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@sura_65.4 That’s a fallacious question. Both are approved by the prophet. Two different words or pronunciation doesn’t disprove preservation. The problem with the bible is that Christians claim it’s one written text. If we find multiple different texts. We have disproven your argument.🫠
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@gazirehman9421 There is no dilemma. It’s a logical contradiction. Christians claim that Jesus is fully god and fully man. They also claim that Jesus only has a human nature but lacks human personhood. You can’t be fully human if you lack fully human personhood. The doctrines in Christianity are logical contradictions.
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@rockzalt The two powers of heaven is the trinity?🥴🤣
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@ianclose123 I don’t see you giving this ‘advice’ to Christians.🤥🤥
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@rockzalt Heiser doesn’t even understand the trinity. He thinks logos theology is the trinity.🥴 Heiser tries to advocate for two stage theology. Two stage logos theology is not the trinity. Heiser doesn’t even have a good understanding of the triniterian teachings of the fourth century. He is only ‘proving’ Arianism in the first centuries.
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@rockzalt If someone claims that an angel is god or divine. That doesn’t mean they believe the angel is divine and god in the same sense as the Father. If trinitarians read that someone takes someone other than the father divine. You assume and presuppose that they believed that they were co equal and co eternal. This is all based on your fourth century theology. You are doing the same thing. You are trying to impose your non existent interpretations on others.
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@theastronomer5800 Are you a logical thinker? If this is do obvious and logical. How come no Christian pointed this out to the prophet? How come no Christian in history ever made this accusation and ‘argument’? It’s the easiest argument to make. ‘You are telling that both the Quran and Bible are true. How is that possible.’ Nobody ever said this or made this accusation. You claim to be a logical thinker. How is this possible if you claim that the prophet preached that all scriptures are true and correct? Only modern Christians have a ‘brain’? How come this claim is only made by modern Christians? You claim to be a logical thinker. What is the logical explanation?
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@adamstewart9052 You have not even proven your ‘argument’. Your whole ‘argument’ relies on the false presupposition that Christians and Jews always used the same scriptures. That’s completely false from the manuscripts.
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@toomanymarys7355 That’s such a great ‘argument’. You are such an ‘intellect’.🥴🤣
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@toomanymarys7355 This is your ‘argument’. 1 the Quran is inspired by Satan. 2 the Quran advises Christians to judge by the bible. What is the conclusion of your ‘argument’? You are claiming that Satan advises Christians to follow the bible.🥴🤣
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@John_Six_Twenty-Nine You don’t have to be a Muslim to conclude that your bible doesn’t go back to the prophets.🫠 It’s a fact.🫠
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@John_Six_Twenty-Nine You don’t even know who God is.🥴🤣 Your god is a logical contradiction. Logical contradictions are by definition false.
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@John_Six_Twenty-Nine The timeless god came in time.🥴 The second person in the trinity is limited and unlimited at the same time. The true god is the triune god. Jesus is the true god. He is not the triune god.🥴 I can go on and on. Logical contradiction after logical contradiction.
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@John_Six_Twenty-Nine We don’t believe the Quran is eternal. We also don’t believe in a frozen god who can’t speak and have successive acts. You believe in a timeless god. You don’t believe god can do successive acts. You believe god is one act. You will do reinterpretation of verses that your god created the universe in six days. You will say that he didn’t really create the universe in six days. What or who is the true God? The true god God is the triune God? Is the Father the triune god? Or is he another god? Is he identical to the triune God?
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@John_Six_Twenty-Nine You are confused. Do you know why you are confused. Because you don’t even know your own position. I don’t hold to your position of time. Time is change. Do you know what change means? There is a point where god creates. There is a before and after. That’s change. You god can’t have more acts. Your god is one eternal act. You don’t believe your god has acts that have a beginning in time. You only believe these are effects and not acts. Unless you believe the effect is identical to the act? That would make the universe eternal. I don’t think you would hold to that position. What do you even mean enter into creation?🥴 what does that even mean? God can interact with creation. Your god can’t interact with creation. Your god is not really related to creation. This is the absurd position of western Christianity. The Eastern Orthodox don’t hold to this position.
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@John_Six_Twenty-Nine The Eastern Orthodox don’t believe in a timeless god. They believe god can have successive acts. You believe your god is only one act. That’s his actuality. You believe in a frozen god who can’t do things. You don’t believe your god really spoke to prophets on certain days. That’s successive acts.
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@thelimatheou Your apologists are not on his level.
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@You.are.boring.me.now2024 Chris has completely ignored the video of Farid. He hasn’t even engaged with the arguments. He is repeating his refuted claims. If the theory of Chris is true. How come modern Christians are the first one to make this argument and accusation?🤓 Historical Christians didn’t have a brain? Or the interpretation of modern Christians is nonsensical? Which one is it?
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@tpoli5447 The Quran corrects the bible. The claim that the author of the Quran doesn’t know the scriptures of Christians and Jews is ridiculous. It corrects details.
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@TestifyApologetics TestifyApologetics believes in three gods.
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@Glory_be_to_Christ He believes in three gods.
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The trinity is three gods.
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@OMMANIPADMEHUM8 That’s how gods are counted. They are counted by identity. The three persons are three selves. Three selves are three gods. That’s why mythological gods are counted as multiple gods instead of one god. They are more selves. They are not one self.
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@sura_65.4 Dumb argument.🥴🤣 Are your hands you?🤣
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@OMMANIPADMEHUM8 They have the same essence. Human beings have one human nature. Whatever it takes to be a human. We all have it. There is no difference between your trinity. Nobody counts two human persons as one human being. We count two human beings.
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@OMMANIPADMEHUM8 That’s my argument. Just like how your bible counts other gods. The argument that they should be counted as one god because they can’t be separated is invalid. If this is the case. We should only count one person in the trinity. The persons can’t be separated either in your theology. There is inconsistency in counting.
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@OMMANIPADMEHUM8 The persons in the trinity have unique properties. The Father CAN beget a Son. The Son can’t beget a Son. If they didn’t have unique properties. There would be only one person. It’s exactly the same as humans. We have shared and unique properties and attributes. The persons in the trinity have shared and unique properties and attributes. There is no difference.
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@lesliewilliam3777 Is Jesus the triune God? Or is he another God?
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@sura_65.4 Do you accept Hadith? If you accept Hadith. You have accepted the chains of transmission. If you have accepted the chains of transmission. You have accepted the chains of the Qiraat. You are refuting yourself with your question.🫠
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@sura_65.4 I never made that argument. Where do I claim the trinity is three gods because there are multiple names?🥴 Why do Christians always have to misrepresent people? I know why. Because you can’t deal with the real argument and position. You have to create non existing positions because you can’t refute real positions. That’s why you follow a channel of an uneducated person. He doesn’t even know the basics of Christianity and tries to refute ‘Islam’.🥴🤣
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@sura_65.4 Do you accept Hadith? Is Hadith evidence for preservation for you? Yes or no? Your question is also nonsensical. The prophet doesn’t have to say that. The author of Donald Duck doesn’t say how many chapters he has written. We all can verify that he has written it. Your question is nonsensical. Even if he would have said that. You still wouldn’t accept it as evidence. This is the problem with Christians. They can’t present a methodology for preservation. If you want to refute preservation. You have to have a criteria, methodology or tool by which to measure. You don’t even have that.🥴🤣
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@sura_65.4 I never made that argument. My objection to the trinity is not multiple names.🤥🤥 The problem with the trinity and incarnation are logical problems in your positive affirmations of both doctrines. You want me to repeat the logical problems?🫠
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@sura_65.4 I don’t accept all Hadith. Do you accept authentic Hadith? You asked me to show from the Hadith. You take the Hadith as a criteria of truth for the preservation of the Quran. You have undermined your whole argument Christina.🥴🤣
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@sura_65.4 The gospels were written by Mark, Luke, Matthew and John?🥴🤣 Who are the parents of this Matthew? Who are the parents of Luke? What are the names of their kids. You believe these people are great figures in your tradition. Why is this information completely absent?🤨 How come you don’t even know the names of their parents and kids? You know nothing about their lives. Somehow they are one of your most important people in your tradition.🥴🤣
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@sura_65.4 You asked me to show me from the Hadith. You have taken it as a criteria of evidence. When I demonstrate this. You start crying and twisting. Notice how this Christian can’t even make up his mind.🤣🥴 He can’t even provide a methodology or tool for preservation.
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@sura_65.4 I have real debates. Your fellow Christians are hecklers who beg Muslims for attention. You need us. We don’t need you. You surround Mansur with 20 popular Christian apologists in the park begging him for attention.🥴🤣 You made him a superstar.🤣
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@sura_65.4 Why should I provide a Hadith? You don’t take Hadith as evidence. But you demand Hadith. It shows that you don’t even have a tool or methodology for preservation. Even if I showed you. You would reject it. Before you even ask insincere non serious questions. Why don’t you first explain to me what preservations means for you. You also have to explain how we should measure if words of people in the past are preserved. Then you can talk to me. If you are not able to do this. All your claims fall flat.🫠
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@sura_65.4 You don’t accept authentic Hadith for Quranic preservation. Don’t try to be like Paul. Before you even talk about preservation. You have to define your understanding of preservation. You need to provide a methodology or tool by which to measure. If you can’t do that. You are wasting my time. Your claims are meaningless.
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@sura_65.4 I can do that. We accept Jesus as a prophet of God. We accept that there are some true and authentic things in the books of ‘the bible’. You don’t accept our prophet. You believe our prophet is a liar. You believe the Quran is inspired by Satan. There is no inconsistency. You have simply comprehension problems.
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@sura_65.4 How does that follow?🥴🤣 If I don’t count my approvals. It means you can’t know how many approvals I made?🥴🤣 This is Christian logic.🤓
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@sura_65.4 Jesus didn’t say that.
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@sura_65.4 I don’t accept the bible. I have an objective criteria to know what I can accept and not. You don’t have an objective criteria. You can’t even provide a methodology to know if a prophet really said something.
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@sura_65.4 Your question is irrelevant. The answer to that question is irrelevant for preservation.
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@sura_65.4 I don’t cherry pick. I only pick correct things. I have a valid methodology to pick what is true. You don’t even have a methodology.
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@sura_65.4 If someone believes in the bible. He is simply stating that he accepts the complete bible as true. I don’t accept that. Many atheists don’t accept the bible. They also accept some things in the bible. At least they provide a methodology. You don’t even have a methodology. You can’t even tell me how you verify it a prophet really said something.
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@sura_65.4 I don’t have to show you. It’s irrelevant for preservation.
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@sura_65.4 You are not addressing my arguments. You are a defeated man.🫠
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@sura_65.4 How does that follow?🥴🤣
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@sura_65.4 How does your argument follow?🥴 No wonder why churches are turned into swimming pools and disco.
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@sura_65.4 I have spanked you. Logical arguments versus waffling.
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@DetInspectorMonkfish You think this video is intellectual as an atheist?🥴🤣
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@chrisatspeakerscorner Your whole argument relies on a presupposition. We know from manuscript evidence that Christians accepted all sorts of text and scriptures. There is not a single manuscript that corresponds with your canon. There are many gospels that Christians used. You can’t show us any manuscript to back up your claim. It’s all based on presupposition. Your claim is nonsensical. The Quran is correcting your gospels and bible. Nobody understood that the Quran affirms the bible. Christians and Jews would immediately used this argument. We don’t find this argument in history. Only modern Christians make this argument. Why are they making this argument? Because they gave up on their bible. They can’t defend their bible. They try to argue that the Quran affirms the bible. They also claim that the Quran says to judge by the bible. They also claim the Quran is inspired by Satan. It shows how incoherent your ‘argument’ is.
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@chrisatspeakerscorner You have an alternative take of history. We find manuscripts with many gospels that you don’t accept. The manuscript evidence doesn’t support your bible at all. It shows that Christians try to lie to people. They claim that Christians used the same books. This is completely false from manuscript evidence. It’s even worse. The earliest manuscript that corresponds with your 16th century canon is from the 11th century ce. It’s not even complete. It could have included books that you don’t accept.
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@chrisatspeakerscorner Your bible is not historical. Your presupposition is false from the get go. No Christian in history ever argued for this supposed ‘dilemma’. No Christian or Jew ever made this argument in the time of the prophet. If he is claiming to confirm the bible. But also to confirm the Quran. They would immediately make this accusation. We don’t find this accusation or argument in history. Do you know why? Because your interpretation never existed in history. Keep running away from the problem of your bible.🫠
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@sura_65.4 I can show you numbers 31:17. The bible says that masters can beat their slaves. Your bible also says that men are AUTHORITY over men. How can a man exercise his authority? How did the men in your OT respond to rebellious women? What does your bible claim about women that do terrible dangerous things in a marriage? Does your bible teach to call male cops to use force against your wife?🥴🤣 In which verse is that? The husband can’t use force in your bible? Strange men can use force against your wife?🥴🤣
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@chrisatspeakerscorner You should stop with this nonsensical claim. Nobody buys your argument. Your theory is absolutely ridiculous from a logical point of view. If your argument would be true. We would find all Christians and Jews making this accusation. Many Christians and Jews converted to Islam. There are also many knowledgeable Christians and Jews converted to Islam. Nobody has ever made this accusation of argument. The reasons obvious. Your interpretation never existed in history. Only modern Christians make this accusation and interpretation. They can’t defend their bible. It’s the easiest argument to use. Nobody has ever used it. Your theory is nonsensical. It’s just a tactic to avoid addressing the problems of your bible. You are the same guy who claims the Quran is inspired by Satan. You also claim that the Quran teacher to judge by the bible. This is how incoherent your claims are.🥴
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@chrisatspeakerscorner I have a question. You are claiming that your interpretation is so obvious. Can you show me any Christian or Jew making this accusation on history? Can you show me any contemporary Christian or Jew accusing the prophet or making this argument? Can you show me any Christian or Jew making this accusation until modern times? It’s the easiest argument to use. No Christian in history ever used it. What’s your explanation for that? Only modern Christians have a brain?
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@oneandtruth He is an incoherent person. He argues in bad faith. These are the claims this individual has made. You can see how he makes contradicting claims. 1 The Quran is inspired by Satan 2 the Quran teaches that Christians should follow the bible. 3 the Quran is copying the bible. 4 the Quran doesn’t know the bible 5 the Quran affirms the bible You can see how contradicting their claims are.
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@chrisatspeakerscorner You are dodging my questions. You are claiming that the four gospels were used by the Christians. You are also claiming that the prophet taught that these four gospels are true. You also claim that the prophet taught that the Quran is true. Why aren’t these Christians making your accusation?🫠 Why is your accusation and argument completely absent from all Christians in history? They couldn’t understand the prophet? They couldn’t understand the positive affirmations?🫠 Your argument is not historical. You are desperate. That’s why you won’t engage with this historical logical question.
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@chrisatspeakerscorner What does universal corruption even mean?🥴🤣 Inventing words to try to weasel yourself out of a solid refutation. There is corruption. That’s case closed. Christians didn’t only use the four gospels. That’s an a historical claim. We see from manuscript evidence that Christians used all sorts of gospels. The claim of a universal canon is a complete myth by modern Christians.
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@sura_65.4 We don’t claim a book.🤓 We claim revelation from the book. The Quran is called kitab before it was even written down on earth. It’s very clear that Chris is dodging my questions. My questions completely destroy his theory and argument. One day he will say that the Quran copies the bible. The next day he says the author of the Quran doesn’t know or read the bible.🥴🤣 One day he claims the Quran is inspired by Satan. The next day he say that this inspired book by ‘Satan’ says Thad Christians should follow the bible.🥴🤥 It’s very clear that he is incoherent and contradicts himself. I’m not surprised you are a fanboy of him. You don’t understand logic either. Let me get this straight. The prophet told Christians and Jews that both books are true. There is no Christian that asks why there are different stories? There is no Christian who asks how both stories can both be true? It’s completely absent from history. The reason is obvious. Nobody ever had your interpretation and understanding of those words. Chris can’t defend his bible. He tries to validate one of his bibles from the Quran to try to neutralise the claim of Muslims against his bibles.🫠 If a Christian runs to the Quran to try to validate their scripture. It simply mean he has thrown the towel. He gave up on the bible. He doesn’t believe it can be defended.🫠
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@oneandtruth He doesn’t know this topic. I have seen him for a couple of years on YouTube. He made zero progress in knowledge.
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@lesliewilliam3777 You are funny. You can’t even provide a methodology to verify if any prophet in your bible really said that.🥴🤣
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The trinity is three gods.
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@lesliewilliam3777 It’s not circular reasoning. The Quran says your scriptures are corrupted. It gives reasons outside the Quran why it’s corrupted. You don’t have to be a Islam or believe in the Quran to know that your scriptures are not preserved. You can’t even show a methodology to verify if any prophet in your bible really said that. You know that. That’s why you run to the Quran to avoid addressing the huge problem with your scriptures.🫠
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@gavinjames1145 There is no such thing as the ‘bible’. There are bibles. These bibles contain books. Books that copy from eachother and other sources. You are projecting. You are tying to take your bible as a criteria of truth.🥴🤣
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@gavinjames1145 Your buddy hasn’t addressed the arguments. He is in repetition mode and ignored all the Hadith that Farid provided. Hadith that explicitly say that your scriptures are corrupted. I wonder why Chris ignores this. The same Chris that appeared to other Hadith and twisted it ignores clear cut Hadith that literally says that your scriptures are corrupted and can’t be trusted.🫠
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@mudaaa1015 You don’t use your brain. Let’s see how your ‘brain’ works. This is your argument. 1 the Quran is inspired by Satan. 2 the Quran advises Christians to judge by the bible. What does this tell you. You are claiming that Satan advises Christians to judge by the bible.🥴🤣 This is all you need to know about your ‘argument.’ This is your dilemma. I have other dilemmas. The NT contradicts the OT. The NT affirms the OT. You have a problem.🥴🤣 Your definition of the Injeel and Tawrat doesn’t exist in the Quran. You have to invent definitions to try to make your weak ‘argument work’.🥴🤣 Your real position is a real dilemma. The position of Muslims is not a dilemma. We reject your bible.🫠
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@gavinjames1145 This is false.🫠 Even non Muslim scholars in Islamic studies don’t make this claim. Even they demonstrate that chapter 112 is a line for line refutation of the Nicean creed. The author of the Quran is aware of the Nicean creed. Chapter 112 is a line for line refutation of the Nicean creed. You can read the work of scholar Neuwirth. Nowhere does the Quran claim that the three you mentioned are the trinity. Only trinitarians make this claim. Trinitarians are weak individuals. They can’t defend the bible or the trinity. What do they do when they are confronted with real and valid logical objections against their real position. They try to impose positions on others to run away from real positions. It only proves that you have thrown the towel in the ring. You don’t believe in Christianity.🫠
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@gavinjames1145 There is no dilemma. Christians presuppose one scripture. Christians presuppose that their books in the bible are Injeel and tawrat. Even if we would accept that complete fallacy. The evidence on the ground doesn’t support Christians. Christians used all sorts of different books. Christians try to use back project their 16th century canon into history. They take Christianity as a criteria of truth. That’s why Chris can’t formulate a logical argument.🥴🤣
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@gavinjames1145 The prophet didn’t understand or know the trinity? But you claim there is a trinity in the Quran.🥴🤣 That’s why all people laugh at you. The more you talk. The more you refute yourself.
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@gavinjames1145 There is no topic. Your arguments are terrible and weak. Chris is claiming that the author of the Quran confirmed your scriptures but didn’t know what is in your scriptures.🥴🤣 You are claiming that he knew what’s in the bible and was copying it.🤣 You are all over the place. Which one is it? Did he know what is in the bible? Or he didn’t know? If your claim is that he didn’t know. That can easily be refuted. His whole ‘argument’ relies on complete ignorance of the bible.🤣 The Quran literally corrects details in the bible.
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@mudaaa1015 The definition of the Injeel in the Quran destroys your argument. 🫠 Christians have to invent non existing definitions in the Quran as a tactic to avoid addressing the problems with their scripture.🫠
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@mudaaa1015 He didn’t confirm a corrupted book. He confirmed true revelation. The Quran is also called kitab before it was written down on earth. It refers to revelation from the book (writing) in heaven. The definition of the Injeel in the Quran is revelation given to Isa. That destroys your whole claim. Your definition doesn’t exist in the Quran. You made it up. You try to make an argument based on false definitions. Why are Christians doing this? Because they can’t defend their scripture. They try to run away from it with these deceptive tactics. They will tell you at the same time that the Quran is inspired by Satan. ‘Satan’ confirms your bible?🥴🤣 ‘Satan’ advises Christian’s to judge by the bible?🥴🤣 This shows your true colours. You argue in bad faith. That’s why your claims are logical contradictions.
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@mudaaa1015 You are diverting. You invented a non existent definition. You build your whole ‘argument’ on this.🥴🤥
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@gavinjames1145 The Quran does correct the bible. It even corrects the bible on details. You can’t claim he didn’t know the details if he is correcting details. The position that he heard stories is absolutely ridiculous. Even if you don’t accept the Quran are the words of god. You can’t claim the author of the Quran didn’t have knowledge of the scriptures of Jews and Christians. I can give you many examples of corrected details. This is your dilemma.
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@mudaaa1015 You are waffling. You believe the Quran is inspired by Satan. You also claim that the Quran says that Christians should judge by the bible. You are basically arguing that Satan says that Christians have to judge by the bible.🥴🤣 That’s how incoherent Christians are. You are refuting yourself.
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@gavinjames1145 I will give you one example. There are many other examples. You can compare verse 20:22 in the Quran with Exodus 4:6. The Quran explicitly says that the hand did not become diseased. Exodus 4:6 says that the hand becomes diseased. The Quran emphasis that it didn’t become diseased. The bible claims it became diseased. Both affirm that the hand came out white. The Quran is correcting the bible that it became diseased. Your theory makes no sense. Jews and Christians converted to Islam. Nobody ever made the claim or argument that the Quran confirms their scripture. They are conflicting stories. Nobody said to the prophet. ‘You said that our bible is preserved. In the Quran it has different narratives than in the bible. How can both be true.’ This theory is nonsensical. It’s the easiest argument to use. Nobody ever used it. Why was this never used? Because your interpretation is nonsensical.
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@mudaaa1015 You can keep repeating this nonsensical claim. It’s not becoming true by repeating it and using emoticons. The same guy who claims the Quran is inspired by Satan. The same guy wants you to believe that the Quran teaches that Christians should follow the bible. That’s how incoherent your claims are. It proves that you argue in bad faith. You only make this claim because you can’t defend your scriptures. A Christian who tries to run to the Quran for validation. He is simply throwing the towel and gave up on his scriptures.
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@gavinjames1145 You have not responded to my arguments. You are only repeating your refuted claim. ‘Such minor details narrative differences are typical in oral retellings.’ That’s not an argument. That’s an assertion. You are claiming that the prophet didn’t know details. Now you are telling that he does know details. The author of the Quran clearly disagrees knowingly. There is not a single Christian or Jew who asks why both can be true. Your theory is nonsensical. It’s the easiest argument to use. Nobody ever used it.
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@gavinjames1145 That verse doesn’t confirm their scripture. Scripture is not even mentioned. ‘Believe in what I have SENT DOWN.’ Your bible is not sent down. It only confirms revelation. There are no physical books sent down.
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@gavinjames1145 You are not addressing the argument. You keep refusing to engage with the argument. You claim that the prophet heard these stories. He preaches the Quran to Jews and Christians. Nobody ever argued how both can be true. Nobody ever believed that the Quran affirms their bible. They would have immediately used this ‘argument’. ‘How can you claim both scriptures are true at the same time.’ Nobody ever made this claim or argument. Only modern Christians make this argument and claim. Because they can’t defend their bible.
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@gavinjames1145 The Quran is called kitab. It’s called kitab before it was written down on earth. The word kitab is not mentioned in the verse. Even if it was mentioned in the verse. It doesn’t necessarily is a physical book on earth. Why are the Christians and Jews called the people of the book (singular) and not books (plural)? Book is not even a correct translation. Kitab means writing. It refers to the written decrees in the lawh Al Mahfouz. Revelation has been sent down (nazala) through the angel from the tablet. There are no physical books that came from the sky. Your interpretation is nonsensical.
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@gavinjames1145 You are repeating your refuted claim. It’s called people of the book singular. How can book be singular if you are claiming multiple physical scriptures? Why are Jews and Christian’s not called people of the books plural? They don’t accept the same scripture. Christians and Jews don’t accept the same scriptures (plural). How can they be the people of the same book? Because it refers to the written (kataba) decrees in heaven. I have already demonstrated that kitab doesn’t necessarily mean a physical book on earth. The Quran is called kitab when it was orally preached. There was no physical book. The Quran refers to the Quran as kitab before it was written down on earth. The passage does mention kitab in a couple of verses later. You don’t know this. You have never read the Quran. All your claims come from Christian websites.
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@gavinjames1145 That’s not an argument. You have completely ignored all my arguments. You my have no response. Your theory is incoherent. If your theory would be true. We would find many Christians and Jews making this argument in history. We don’t find any Jew or Christian who ever made this argument. They would have immediately confronted him with this claim. We don’t see that. Do you know why? Your interpretation never existed in history.
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@gavinjames1145 You deny to be a Christian or Jew. But you keep mentioning ‘the bible’.🥴 There is no such thing as ‘the bible’. Manuscript evidence shows the complete opposite. It shows that Christians and Jews used many different books and texts. Your claim is completely refuted by the hard evidence on the ground. The earliest manuscript that corresponds with the 16th century canon is from the 11th century ce. It’s not even complete. It could have contained books that are not accepted. You are a cultural Christian. Don’t pretend you are an objective person. You are on Christian apologists channels. You take Jay Smith and Mel as knowledgeable people. You are a Muslim hater. You won’t ever concede. That’s why you ignored my argument. If your theory is true. We would have seen all Christians in history making this claim. Let’s not forget about the converts from Christianity to Islam. They would immediately make this claim. We don’t find this claim. It’s because your interpretation never existed. It’s only a modern accusation. You can’t show me historical evidence that your accusation is ever made.
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@gavinjames1145 You don’t even know grammar.
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@gavinjames1145 You don’t have an answer. You have no answer or responds to my refutation. If your theory is correct. We would expect all Christians and Jews making this accusation. This accusation is never found in history. It’s game over for you. Are you claiming only modern Christians have a brain?🥴🤣
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@lesliewilliam3777 I’m not Paul of Tarsus.
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@lesliewilliam3777 Christianity is circular reasoning. Christians who use Christianity as a criteria of truth in each ‘argument.’🤓
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@exmuslimAlonzoHarris It can’t refer to multiple books on earth. It refers to one writing. That one writing is the tablet in heaven from which revelation has been sent down (nazala).🫠
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@BringMeTheProof Paul is a pagan. He doesn’t quote prophets. He quotes and plagiarises from pagan Greek philosophers who believe in dying and rising gods.
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Chris believes in three gods.
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@OpenEnjoyer There is only one human nature. We don’t count one human being. We count multiple human beings.
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@CosmicalChrist Christians are not literate. You can be illiterate if you get knowledge from the most knowledgeable being. Christians are illiterate and take knowledge from uneducated people. What are you trying to say? Are you trying to argue that there is only one human being on the planet? You should stop with your fallacious arguments. Why don’t you pick a position. Is there one human being on the planet? Or are there billions of human beings on the planet? Which one is true. They can’t be both true at the same time. What is your answer?
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@CosmicalChrist What is your position? Is there one human being or billion human beings on the planet? Which one is true?
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@theastronomer5800 You have never read the works of the mufasirun. You are trying to project your ignorance onto others. I have a question for you. Are you saying that no human being in history could understand what the prophet or mufasirun said? You also claim it’s so obvious in our sources. If it’s so obvious. How come nobody in history made this accusation? How come not a single Christian in history ever made this argument ? How come no contemporary 7th century Christian or Jew made this argument and accusation? It’s the easiest argument to use if your theory is correct. What is your explanation? Christians in history didn’t have a brain? Only modern Christians have a brain?🥴
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@CosmicalChrist I have asked you a question. Do you believe there is only one human being on the planet? Or do you believe there are billions of human beings on the planet?
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@theastronomer5800 You have never read this works. I have a question for you. You claim that your theory is so obvious from our sources. How come your accusation has never been used in history? If it’s so obvious. How come we don’t find any Christian or Jew confronting the prophet? How come we don’t find any Christian or Jew making this claim before modern times? What is your explanation?
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@CosmicalChrist You don’t understand the problem. The problem with the trinity is not singularity and plurality at the same time. Nobody makes this argument. I don’t understand why you are trying to discuss this. I think most people accept that god is one in one way and multiple in other ways. We believe he has real distinct attributes and properties. Nobody claims these attributes are persons or ‘fully god’. That’s when the problem with the trinity starts. It’s a logical problem. You claim that each person is FULLY God. They are not eachother and yet there is one god. That’s not how gods are counted. Poseidon, Hades and Zeus are three selves. Three selves are three gods. Why should we apply a non existing counting method for the trinity other than trying to avoid tritheism? What your logical justification? If your argument is that you believe it’s revealed. Therefore you believe it. At least admit that you have no logical justification. But you believe it because you believe it’s revealed from god. This is not how Christians argue. They claim that there is no LOGICAL problem. If we point the logical contradiction out. They appeal to revelation. That’s fine. But that’s not a LOGICAL solution for the problem.
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@CosmicalChrist Why is that ridiculous? You don’t believe god is one by necessity? You don’t believe God is the necessary being? You can count however you want. You have no logical justification to do that. That’s all we are pointing out. You are forced to do this special pleading. If we count by identity there are three gods. You can at least admit this. You can say that the trinity is three gods if you count by identity. You can continue to say that you don’t count by identity because you believe this is revealed to you. That would be a sincere answer. Don’t pretend others have no logical argument against your doctrines. Your second question is a good question. You are presupposing that time and eternality are the opposite. ‘Eternality means timeless.’ I reject this false presupposition. I believe time is an attribute of god. I don’t believe in a frozen god who can’t do anything. I believe in a god who can act in succession. People who hold to the position that god is timeless claim that god can’t act in succession. They believe he has only one divine act. When the bible says that god created the universe in six days. They do a reinterpretation of these verse. They say that god didn’t really create in six days. When the bible says that god spoke on certain days to prophets. These people claim that god didn’t really speak to prophets on these days. The same people try to argue that god incarnated in time. Christians have different positions in these topics. Muslims have different positions. Every religion has discussions how god is related to creation or how god is not related to creation.
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