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Comments by "" (@AlonzoHarris235) on "@JakeBrancatella Proves The "Islamic Dilemma" is Wrong by Assuming the Quran is True." video.

Why is it painful? Do you have an argument against it? What is your argument against his solid argument?
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@tenshiman1490 The Hadith is not authentic. Are you so desperate? Trying to impose what we should accept as authentic sayings. That’s like me imposing apocrypha on you. You took this claim blindly from Christian websites and channels. I gave you the reason why it’s not authentic. This narration has four Hadith. Three of them don’t mention a goat eating pages. They are stronger in chain. That’s how we know this Hadith is weak. Do you problems with understanding. The same Hadith from Aicha is narrated by three other persons. They don’t mention a goat eating verses. That’s how we know that Aicha didn’t say this. The three others have stronger chains and narrate the same thing. This weak chain has different and additional wording. That’s why are sources are preserved. You don’t have this authentication methodology. If two gospels say two different things of the same report. You accept both of them.
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Your videos are painful. You can’t respond to his videos. You don’t even have knowledge to even respond to his videos.
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@cocomelon4133 You are crying. You can’t respond to logical arguments. What do you do? Trying to misrepresent the argument of the opponent to avoid dealing with the argument.
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@JoanneArc-or9sr Your mangod cried on the cross.
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@chineduibeh7363 That doesn’t follow. Time an attribute of god. God can do or not do things. Your god can’t have successive acts. You don’t even know what these terminologies mean. If you are eternal. It doesn’t follow you are timeless.🥴 That’s just your metaphysical false presupposition. Time is change in your doctrine or divine simplicity. Your doctrine denies change but claims change at the same time. That’s why your doctrine is a logical contradiction. You can’t even define time. Is time before and after? Are the words before and after a time indication?
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@chineduibeh7363 Is the act of creating the angels identical to the act of creating the universe? Yes or no?
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You are misrepresenting him. You have not formulated his argument. You are never dealing with the argument and points. Always trying to invent arguments that are not made. His argument is not in the description of your video.
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@sura_65.4 All four points are made up by you. Christians can only lie and make stuff up. Just like your buddy Chris is trying to do.
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@theelite5580 In which minute did Jake made this argument?🤥🤥 There is a reason why Chris is not playing the video of Jake. It’s a typical tactic of Christians who can’t respond to the argument any try to misrepresent their opponent to their audience.
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@cartoonmo5976 You can’t even formulate a logical argument. You are not educated. You are like Chris.
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@cartoonmo5976 You can’t even formulate a logical argument. Your claims and arguments are not academic. Don’t waste my time with low level waffling. I can refute Christianity with academic arguments and sources.
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@cartoonmo5976 Christianity has already been defeated. Christianity leads to atheism.
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@cartoonmo5976 Christianity leads to atheism. You are also an atheist. Modern Christians have nothing in common with all historical Christians. That’s why atheism originated in the Christian west. There are no Christians left. Christianity is a religion of changes and updates. These updates will finally lead to atheism. The west is evidence of that.
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@AndrewRobertson-v5i You are a spoiled person. What would you advice Christians in the desert should do? There is no water and paper. What is your Christian solution for hygiene in the desert with no water? You are only proving that Christianity has no solutions for society. It’s all about cheap emotions.
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@toomanymarys7355 Your own scholars say that your scriptures are corrupted. Your own churchfathers even say this z🥴🤣
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@oneandtruth Chris believes in three gods.
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@markxivlxii1390 Which bible?
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@markxivlxii1390 This is false. Your translations all come from different manuscript traditions. Why does King James have 1 John 5:7? Why is that not in other ‘translations’?
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@tenshiman1490 There is only one Quran. There are hundreds of bibles.
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@tenshiman1490 These are not Qurans. The Quran includes the various readings. Your definition doesn’t exist. Nobody ever claimed the Quran is one reading. Christians claim the bible is one written text. If we show then hundreds of different texts. They start crying and acting like you.
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@tenshiman1490 Why are the readings different? Because the prophet allowed it by the command of god. What has been authorised by god through the prophet is the Quran. It is your believe. You claim that Mark, Matthew, Luke, John and others have written down one text. You claim that each of these persons hand written one book with one text. If we demonstrate multiple texts. You start crying. The authors have not authorised all these variations and differences. They have written down one text is your belief. You try to project your problems onto us. Because you can’t defend your position. We don’t claim the Quran is text. The Quran is recitation from God to the prophet through the angel. It has been passed down orally. You claim your bible is one written text. If we show you multiple texts. You start crying.
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@tenshiman1490 The Hadith of the goat is not authentic. We have four different Hadith of the same narration. Three of them don’t mention a goat. That’s why the Hadith of the goat is not authentic. Even if it was authentic for the sake of argument. I’m just entertaining your ‘argument’. Your conclusion still doesn’t follow. How do they know the verses that the goat supposedly eat?🥴 The weak Hadith even mentions the content.
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@tenshiman1490 I have already answered you. It’s not authentic. You can look up in any scholarly source. If you continue to impose things on us. I will start using the apocrypha against you. If you try to impose inauthentic things on us. I will do the same thing. Your claims come from non academic garbage websites. All your claims come from troll channels and websites. You can never cite scholarship. That’s why you are a failed group and movement.
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@tenshiman1490 Who graded it hasan? Why has he graded it as hasan? Answer these questions first before you ask me. I don’t work for you. How are you going to refute Islam of you don’t even know what those words mean and why and how they grade them.
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@tenshiman1490 You ignored my question. Who graded it as hasan. Can you tell me why he graded it as hasan. I don’t want your made up interpretations trying to misrepresent people. My questions are very easy. If you claim that Muslims accept the goat eating the pages Hadith. Show me a source.
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@tenshiman1490 That’s just a reference. Where is the grade? Who graded it? Why did he make that grade? You made a claim. You have not substantiated your claim.
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@tenshiman1490 You are making the claim. You refuse to prove your position and claim. You can’t prove your position and claim. That’s why you want me to do the work for you. You don’t even understand the topic. Because you have no answers. You start accusing others of lying. It shows how insincere you are. You are literally projecting. You told me it’s graded as hasan. You also told me that it is therefore accepted. You haven’t given me the name of the person that graded it. You haven’t shown who accepts the goat eating the pages. All you have done is trying to make your own speculation and interpretation the final authority. You haven’t show me why this person had made the grade. You haven’t shown me anything. All you have done is claiming that it’s graded as hasan. Therefore it’s accepted. You can’t prove this. I have already proven the opposite. The same narration is found in SAHIH Muslim Hadith 1452. Sahih Muslim is called Sahih. It has the same report without a goat eating pages. It’s also narrated by imam Malik in Kitaab Ar Rida Hadith number 17. There is also no goat eating pages mentioned from the same report. You need this Hadith to be authentic. That’s how desperate you are. You can’t formulate arguments based on real positions. You do this because your bible is problematic. You can’t defend it. You have refused to answer every question. You ducked them all.
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That’s not his argument. His argument is irrelevant if these ‘corrections’ are true or not.
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@adamstewart9052 He doesn’t use this argument. That’s why Chris is not playing the video of Jake but trying to make people believe what he said. It’s a typical Christian tactic. In which minute of the video did Jake make this argument? In which minute in the video of Jake.🤥🤥
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bluebible1199 Chris has not responded to the argument.
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@ThePrimusCrusader The trinity is three gods.
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@YeshuaAkbar7 How do you know Jesus said that?
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@TigistTakeleAdmasu If the gospels are real. Why do you need Paul.?🥴🤣
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@TigistTakeleAdmasu Paul is a pagan.
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@exmuslimAlonzoHarris Does your bible explain everything? Is your bible clear?🥴🤣 It can’t be clear according to you. Because you rely on interpretations of peopleZ
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@Akhgy Is your bible clear? You rely on scholars for interpretation of the bible. The translation of the bible is a tafsir. This means your bible can’t be clear according to your absurd criteria for clear.🥴🤣
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@cartoonmo5976 The kings James bible is an interpretation.🥴🤣 It can’t be clear. Because you rely on their interpretation.🥴🤣
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@exmuslimAlonzoHarris You can’t access the bible without interpretations of scholars. Your translations are interpretations of Christian scholars. Your bible is not clear according to your own criteria of clarity.🥴🤣
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@exmuslimAlonzoHarris That’s a circular argument. ‘It’s based on the bible because my scholar is right.’ Always shifting the goalpost. Your first argument was that it can only be clear without scholars. Now you are saying that it can be clear with scholars.🥴🤣
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@exmuslimAlonzoHarris How can you learn on your own? Learning comes from sharing knowledge from scholars.🥴🤣 You don’t even know what knowledge is.
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@cartoonmo5976 Translations are interpretations. Choices are made by individuals. How they think it should be translated and what is means. You rely on choices of scholars.
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@exmuslimAlonzoHarris Your bible is not clear?
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@exmuslimAlonzoHarris You are also attacking your churchfathers. They used interpretations of previous theologians. You told me that the bible is clear. How come your churchfathers quote previous theologians for interpretations? The bible was not clear to them?🥴 Your argument leads to throwing your churchfathers under the bus. You are more knowledgeable than your churchfathers? I though they are saints in your Catholicism.
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@gavinjames1145 Are you serious? There is no such thing as The Bible. This is just a myth and false presupposition that you want others to accepts. It’s a deceptive tactic. There is no such thing as the bible. Christians used all sorts of different texts and books. They still do. Manuscript evidence completely destroys the idea of ‘the bible’.
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@gavinjames1145 You have not made an argument. You are trying to dismiss early commentaries and Hadith. But your commentary is from the 21st century.🥴🤣 Your interpretation of our text never existed in human history. That’s the real dilemma for you. ‘Don’t trust the early commentaries. Trust our commentaries from the 21st century.’🥴🤣 Even contemporary Christians didn’t have your understanding of the words of the prophet. They never understood that the prophet was supposedly claiming that both the Quran and bible are true.🥴🤣 I have better understanding of Christian scripture than 99% of Christians. The same goes for Christian theology. Why do you hide behind Judaism. They make the same accusation against your NT. You can’t be a Christian without double standards. The Quran corrects your polytheism. It corrects the bible and Christian theology on essential things for salvation.
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@gavinjames1145 Which bible are you talking about?
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@gavinjames1145 Are there non Christian bibles? You are making claims about any Christian bible. You admit that there are multiples bibles. Why do you keep saying ‘The Bible’. You have refuted this myth with your own argument. Always trying to play with word concept fallacies.🥴🤣
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@gavinjames1145 This means the NT is borrowing and copying from the books in the OT.🥴🤣
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@gavinjames1145 What is your methodology to know if Jesus really said something? You keep mentioning the myth of the bible. This is a complete myth created by 16th century Christians. Can you show me any manuscript that corresponds with your 16th century bible?
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@gavinjames1145 There is no such thing as the bible. Your bibles contains many books. You assume all these different books and authors have the exact same belief and theology. That’s why you keep parroting The Bible.🥴 I have more knowledge in Christian scriptures and theology than you. Christians don’t even know their own scriptures. They have no clue. The Christian scripture says ‘today I have begotten you.’ Christians claim that the verse should be read as ‘I have eternally begotten you.’ 🥴🤣
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@gavinjames1145 The NT copied the OT? You agree that the authors in the NT were copying and butchering the OT?
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@gavinjames1145 I’m impressed with your answer. Christians can’t even admit this fact. Would you agree that the NT authors distorted the intended meaning in the OT. They chopped sentences into half and try to isolate it from the rest of the verses, chapters and book. They tried to shoehorn their theology into the text. How is that honesty and objectivity? These are not mistakes. These are deliberate changes. Abrogate the intended meaning and giving it a new meaning. Christian ‘Scholars’ who can’t admit these distortions call it double fulfilment. It’s simply distortion and corruption of the text.
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@greenbird679 The bible is an incorrect word. You can’t even define that. You also can’t tell me when this supposed canon was closed for addition or change. How can you claim ‘the bible’? What does that even mean?
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He never made that argument. Christians are always trying to misrepresent people. They never deal with the argument.
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He never made that argument. Where did he make that argument?🤥🤥
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@sura_65.4 You can’t even prove a simple question.🥴🤣
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@sura_65.4 Just answer the Question. How do you know?
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@cartoonmo5976 Jesus is your king? How many kings are there in the trinity? One king or three kings?
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@cartoonmo5976 Is there one king or three kings in the trinity?
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@jonhilderbrand4615 Jake never made that argument. You can’t show me he made this argument from the video of Jake. That’s why Chris is not showing any evidence that Jake made this argument. I never claimed that Jake has to say those exact words. You can’t even understand a comment. I said he never made that argument. This is a typical Christian tactic. Chris does that all the time. When he can’t respond to the argument. He tries to misrepresent people to act as if he did refute a video of a Muslim. I have asked several Christians where Jake supposedly made this argument. Nobody can show me. You can’t show me either. You are only making assertions and attacking me for pointing this out instead of providing evidence that Jake made this argument.🤥
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@exmuslimAlonzoHarris We don’t have to show you. Our position is that the Quran is necessary. Because your scriptures can’t be trusted. There is nothing from your prophets.
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@exmuslimAlonzoHarris You have no epistemology. Do you have evidence for Moses and Abraham. Can you prove the existence of both from a historical critical method? You believe it because you believe Jesus confirmed it. You believe Jesus because you believe he is god. That’s your methodology. The same goes for us. We believe Moses, Abraham and Jesus existed based on the revelation of god given to Mohamed. There is a difference between our position and your position. We can trace our scripture back to the prophet. You can’t trace your scriptures back to Jesus or any prophet.🫠
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@exmuslimAlonzoHarris You don’t have either.🫠 We have revelation from god to the last prophet. We can trace it back to the prophet. You can’t trace anything back to any of your accepted prophets.
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@exmuslimAlonzoHarris Show me that the first five books go back to Moses. Show me that the sayings of Jesus in your gospels go back to Jesus. You can’t even do that. Christianity is not able to preserve scripture or theology. Both your bibles and doctrines have updates through councils.
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@exmuslimAlonzoHarris I don’t have to show you. We don’t claim to have the words verbatim of previous prophets. You are making that claim. Our religion doesn’t depend on the words verbatim of previous prophets. Your religion completely relies on it. You claim to have the words of all these prophets. We simply claim to have the words of god and the last prophet. That’s our position. Don’t try to impose your position on us. We can prove our position. You can’t prove your position.
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@exmuslimAlonzoHarris It’s affirming revelation. It’s not claiming that this revelation is completely preserved. How do you know? Because we have the words of the prophet and god. You don’t have that. Everytime we ask you to prove your position. You run to our sources because you can’t back up your position. You claim at the same time that our scriptures are inspired by the devil.🤥 That’s why Christianity is collapsing. There are too many people like you. People can sense your insincerity.
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@RIS3N1 Christians are terrible in discussions. They can’t even follow an argument. Are you claiming that Chris is a knowledgeable person?🥴🤣
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@magepunk2376 Jake never made that argument. Chris is misrepresenting Jake. That’s why he doesn’t show any evidence of Jake making this argument.
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@tadm123 Jake never made this argument. You can’t show or demonstrate that. Chris has not shown or proven that Jake made this argument. There is a reason why Chris is not showing what Jake is saying.
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@greenbird679 Rebecca is three. Your god is eternal and was inside Mary in your religion.🥴
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@cocomelon4133 Your mangod is called an Abdul in your bible.🥴🤣
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@TestifyApologetics Chris didn’t respond to the argument of Jake. Where did Jake make this argument?🥴🤣 That’s the reason why Chris is not showing the video of Jake. Show me in the video of Jake where he made this argument? Give me the timestamp. I’m waiting.
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@Gady______ The Quran never makes this argument. The Quran gives reasons and evidence outside the Quran. It even tells people to use their intellect. You don’t have to believe in the Quran to know that the bible is false. The Quran points outside the Quran why your bible can’t be trusted.
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@Gady______ It doesn’t say you must accept the Quran without reasons outside the Quran. The Quran is true based on logical arguments outside the Quran. If that is established. We can use it as a criteria. There is no circular. You have simply comprehension problems.
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@Gady______ The NT has no continuity with the OT.
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@greenshirtiv4n211 Jake never made the argument in this video. There is a reason why Chris is not playing the video of Jake. He tries to say for Jake what the argument is to try to misrepresent. The argument is not based if the Quran is true. He even says let’s assume we don’t know who wrote the Quran for the sake of argument. The author corrects the bible in details. He makes corrections based on what he believes is true. Whether it’s really true is irrelevant. He believes it’s true and makes corrections in details found in the bible. The argument that the author doesn’t know the bible is simply incorrect. Christians claim that the author says the Quran and bible are both true. Thats absolutely absurd. The author makes deliberate correction after correction. The excuse of Christians is that the author didn’t know the bible. Therefore he said both are true. This is a ridiculous claim.
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@Gady______ This is your argument. ‘The New Testament quoted the Old Testament. Therefore the New Testament has continuity with the Old Testament.’ You believe this is a logical argument. Let’s use your argument. The apocrypha quote the Old Testament. Therefore the apocrypha had continuity with the Old Testament.🥴🤨 If you make such poor arguments. You open up a can of worms. How is quoting verses from the OT continuation? How does that even follow?
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@cartoonmo5976 God is only one in the Quran. God is one by necessity. Your bible teaches henotheism. Henotheism is by definition false.
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@ThePrimusCrusader The trinity is three gods.🥴
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@Gady______ You claimed continuity. You claimed that the bible has continuity. The apocrypha also accepted the OT. They also quote the OT. Do they have continuity with the OT? Your answer would be no. Your argument doesn’t even make sense. You agree that quoting and accepting the OT doesn’t prove continuity. Yet you are using these arguments for the NT.🥴
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@Gady______ I’m talking about apocrypha that are not in the Deutero canon. They accept and quote the OT. They must have continuity based on your argument for the NT.
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@chineduibeh7363 That’s not the argument. The author of the Quran believes it’s true. That’s why he makes these corrections. It’s irrelevant if it’s true or not. The Author believes it’s true. That’s why he makes these corrections. But you claim that he believes both the Quran and bible are true. You have no answer for this argument. Chris had not responded to the argument. He misrepresented the argument of Jake. He did this because he has no answer for the argument. It destroys his claim.
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@chineduibeh7363 You don’t even know the theology of the Quran. There is no concept of being a sinner or sinless. That’s a Christian concept that you try to impose in the Quran. The Quran makes logical arguments why your scriptures can’t be trusted. You don’t have to accept the Quran to know this. You don’t have to accept the Quran to know that your bible can’t be trusted. You claim to have the words of the prophets. We don’t make this claim. We have the words of god and the last prophet. You claim to have the words verbatim of previous prophets. You can’t demonstrate or show that.
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@chineduibeh7363 You believe in a timeless god. How can he cease or have a break? You don’t even believe that your god can act in succession. Even if we accept your later interpretation to try to solve this problem. The problem is not solved yet. You believe in a timeless god who is only actuality and can’t act in succession.
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@chineduibeh7363 Your explanation doesn’t make any sense. Nobody made this accusation in history. It’s the easiest argument to use as a refutation if your made up interpretation would be correct. No Christian in history ever made this argument and accusation. Only modern Christians have a brain? Or your interpretation is simply absurd.
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@chineduibeh7363 The Quran demonstrates that Christians corrupt revelation. It points to observation. Everyone can observe that your books are altered and changed. You don’t have to be a Muslim to see this. Everyone can see it from observation. Christianity can’t preserve scriptures. Christianity can’t preserve theology either. Both have multiple updates and changes.
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@chineduibeh7363 We don’t believe in a timeless god. You believe in divine simplicity. We reject divine simplicity. It’s a false and incoherent doctrine. There is a before and there is an after for your god. 1 he did not create 2 he created in six DAYS 3 he ceased to create on the seventh DAY That’s called succession. But you reject that your god can have successive acts. Your position is a logical contradiction.
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@sura_65.4 You don’t even have an argument.🥴🤣 If someone has three names. He must be three beings or three persons?🥴🤣
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@Odo-so8pj We don’t make your claims. You believe in incarnation. If you repeat my words. I don’t become an incarnation in you. You are so desperate to even try to pull this absurd analogy.🥴🤣
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@Odo-so8pj Your god can’t forgive without human sacrifice?
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@ryanparris1021 There is no Muslim who claims that the revelation from God to the prophet is eternal. You don’t even know the basics.🥴🤣
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@cartoonmo5976 Muslims don’t believe in your made up interpretations of our sources. Your made up theology doesn’t exist. You are not an educated person. Your comments prove that you are clueless in theology. If you would publish these claims in a university. They will kick you out.
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@Odo-so8pj Where does it say that? Where does the Quran claim that Moses had to follow the Quran?
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@Odo-so8pj The Quran is not eternal. It’s not from eternally past. It’s revelation from god to the LAST prophet. It’s for the prophets time and after till the day of judgement. If you don’t know the Islamic position. Don’t talk at all.
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@Odo-so8pj The same religion doesn’t mean the same scripture or revelation.🤨🤣 How does that even follow?🥴 The verses don’t claim that the prophets had to follow the last revelation. They had to follow previous revelations. These previous revelations contain similarities but are not identical in requirements. Islam simply means submission to the one and only god. You can’t even formulate a logical argument. 🥴🤣
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@Lavender-blue80 Do you believe the Quran is inspired by Satan?🥴🤣 You believe the Quran teaches all those terrible things. You also believe the Quran says that the Christians should follow the bible?🤥 You are contradicting yourself. You are saying that ‘Satan’ says that Christians should follow the bible?🤣
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@Odo-so8pj Your interpretation is not called Islam. Show me any source that says that the interpretation of a Christian YouTuber of the Quran is called Islam.🤥🥴
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@HeLpLOstGOdAny1 Do you accept modalism? If one self has multiple names and titles. That self becomes more selves?🥴🤣 No wonder why you are a Christian.
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@paolobagatella8556 I have responded. Your excuses don’t provide a solution. Your first point is begging the question. Assuming that the trinity is one being while we are examining that. You can’t even define what one being is without contradicting yourself. Is one being one self or three selves? They can’t be both true. I have also refuted your second argument. The persons in the trinity don’t have the same power. You believe the father has the power to beget a son. You believe the son doesn’t have the power to beget a son. They don’t have the same powers, abilities and properties. How is eternal or not eternal relevant for counting gods? It’s not even relevant if gods exist to count them in false theologies. There are still three false gods. Counting is not dependent if a god exists or is eternal. It’s a terrible argument. All knowing or not all knowing is irrelevant. Even false gods are counted. They are still multiple false gods like your trinity. You have not given an argument why we should count three persons as one being. ‘They are eternal. They are all knowing.’ How is that relevant for counting? It’s only special pleading. If three persons are eternal. We should count them as one being. If they are not eternal. They are three beings. Why is that? What is your logical justification for this made up assertion? You really believe you made good arguments. That’s the most funny part. You have not provided an argument and evidence. You only made assertions. I also can invent rules. I can claim that if three relations are eternal. We should not count them as three persons but one person. If you ask my why. I will say that they are eternal.🥴🤣 How is that an argument?
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@lesliewilliam3777 How many human beings are 7 billion human persons? One human being or 7 billion human beings?
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@RIS3N1 You can’t respond to the refutation. He said that we should count the persons as one being because they ar eternal and have the same power. I have asked him for a justification. I have asked him why. He gave no justification. He only says that we should count in this way. How is that an argument?🥴🤣 That’s just a made up rule without any logical justification. I can invent a similar rule. I can claim that the three relations must be counted as one person instead of three. Because they have the same power and eternal. How is that an argument?🥴🤣
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You have not engaged with his argument. Your argument is that the prophet said that both the bible and Quran are true. The Quran has different stories than in the bible. There is no Christian or Jew who confronted him over claiming that both the Quran and bible are true. This is your dilemma. It’s so OBVIOUS according to you. If it’s so obvious. How come no Christian or Jew ever made this accusation?🥴🤣
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@colinblackie9654 You don’t even understand the argument.🥴 His arguments stand irrelevant if the Quran is true or not. There is no circular reasoning. You are simply not engaging with the argument. That’s why Chris doesn’t play the video of Jake. It will expose him.
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@sura_65.4 You don’t even understand theology. You are all over the place. You are just like Chris. You are clueless in any field.
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@collybever Your biblical authors are poor in theology. They copy pagan Greek philosophers. Paul doesn’t quote people send by god. He quotes pagan Greek philosophers as his highest authority.
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@colinblackie9654 He never made that argument. You can’t show me the timestamp. You are repeating your claim. Where is your evidence? In which minute did he claim that?🤥 Don’t repeat your claim. Show me the timestamp. There is a reason why Chris doesn’t let people speak for themselves. He tries to sell what others supposedly said.
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@colinblackie9654 You are just making stuff up. He didn’t presuppose anything. He even said let’s assume we don’t know who wrote the Quran. Correction is made in the eyes of the author what he believes is true. Jake didn’t assume the Quran is true for the argument. You can’t even follow an argument. Correction is made by the author by which he believes is true. Whether it’s really true or not os irrelevant. The author believes it’s true. That’s why he is correcting it. You have no answer. You are just responding to a complete misrepresentation of the argument of Jake. It proves that you have no answer for this solid argument.
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@colinblackie9654 You are not responding to the argument. You are deflecting. I will repeat the argument of Jake. The author or the Quran corrects the bible based on what he believes is true. He corrects details that are found in passages in bible. The author of the Quran knows these passages in the bible and corrects them based on what he believes is true. How can he claim both are true?🥴🤣
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@colinblackie9654 He never made that argument. I just wrote his argument. You can’t respond to the argument. Trying to misrepresent people as a tactic to avoid addressing the argument.
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@colinblackie9654 I didn’t make that claim. Christians can’t read. I never said the author of the Quran believes both the Quran and bible are true. I’ve said that Christians claim that. You are right. This is a contradiction. The contradiction is in the position of Christians. The author of the Quran corrects the bible in details. That’s why he doesn’t believe the bible is true. You have finally understood the argument of Jake. You agree with him.🤣 You agree that the position of Christians is a contradiction.
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@sura_65.4 That’s not the same thing. It’s called an internal critique. Assuming that we don’t know who wrote the. Quran for the sake of argument. The author of the Quran corrects the bible based on what he BELIEVES is true. It’s irrelevant for the argument if his beliefs are really true or not. The point is that he doesn’t agree with the bible and corrects the bible in detailed passages. Colin black is just agreed. He agrees that the Christian position is a contradiction. He agrees with Jake.
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@colinblackie9654 You have agreed. We have established that the author of the Quran corrects the bible in details. It is hard evidence that he doesn’t believe the bible is true. Why would someone make corrections if he believes something is true?🥴🤣 What is the Christian answer? They claim that the author of the Quran didn’t know what is in the bible. This answer is illogical. The author of the Quran corrects the bible in details.🫠 There is another major issue with the claim of Christians. They claim that the prophet preached that both the Quran and bible are true. How is this possible?🥴🤣 Christians would have immediately confronted him and asked how both can be true while having different stories of the same even. We have never seen any Christian in history making this argument. Do you know why? Your interpretation of the Quran never existed in history. It’s a modern Christian claim because Christians gave up on their bible and can’t defend the bible. They want the Quran to confirm the bible to try to neutralise Muslims. The same Christians claim the Quran is inspired by Satan at the same time.🥴🤣 It proves how incoherent Christians are. It proves how they argue in bad faith.
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@sura_65.4 I never made the claim. I never claimed the author of the Quran believes the bible is true. He just made that up. I said that Christians say this. He just admitted that there is a contradiction in the claim of Christians. He proved my point. You can’t even read. He can’t read either. You can’t even follow a logical argument.🥴🤣
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@colinblackie9654 You have conceded my point. You admitted that there is a contradiction in the claim of Christians. They claim the author of the Quran believes the Quran and bible are true. You laughed at this. You proved my point.🫠
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@Akpalonhebe07. Word concept fallacy. If I write a verse from the Quran on a tree. That’s called Quran. It doesn’t mean the whole Quran is written on the tree. Christians use all sorts of fallacies because they can’t defend their bible. There is Injeel that is correct. There is also falsehood. There is no quantifier. You made up a quantifier.
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@MassDefeq That’s not an authentic Hadith. You don’t even understand the difference between a prophet and a messenger. You think both were given books.
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@MassDefeq The Hadith is not authentic. That’s like me using the apocrypha against Christians. Do you have a logical argument instead of these fallacies.
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@dayamra9747 You do claim that you have the words of Jesus. You can’t even show us a methodology for verification and authentication.
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@Akpalonhebe07. There is no dilemma. It’s your problem. Your salvation depends on what you claim the words of Jesus are. Our salvation doesn’t depend on it. It is your problem. You are failing to prove or show us a methodology.
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@Akpalonhebe07. We have a methodology. You don’t even have a methodology. I can simply prove that Christianity can’t preserve scripture or theology. You can’t prove that Christianity can preserve scripture and theology.
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@dayamra9747 That’s a belief. How do verify that? Christians claim to have the words of Jesus. Muslims don’t claim to have the speech of Moses. How do you know if Jesus really said something? What is your methodology and verification method?
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@MassDefeq He didn’t intend to preserve it. How is that an argument?🥴
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@Akpalonhebe07. Do you accept Hadith? If you accept the Hadith. You have accepted the Quran. If you don’t accept the hadith. Don’t use it. By using it you are verifying our methodology.
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@Akpalonhebe07. You have proven out methodology. You have used Hadith as a criteria of truth. You have accepted the transmission. This means you have accepted the Quran. It’s based on the same methodology.
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@MassDefeq Do you have the revelation given to Abraham? You don’t even believe in your own argument. You still accept what you believe Moses said about Abraham. The bible also mentions many lost books. Epistemology starts with god. We are not atheists. You have an atheistic approach of history. History is speculation. God is certainty.
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@dayamra9747 You are an atheist. You don’t believe words of god can be proven?🥴🤣 Why do you believe your god said some thing? It’s just blind belief? The Quran and Hadith don’t contain words of Moses. Moses didn’t speak Arabic. They contain the speech of god and the prophet. They are paraphrasing Moses. We can trace our scriptures back to the prophet and god unlike you. The Injeel is revelation. It’s not a physical book. ‘We have sent down the kitab.’ There are no such physical books sent down. You are incoherent. You want the Quran to confirm your bible. Because you can’t defend your bible. You believe at the same time that the Quran is a demonic book.🥴🤣
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@YeshuaAkbar7 The bible has no witnesses.
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@coltonconner782 You can’t even present a methodology to verify sayings. You already fail at the first condition. Christianity can’t preserve scripture or doctrines. That can easily be proven.
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@coltonconner782 Do you accept the Dead Sea scrolls as your bible?
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@cartoonmo5976 I have spanked you so many times. You can’t even provide a methodology. You are not jot educated.
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@RIS3N1 There is no such thing as The Bible. This is just a Christian myth. I’m not even talking about ‘the bible’. You have no methodology to verify if a prophet really said something. The bibles are not preserved. Even if they were preserved. These combinations of books were chosen much later. It still doesn’t go back to Jesus.
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