Comments by "LancesArmorStriking" (@LancesArmorStriking) on "The Atlantic"
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@50centpb7
Did you not watch the video? The "family" as you're describing it is an entirely postwar phenomenon.
Tribes didn't send their most able-bodied members off to be on their own.
If the family "died," I say good riddance. Restrictive family values are reminiscent of the stone age— or rather, of the 1950's and nothing more. It wasn't sustainable.
The surplus of labor you're describing didn't come from women— it came from foreign countries. America was never going to stay the only manufacturing juggernaut, so when cheaper labor arose, the first American jobs to go were manufacturing and low-skilled service. The amount of goods and services devoted to each single "family" could not last.
Also, if you think that the '50s were great ("traditional" values, freedom, suits) the '60s were bad (feminism, free love, "chaos"), then I get a strong impression you weren't actually around for those decades. Too simplistic of a view.
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Maniesh Ramanayake
Don't be so zealous, you're exactly what scientists try to avoid.
Just because something isn't reviewed yet doesn't mean it's false. Much like proponents of the 'free-market,' scientific research doesn't exist in a vacuum. In the real world, everyone needs money, and repetition studies are the least likely among scientists to be conducted, because it doesn't make headlines. For example, for 40 years, Americans were fooled into believing that sugar was healthy and fat was unhealthy. This research was supported by peer-reviewed, double-blind studies from Harvard. It was later discovered that these studies had been funded by the Sugar Association, and the data was tampered with. It was completely indistinguishable from quality research.
And in any case, logically speaking, as with most modern amenities (like "arch support" for your shoes), they aren't needed. How did people live before baths? Wouldn't the smell have been too horrible for people to stand, as is suggested by history? Something must have neutralized it.
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@flame-sky7148
For someone who (I'm assuming) is American, you seem so fond of restricting personal freedom.
Marriages aren't worth keeping if they don't work. A loveless marriage is psychologically worse for the child(ren) than having a single parent. I'd rather be poor than have a damaged view of relationships for the next few decades.
Even if that weren't the case, it doesn't matter- the argument is that the idea of a nuclear family isn't natural.
Extended families- tribes- are what humans evolved to be in. And sex was done by the tribe- all the men had sex with every woman when her time came.
Why did it matter who the biological father was? The son would be raised by all the men, so he is the son of the tribe.
The idea that one person belongs to another is a new idea, rooted in greed and ownership of property.
Among the lower class, marriages were arranged for the betterment of the two families. Men could divorce women, but not the other way around. Women were considered property and men could do as they pleased with them.
Among the upper class, marriage was political. Both families pawned off their kin for greater influence. Men who could afford it had mistresses (glorified escorts) which was accepted at the time. It is no longer.
Nothing about marriage from the 1950's is normal or historical.
Two people fallen in love, a single breadwinner, only 3-4 family members, etc. It's all manufactured by the U.S..
The only similarity I could find was that your ideas about divorce are quite literally medieval.
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