Comments by "LancesArmorStriking" (@LancesArmorStriking) on "PolyMatter"
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According to senior aides, 2011 (Libya) was what changed him so fundamentally.
At the start of his career (think 2001 speeach at the Bundestag) he genuinely wanted Russia to be folded into the Western system, as a key partner.
What he got instead was a continuation of pushing for neoliberal policies by the West (which destroyed Russian society in the 1990s under Yeltsin), and rank hypocrisy in foreign policy.
Other countries can't do anything without our okay, but Iraq needs to be invaded!
That sort of thing.
Libya was especially horrifying for him. It was in the process of developing nuclear arms, and the US didn't want that. They made an informal deal with Gaddafi that, if he suspended the program, the US would look the other way regarding his 'lack of ddmocracy', and ostensibly allow the country to continue under him. He disarmed in 2003.
8 years later, they funded rebel groups and had him killed in the streets.
Putin reportedly watched that video on repeat over and over, obsessively. He saw himself in that video. A nuclear armed state being given non-binding agreements by the US, only to be backstabbed and exploited later. Case in point, look at Libya now.
He definitely also saw it happen surrounding NATO expansion in the 1990s.
So from that point on, his perceived role as leader of Russia was to chiefly to develop Russia, but to act as a counter to the West.
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@tsytryna4014
Yes, you're right. In the Hypathian Codex, "ѡ нем же оукраина много постона".
The document is referring to Pereyaslav Principality, which was a border with the Golden Horde. This term оукраина did not refer to a single, specific place, as it was also used to describe Kyiv's borderlands of Pskov and Ryazan.
Not to mention, even though modern Ukrainian makes a separation between "окраина" and "украина", Proto-Slavic does not. *krajь only meant "edge" or "border", nothing else.
You are free to research the etymology yourself; the definition of "edge" came first. Ukrainians re-interpreted it later, after their national identity formed.
There is nothing wrong with this— Denmark also means borderland. Ethiopia means "burnt face", but do they complain about that?
Rusyns and Ruthenians are interchangeable, but neither of those are Ukrainians.
They took their name from Rus', but that name only applied to people living in the Carpathian Mountains. Their regional designation is Carpatho-Rusyns, after all. They are nowhere near Kyiv! I should know— I'm a Hutsul by blood.
Yes, the Ukrainian language has been more conservative— what is your point?
American English is closer to Old English than modern British English. Does that make the U.S. closer to English culture than... England?
Russian went through 2 reforms, if you look at old texts it is identical to Ukrainian. There was no difference, only one piece of the Tsardom changed and broke away.
I assume in the last part you're talking about the Grand Duchy of Moscow.
It was called Russia starting with Ivan Grozny, not Peter I. You must be confusing the Tsardom of Russia with with Russian Empire.
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@Homer-OJ-Simpson
"Russia didn't stop it and they could have. So how could this be a turning point for Put1n?"
It was a turning point because of the outcome. And the steps that the US took to get to that outcome.
Libya could have ended in a negotiated settlement, while keeping some semblance of a functioning government intact.
Instead the US chose to plunge the country into chaos. It was such a colossal failure that even Obama couldn't hand-wave it away.
"My worst mistake was probably failing to plan for the day after what I think was the right thing to do in intervening in Libya”.
Putin, at that point, the aide said, was then convinced that the US didn't just do it once-off in Iraq.
In a post-Soviet world, the US felt completely comfortable ruining entire nations just because it could.
And it was clear that Russia (given its treatment in the 1990s) was not on the list of countries exempt from the US nation-destroying tactics.
"So how is this a western thing if the Arab League also supprorted it? Bet RT news doesn't discuss that."
Except they DID discuss that, and you were too lazy to even check. There were articles written WHILE IT WAS HAPPENING:
Lavrov pointed out that the UN resolutions on Libya called for measures that would protect civilians in the conflict-torn North African state, “but the result was slightly different, to say the least,”
The Arab League wasn't supporting the no-fly zone because they wanted the West to enforce it, in fact quite the opposite. From Al Jazeera in 2011:
"The bloc also stressed that it had rejected any “foreign military” intervention in Libya, and Moussa said the no-fly zone must be lifted once the crisis has ended."
"Like Russia after ditching communism?"
Have you ever wondered why it turned out like that?
I mentioned the 1990s already, care to take a guess at which country directed Russia's economic transition to capitalism?
Or who helped rig its 1996 elections? Or who helped create the same oligarchs that it loves to criticize now??
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