Czs9SUhWebZs26
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Richie Tattersall Not 2/3rds, about 91% But it's irrelevant bright spark. The ice on Greenland is not floating. It's on land. Every drop of that ice melting is adding to sea level rise. And last week, 12,500,000,000 tonnes of ice melted ON A SINGLE DAY.
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Артем Кандарюк It's moot, the ice on Greenland isn't floating. It's on land, like Antarctica.
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Schang The cost of dealing with climate change is loose change compared to the costs of doing nothing. The aggregate costs by 2100 with business as usual, will be $600 Trillion. That's twice the value of everything that exists right now. The costs of action are less than 1% investment each year for 40 years. In fact, if we take rapid action now, research shows it will add $26 trillion of economic activity by 2030. https://www.wri.org/blog-series/the-26-trillion-opportunity Not acting is very very expensive.
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Schang Ah ok. Right, that's very true. We must tax imports from countries with a bad record on carbon emissions, along with pricing carbon ourselves. It's called a border adjustment tax. https://citizensclimatelobby.uk/2019/05/how-international-trade-makes-saints-out-of-sinners/ https://citizensclimatelobby.uk/2019/05/how-carbon-fees-would-save-british-steel/
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rickie G No, we definitely don't. Even if we reduced CO2 to 280ppm, which is basically impossible, there are many positive feedback mechanisms that we cannot stop. Ice melt is causing more absorption of solar energy in the Arctic and Antarctic. Melting permafrost is releasing methane. Burning forests are releasing gigatonnes of CO2 every year. Drying peat and wetlands are doing the same. Warming oceans are outgassing yet more CO2. Right now, global emissions ARE STILL RISING EVERY YEAR. We are adding CO2 to the atmosphere faster each year. It's sheer insanity. The climate was balanced on a delicate equilibrium for the last 11000 years. We have shoved it off that balance point and nearly all the feedback forces are making the warming faster. Imagine a ball balanced on the top of a hill. We have pushed it off towards a warmer planet and as it goes down the hill toward warming, it moves faster. People assumed that we were at the bottom of a hill, and that if we pushed to one side or the other, the ball would come back to the same place. Those people were wrong.
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Donald McCarthy Indeed. I can understand why people try to deny the science. When you see the full picture, or even part of it, clearly, it's enough to lose sleep over every night. But I refuse to look away. I refuse to abandon my kids to that future. Personal action and political action are the only moral choice. We have to take our future in our hands and say "not on my watch" 350.org Xrebellion.org
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