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As a Greek I will be honest: I've always supported Palestine, even since my teenage years. Our neighbour is a Christian Palestinian engineer married to a Greek woman and we have been close with his daughters since childhood. We have a tradition here in Greece of being pro-Palestine since the 50s and especially during the 80s(even though I personally wasn't born back then for I was born late 90s) when Andreas Papandreou established our great relationship with Fatah and had even invited Arafat numerous times in Greece. And if you ask me personally, I believe that Israel shouldn't exist at all, for it is not a normal modern nation but it is based on Zionist which is nothing more than Political Judaism and this gives supremacy of an ethnic religion(judaism) over the others(Christianity, Islam etc). A judaic state shouldn't exist just like an Islamic one shouldn't either(ISIS) in the 21st century. What should exist on the other hand is a Palestinian state that would be secular and include all religions(Judaism, Christianity and Islam) together.
However I will be honest: during the last years I've stopped being as passionate towards the Palestinian struggle as I used to be and Hamas is mainly the cause for that. Even though I know Mossad's dirty role of supporting Hamas as a means to counter Fatah and I know that Fatah with Abbas is quite weaker in terms of resistance, I still can't excuse the support of Gazan people for Hamas(excluding this war). Hamas by becoming the dominant force in Gaza, has ruined the principles of resistance by putting Islamism over secular Palestinian nationalism. But Islamism is no different than zionism, for it still proposes the supremacy of a religion over others. Add to it that Hamas ended up supporting Turkish imperialism during the 10s(along with Islamists in Libya and Syria and Azerbaijan against Armenia while the leadership of Hamas also supported the conversion of Hagia Sophia into a Mosque in the past along with claiming Cypriot EEZ)) and this hasn't helped much either. So even though I still side with Palestine in this war since 7th October cause noone deserves genocide I believe that the Palestinian resistance has ''lost its way''. The causes of the Palestinians are just, it's their leadership and means for resistance that ''has to change''.
And this I believe is one of the many causes that many Greeks aren't as passionate with Palestine as they used to be in the past. Don't get me wrong, I am a friend of Palestine, but friends need to say ''harsh truths'' sometimes....
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Jews in the comments trying to excuse this: ''Buuuut we don't mean it that way, we mean serfs in the good sense that they will serve us.''
Meanwhile what does their God through the prophets in the holy scripture of theirs in Torah teach:
'' Therefore wait for me, says the LORD,
for the day when I arise as a witness.
For my decision is to gather nations,
to assemble kingdoms,
to pour out upon them my indignation,
all the heat of my anger;
for in the fire of my passion
all the earth shall be consumed.
without people, without inhabitants.'
At that time I will change the speech of the peoples
to a pure speech,
that all of them may call on the name of the LORD
and serve him with one accord.
From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia
my suppliants, my scattered ones,
shall bring my offering. (Zephania 3.6-3.9)
This is what the Sovereign Lord says:
“See, I will beckon to the nations,
I will lift up my banner to the peoples;
they will bring your sons in their arms
and carry your daughters on their hips.
Kings will be your foster fathers,
and their queens your nursing mothers.
They will bow down before you Israel with their faces to the ground;
they will lick the dust at your feet. (Isaiah 49, 22-23)
''Arise, shine, for your light has come,
and the glory of the Lord rises upon you.
but now darkness covers the earth
and thick darkness is over the nations,
but the Lord rises upon you
and his glory appears over you.
Nations will come to your light,
and kings to the brightness of your dawn.
Lift up your eyes and look about you:
All assemble and come to you;
your sons come from afar,
and your daughters are carried on the hip.
Then you will look and be radiant,
your heart will throb and swell with joy;
the wealth on the seas will be brought to you,
to you the riches of the nations will come.
Foreigners will rebuild your walls,
and their kings will serve you.
Though in anger I struck you,
in favor I will show you compassion.
Your gates will always stand open,
they will never be shut, day or night,
so that people may bring you the wealth of the nations—
their kings led in triumphal procession.
For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish;
it will be utterly ruined.
“The glory of Lebanon will come to you,
the juniper, the fir and the cypress together,
to adorn my sanctuary;
and I will glorify the place for my feet.
The children of your oppressors will come bowing before you;
all who despise you will bow down at your feet
and will call you the City of the Lord,
Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
I will make you the everlasting pride
and the joy of all generations.
You will drink the milk of nations
and be nursed with royal treasures.
Then you will know that I, the Lord, am your Savior. (Isaiah 60)
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@beth7935 Actually though indeed most of them deny it, many of them(since they can't fight against facts and such overwhelming evidence by hiding for long) do admit what they did but they go as far as to say that the victims ''deserved it for siding with the enemy and thus betraying the Ottoman empire''. Unbelievable but true, I have seen many Turks saying that the Anatolian Greeks and Armenians ''got what they deserved cause during Russo-turkish war they tried to help Russians and later on the Greek army that arrived in Smyrna and thus betrayed the Ottoman empire''. LOL as if these people owed some loyalty towards their enslavers. At least these ones are useful, for they admit the genocide and show the world their true faces.
It's totally admirable and very manly of you to accept the dark side of your nation's history(probably you are australian?), it's not an easy thing what you did. Yet It always amazed me since my teen years, how is it possible that all western nations admit their genocides openly and never deny it(and if they do they face accusations of acting inhumanely) but when it came to Turkey that we were all taught and I even got to know some old people from these lands that have been victims and suffered these events in their childhoods(they were still alive 20 years ago when I was a kid) and thus we all know what Turkey did, how come they could so openly deny it?? Not only they do not show the slightest sign of regret for it, not only they blameshift but also CONTINOUOUSLY act the same way for another century, violating treaties, international laws, invading our lands again(Constantinople pogrom 1955, Imbrus, Tenedos, Cyprus 1974) with the world not only doing the blind eye to them but also supporting them even in military expeditions(like in Syria or when they support azerbaijan against armenia) and selling them weapons. Growing up this had an impact ot me and contributed to giving me a realistic perception of how the world actually works.
Best regards to your dad and your his leventi cousin and blessings to your family mate. This world would be a much better place with people like you!!!
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@alextherussian7366 What you say makes sense but it's not what PJW said. He said they literally give ''zero fuck'' pointing to the picture of them as if they are living a happy life, which by every objective factor is bullshit.
But the truth is, you see things very superficially. The reason they are not killing themselves is because they actually have a motivation to live. They have something in Maslow's hierarchy of needs that the Westerns lack. Family values and unity, tribal friendship, spirit of collectivity, values that come closer to the highest level in Maslow's hierarchy for self-actualisation, and values that give them psychological strenght to go through all these hardships. While the West has only fulfilled the bottom part in this hierarchy(westerns have job, food, clothes and means for leaving), they have completely abandoned the higher parts of the pyramid and have ruined their ethnic identities, religion, family and all the other parts of society constituted the collective identity which is the most fulfilling part of humanity. In other words the West has fulfilled in acquiring the means for living but has stripped itself of all the causes for a self-actualised life, and hence this is the reason depression has grown so high. So the fact that people in the West may still not feel well just because they have food and clothes is human nature, it's not being ''spoiled'' as PJW is babbling. Funniest thing is, in the end of the video he aknowledges that the domimant culture of the West does everything in its power to prevent people from self-actualisation, yet for some reason he still wonders why people feel bad about it.
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Alan Lloyd
Not always, in older ages it used to be an ''alliance'' between two different roles that applied to the two different genders that were supposed to procreate a child. A child of which the mother was responsible for providing its necessities for being(emotional support, food and basic education) and the father was responsible for his well-being, the symbol of connecting him with society and show the child its place in the world and society.
That's not the case anymore, thanks to modern capitalism, women became just like men, working to get money while being taxed as well. Since everything is reduced to the private sector nowdays, the father stopped being the symbol he used to be and became a simple ''mother-supporter'' while both parents cannot well educate their child because of working and being tired. While the role of education and emotional suport was replaced by teachers, school, psychologists and so on.
Modern family has no distinction of roles anymore and has lost all emotional foundations and that's why it became nothing but a business contract, in other words: broken!!
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Yeah you know it makes more than a year to close so many chemical factories and destroy many chemical weapons.
The pdf you showed nonetheless still confirms that since last month the goverment is still making progress in submitting to the paragraphs required ''On 20 June 2018, the Syrian Arab Republic submitted to the Council its
fifty-fifth monthly report (EC-88/P/NAT.4, dated 20 June 2018) regarding
activities on its territory related to the destruction of its CWPFs, as required by
paragraph 19 of EC-M-34/DEC.1. ''
''As stated in previous reports, all of the chemicals declared by the Syrian Arab
Republic that were removed from its territory in 2014 have now been destroyed.'''
As noted by the Director-General in his report “Status of Implementation of Executive
Council Decision EC-83/DEC.5 (dated 11 November 2016)” (EC-88/DG.13, dated
14 June 2018), the Secretariat has begun planning the inspections at the sites
identified by the OPCW-United Nations Joint Investigative Mechanism in its third
and fourth reports, in accordance with paragraph 10 of Council decision
EC-83/DEC.5. The Secretariat also continues to monitor the security situation
through the United Nations Department of Safety and Security to identify permissive
security conditions for those inspections. '' With regard to paragraph 11 of Council decision EC-83/DEC.5, the Director-General
in the aforementioned report provided information on the status of the Secretariat’s
two rounds of inspections that were conducted at each of the Barzah and Jamrayah
facilities of the Scientific Studies and Research Centre in 2017 and, also as previously reported, noted that the results of the analysis of samples taken during those
inspections did not indicate the presence of scheduled chemicals, and that the
inspection teams did not observe any activities inconsistent with obligations under the
Convention. ''
So technically except in the reply of the so-called ''questions of the Convention'' you provided, in all cases this pdf does not officially indicate or confirm any illegal action by the Syrian goverment up to now...
In any case I still can't see how there can be men so retarded as to buy in the western ''Saddam/Gaddafi/Assado/anyone else is ''using chemical weapons'' narrative. The American goverment has freaking used the most internationally banned weapons countless times, in Syria they used uranium and its allies(YPG or the internationally recognised terrorists of the FSA) have been confirmed of using chemical weapons at least 4 times.
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@JustYourRandomTurk The Byzantine empire when the population was forced to convert was the Eastern Roman empire, when the conversions were happening, the official language was Latin, not Greek. The Romans were conquerors of Greeks among many other populations, it was only during the last centuries of the Roman empire that it started getting hellenized, mostly because of the shrinking of the borders. Even to that forced conversion, most Greeks were victims. Nonetheless, there is a great difference between what the Byzantines and the Ottomans did to convert people into another religion and what the Turks did. The first two did it purely because of religious beliefs, meaning you could at least survive if you converted to a different faith even if you didn't mean it. But the Turks in 1914-1922 being nationalists wanted to replace the old religious Ottoman system that was multiethnic with a nationalist state where the Turkish ethnicity would be dominant, like the ones the western states had. But since the empire itself was multiethnic and the Turks were inhabiting lands foreign to them and being conquerors, they were minority, they needed to extinguish all other non-Turkish ethnicities. And the ethnicity, unlike religion is biologically-determined, meaning either you were a Turk, or you were dead!!! That's an essential difference between religious persecution/massacre and a GENOCIDE!!!
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joseaca I am glad you talk in civilized way and not with insults and racism(quite uncommon on youtube haha). I believe however you should make a research on the other side of the true events of what's going on and not the narrative the media always portray things and all the myths they make up against us according to their interests and who have every interest to cause hatred against a people in order to not see the root of the problem. For example a very common myth is what they claim about the ''rich Greek early pensioner'' , in reality however 44.8% of Greek pensioners live under the poverty line, 89.4% are over 61 years, while the average waiting period from retirement before a pension payment is made is 4 years
. Also even before the crisis though I do not deny that there were many corruptions in it(like in every country), we had one of the SMALLEST PUBLIC SECTORS IN EUROPE and they were keeping up the economy while the public workers were working more hours than any others in the world. Again I do not deny corruption existed, I do not deny tax evasion existed, but these things FREAKING EXIST everywhere(Britain is number 1 in tax exasion even today) and they are nothing but a small piece of the whole big cake and a pure disorientation from the actual root of the problem. For the truth is no matter how corrupted a common people can be, they can never eat as many as the the politicians and the economic elite can. The worldwide credit financial system we live in has enslaved all nation states in the world, especially in europe, everyone is indebted to private banks, central banks are all private and the fact that cash is being printed automatically INDEBTS the states. Just look on the world debt map dude, the US has 19 trillions of dollars for debt, France has 2.5 trillion debt and Belgium's public debt is about 105% of GDP. All the states in the world have 84 trillion debt together to PRIVATE BANKS, and Greece hasn't even reached 500 billions of euros in debt and you actually believe the Greek people are the root of the problem and that the way Greece manages economy has anything to do with what we are now??
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joseaca @joseaca The main wage of the Greek public sector is about 1050-1100 euros per month(without the taxes which reduce it at least 30%) and the pensions in them depend on how many years you work. If you were a public worker with 1100 euros wage and worked for 25 years, your pension will be about 611 euros, if you worked for 41 years about 849.
If you are in high ranking position(such as a general of the defence, a director or a manager of public company ) the main wage is about 1500
euros, and if you have worked for 25 years your pension is about 694 euros, if you have worked for 41 about 1000 euros.
All these in the public sector, which is less than 5% of the population(about 560.000 public workers out of 10.000.000 million population), I am not even talking about the private sector in which the situation is tragic, with the lowest wage WITHOUT TAXES being about 740 euros, while before the crisis it was about 960. Before the crisis it was 40% more than the above, the main wage in the public sector was about 1500-1600 euros per month(a little more than the average lowest wage in the private sector of Germany). All these with GDP of Greece even now after the crisis being about 200 billions of euros. Now do the math, and if you think such wages can even in the slightest degree be comparable to to the German ones, I will facepalm quite hard.
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joseaca ''uhh yes it does, thats how the state funds itself, via taxes, now you can argue its necessary and so on, but the fact remains, its funded from your pocket
' The state funds itself from 2 factors: 1)Material production public services(such as public oil production companies, electricity, water and so on). 2) Taxxing private businesses. Now as long as Big businesses(private big banks, industries, cartels, ship-owners and so on) tax-evade lawfully and even small businesses do tax-evade, from whom does the state derive this money?? That's right from cutting money from material production public service workers, who will pay both the tax-evasions of the private sector as well as the parts of the public sector that do not economically benefit a state but are still necessary(such as hospitals, military, teachers and so on). Sell these material productive public services and the economy of a state is dead.... ''i actually agree with privatization because of a simple fact, the public sector its inherently far less efficient than the private sector, it has no real incentive to be productive, a public company cant go bankrupt the government will simply pour more money into it
'' That's a neoliberal myth that can be debunked quite easily: See the most productive nations of the EU, such as Norway or Sweden. These nations have the HIGHEST PUBLIC SECTOR in Europe, and are the most productive at the same time. ''money that comes from you'' Uhm you do realise that the fact that you even speak of money or currency of any kind you owe it to state laws don't you?? ''but it seems this same law also raised teacher pensions to 50% of their base wage, is this correct?'' Not all teachers only for writers, poets or artists who have been distinguished for their works and have been recognised as such. Google translate sucks on all levels in translating...
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Progess itself in humanity existed and still partly exists because conflicts and competitions existed either on the individual or the national level. Without them human nature is doomed to exist without differences, without incentives for changes without any kind of actual progress either in the individual or the national level. Ironically what you consider as ''a lot better'' is in fact much worse and the claim that being ''new'' implies better is simply a silly propaganda of them to legalise their existence. All ideologies or religions that came up claiming to represent peace for all humans have always ended up creating totalitarian regimes way worse, oppresive, dark, murderous and war-mongerous than what preceded them. Christianity came up as ''bringer of peace'' first, what was the result of its dominion?? Many things that resemble modern totalitarianism totally unknown in pre-christian times such as intolerance towards philosophy, science and different opinions than religious dogmatic sects, religious sectarian wars, persecution on knowledge, dark ages and what's more and the same goes for Islam. In the same level, Liberalism during the French revolution came up claiming to represent ''freedom and eternal peace for mankind and human rights'' what came after that?? Terror, Napoleo wars which resulted in the death of millions(a number that in no way existed in the ''empire wars'') and of course an exploitation of workers by the bourgeoisie way worse than in the Feudal age. Same goes for communism, which also claimed to represent ''liberation of workers, unity of mankind and eternal peace'', what did the Russian revolution bring in the end with the Bolseviks?? The most murderous regime that had existed in history since the Dark ages, while the Tsarist regime of the Russian empire didn't execute more than 9.000 people from 1830-1917(most of them having died in hard labour and exiles), the Soviet system counted 20.000.000 deaths in 30 years. All ideologies that claim to work for the ''whole mankind'' and claiming peace are doomed to failure simply because they are unnatural, they claim to represent the interests of all mankind without men themselves, therefore excluding from humanity as well as the right to live in the ''perfect worlds'' they claim to bring anyone who doesn't follow them. Same goes for all ''pacifists'' who claim to want to bring eternal peace by making wars on wars without comprehending how self-contradictory that is. And there have been many more wars since the time of WW2 than there were before then after UN and what's coming up is much more destructive for the countries that live in it, it's just that you do not feel the consequences yet because you live in USA or a North European country(obviously). But believe me, as a historian undergraduate Ι can tell you one thing for sure, historically the wars of empires were MUCH less murderous than all those that happened in the name of ''progress and world orders'' of any kind.
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@fida80 Not really, though it's certainly BETTER than this, it's not THE solution. I am Greek and my country is totally family-oriented(though certainly not as much as it used to be), almost as much as Asia is and though family has certainly played a good role during the crisis(cause without parental support 70% of young men would be lying in streets by now), many parents tend to get very manipulative over their children. Parentocracy is a major problem in my opinion, though I love traditional values generally, it's not the best if you want to form an autonomous personality. The best solution is neither the western alienation nor the eastern tribalism which are both extremes at that point(in the first case you become a man where you feel your life completely mundane and senseless in the second you may satisfy your social human nature but at the same time you may have to tolerate people you may not necessarily like only because they are blood relatives to you) but the middle solution, to have your privacy but also trying to socialise yourself as much as possible. Create purposes in your life, try to discover, read, make interests(such as movies gaming and so on), create authenticity in your life and that way you may connect with other people by discovering things you have in common. The internet can also help as much in that purpose. Friendship is the treasure of our hearts!!!
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joseaca ''every public worker's wage comes from your pocket''' No it doesn't, it depends on what kind of public service you mean by that. If you mean public services that produce material supplies(such as electricity, water, phones and so on) from these public workers the whole state's economy depends, and it is from these public workers that the other public non-material services are being paid(such as teachers, military, police, doctors etc) as well as all the taxes for paying bank debts along with the taxes of the rich class(such as ship-owners) or much less the low class that tax-evade. The IMF however forced the goverment in 2010 to privatize the first kind of public services, and this is the main reason the incomes of the state decreased even more and the debt increased from 200 billions to 500 billions in the last 9 years. For now we have to borrow both to pay the debts to the banks as well as to pay the private investors that now own our former public services. Nonetheless Germany even before the crisis had much larger public sector than Greece and the wages of German public workers are about 4000-5000 or even more euros per month. ''''obviously dating back to 2007, and according to this, a greek pensioner could earn up to around 90% of the average wage in pensions, this compared to germany's 40%, that doesnt look sustainable, can you confirm?
'' This law(3620/2007) for the 90% of the wage in pension was voted in 2007 ONLY FOR pensioned men who had suffered from war(such as warrant officers, soldiers or generals) or who had been seriously damaged in health because of their services, not to any Greek pensioneer. Whoever wrote this is making serious propaganda.
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Veterans protecting your freedom? Just LOL lady. Protecting something means you are on defence stance. Name me ONE time after 1812-1815(or Pearl Harbour) that the USA has ever been on a defensive war, despite the fact that it has made more wars than any other nation in the planet. AFAIK apart from 1812-1815 and Pearl Harbour, the USA has always been the agressor and the illegal conqueror and invader with unbelievable criminal history of YOUR army and veterans in every country you happen to have invaded(unless you still buy on your fairytale that the Taliban organised 9/11 or that Saddam had WMD and had Al-qaeda connections, in that case I can barely even argue with you). Plus giving out the fact that there is no forced conscription in the USA, your ''veterans'' do nothing but travel to other countries to KILL PEOPLE FOR MONEY, therefore they are nothing more and nothing less than paid criminals.
Now until you explain to me how exactly did your ''freedom'' end up in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Vietnam or anywhere, I will ask this about your veterans. You decide to fly to someone else's country, thousands of miles from your home to drop White Phosphorus and Depleted Uranium on a people who have done you no harm and you come home complaining that you're suffering from PTSD?
Ever thought what those children who had your shit exploding all around them, if they were "lucky" enough to survive, must now be suffering from? Your media won't tell you about them, there won't be any panels of experts discussing their condition like they are discussing yours, no hospitals to offer them the treatment you're getting; you've flattened those. You're committing suicide because of guilt? Because it's the honourable thing to do?
Where were your guts when you were following an unlawful order, which was your right to refuse to follow as per the Serviceman's Manual? Why couldn't you stand up and say "Hell no, I'm not doing that, my parents didn't raise no mass murderers"? Where was your honour to put a gun to your head before you followed those unlawful orders and destroyed so many lives?
I don't want to hear about your PTSD, I won't feel any sympathy for you offing yourself, I certainly don't want to "thank you for your service" to the greedy old men who profited from your actions.
Take this from a non-American whose country happens to have suffered from all your beloved Murican policies. If my(or Khalifa's or anyone's) words seem ''disrespectful'' to you and upset you, your country's actions should prompt you to rebel against a system that is turning your children into callous murderers. I'm not here to caress your ears, I speak from the heart and like it or not, that is not about to change. You can choose to bury your head in the sand and start your attacks and offences, , or you can consider how the rest of the world views American " humanitarian interventions" and the role played by your sons and daughters in uniform and perhaps do something to change that view. It all starts from the home.
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From which ''others'' did ''we'' borrow money from and for what reason??? Do you actually know what money exists for?? If other states had printed money and given them to us without production and loans coming back to them, the euro currency would devalue and inflation would rise so much that they would have collapsed immediately. It's totally dumb you have to be totally uneducated to believe it. No western country's central bank can actually print money for this reason since 1974. And the Lisbon Treaty of 2007 totally forbids it for this reason. That's why it's the credit banks that loan states and this is how money is printed in the credit bank system of post-modern capitalism. To prevent inflation. And Greece joined that system by joining the EU. The problem is Greece's GDP was incapable of competing with the GDP of Germany's and other European country's economies. And the credit system, though saved western countries from inflation, created high nation debts as well as giant trade debt in ALL WESTERN countries. In other words all western countries Borrow from banks and ALL have debt, in fact much higher than Greece had before 2010. But this system faced crisis in 2008 with Lehman brothers, and all borrowers left weaker European countries and went to economically stronger ones like in Germany, and noone was buying bonds from south Europe. This caused however a destruction for Greek banks and their need for recapitalisation without which the eurozone would collapse through domino effect, and which was impossible because Greece is in the eurozone so we have no national currency for repicalisation while bonds purchase is needed to raise the credit rate of trade banks. And since noone was loaning and Germany NEEDED to loan since a massive turn of Europe's bonds to them would result in inflation of German economy, they proposed to loan Greece massive billions of euros with low interest rate, but in return memorandums were signed, violating the national sovereignity in Greece, and politicans and the media were lying to the people of Europe that this was about Greek public debt when in realitiy it was about saving the credit system of Europe from collapsing. Which is why the loans of 2010 and on, instead of decreasing public debt in fact increased it like no time ever in history. Greek sovereignity was through economic means violated, public services of vital importance were sold to private companies, the defences were weakened, incomes dropped 70%, unemployment went up 40%(70% in youth), shops were closed one after another, thousands lost their jobs, children at schools were hungry, people were commiting suicide and all in the name of ''paying public debt to credit banks'' when it was nothing more than saving the credit system through which the USA and Germany still exist as superpowers and live in luxury. In other words, we paid the price of your broken credit system, our lives were sacrificed for your banks and you insult us as being the cause of it, having your media brainwashing you that we ''loaned'' and don't want to pay. That's why the Greeks said NO in the referendum of 2015, yet the government continued to serve European usurers!!! This is what happened, next time educate yourself before opening your f** mouth!!
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Capitalism is of course the leading cause behind all this, and uses ideologically cultural Marxism to achieve its end goals, which are abolition of nation-states and traditions, the disenchantment the world, to underminining of religion, to turn family into a social contract in the name of global markets and in the end Marxism and Liberalism despite their virtual hostility, basically belong to the same universe and are both the heirs of Enlightenment thought: they share the same individualism, even the same universal egalitarianism, the same rationalism, the same primacy of economics, the same stress on the emancipatory value of labor, the same faith in progress, the same idea of an end of history.
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'' Therefore wait for me, says the LORD,
for the day when I arise as a witness.
For my decision is to gather nations,
to assemble kingdoms,
to pour out upon them my indignation,
all the heat of my anger;
for in the fire of my passion
all the earth shall be consumed.
without people, without inhabitants.'
At that time I will change the speech of the peoples
to a pure speech,
that all of them may call on the name of the LORD
and serve him with one accord.
From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia
my suppliants, my scattered ones,
shall bring my offering. (Zephania 3.6-3.9)
This is what the Sovereign Lord says:
“See, I will beckon to the nations,
I will lift up my banner to the peoples;
they will bring your sons in their arms
and carry your daughters on their hips.
Kings will be your foster fathers,
and their queens your nursing mothers.
They will bow down before you Israel with their faces to the ground;
they will lick the dust at your feet. (Isaiah 49, 22-23)
''Arise, shine, for your light has come,
and the glory of the Lord rises upon you.
but now darkness covers the earth
and thick darkness is over the nations,
but the Lord rises upon you
and his glory appears over you.
Nations will come to your light,
and kings to the brightness of your dawn.
Lift up your eyes and look about you:
All assemble and come to you;
your sons come from afar,
and your daughters are carried on the hip.
Then you will look and be radiant,
your heart will throb and swell with joy;
the wealth on the seas will be brought to you,
to you the riches of the nations will come.
Foreigners will rebuild your walls,
and their kings will serve you.
Though in anger I struck you,
in favor I will show you compassion.
Your gates will always stand open,
they will never be shut, day or night,
so that people may bring you the wealth of the nations—
their kings led in triumphal procession.
For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish;
it will be utterly ruined.
“The glory of Lebanon will come to you,
the juniper, the fir and the cypress together,
to adorn my sanctuary;
and I will glorify the place for my feet.
The children of your oppressors will come bowing before you;
all who despise you will bow down at your feet
and will call you the City of the Lord,
Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
I will make you the everlasting pride
and the joy of all generations.
You will drink the milk of nations
and be nursed with royal treasures.
Then you will know that I, the Lord, am your Savior. (Isaiah 60)
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@ebhole ''you realize every single human came from africa right? '' First of all what you say has been disproven gazillion times. We don't know if homo erectus or homo sapiens should be categorised as the first ''homo'' and second it has been proven that so many modern humans have also Homo erectus and Neatherdal dna(and the first homo erectus or Neatherdal bones have not been from Africa) and not only of Homo sapiens (that is supposed to have come from Africa), which means that during evolution there has been an obvious interbreeding between different human species in different continents to formulate what we are today. Also we don't know when or where fire was first discovered or if it was discovered in one place or in different places in different times. ''Read it again with that context.'' What he said was stupid and ignorant obviously but what you said(that from the european continent only came the industrial revolution) is also ahistorical and ignorant. ''They were pyramids in Egypt before there was ever a Greece.'' You obviously have no clue about the Minoan civilization of Greece. The great civilization of Minoan Crete existed at least 1000 years before the pyramid of Giza(the oldest pyramid of Egypt) and we've had Neolithic settlements in Thessaly of central Greece that date to at least the 6th millenium BC. Check them up. Also the Minoans had built palaces in the third millenium BC but were destroyed by the volcano of Thera. How could they build palaces if they did not know mathematics as you say?? In any case as I said, you Americans(cause you are obviously a Nigerian-American and not a native Nagerian) need to learn the difference between continents, countries and nations/cultures. Africa, Europe, Asia are CONTINENTS not countries or civilizations. The ancient Greeks and Egyptians as well as middle easterns(Babylonians, Persians, Phoeniceans etc) were Mediterraneans and had more cultural connection with each other than Egyptians with Sub-saharans or Greeks with the ancient Germans or Celts, who compared to Egyptians, Persians or Greeks they were still on a primitive stage of civilization. So learn the difference between continents and cultures and understand that when civilizations are close one to another, there are cultural interconnections that formulate civilizations and there are no ''invisible walls'' that seperate continents and even less identities.
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My dear British and WASP Americans or other Western/North Europeans, I truly have a genuine question for you, no offence intended so please I want civilised and rational reply. You all say that mass migration is a disaster and that immigrants(especially those from Asia or Africa though Americans mostly hate Mexicans, potentially illegal and most especially if they are muslims) who enter your countries are barbarians, dogs, dirty and what else, that they can't be assimilated(cause somehow they are illegal, have no rights, home, family or whatever but must magically assimilate somehow) and you all cry everywhere in all videos about how they must all depart to clean your countries and that your politicians are traitors for opening up borders etc etc. My question is this: let's suppose for a minute that tomorrow, according to your wishes your elites and governments magically change their minds and decide to kick them all immigrants(along with their relatives, women, children etc) out of your countries. What would then become of your economies??
I will be more speccific: According to official statistics, the median age of U.K is 41 years old, meaning that the vast majority of British population is middle aged or already old pensioners while your youth or at least employed population occupy themselves mostly white collar-employed(25.7% of your jobs in U.K are working in professional jobs, another 10% are clerks, officials, headmasters etc). Which means that not only your youth is minority when compared to the majority of your local population, not only are they expensive and inadequate for blue collar jobs, but at the same since most of them are unwilling to work at manual labour jobs, SO IMPORTANT for a country's economy and giving out the fact how many immigrants, through being uneducated and unspecialised DO actually work at such hard-working places, WHO IS GOING TO REPLACE THEM if all immigrants were to leave tomorrow?? Please explain that to me, cause I am totally at loss!!!
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@sukruakova9674 '' who speaks Turkish or converted to religion in countries such as Greece, Serbia, Croatia'' Bosnians and Albanians did convert to Islam and that got them full rights(like Western Thracians and Pomaks). And this answers the question for why many did not convert to Islam. Not because of any ''Turkish tolerance'' obviously but because the Ottomans did not want the Christians to convert to Islam cause in that case, they would have to be granted full rights and that would strip them of the source of the Ottoman economy that would be slaves.
I know what Notaras and Scholarios said and the split between pro-western uniatists and anti-uniatists back then(no need to teach me my history). Notaras betrayed his king Constantine Palaiologos by hiding treasures that he had in his possesion during the siege of Constantinople to trade it with Mehmed for privileges and freedoms after the fall(thank god Mehmed executed him for that). As for Scholarios, he was appointed Patriarch by Mehmed himself to rule Christians under Ottoman boot and he like most Patriarchates of Constantinople after him until today, he served Turkish interests(no surprise Greek rebels and most Balkan nations that got liberated from the Ottomans wanted their autocephaly churches).
But yes it's true that many Greeks and other Orthodox Christians back then, having been traumatised by the atrocities of Western European Crusaders, ended up preffering the Turks as ''lesser evil'' than westerns and it's also true that because Ottomans being muslims, wanted non-muslims as slaves, they tended to be more ''tolerant'' towards the Orthodox Christians when compared with the westerns(though no less oppressive of course). That however changed totally after the rise of the Young Turks that replaced the old Ottoman system and their trial to westernise Turkey, creating with the advices o Germany a nation-state of ''Turkey only for Turks''!!!
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Yeah and pigs can fly.
“See, I will beckon to the nations,
I will lift up my banner to the peoples;
they will bring your sons in their arms
and carry your daughters on their hips.
Kings will be your foster fathers,
and their queens your nursing mothers.
They will bow down before you Israel with their faces to the ground;
they will lick the dust at your feet. (Isaiah 49, 22-23)
''Arise, shine, for your light has come,
and the glory of the Lord rises upon you.
but now darkness covers the earth
and thick darkness is over the nations,
but the Lord rises upon you
and his glory appears over you.
Nations will come to your light,
and kings to the brightness of your dawn.
Lift up your eyes and look about you:
All assemble and come to you;
your sons come from afar,
and your daughters are carried on the hip.
Then you will look and be radiant,
your heart will throb and swell with joy;
the wealth on the seas will be brought to you,
to you the riches of the nations will come.
Foreigners will rebuild your walls,
and their kings will serve you.
Though in anger I struck you,
in favor I will show you compassion.
Your gates will always stand open,
they will never be shut, day or night,
so that people may bring you the wealth of the nations—
their kings led in triumphal procession.
For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish;
it will be utterly ruined.
“The glory of Lebanon will come to you,
the juniper, the fir and the cypress together,
to adorn my sanctuary;
and I will glorify the place for my feet.
The children of your oppressors will come bowing before you;
all who despise you will bow down at your feet
and will call you the City of the Lord,
Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
I will make you the everlasting pride
and the joy of all generations.
You will drink the milk of nations
and be nursed with royal treasures.
Then you will know that I, the Lord, am your Savior. (Isaiah 60)
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You may have good points at times but your enormous pro-Western bias(the fact that you consider the whole west, meaning Europe and USA to be culturally homogenous when Americanism is killing European traditions and you buy into the ''clash of Civilisations'' narrative) causes you to eliminate historical reality, and thus falling on the level of being full of shit quite often.
1)No the USA isn't the greatest country on earth. It's OBJECTIVELY quite inferior in many cultural and social aspects compared to many other countries(most especially from Europe) and the delusion of Americans that their country is ''extraordinary'' and all the others ''terrible'' strips them of the willingness to evolve. In fact it's not even a nationality, it's nothing but a bucket of immigrants(economic or colonial slaves) coming from all parts of the planet that were concentrated in this part of the planet by colonialists, rebelled against these colonialists and then the richest ethnic group of them( white Anglo-Americans) considered themselves to be the leading ethnic group of the country and that they lived there forever, and thus started oppressing other racial groups while establishing an imperialistic state no less oppressive and ambitious than their British predecessors.
2)0:35 ''America was found on a revolt against imperialism'' And how did that prevent American after ''independence'' to create colonies in South America, Liberia in Africa and Oceania and becoming the most militarist imperialist state that exists even today.
3)0:55 ''If whites committed genocide by bringing deseases''' Nice strawman argument to counter but the thing is, name me one person that ever blamed European imperialists for bringing diseases. Noone ever blames European powers for that but for massive slavery, massacres and forced conversions of Native Americans to the Christian religion, which were the the causes of genocide. Do the Spanish expansionism in Latin America and Cortez ring a bell to you mate??
Time for history lesson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples
Also learn the difference between conquest and genocide. The Mayas may have been conquering other native american tribes and enslaved them but did not Intentionally eliminate them like the European powers did. In the centuries after European colonialism more than hundreds of millions of native americans died, I don't think such numbers of deaths existed during the Mayan imperialism.
4)1:10 '''America abolished slavery in 1865'' Sure like Europe during colonial period in 1820-1840 and then replaced it with wage slavery by making slaves ''free'' proletariats who after that wished they lived in the slave period since at least back then they could be fed. That's not ''abolition of slavery'' that's replacement of one slavery for another, which in this case was even worse after the ''abolition'''. Which means slavery was only abolished in papers because capitalists during the industrial revolution wanted cheap labour.
5)2:14 '' it would take racist white cops 40 years to kill as many black men as died at the hands of other black men in 2012 alone. Why the hell is that America's faut'' Uhm I thought you considered blacks to be part of America.
6)Women do have rights in America, only thing is the most powerfull European countries(among whom communist Russia was one of them in 1917) gave women suffrage before the USA so you can't call that ''America's achievement'' and call it great because of that.
7) 2:42 ''In Afghanistan they burn down schools to prevent them getting an education'' Yeah, so much for the ''path to freedom'' your beloved USA has bestowed upon people, and the Afghans know this ''freedom'' quite well especially when this ''great country'' of yours supported the mujahideen in 1979-1992 and got the forerunners of the Taliban in power, replacing the former secular system that existed before that was based on the egalitarianism of genders.
(I don't even need to mention the fact that the oppressive regime of Saudi Arabia that you claim to be so ''horrified'' about was established and continues to exist thanks to both the economic and military support of the oh-so-Great America of yours and your beloved British kingdom, both of whom support the genocide of Yemenis that is happening in the last years and among the Presidents that support Saudis is your beloved Donald).
8) You say ''America is great cause you have the fucking freedom to say that America was never great'' Yeah but not the freedom to criticise Israel, question that 6 million jews died (and not even 1 less) or go against the ''Patriot act'' by publishing the immoral atrocities of intelligence services and goverments, then you risk being labelled as antisemite, racist, terrorist, traitor and of course being censored and arrested(without warrant) or even end up in Guantanamo bay and even be executed.
Also it's funny how you (someone who complains all the time about censorship and the intolerance of Political correctness) suddenly happen to be defending the supposed ''freedom of speech'' of the state that ESTABLISHED political correctness and from which it came to Europe.
9) Let's see your arguments about the supposed ''greatness'' of Murica:
i)''America ended slavery'' Almost all European countries got that first and just like in America the result was replacement with wage slavery.
ii) ''Gave women the right to vote'' North Europe got that too decades before as well. Also the US created third wave feminism and we all know its results.
iii)''enshrined free speech'' Well I am pretty sure Julian Assange as well as the thousands who ended up in execution or Guantanamo Bay without prosecutor's warrant would disagree with this ''enshrinement of free speech'''. You will as usual blame only the liberals for that, but these own the cultural establishment only in the last few decades. In older periods it was the cons who owned the cultural and political establishment in the USA and with McCarthysm the cons(half of US voters) proved themselves to be no less intolerant than the other half(libs) if they got full authority.
iv) ''allowed the citizens the right to self-defense'' And mass-shootings at schools as well, but let's suppose that this is partly ''positive'', the political establishment of the US now wants to strip that right from the citizens.
v)''generated untold wealth through free-market capitalism'' which ended up in the hands of a few thousand greedy sociopaths who control goverments through this wealth, starved the American people in 1928-1932 and are capable of rather destroying the whole planet than losing their profits.
vi)''and went to the moon'' So did China!!! And the Soviet union went to the space before the US and if it wasn't for the technological Soviet support at that period, Murica wouldn't see the moon even in dreams. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2018/08/01/us-space-contractor-signs-deal-continue-buying-russian-rocket-engines-a62409
10)''if America is so bad why does everyone want to get there, I will tell you why because Mexico is a shithole, Guatemala is a shithole and Guatemala is a shithole'' Sure and they are SHITHOLES because all these countries have been US colonies and the US SHITTED UPON them all these years. So the people there are starving thanks to American colonialism and want to enter the US for a while to get 10 dollars through cheap labor and then return to their countries(and the 10 dollars will be considered rich since the value of the currency in these countries is quite low). And giving out what Latin America has suffered because of the US, it's no surprise they celebrate their national holidays for their liberation.
11)''The history of the world is the history struggle, conquest and warfare'' Sure but the thing is, not all nations or conquerors have committed genocides like the US and your ''United Kingdom'' colonial empire (among some other conquerors in history of course) has.
12)''But America led the world in the march towards prosperity, equality and freedom''' This among other craps you said will remain for those who have the slighest sense of history and want to laugh, one of the century's greatest jokes. We(non-Americans) all lived what this ''prosperity and freedom'' imply, all peoples lived it after WWII and on, from Germans to the Japanese(especially those who experienced the atomic bombs), Koreans, Greeks, the French, the Middle East(especially Iraqis, Afghans and Syrians as well as Iranis), Latin Americans and Africans as well(especially Libyans and Somalians in the recent periods) and of course the Vietnamese and Indonesians among others. Speaking for my country(Greece), the ''road to freedom, equality and prosperity you are talking about'' I can summarise it with events that ''signify'' the American ''greatness'' here, among which is the bombing of my country during the civil war(both by the US and Britain), the illegal interventions of the CIA to elections and the country's policies, the support of the US to the illegal occupation of Cyprus by the Turks and the establishment of a 7-years dictatorship in 1967-1974 by the CIA. And seriously my country may be poor in economy and has the most traitorous politicians that exist(who only serve western interests) but at least neither mine nor even the WORST third world country had given the ''prosperity and freedom''' to its goverment to experiment by using atomic weapons against its own people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plumbbob
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'' Therefore wait for me, says the LORD,
for the day when I arise as a witness.
For my decision is to gather nations,
to assemble kingdoms,
to pour out upon them my indignation,
all the heat of my anger;
for in the fire of my passion
all the earth shall be consumed.
without people, without inhabitants.'
At that time I will change the speech of the peoples
to a pure speech,
that all of them may call on the name of the LORD
and serve him with one accord.
From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia
my suppliants, my scattered ones,
shall bring my offering. (Zephania 3.6-3.9)
This is what the Sovereign Lord says:
“See, I will beckon to the nations,
I will lift up my banner to the peoples;
they will bring your sons in their arms
and carry your daughters on their hips.
Kings will be your foster fathers,
and their queens your nursing mothers.
They will bow down before you Israel with their faces to the ground;
they will lick the dust at your feet. (Isaiah 49, 22-23)
''Arise, shine, for your light has come,
and the glory of the Lord rises upon you.
but now darkness covers the earth
and thick darkness is over the nations,
but the Lord rises upon you
and his glory appears over you.
Nations will come to your light,
and kings to the brightness of your dawn.
Lift up your eyes and look about you:
All assemble and come to you;
your sons come from afar,
and your daughters are carried on the hip.
Then you will look and be radiant,
your heart will throb and swell with joy;
the wealth on the seas will be brought to you,
to you the riches of the nations will come.
Foreigners will rebuild your walls,
and their kings will serve you.
Though in anger I struck you,
in favor I will show you compassion.
Your gates will always stand open,
they will never be shut, day or night,
so that people may bring you the wealth of the nations—
their kings led in triumphal procession.
For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish;
it will be utterly ruined.
“The glory of Lebanon will come to you,
the juniper, the fir and the cypress together,
to adorn my sanctuary;
and I will glorify the place for my feet.
The children of your oppressors will come bowing before you;
all who despise you will bow down at your feet
and will call you the City of the Lord,
Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
I will make you the everlasting pride
and the joy of all generations.
You will drink the milk of nations
and be nursed with royal treasures.
Then you will know that I, the Lord, am your Savior. (Isaiah 60)
Care to explain the above??
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Master Junta Jasra
You do realise that such a list is a guarantee for parent failure don't you?? People(and especially young ones) require motivations to change lifestyle, they do not change just because a parent or someone else bans them and sits on the high horse of a masculine privileged asshole and tells them what they should and what they shouldn't do. Inspiring fear to children will only cause them to become completely humble and socially disabled persons isolated from their social environment out of fear of meeting consequences(though he most likely will use smartphones or what you ban him in secret with the support of his friends). That may work to prevent him from the internet until his 11,12,13 or at most until his 14 years of age, until the boy grows up, starts to become a teenager, grows in masculinity too(biologically or through gym etc) and starts thinking ''wait I am not my dad's property, I am a social being with political rights'', so in the end he will hate you for attracting him from his social environment, he will offend you and completely ignore your warnings or in a worst case scenario he will return all the ''punishments'' and slaps you gave him at his young age when he is an adult and you will be an old man and won't be able to face him back. Or he will be a completely socially disabled person and will become mad to any person he meets easily because of the anger he will be keeping for you since his childhood. Yet one thing is certain this will certainly not prevent him from using the internet in his teen age or become as much addicted to it as the rest of society. In fact it will make it even worse, since what is banned from a person(especially parential authority which is always questioned with the growing of age) is always more attractive to him....
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@lUnderdogl '' Greece indipendence movements didnt stop after 1829'' Yes and all of them failed, for with the exception of Thessaly and Arta in 1881-2 that came after Turkish defeat by Russia and a treaty that followed, no lands were given to Greece before the Balkan wars(the Ionian islands maybe but these were under British and not ottoman occupation). The revolts happened in regions that were 90% Greek populated yet for some reason, the few Turks that lived there were the most privileged and were the slave masters of the majority, so yes many revolts happened to get rid of the oppressors. And everytime a revolt failed, the enslaved population would face brutal slavery and executions and ethnic cleansing from the Ottoman authorities, that is government-orchastrated. And I don't deny that rebels, being paramilitary groups and thus not capable of being controlled may commit atrocities from time to time, but the greek rebels were not government-orchastrated so you can't count them as ''genocide'', cause their actions are by definition not based on official orders. We can't say the same however about the Ottomans, cause for every revolt the Greek population may had triggered, the Sultan would execute Greek civilians from other regions of the empire for retaliation. So that Greek cities and villages and families in islands or parts of Anatolia that may had zero connection with Greek rebels in the european part, would face executions, destruction, rapes and enslavements by the Ottoman government while their only crime was that they belonged to the same ethnic group with the rebels from the other side of the empire that happened to rebel against their oppression there. So yeah Turkish crimes can't be compared to Greek ones.
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@ГрубанМалић We don't have the direct age demographics but we DO have the Spartan laws. And the Spartan laws were openly saying that every Spartan would not be allowed to marry under 30 while at the same time all historians agreed that there were a lot of people with families in the army. Also Spartan laws were saying that the Spartans would train until the age of 60 while a man in his 20s was considered ''unskilled warrior''. Why the hell would they follow harsh training and engage in so many activities until the age of 60 if they were not recruited?
Also 30s wasn't even considered middle aged, both Pythagoras and Plato would rank the 30s as ''young'' and middle age would start at 40.
What you say is simply wrong. Skill surpasses biological youth in many factors and you can see that in many sports. The athletes do not retire by 35 because they are old but because most peak then in their career(since most start as adolescents) and then they prefer to move on to other sectors in their lives, such as making families, enjoying their money and so on. But there are countless examples of athletes past 35 who still have career and their skills are simply awesome. Christiano Ronaldo and Leonel Messi are prime examples. And these only in football, I won't even mention people in martial arts like kickboxing where you can even see champions going pro in the 40s or 50s.
In the end, a man's skills and endurance doesn't end in his 30s and his appearance isn't supposed to change much. If all these change as soon as by then, then this has more to do with western lifestyle choices, such as not exercising, bad sleep, bad food, smoking, alcohol, sedentary life and so on. Western lifestyle is like hitting your head on a wall and will certainly have severe consequences not only in your 30s but potentially even in your 20s, premature aging being among them.
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@tmcd237 ''its not as massive or as brutal'' As massive?? Dude the Ottoman empire in the 16th century alone is estimated to have 20% of its population enslaved. And we are talking about an empire that reached about 50 millions of population in its peak. Unlike western countries in the 18th century who started changing their economic means during the 18th century replacing slaves with wage workers because the system in the west started to become more and more capitalistic, the Ottoman empire still based most of its economy on slavery. Also care to translate what ''as brutal'' means for you?? How exactly do you measure brutality in terms of quantity?? How exactly would a Serbian, Greek or Bulgarian christian slave suffer any less if he was forced to work in mines with flogging or could be beheaded and tortured with cutting his arms in case of disobedience or would he suffer any less if an Ottoman aya or pasha decided to take his son never to see him again so that he would become janissarie or have his wife taken in chains for harems where the pasha could rape them anytime for his pleasure(I can name you THOUSANDS of historical example of how such things happened, we also have the so-called neo-martyrs in our Greek orthodox tradition)?? How would these women slaves suffer any less than the black ones?? Is there a more or ''less'' brutal rape according to you?? And if the above aren't enough to make up your mind, while in America during 1860s, slavery was officially banned, in 1914-1922 in both the Ottoman Empire and the modern Turkish state(yeah the one that is still in NATO), Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians and other Christian groups(countring MILLIONS of them) suffered an open genocide, most dying with direct tortures and executions, others being drowned in the sea, and others for forced labour until dying through malnutrition. But of course you are not going to be taught the above, cause Turkey has always been your US government's favourite ally. So don't try to be apologetic to your cognitive dissonance, learn history outside your textbooks about other countries and see reality outside the box of racialisation of everything that you've grown up with in America.
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@ata1088 See?? That's you all Turks do. You hypocritically speak of ''brotherhood'' or peace, but you are NEVER going to denounce your state's policies or your president's warmongering rhetoric in the least. Other nations committed crimes as well like the Italians, but unlike you THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE AND DO NOT TAKE PRIDE IN THEM LIKE YOU DO. Neither do they give equal blame towards the victims and the perpetrators of the crimes like you do. That's because unlike you, they are MORE CIVILISED. Cause no matter how much you try to put us in the same box of guilt, we DID NOT COMMIT GENOCIDES like you did and still do. A Turkish policeman literally MURDERED AN UNARMED CIVILIAN and instead of apologising or saying that his action was wrong, you either take pride claiming that he ''deserved it''(like many of your compatriots do in the comments) or you blameshift and try to say that we are all to blame because we ''do not understand each other or we are humiliating your values''. So tell us exactly what your ''values'' are mr Turk?? How do you define ''values''?? Do you even have any or you pretend that you do?? Or are your ''values'' claiming that the action of a man, no matter how wrong his action may have been about taking a piece of cloth that is your flag, justifies murder against him?? Or even saying that the Turkish invasion and colonisation of Cyprus is legitimate, despite the fact that you openly admit that Cyprus is mostly Greek. Sorry my friend, I am never going to ''understand'' such values of yours and I am never EVER going to live in peace with any person(in the case of the majority of a nation) who believes that the imaginary tearing of a flag justifies murder. And I am always going to denounce people with such ideas as barbarians, no matter how much they flatter me about our songs!! !!!
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@HK-pp9ig ''Germans love Greece and Greek antiquity'' Ah yes, you love ''Greek antiquity so much'', no surprise you looted so many of our antiquities worth trillions of euros that you never gave back!! Have you ever read what the NSDAP was saying about Greece mate?? What Hitler, Goebbels and most especially the person most important for Nazi Germany's ''education'' system, Alfred Rosenberg?? Read his disgusting propaganda book ''myth of the twentieth'' century(I remind you, this man was minister of education, that is responsible for the education of the young Germans) to see how much nazi Germans ''admired'' Greece. They admired ''Greece'' so much they wanted to appropriate it. They were pan-nordicists. Rosenberg was teaching the Germans that the Nordic ''Arryans''(e.g Germans), were the true creators of all great civilizations in this world(from Assyrians, Indians, Egyptians to Babylonians) and that with their ''superior'' blood they civilized ''inferior races''(like Alpics, Mediterraneans, Semites etc), giving them ''civilization that they never had''. Greece was no exception to that rule, since for the nazi Germans and their education representative Rosenberg, Greece was inhabited by ''inferior Pelasgic-semitic Mediterranean blood'' that was incapable of creating ''Arryan aristocratic'' civilization except ''inferior kinds of civilization''(like democracy, Dionysian religious cult etc) until the ''great and noble Nordic races'' immigrated to Greece during the second millenium BC from Arryans to ''Dorics'' who created the Mycaeneans, the Spartan and all Doric culture(among whom he counted the Acropolis of Athens as well) and with their ''disciplined and noble bloodline spirit'' gave Greece what ''humanity admires most'', but was destroyed eventually because with ''democracy'' the ''Arryan aristocratic tribes of ancient Greece'' were mixed up with the ''inferior Mediterranean Pelasgic- Semitic tribes'' which for Rosenberg ''destroyed ancient Greece''. And he was also saying that the modern Greeks had nothing to do with the ''noble part of ancient Greece''(which for them was the Arryan-Nordic-aristocratic races) but that we are instead a mixture of the ''inferior races of ancient Greece'' like Mediterranean ''Pelasgians and Semites'' mixed up with slavic bloodline that wanted to appropriate the ''magnitude of the Arryan ancient Greece'' that ''in fact belonged to the Nordics-Germans''. That was their ''admiration'' for the Greeks. We were second in causalities after the Russians officially, no matter how much you want to belittle the suffering your people brought upon us. As for the atrocities that Italians and others committed, come and visit Greek villages once and talk to so many old men and women who witnessed it first hand. Italians were the greatest rapists of women and are remembered as such everywhere, worse than even the Germans in that regard at least!!
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“See, I will beckon to the nations,
I will lift up my banner to the peoples;
they will bring your sons in their arms
and carry your daughters on their hips.
Kings will be your foster fathers,
and their queens your nursing mothers.
They will bow down before you Israel with their faces to the ground;
they will lick the dust at your feet. (Isaiah 49, 22-23)
''Arise, shine, for your light has come,
and the glory of the Lord rises upon you.
but now darkness covers the earth
and thick darkness is over the nations,
but the Lord rises upon you
and his glory appears over you.
Nations will come to your light,
and kings to the brightness of your dawn.
Lift up your eyes and look about you:
All assemble and come to you;
your sons come from afar,
and your daughters are carried on the hip.
Then you will look and be radiant,
your heart will throb and swell with joy;
the wealth on the seas will be brought to you,
to you the riches of the nations will come.
Foreigners will rebuild your walls,
and their kings will serve you.
Though in anger I struck you,
in favor I will show you compassion.
Your gates will always stand open,
they will never be shut, day or night,
so that people may bring you the wealth of the nations—
their kings led in triumphal procession.
For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish;
it will be utterly ruined.
“The glory of Lebanon will come to you,
the juniper, the fir and the cypress together,
to adorn my sanctuary;
and I will glorify the place for my feet.
The children of your oppressors will come bowing before you;
all who despise you will bow down at your feet
and will call you the City of the Lord,
Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
I will make you the everlasting pride
and the joy of all generations.
You will drink the milk of nations
and be nursed with royal treasures.
Then you will know that I, the Lord, am your Savior. (Isaiah 60)
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@tlqa The ''blue homeland'' is nothing but an irrational imperialist dream by Turks and your semi-insane islamist dictator, pretty similar to your dreams about reviving the Ottoman empire. Every day your warships pass through that sea ARE ILLEGAL and if our governments had any dignity and were not puppets of the USA who pander you, they should be sank by now. If ''respect'' in your language implies giving up our sovereignity on the sea, it will certainly not happen. Without sovereignity on the waters, the sovereignity on the isles is an empty name since then they become isolated. I most certainly know that you are not Syrians, you are their occupiers and just like you illegally stole Afrin and Idlib from them with your Islamist terrorists, so you want to do the same with our isles and Thrace but trust me IT WON'T happen. Syrians have my full sympathy like Armenians, they do know what it means to have neighbours like you.
'' in conscience that a nation from the east defeated you ANYTIME AND EVERYWHERE.'' My problem is not any ''nation from the east''. Armenians are also a nation of the east but we love them. My problem is that for 5 whole centuries we are all in the balkans and the middle east living under the brutal slavery of Ottomans and once tried to liberate ourselves from it we experienced a true brutal genocide and while Turkey not only hasn't recognised these genocides and continues its expansionist ambitions(the blue homeland being among them), your president pretends to be a ''protector of Palestinians'' when in reality both Turkey along with Israel are the main problems of the East and you pretty much act the same way while in all imperialist wars, you've been allies during the last decades. It's Turkish hypocrisy that angers me, not the fact that we lost. And the fact that just like with Israhell, the so called ''civilized west'' always does the blind eye with you and your crimes and also supports them.
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@shaunpatrick8345 '' if the economy relies on them, why are we told that they earn less than the average and are more likely to be unemployed?'' Because 1)That's how it works in capitalism, the one who is more important is the most ill-paid, especially if he is an immigrant. That's why a richer country opens up borders in the first place, to have more cheap labour force from poorer ones, who because they are poor, are more likely to be hard-working and tolerate poor wages compared to the native ones, who are more demanding and their labour force is more expensive. And 2) the more the labour force for such basic yet vitally important jobs, the more competition, the more competition for hiring, the more likely for many to be unemployed in these sectors or even ill-paid, cause they are interchangable, since they use mostly hands for their work. Unlike a white collar job such as a lawyer for example, who though certainly much less vital for the economy than the farmer or the factory worker, his job requires more specialisation in terms of language knowledge or judicial terms from colleges and universities and because of that there is less competition and less likely for him to be unemployed. However an economy may survive with less lawyers but certainly NOT with less farmers. Britain accounts for almost 200.000 farmers, among them 90.000 are immigrants. That applies to almost 50% of the agriculture labour force. This alone shows how much important immigrants are for British economy. If all immigrants were to leave Britain tomorrow, 50% of the agriculture food production of England would disappear or the prices would reach the aether, the result of this would be the starvation of the British population.
''they were not immigrants.'' Uhm yes they were, you can read about Irish immigrants in Britain anywhere. And ironically, these too were blamed back then by the British as criminals, thugs, illegals etc. The same terms applied today to modern immigrants.
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'' Therefore wait for me, says the LORD,
for the day when I arise as a witness.
For my decision is to gather nations,
to assemble kingdoms,
to pour out upon them my indignation,
all the heat of my anger;
for in the fire of my passion
all the earth shall be consumed.
without people, without inhabitants.'
At that time I will change the speech of the peoples
to a pure speech,
that all of them may call on the name of the LORD
and serve him with one accord.
From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia
my suppliants, my scattered ones,
shall bring my offering. (Zephania 3.6-3.9)
This is what the Sovereign Lord says:
“See, I will beckon to the nations,
I will lift up my banner to the peoples;
they will bring your sons in their arms
and carry your daughters on their hips.
Kings will be your foster fathers,
and their queens your nursing mothers.
They will bow down before you Israel with their faces to the ground;
they will lick the dust at your feet. (Isaiah 49, 22-23)
''Arise, shine, for your light has come,
and the glory of the Lord rises upon you.
but now darkness covers the earth
and thick darkness is over the nations,
but the Lord rises upon you
and his glory appears over you.
Nations will come to your light,
and kings to the brightness of your dawn.
Lift up your eyes and look about you:
All assemble and come to you;
your sons come from afar,
and your daughters are carried on the hip.
Then you will look and be radiant,
your heart will throb and swell with joy;
the wealth on the seas will be brought to you,
to you the riches of the nations will come.
Foreigners will rebuild your walls,
and their kings will serve you.
Though in anger I struck you,
in favor I will show you compassion.
Your gates will always stand open,
they will never be shut, day or night,
so that people may bring you the wealth of the nations—
their kings led in triumphal procession.
For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish;
it will be utterly ruined.
“The glory of Lebanon will come to you,
the juniper, the fir and the cypress together,
to adorn my sanctuary;
and I will glorify the place for my feet.
The children of your oppressors will come bowing before you;
all who despise you will bow down at your feet
and will call you the City of the Lord,
Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
I will make you the everlasting pride
and the joy of all generations.
You will drink the milk of nations
and be nursed with royal treasures.
Then you will know that I, the Lord, am your Savior. (Isaiah 60)
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Your thoughts are always in my mind. Hollywood has lost the concept of the hero actually. Because heroes are not just individuals whom we want to see just ''kicking ass'' and then going back home after 1.5-2-3 hours of empty action scenes. Heroes, both real or fictional, since ancient times through religion, mythology or history to modern times through art, are personalities that struggle, first of all with themselves, they overcome their weaknesses and give their lives for a great cause, or sacrifice themselves for the benefit of others. They are concepts of inspiration for humans and have been such since ancient times. But in order to inspire imitation and admiration in terms of virtue and causes in real life, they need to have human traits and not just be cartoons. Meaning that 1)their actions need to based on the evolution of a story and thus action must have an actual impact and not just be for a sterile ''panem et circenses''. 2) They need to inspire nostalgia and thus the feeling of missing them. Cause only when people miss something they actually end up estimating it more. And death only adds to that if it's not the real key to being a hero. If you remove ''death''', you remove the concept of hero, cause if death misses, then the ''hero'' has nothing human in him anymore and thus nothing that can be heroic. He/she becomes nothing but an action/killing machine with extraordinary levels of testosterone.
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''When you find a Jew who believes this, he probably doesn't hate you, he just blindly believes what his religion says.
'' Then I guess such a Jew is less radical than his own God of the Torah:
''Foreigners will rebuild your walls,
and their kings will serve you.
Though in anger I struck you,
in favor I will show you compassion.
Your gates will always stand open,
they will never be shut, day or night,
so that people may bring you the wealth of the nations—
their kings led in triumphal procession.
For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish;
it will be utterly ruined.
“The glory of Lebanon will come to you,
the juniper, the fir and the cypress together,
to adorn my sanctuary;
and I will glorify the place for my feet.
The children of your oppressors will come bowing before you;
all who despise you will bow down at your feet
and will call you the City of the Lord,
Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
I will make you the everlasting pride
and the joy of all generations.
You will drink the milk of nations
and be nursed with royal treasures.
Then you will know that I, the Lord, am your Savior. (Isaiah 60)
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Nice, Americans of colour vs white Americans compete with each other who has been the greatest victim of each other and who should pay who over historical crimes they never even lived into anyway. I have a better idea actually: instead of virtue signaling on who is the greatest victim and pretending to be so in order to draw attention from things of the past you weren't even born when they happened, how about you ALL Americans of all races(whether whites, blacks, reds or whatever) start paying reperations towards the real victims of your armies and your governments that lead them, that is countries like Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Sudan, Palestine(and the list goes on) whom your armies that you happen to pay with your taxes and the governments that you VOTE for have actually been invading, bombing and destroying for years?? Where your presidents that come to power with YOUR votes happen orchestrating the invasions in these countries, have imposed inhumane sanctions that destroyed their economies, bombed their infrascructures and their homes and families, lead their relatives and children and young sons and daughters to be slayed and raped by your armies or mercenaries and you have destroyed their ways of living while in the majority of them you established puppet governments that sell their wealth and you steal their resources that make you have the luxury of being behind your cameras, mobile phones and internet to play the victims?? And of course such reparations must be paid from COLOURED Americans as well, giving out the fact that they NOT ONLY pay taxes for such crimes to happen but they also typically VOTED for the Democratic party presidents(the Clintons and Obama) who(apart from Iraq and Afghanistan) started ALL the above wars!!! At least such reparations would make more sense, since people who lived the horrors of these wars your country inflicted are still alive and many of these countries are STILL at war and occupation by your troops. So how about that?? Ah yeah I forgot, such thoughts would get the coloured Americans out of their ''professional victimhood'' privilege and make them feel uncomfortable!!
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Yeah while the Torah is full of divine inspiration. LOL
'' Therefore wait for me, says the LORD,
for the day when I arise as a witness.
For my decision is to gather nations,
to assemble kingdoms,
to pour out upon them my indignation,
all the heat of my anger;
for in the fire of my passion
all the earth shall be consumed.
without people, without inhabitants.'
At that time I will change the speech of the peoples
to a pure speech,
that all of them may call on the name of the LORD
and serve him with one accord.
From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia
my suppliants, my scattered ones,
shall bring my offering. (Zephania 3.6-3.9)
This is what the Sovereign Lord says:
“See, I will beckon to the nations,
I will lift up my banner to the peoples;
they will bring your sons in their arms
and carry your daughters on their hips.
Kings will be your foster fathers,
and their queens your nursing mothers.
They will bow down before you Israel with their faces to the ground;
they will lick the dust at your feet. (Isaiah 49, 22-23)
''Arise, shine, for your light has come,
and the glory of the Lord rises upon you.
but now darkness covers the earth
and thick darkness is over the nations,
but the Lord rises upon you
and his glory appears over you.
Nations will come to your light,
and kings to the brightness of your dawn.
Lift up your eyes and look about you:
All assemble and come to you;
your sons come from afar,
and your daughters are carried on the hip.
Then you will look and be radiant,
your heart will throb and swell with joy;
the wealth on the seas will be brought to you,
to you the riches of the nations will come.
Foreigners will rebuild your walls,
and their kings will serve you.
Though in anger I struck you,
in favor I will show you compassion.
Your gates will always stand open,
they will never be shut, day or night,
so that people may bring you the wealth of the nations—
their kings led in triumphal procession.
For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish;
it will be utterly ruined.
“The glory of Lebanon will come to you,
the juniper, the fir and the cypress together,
to adorn my sanctuary;
and I will glorify the place for my feet.
The children of your oppressors will come bowing before you;
all who despise you will bow down at your feet
and will call you the City of the Lord,
Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
I will make you the everlasting pride
and the joy of all generations.
You will drink the milk of nations
and be nursed with royal treasures.
Then you will know that I, the Lord, am your Savior. (Isaiah 60)
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You don't need to hear the word. Hear what their God and prophets describe about our future:
'' Therefore wait for me, says the LORD,
for the day when I arise as a witness.
For my decision is to gather nations,
to assemble kingdoms,
to pour out upon them my indignation,
all the heat of my anger;
for in the fire of my passion
all the earth shall be consumed.
without people, without inhabitants.'
At that time I will change the speech of the peoples
to a pure speech,
that all of them may call on the name of the LORD
and serve him with one accord.
From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia
my suppliants, my scattered ones,
shall bring my offering. (Zephania 3.6-3.9)
This is what the Sovereign Lord says:
“See, I will beckon to the nations,
I will lift up my banner to the peoples;
they will bring your sons in their arms
and carry your daughters on their hips.
Kings will be your foster fathers,
and their queens your nursing mothers.
They will bow down before you Israel with their faces to the ground;
they will lick the dust at your feet. (Isaiah 49, 22-23)
''Arise, shine, for your light has come,
and the glory of the Lord rises upon you.
but now darkness covers the earth
and thick darkness is over the nations,
but the Lord rises upon you
and his glory appears over you.
Nations will come to your light,
and kings to the brightness of your dawn.
Lift up your eyes and look about you:
All assemble and come to you;
your sons come from afar,
and your daughters are carried on the hip.
Then you will look and be radiant,
your heart will throb and swell with joy;
the wealth on the seas will be brought to you,
to you the riches of the nations will come.
Foreigners will rebuild your walls,
and their kings will serve you.
Though in anger I struck you,
in favor I will show you compassion.
Your gates will always stand open,
they will never be shut, day or night,
so that people may bring you the wealth of the nations—
their kings led in triumphal procession.
For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish;
it will be utterly ruined.
“The glory of Lebanon will come to you,
the juniper, the fir and the cypress together,
to adorn my sanctuary;
and I will glorify the place for my feet.
The children of your oppressors will come bowing before you;
all who despise you will bow down at your feet
and will call you the City of the Lord,
Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
I will make you the everlasting pride
and the joy of all generations.
You will drink the milk of nations
and be nursed with royal treasures.
Then you will know that I, the Lord, am your Savior. (Isaiah 60)
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