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Comments by "George Carty" (@GCarty80) on "Why is Central and Eastern Europe not woke?" video.
Isn't the origins of this split in Europe mainly down to the fact that western European nations used their positions on the Atlantic seaboard to build overseas colonial empires, while central and eastern European nations were more likely to be victims of German and/or Muscovite colonialism? Woke western Europeans see opposition to Global South immigration as evil, because they see such mass immigration in part as a form of reparations for colonialism (and perhaps increasingly, as reparations for climate change caused by Western European industrial prosperity). This may also be why they support tendencies (such as the transactivism that gave rise to concerns over pronouns) that reduce native birth rates, because they feel it will make it easier to absorb these immigrants that they feel morally obligated to accept. Central and Eastern Europeans don't have this tendency because they are poorer and never had colonies in the global South. And what is more, the ethnic cleansings of World War II and its aftermath left most central and Eastern European states very ethnically homogenous, and their peoples now want to keep it that way.
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@Bianca268 As a Brit I believe bigotry against eastern Europeans was always a minority thing. Brexit was perhaps more about fear that Germany (which many Brits rightly or wrongly see as dominating the EU) would force Britain to accept vast numbers of Syrian refugees. This was a far more emotive and hostility-generating form of immigration, given that many Brits were already predisposed to stereotype Muslim males as sexual predators because of the "grooming gang" scandals in northern English towns (whose perpetrators were mostly of Pakistani origin). I often think our EU membership was really lost on New Years Eve 2015, in Cologne.
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@neboyshanicolich761 Although Queen Victoria did get crowned Empress of India, much like Friedrich III was crowned King in Prussia to get around the similar prohibition of rulers within the Holy Roman Empire referring to themselves as "King" rather than "Elector".
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@Noelciaaa Polish-Ukrainian solidarity is particularly striking because the historical bad relations between those peoples, but I suspect a lot of Poles think "we're next if Ukraine falls".
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@Noelciaaa Reminds me of the 1946 attack on Hrubieszów in eastern Poland, when former Polish Home Army men teamed up with the Ukrainian Insurgent Army to attack the Bolsheviks.
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@user-gy5er6wh2j Wasn't Ottoman Hungary little more than a slave raiding zone, because (like central Russia for the Mongols/Tatars) it was too remote from the conquerors' heartland to be properly integrated into the empire?
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Anyone think that Russia's "anti-woke" propaganda (which flat-out denies how morally degenerate the real Russia is) is actually a clever piece of reverse psychology?
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@TheArctofireHD I regard Germany's nuclear phaseout as treasonous, given that it was originally masterminded by Gerhard Schröder who was rewarded with a plum position at Nordstream AG, and is now a Putin lackey. Merkel tried to reverse the nuclear phaseout, but the German public's hysterical response to Fukushima forced her hand. I sometimes liken the destruction by tsunami of Fukushima I (which helped get Germany addicted to Russian gas), as being analogous to the destruction by earthquake of the Byzantine fortress at Gallipoli, which cleared the way for the Ottomans to invade Europe.
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@voloshingalina3248 Those along with the communist puppet regimes of the Warsaw Pact.
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@HigherMorality I wasn't implying that central Russia was a slave raiding zone, merely that it was too far from the Mongol/Tatar homeland to be integrated into their empire: instead it was basically subjected to a massive protection racket.
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Woke support for mass immigration in Western Europe amounts to "we owe these people, because our ancestors plundered and exploited them as colonialists". Eastern Europeans were more likely to be victims of colonialism (at the hands of Germans and/or Muscovites) than perpetrators.
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The pronouns thing is more about transactivism than about "woke" more generally: I suspect woke Western Europeans may support transactivism in the name of lowering the birth rate (and thus making more room for immigrants).
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