Comments by "" (@AlonzoHarris235) on "So...What Happened Last Week At The UK Conference + Speakers Corner" video.

  1. These Christians believe in three gods.
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  2.  @IvanSensei88  Is human sacrifice paganism? Yes or no?
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  3. Your Christian apologists are in the pocket of Zionism.
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  4.  @johnpeter3626  Thats what you are. You do the work for people who curse Jesus in the Talmud. I’m glad you admit you are working for them.
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  5. Chris believes in three gods.
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  6.  @thetersestorm3312  We don’t believe that. We don’t make these claims. You make the claim that three persons are fully the same god. But they are not eachother. That’s three gods. Your real position is three gods.
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  7.  @thetersestorm3312  You don’t even understand the trinity. Is the light fully sun? Is the heat fully sun? The answer is no. The persons are all fully god. You are giving me an analogy of partialism. This is condemned by the church as a heresy. I don’t have to make things up. I’m not you. I refute your actual theological position. The sura doesn’t claim a trinity. The verse doesn’t even mention a trinity. Just like verse 9:31 is not a quaternity. This verse says that rabbis and monks are taken as God. Even your desires can be taken as god in 45:23. What does taking as God mean? It means to try to take away from the power, qualities or attributes of God and attribute it to yourself or someone. This verse is addressing shirk. It has nothing to do with a trinity. This is just a Christian apologist move to try to run from their real theological position. It’s deflection. Even non Muslim scholars in Islamic studies don’t make your absurd claims. They have shown that chapter 112 is a line for line engagement with the Nicean creed. You can read the non Muslim scholar Neuwirth. I can use the same fallacy. I can use 1 Timothy 5:21 to argue for a trinity. I can use your silly criteria to claim that 1 Timothy teaches a different trinity.🥴 Why don’t you level up. Why don’t you debate and discuss real positions? Why do you always have to make up things and try to impose it on others when you have no answer for your own real position?🫠
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  8.  @thetersestorm3312  They are not fully sun. Nobody claims that the heat of the sun is fully sun. That’s my point. You skipped the core argument. What’s your answer for this? Your analogy is the heresy of partialism. The heat and light are not fully sun. The persons in the trinity are fully god. Your analogy fails. I have refuted your claim. You are still trying. You are trying to use cherry picked tafasir to spin them. They don’t claim a trinity. They are addressing polytheism. They are arguing against shirk. Only a trinitarian will use the trinity to impose interpretations in any text. Your approach is non academic. I have even given you an academic source. I have given you a non Muslim scholar. You would cry if I used a Muslim. You can’t refute the valid logical objections against the trinity. What do you do? You try to deflect. ‘Your Quran got the trinity wrong.’🥴 It’s so childish. Even your quote doesn’t claim this to be the trinity. I have already explained what taking as god means. The Quran is addressing the implications of the actions of Christians according to tawheed. The Quran doesn’t claim that Christians say that Jesus and Mary are God besides Allah. The Quran is addressing the implications of the actions of Christians according to the criteria of Tawheed. If you claim that God begets a Son. You have taken Jesus as God. If you claim that God came down to earth and gave birth to God. You have taken Mary as God. If you claim that Mary can hear you. You have taken Mary as God. The trinity is not found in the bible. You are using the trinity to ‘prove’ a trinity. Just like you are using ‘the trinity’ as a criteria to interpret the Quran. All you do is proof texting.
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  9.  @thetersestorm3312  They are not fully sun. Nobody claims that the heat of the sun is fully sun. That’s my point. You skipped the core argument. What’s your answer for this? Your analogy is the heresy of partialism. The heat and light are not fully sun. The persons in the trinity are fully god. Your analogy fails. I have refuted your claim. You are still trying. You are trying to use cherry picked tafasir to spin them. They don’t claim a trinity. They are addressing polytheism. They are arguing against shirk. Only a trinitarian will use the trinity to impose interpretations in any text. Your approach is non academic. I have even given you an academic source. I have given you a non Muslim scholar. You would cry if I used a Muslim. You can’t refute the valid logical objections against the trinity. What do you do? You try to deflect. ‘Your Quran got the trinity wrong.’🥴 It’s so childish. Even your quote doesn’t claim this to be the trinity. I have already explained what taking as god means. The Quran is addressing the implications of the actions of Christians according to tawheed. The Quran doesn’t claim that Christians say that Jesus and Mary are God besides Allah. The Quran is addressing the implications of the actions of Christians according to the criteria of Tawheed. If you claim that God begets a Son. You have taken Jesus as God. If you claim that God came down to earth and gave birth to God. You have taken Mary as God. If you claim that Mary can hear you. You have taken Mary as God. The trinity is not found in the bible. You are using the trinity to ‘prove’ a trinity. Just like you are using ‘the trinity’ as a criteria to interpret the Quran. All you do is proof texting.
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  10.  @thetersestorm3312  What is your answer? They are not fully sun. Nobody claims that the heat of the sun is fully sun. That’s my point. You skipped the core argument. What’s your answer for this? Your analogy is the heresy of partialism. The heat and light are not fully sun. The persons in the trinity are fully god. Your analogy fails. I have refuted your claim. You are still trying. You are trying to use cherry picked tafasir to spin them. They don’t claim a trinity. They are addressing polytheism. They are arguing against shirk. Only a trinitarian will use the trinity to impose interpretations in any text. Your approach is non academic. I have even given you an academic source. I have given you a non Muslim scholar. You would cry if I used a Muslim. You can’t refute the valid logical objections against the trinity. What do you do? You try to deflect. ‘Your Quran got the trinity wrong.’🥴 It’s so childish. Even your quote doesn’t claim this to be the trinity. I have already explained what taking as god means. The Quran is addressing the implications of the actions of Christians according to tawheed. The Quran doesn’t claim that Christians say that Jesus and Mary are God besides Allah. The Quran is addressing the implications of the actions of Christians according to the criteria of Tawheed. If you claim that God begets a Son. You have taken Jesus as God. If you claim that God came down to earth and gave birth to God. You have taken Mary as God. If you claim that Mary can hear you. You have taken Mary as God. The trinity is not found in the bible. You are using the trinity to ‘prove’ a trinity. Just like you are using ‘the trinity’ as a criteria to interpret the Quran. All you do is proof texting.
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  11.  @thetersestorm3312  My comment is deleted. You didn’t answer. The argument is that the heat and light are not fully sun. You have not responded to the argument. Even if the heat position proceeds from the sun. The heat is not fully sun. It is partialism. I gave you an academic source. I have explained what taking as God means. You went to a cherry picked tafsir to spin in. Even this tafsir doesn’t claim the trinity. He only says that two persons are TAKEN as God. He doesn’t claim that Christians confess that Jesus and Mary are God. He is addressing the theological implications of taken away some of the power and attributes of god and give it to other. Only a trinitarian will use ‘the trinity’ as a criteria to interpret the Quran or any tafsir. You don’t care. You do the same thing with churchfathers and the bible. You use the trinity as a criteria to ‘prove’ a trinity. It’s completely circular. It’s academic invalid. I gave you a non academic source. You have only given me Hassamo Shamoun level of ‘argumentation’ and spinning.
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  12.  @thetersestorm3312  My comments are deleted. I have made two comments against your silly comment.
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  13.  @thetersestorm3312  I will try again. The heat and light are not fully sun. The persons in the trinity are fully god. Your analogy is partialism. It doesn’t matter if the heat proceeds from the sun. The heat is not fully sun. Why don’t you respond to the argument? I gave you an academic source. You are still trying for a trinity with Mary in the Quran.🥴 Why don’t you respond to my argument and refutation. You went to a cherry picker tafsir. Even this tafsir doesn’t claim the trinity. That’s just your trinitarian spin. I have already explained what taking as God means. I gave other verses for internal evidence. You ignored it all. You are a trinitarian. You use the trinity as a criteria to interpret any text. The tafsir is adressering shirk and not ‘The trinity’. The Quran never claims that Christians claim that Jesus and Mary are part of the trinity. The Quran is addressing the theological implications (shirk) of your actions. That’s the reason why you ignored the academic source. You are just repeating low level Hassamo Shamoun articles. If he is so sure about it. Why don’t you publish academic papers on the subject? They will laugh at you. You can only operate in the sewers of internet.
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  14.  @thetersestorm3312  You did that. You cherry picked a tafsir. You have never read this tafsir book. You just cherry pick quotes and isolate them. You impose your trinitarian meaning on these cherry picked quotes. This is supposed to be an academic approach? You claim there is only one trinity. You claim at the same time ‘a trinity’. Your quotes don’t claim this is The Trinity. They are addressing shirk. They don’t claim that all Christians claim that Jesus and Mary are God. They measure their actions against the criteria of the oneness of god in Islam. It doesn’t matter what you think. The Quran is not a Christian book. The Quran is a book of guidance. It judges people based on the oneness of god. The theology is tawheed. That’s the criteria by which the actions of Christians are measured. Your actions are a violation of the oneness of god according to tawheed. That’s what the Quran is saying. You are trying to use trinitarian theology to judge the Quran.🥴 How is that an academic and objective approach?
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  15.  @thetersestorm3312  I didn’t loose. I have refuted your analogy. You don’t seem to have an answer. The heat and light are not fully sun. You didn’t respond to this. What did you do? You try to deflect with Hassamo Shamoun level of deflection. Because you can’t defend your actual theological position. You deflect to childish deflection that the Quran got the trinity supposedly wrong. This is a common tactic of Christians. They can’t respond to the valid logic objections against your theological position. You want to keep Muslims busy with a non relevant deflection topics to try to run away from the core doctrines for salvation. Even if a muslim provides a non Muslim Islamic source to refute you. You still continue with your absurd claims for deflection purposes. That’s all you do. You run from real theological positions. You want to waste people time with irrelevant topics. That’s what people of falsehood do. They run away from theology. They want to keep you busy with irrelevant topics for salvation.
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