Comments by "" (@AlonzoHarris235) on "A British Christian Challenges The Quran" video.

  1. The trinity is three gods.
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  2.  @travisdempster4693  You have ignored my argument. You haven’t engaged with the logical contradiction. You even contradicted yourself. You switched from identity to predication. You can’t even make up your mind. That’s why you resort to personal attacks to try to avoid the clear logical problem. The trinity is three selves. Three selves are three gods.
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  3.  @inquisitivemind007  What’s the logical contradiction? Christians claim there is only one god. In reality there are three gods. Three selves are three gods. The Quran is defined by what is approved by god. It doesn’t matter if god approved 10 or millions Qiraat. It’s still one Quran. The Quran is what has been approved by god. The Quran has never been defined as one reading. 🫠 Three selves are three gods.
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  4.  @lahleholivia7398  Why did he send Paul?
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  5.  @lahleholivia7398  Did you go to the trinitarian university?🥴🤣 No wonder why you can’t formulate a logical and coherent argument. 🕺🏻
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  6.  @lahleholivia7398  The second person in the trinity has a real physical reproduction part.🥴🤣
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  7.  @sura2proyect428  What is the writing of Paul?🥴🤣
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  8.  @sura2proyect428  Let’s accept that for the sake of argument. Where did Paul copy that from?🫠 Even if we accept your nonsensical claims. Paul still copied from other sources and gave it his own twist.
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  9.  @solascriptura1536  They are mentioned in the Nicean creed of three gods.
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  10.  @travisdempster4693  The trinity is a logical contradiction. Logical contradictions don’t exist or have the possibility to exist. God exists by necessity. Therefore the trinity is false. Try to engage with this robust argument. 🫠
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  11.  @CoolioMoDee  It’s by far the most successful religion. That’s why you are obsessed by it.🫠
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  12.  @mystaree  What is the definition of the Quran?🤓
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  13.  @mystaree  What’s the problem with multiplicity?🥴 I don’t think you understand the logical problem of the trinity. The logical problem of the trinity is not the multiplicity. You haven’t formulated a logical argument. Your question is based on a misunderstanding of the objection against the trinity.🫠
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  14.  @solascriptura1536  They are mentioned in the Nicean creed of three gods.
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  15.  @X4VER279  Is each side a full coin?🫠 Is each person fully god?
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  16.  @CoolioMoDee  You don’t even know your own religion. That’s the problem with Christians. They don’t even know the basics of their own religion and theology and pretend to be experts in other religions.🥴
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  17.  @maskva-u6f  Did he exist? There is billion times more historical evidence for him than for Jesus and Paul combined. I’m not even talking about the OT figures. It’s funny how Christians attack their own position.
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  18.  @CoolioMoDee  You don’t believe that. You are just trying to give yourself some confidence. Why do you think Chris is busy with his goofy videos? Because he knows a child cab refute the core doctrines of Christianity. He is upset about it because Muslims logically deconstruct your religion by your actual position and theology.
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  19.  @X4VER279  Do we have the same human essence? Are we one human being or two human beings?
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  20.  @CoolioMoDee  You are out of arguments? You are demonstrating it right now. The moment a Christian gets schooled in logic. He tries to deflect with person attacks to avoid a serious discussion at all costs. But you claim to be people of truth.🥴 I wil give you something to think about. The trinity is the true god in your religion. Is Jesus the trinity? Or is he not true god enough?🫠
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  21.  @realityofliving_life  What do you mean by direct talk?
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  22.  @mystaree  I don’t have a problem with multiplicity. Nobody is attacking the trinity for multiplicity.
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  23.  @roskobiwan  There is nothing to defend. He doesn’t even understand the subject. Let me explain. What has ahruf got to do with preservation?🥴🤣 Why is Chris using reports through chains of transmission which he rejects? He is incoherent. He uses reports from chains of transmission to argue that the chains of transmission can’t be relied on.🥴🤣
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  24.  @mystaree  What is the issue? This is the issue. 1 The Father is God 2 The Son is God 3 The Spirit is God 4 the Father is not the Son 5 the Father is not the Spirit 6 The Son is not the Spirit 7 There is only one God. This is the issue. Each person is declared to be fully God. They are not eachother. There is only one God. This is a logical contradiction.
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  25.  @roskobiwan  Chris is incoherent. I didn’t respond to the video. The video is incoherent. He refuted himself in the video. Did he present an objective methodology for preservation? The answer is no. Do you know why? Because he has to throw his bible in the bin. He thinks people are silly. He tries to bring the Quran to the level of the bible because he can’t defend the bible. Even non Muslim scholars don’t take this serious. Every objective scholar will say that the Quran is billion times better transmitted.
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  26.  @mystaree  You have such great arguments. You got me busted.🥴🤣 Let me give an analogy from your bible. There is a general rule and a specific rule. One of the commandments is not to steal in your bible. Your god commands the Israelites to steal land and property of other nations at the same time. I can claim this is a contradiction. I don’t make these terrible ‘arguments’. There is always a general rule and specific rules. The general rule is that you can’t marry polytheists. The specific rule is the exception of Jews and Christians. They are both polytheists. The exception is made for the people of the book. There is no contradiction. Just like there is no contradiction when your god command to not steal in general and gives command to steal at specific moments.
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  27.  @TheLegend2000AD  Does Jesus have a logos? Or he can’t speak? Is the logos of the Son another person in the godhead?
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  28.  @mystaree  They are people of the book. They are closer to Muslims than atheists or other religion. That’s why the exception is made. It doesn’t matter if your book is corrupted or not for the argument. You believe in your book. I’m showing similar cases from your bible which you accept. There are many cases of general rules and exception. We can’t eat pork for example. That’s the general rule. But it’s allowed if your life is at risk. Let me give another example from your bible. It’s not allowed to work on the sabbath. This is a general rule in your bible. Jesus works on the sabbath to heal people in your bible. There is an exception being made for the general rule. I can name many more. You are not consistent. If you were consistent. You would declare all these examples as contradictions. You won’t do that.
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  29.  @Redsok  There is no relevance in the questions. Let me give you an example. The relationship between Ahruf and Qiraat has nothing to do with preservation. These are completely different topics and subjects. Chris admits this. Because he affirms the ahruf. He took that knowledge from our reports based on the same CHAINS OF TRANSMISSION. Chris is not educated. He doesn’t even understand the subject. That’s why he is conflating relationships and preservation. He needs to show that his questions violates preservation. He hasn’t done that. He also assumes that the Quran can only be one recitation.🥴 Where did he get this made up criteria from? His whole video is poor. He doesn’t know how to make logical arguments.
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  30.  @roskobiwan  They don’t take him serious. Which scholar takes Chris serious?🥴
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  31.  @Clashingthanos  You should read your comment. ‘There is only ONE circle. But the THREE circles are not the same.’ There is one and three circles at the same time? Is it one circle or three circles?
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  32.  @uguroz3745  You are an ex Muslim?🤣 That makes you magically knowledgeable?🤣🥴 You try to make a logical argument. Your analogy is partialism. That’s condemned as a heresy. You don’t even understand your own religion. Muslims don’t affirm physical properties and attributes to god. You affirm real physical attributes and properties to the second person in the trinity post incarnation. I don’t have to misrepresent Christian theology to refute it. You can only misrepresent to try to refute your own strawman.
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  33.  @uguroz3745  You are speaking about ignorance. Your comments show your lack of education.
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  34.  @Clashingthanos  How many circles are there? One or three?
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  35.  @EAD1142  My script is not used by them. I’m making logical arguments against your theological position. I’m showing logical contradictions in your actual and real position. Chris is asking many questions because he can’t make logical arguments. He thinks his questions are arguments.🥴🤣 Let’s say we don’t know what the Ahruf are exactly? How does that disprove preservation?🥴 What have both got to do with eachother? What has ahruf or Qiraat got to do with preservation?🥴
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  36.  @mystaree  It does say that. The Quran literally warns against taking Jesus as God. There is a hard punishment for that. That’s association (shirk). You can only take Allah as God. Anyone that associates is a mushriq. The Quran is very explicit to only take Allah as God. It also explicitly denies the existence of other gods unlike the bible. ‘There is no god except Allah.’ (Quran) god of gods. (Bible)
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  37.  @Clashingthanos  Do we have the same human nature ? Are we one human being or two human beings ?
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  38.  @uguroz3745  You haven’t made logical arguments. You have made the most absurd claims. You believe you made an argument.🥴 But you accuse others of being ignorant. I have presented logical arguments against your real position. You have only made ‘arguments’ against your own misrepresentations than nobody holds to. This is because of your lack of education. You want me to deal with your low level nonsense copied from non academic websites? We can do that. Your first claim is the fallacy of equivocation. If the word Quran is mentioned. It can only mean the attribute of god. It can’t mean the recitation of men that will testify for you. Your claim is based on this deliberate misrepresentation. If you have to misrepresent positions to make ‘arguments’. I simply means you have no arguments. You claim to be an ex Muslim. You don’t even know what the Islamic position is.🥴
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  39.  @uguroz3745  You don’t have arguments. Do you really think you came with something new? It’s all copied claims from uneducated people like Shamoun. You want me to deal with your ‘arguments’. Your first claim is based on the fallacy of equivocation. Which muslim or Islamic theology claims that the word Quran in that Hadith refers to the attribute of God?🤓 It refers to the recitation of the person. This is an action. Your own actions will testify for you. You claim to be an ex Muslim. You don’t even know basic Islamic theology. You don’t know how to make logical arguments based on real positions. That’s why you have to misrepresent others to try to refute your own misrepresentation. That’s not a logical but illogical argument.
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  40.  @Clashingthanos  You compared circles to god. You have to be consistent. If there are no comparisons. You shouldn’t use analogies yourself.
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  41.  @uguroz3745  What’s your best argument? I want you to present your best argument. I don’t want to waste my time with your many fallacies. Present your best argument and I will respond. Let’s see how logical you are as an ‘ex Muslim’.
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  42.  @uguroz3745  You are not sincere. You are throwing hundred claims and expect me to respond to all of your silly claims. I don’t have time to respond to hundreds of claims. Can you give me your best argument. Why don’t you pick one. Just throwing claims are not arguments. It seems to me that you are scared to have a real discussion. Which one of the many silly claims do you want me to respond. Why don’t you pick one. Let’s see who is logical and who has no logic.🫠
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  43.  @uguroz3745  The verse is in the past tense. He has already fulfilled that condition. The context is immediate death. That’s what a cut of aorta means. It means that god will prevent him to even breath a single second. It doesn’t mean that he preached for more than two years and still reveals revelation.🫠 Is this your best ‘argument’?🥴🤣 The words in the Quran and Hadith are not even identical. You copied this poor claim from non academic Christian websites. This is your ‘level’.🥴 Cab you show me a medical doctor who claims you can live for two years with a cut of aorta?🤓🫵🏼
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  44.  @Redsok  I don’t have time for red herrings. He didn’t make any point. He made only unproven assertions and tries to present it as evidence. Christians can’t formulate logical arguments. They don’t even know how to make an argument.
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  45.  @travisdempster4693  I don’t assume. There are three gods by the law of identity. Are you making a logical argument against me? Do you accept logic? How many gods are there by identity? Is the Son identical to the triune God? Is the Father identical to the triune God? How can The Son and the Father be tripersonal while being one person at the same time? These are logical arguments. You can’t engage and deal with them. There is another problem. You believe The Triune God is a real entity. You have four entities that you accept to be fully god. The Father, Son, Spirit and the triune God are all fully god. Your model of the trinity results in four gods.
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  46.  @uguroz3745  Muslims don’t believe in your made up interpretations of our sources. Nobody calls your made up interpretations Islam. That’s like me calling my made up interpretations of the bible Christianity. If you follow the religion of ‘truth’. How come you lie so much? ‘Muslims SEE Mohamed equal to God.’🤥🤥 Show me which muslim says or sees that?🤥 It’s amazing how much Christians are willing to lie to try to score cheap points.🤥🤓
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  47.  @sura2proyect428  What does enter into creation mean?
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  48.  @uguroz3745  You are waffling. That’s why YouTube doesn’t show your comment. They think you are a bot. Your claims are copied from non academic websites and channels. There is no substance. It’s just low level polemics.
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  49.  @uguroz3745  Muslims don’t see anyone equal to God. Can you show me a Muslim who makes this claim? I’m glad people can read your comments. You are only proving that Christians are notorious liars who argue in bad faith. Show me from a theological source. If you claim to be a follower of the religion of ‘truth’. How come you lie so much?
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  50.  @sura2proyect428  Paul claims that Jesus is an angel in the present tense.
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  51.  @uguroz3745  Why are you ignoring my refutation? You are just repeating your refuted claim without engaging with the refutation.
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  52.  @travisdempster4693  You don’t have an answer. There is no circle argument. You are just asserting that because you have no solution and answer for the logical problem of the trinity. Logic is not circular. Your ‘argument’ is circular. You have to presuppose Christianity as a criteria of truth. I have already shown that Christianity is a square circle. A square circle doesn’t exist or has the possibility to exist. It’s a logical impossibility. It’s a logical contradiction. You keep using the word triune. You can’t even define what you consider to be triune. Is the trinity one self or three selves? This is a simple basic valid question. If you can’t answer it. You are simply using words you can’t even define or understand. This means your words are meaningless.
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  53.  @travisdempster4693  Is this your answer? There is one Yahweh? The Father, Son and Spirit are all identical to Yahweh? This is just modalism. Things that are identical to the same thing are identical to eachother. It simply follows from the law of identity.
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  54.  @travisdempster4693  I don’t have to prove anything from your scripture. The trinity is not biblical in the first place. Nobody in the bible worships a triune god or prays to a triune god. They always pray to one person. Even if it was biblical. It doesn’t change the argument. My critique is based on your theological position. The trinity results in three gods. Your model of the trinity results in modalism. All the persons are identical to the same thing. It follows from the law of identity that they are identical to eachother in your model.
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  55.  @RobertBooker-xi8cc  It’s not an assertion. We can measure that by objective standards.
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  56.  @allah_is_an_arab  Chris is contradicting himself. Nobody has responded to the presented contradiction. I have refuted his claims. Nobody can refute my refutation of his claims. You can read back. Christians don’t want to engage with refutations and questions. I’m not changing anything. I have responded to the topic. I debunked it. I’m now showing logical contradictions in your theology. That’s the most essential thing in faith. I have debunked your theological position. Christians who try to argue about preservation. They simply acknowledge that the sayings and teachings of Jesus are not preserved. Because they can’t defend it. They try to find similar things in other religions.🥴🤣 Who is deflecting.🤓 The greatest argument against Christianity are the logical contradictions in your core doctrines. There is a reason why your apologists don’t want to deal with this.🤡
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  57.  @allah_is_an_arab  You can read back. I have refuted his fallacies. Nobody has a response. That includes you. You can’t solve the logical contradictions in his claims.
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  58.  @travisdempster4693  Jesus is a Muslim in the Quran. You are clearly trying to twist verses with your made up Christian understanding. The followers of Jesus don’t believe Jesus is God. That’s very clear in the Quran. You can’t defend your religion. You are trying to make my sources confirm your religion because you can’t engage with my arguments.🫠 That’s why the churches are empty. That’s why Christianity is in a huge decline. Christianity in secular surveys include ‘heretics’ like Unitarians.🫵🏼🫠
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  59.  @travisdempster4693  You are diverting. What does the word ‘is’ mean? What does the word ‘is’ represents? Is it identity or predication? These are the only two options. Words have meanings. The bible has no dictionary. It doesn’t need to mention identical. It can be in other words like the word ‘is’. Do you understand basic language? Do you even know what language is. What do you mean by Jesus is God? He is identical to God? Which God? The triune God?
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  60.  @travisdempster4693  I didn’t make a claim from the bible. My argument is based on your theology. It’s a logical argument against your theology. If your theology is biblical or not. That’s not irrelevant. I just said that as a side note because you claimed it’s biblical. Even if we accept that false assertion. Your theology is still a logical contradiction. You are simply stating that the bible contains a contradicting theology.
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  61.  @Redsok  What is that?
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  62.  @travisdempster4693  I am a human. That’s a predication. How many human beings are we? One or two? Is there one human being on earth or billions? I asked you if it’s a statement of identity or predication. You first said identity. After finding out the implications you shifted to predication. You want from modalism to tritheism.
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  63.  @travisdempster4693  You don’t have a response. That’s why you try to attack me personally. I’m not important. Can you solve the logical contradiction of the trinity and incarnation. If a contradiction is presented. You can’t simply wave it off and pretend it doesn’t exist. It exists until you disprove it. Nobody has done that so far. Your scholars (analytical philosophers) are still writing books about it to try to solve the problem. They have all failed. You don’t see Muslims writing books for 1400 years to solve a logical contradiction based on the oneness of god. Because it’s clear and logical. Your trinity is a logical contradiction.
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  64.  @Redsok  I don’t see a link. Where?
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  65.  @allah_is_an_arab  You can read back. I have demonstrated a logical contradiction in his claims. You haven’t responded to this refutation. You simply try to ignore it and pretend that it’s refuted if you ignore it.🥴🤣 My refutation is valid until you can disprove it. I have disproven his claim by demonstrating a logical contradiction in his claim.🫠
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  66.  @allah_is_an_arab  We count attributes by identity. We also count beings by identity. That’s why you are only one human being.🤓 Jake schooled Jay. Do you believe in the transcendental ‘argument’ of Jay Dyer? Have you watched the debate? He called out your Catholic Church. He said that the western model of the trinity is modalism.🤣
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  67.  @allah_is_an_arab  Do you support Jay Dyer?🥴🤣 You are repeating the nonsense of Jay Dyer. He said something true. He said that the Catholic model of the trinity is modalism.🤣 Do you agree with him?
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  68.  @allah_is_an_arab  You haven’t responded to my refutation. You have only made false assertions without a demonstration. You are multiple human beings?🥴🤣 If we follow your rule of identity. We have to count you as multiple human beings.🥴🤣
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  69.  @allah_is_an_arab  How does that follow?🥴🤣 Logic is clearly not your field.🫠
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  70.  @allah_is_an_arab  You don’t have an answer. The logical contradiction in his claim still stands. You haven’t responded to the logical contradiction in his claim.🫠
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  71.  @allah_is_an_arab  We count attributes by identity. That’s why there are multiple attributes. We also count beings by identity. That’s why there is only one being. Are you multiple human beings?🥴🤣
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  72.  @allah_is_an_arab  You are just making assertions. You haven’t demonstrated any of your assertions. How does your conclusion follow?🤣🥴 Give the premises and conclusion. Show me in a table.🫠
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  73.  @allah_is_an_arab  This is not common sense. Nobody makes that claim. It’s not common sense. You need to demonstrate your ‘sense’. How does counting multiple attributes by identity results into multiple Quran?🤣🥴 Can you give a justification and demonstration of that? You have only made this assertion. You can’t even justify your assertions. You can’t even formulate a logical argument.🤣🥴
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  74.  @allah_is_an_arab  I have provided evidence. I gave a demonstration. You have only made assertions. I can even use your bible. Your bible doesn’t agree with you. If we accept your assertion. We should count each and every god in your bible as multiple gods for having multiple real distinct attributes and properties. Your bible doesn’t do that. Even your bible refutes your nonsense. Baal is not called multiple gods for example. Why not if this figure has multiple real distinct properties and attributes in your bible? You don’t count Zeus as multiple gods but one god. Why does everyone count in this way? Everyone counts by identity. We count attributes by identity. We count beings by identity. That’s why everyone counts one being and multiple properties. There is one being by identity. There are multiple attributes by identity. Multiple real distinct properties don’t make one self more selves by identity. This is common sense. Your assertions is not shared by anyone. You need to give a demonstration of your assertion. You also need to clarify your position. Beau Branson counts by division. Your Catholic Church doesn’t agree with that. They count by identity. This is all taken from Aquinas. I can recommend you books to read and study your own position. I don’t make random claims. I have studied the material. I can even show you how Aquinas uses identity. I can show you the logical problems in his position. Are you Catholic? Do you count by identity (Catholic) or division (Beau Branson)?
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