Comments by "Seven Proxies" (@sevenproxies4255) on "Wisecrack" channel.

You don't know anything about starship troopers. Nor do you know anything about fascism. This video is just embarassing.
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@andarted Uh yes there is plenty of indication that the bugs were responsible for the meteorite. For starters: they've staged similar attacks in the past and even been observed doing it. Second, the Rodger Young even encountered the meteorite and only narrowly avoided it, which took out their comms so they couldn't send a warning back to earth about the inbound meteorite being sent from the system occupied by bugs. You're not looking at the actual film, you're looking at it through some liberal arts lens with wacky and fanciful interpretations of your own. And Trump is right: immigrants do reduce the living standards of the working class in any country. It's very simple to understand: the job market is just that: a market. Like all markets, supply and demand govern the prices. The amount of supply in labour govern the level of the salaries. The more labour there is, the more the price for labour drops (that is the wages). So if you've got a working class with low incomes already: flooding the country with immigrants desperate to do the same labour more cheaply, then the living standards for ALL (both the native working class, and the immigrants) is reduced. If your government is also stupid enough to give those immigrants the same access to welfare, then it means that more people will be forced to share the meager resources that the welfare has available. But being a typical leftwing idiot, I suppose you believe that employers should just pay higher salaries to everyone "out of the goodness of their hearts" or some shit. Too bad your ideology doesn't mesh well with how the real world works...
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@ИванСнежков-з9й If the bugs can use asteroids to travel... Why do you make the idiotic assumption that the bugs couldn't use the asteroids as weapons? Controlling the trajectory of asterois... Is a pretty fucking useful interstellar weapon. In case you didn't know.
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@andarted No it's not on the other side of the universe. It's in a different region of the same galaxy. But yeah, filmmakers are pretty stupid when it comes to cosmology and physics. Always have been, always will be. But you're reaching for straws if you assume that Paul Verhoevens ignorance of cosmology and physics somehow serves as some kind of "subtle plot point".
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@andarted It's not laws that decide the working principle of supply and demand. Supply and demand is a market constant that has been around since the dawn of mankinds civilization. The more common something is, the cheaper it is. The more rare something is, the more expensive it gets. No "law" has decided this. What do you propose? That all burger flippers in the world are to be paid equally as much as investment bankers and industry magnates? Good luck with that. You'll crash the economy in the blink of an eye, and the poor people will end up starving to death in the streets rather than simply being poor.
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Allan Tidgwell I don't recall Heinlein explaining the exact nature of the bugs technology (whether it was biological or engineered in nature). But I do remember that the bugs were depicted as having arms capable of manipulating their versions of firearms. And the novel also explains that they do build or create their own spaceships. So they're quite different from the Zerg/Tyranid/Xenomorph-like species depicted in the movie, physically speaking. Psychologically though they did match in the sense that bugs in the book didn't really care about how many of their own warriors or workers got killed, but simply acted the way the brain bugs telepathically instructed them to, with no fear or remorse. So in the book, the bug society is the really fascist society (all members of their society are dedicated fully to the cause of their own state with all other priorities being secondary). And ironically, the bugs in the movie are also about the only thing that's really fascist in the movie (even though Paul Verhoeven tried to make the Terran Federation seem like the fascists, but he failed in that regard, since his understanding of fascism is mostly superficial and based in visuals rather than academic)
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@ИванСнежков-з9й No, the monitor does not display a wormhole animation. The monitor displays a gravitational anomaly or the presence of a strong gravitational field in the near vicinity of the ship. All bodies with mass exert gravity. Including asteroids. And seeing as how the asteroid dwarfed the size of the ship, it's safe to say that the asteroid had a lot of mass, and thus a relatively strong gravitational field which the ship sensors picked up on.
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@cosmodeus1720 Exactly. The way the bugs responded is pretty much the same as if the U.S started launching nuclear weapons at Mexico because a few illegal immigrants from Mexico crossed the border.
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@andarted The only "change" that socialists and communists have ever created is making countries more impoverished and causing even more deaths than even Nazism did. In case you hadn't noticed: people are fleeing FROM socialist/communist states. They never flee TO these states. If you identify yourself as a socialist or a communist, then kindly go fuck yourself.
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@andarted And what's wrong with that? Just because someone else has more money than you, it doesn't prevent you from earning money yourself. People will always be unequal. Someone will always have more money, more intelligence, better looks, more athletic genes etc. than you do. And these perks will influence how difficult or easy you will have with doing or achieving certain things. That's not a "problem", nor is it exclusive to the "american economic system". It's a constant in all of life. Life is a game of poker. And you're dealt the hand you play with the day you're born. Some people will be gifted with winning hands. But it doesn't guarantee that they win the game (if you fail at bluffing with your winning hand, or you're too scared to call someone elses bluff, you walk away with nothing or very meagre winnings). Nor does a losing hand guarantee that you'll lose the game, because you might still be able to bluff your way to the pot. Stop being butthurt about the guy next to you drawing a strong set of cards, and play the ones you're dealt the best you can. It's nothing "unfair" about it.
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@andarted Every player starts with the same amount of chips in competitions. Not in informal games. Because even if the amount of chips are equal. The personal wealth of the players is not. A top player can afford to lose a million dollar game without breaking a sweat. A player who just barely scraped by to pay the entrance fee might not. Yet the rules of the game does not favor the one or the other. Also what you call "fair" is completely arbitrary. There is no physical constant in the universe called "fairness". It's an invented concept by humans, and it's definition is about as varied as there are human individuals. Everybody's got their own idea of what "fair" means. There is no consensus, and thus the concept is meaningless in an intellectual debate.
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@Kuti210 Yes it makes you a non-citizen, and it means you can't vote. Where's the problem? Have you taken a look at the "free for all" democracies lately? Voters in general are pretty fucking stupid and uninformed. It's hardly unreasonable for a state to start implementing some requirements before people are allowed to vote. Also, having requirements for voting is not fascism. In fact, fascism scorns voting in general. What you also forget is that "civic duty" in the Terran Federation doesn't necessarily entail military service. It can be any number of tasks that nobody really wants to do as a dayjob. The goal is to get people to make a personal sacrifice for their society, and in return they are allowed to vote. Which isn't fascist nor even unreasonable. What's unreasonable is letting any idiot with an IQ below 65 to wield the political power of voting, and letting them think yhat whatever they vote for, they will get for free.
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@ИванСнежков-з9й Cite the scene that says that ships were "ordered to leave" when the asteroids were sent by the arachnids. Cite the specific scene that claims the asteroid came from a wormhole.
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Allan Tidgwell In the book, the bugs were an industrial species that built their own starships, laser weapons etc. They didn't destroy Buenos Aires with a meteorite in the book. As far as I remember, the book only mentions that they attacked earth and destroyed the city. How they did it wasn't mentioned.
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@Millionsofpeas : It helps reading the source material of Heinlein as well as Moussolini. Unlike the ignorant fool who made the video who basically used the method of: "Durr hurr, they wearing uniforms that looks like nazi uniforms. Therefore the MUST BE FASCIST!"
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@superfly2535 : Because Paul Verhoeven also has an extremely loose grasp of what fascism is. Even if he set out to satirize fascism, he failed quite spectacularly with the film. In fact, the only fascist element in the entire film would be the Arachnids (completely dominated by singular rulers, where every individual is singlemindedly focused towards the goals of the state). Whereas the Federation have things like elected leaders, voluntary military service (they don't even practice forced conscription during times of war), even non-citizens are offered nearly complete freedom to pursue their own financial goals and private businesses, have freedom of speech etc. There's absolutely zero aspects of the movie version of the Terran federation that are even remotely fascist.
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@Millionsofpeas : And like I said: I don't care what Paul Verhoeven says, because if his goal was to lampoon fascism, then he failed pretty spectacularly. And I'd attribute his failure to ignorance of what fascism means. What he's done is essentially like making a film supposedly "lampooning elephants" yet the film only feature horses, and elephants are never even mentioned or hinted at.
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@Kuti210 : Tell me, what do you think fascism means? What are some of the core tenets of fascism? Can you mention any at all?
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@sgcv : But everyone isn't equal. The brainbugs are clearly dominating the hierarchy. The workers and warriors are all telepathically enslaved to the brain bugs, and the brainbugs themselves represent the rulers of the state. That said, most communist states are also fascist states in practice.
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@sgcv : Yes, communism is impossible, because the concept of "equality" is arbitrary to begin with. A classical liberalist will argue that as long as you have equal freedoms as everyone else in the law, then you are "equal". But the communist will claim that as long as some people own more stuff than other people (regardless of how they got that stuff, even if the acquisition was completely legitimate) then they are not equal, even if the people who own more have identical legal rights as the people who own less. And that's only one reason among many why communism is impossible. Unless you use the Borg collective as an example, where each and every drone is mindwiped to become completely identical in thought and values as every other drone with perfect conformity and consensus regarding the way to proceed forwars as a society. Another reason is the fact that communists generally do not understand economics. Their whole ideology is based around ignorance of how market forces, wealth and economy works. So every attempt at a communist society is doomed to economic failure.
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@sgcv : There is clearly a hierarchy among the bugs, since some of the bugs are deemed and behave as if they were completely expendable, while others are closely guarded and protected from being captured or killed. This is an objective indicator of hierarchy, where certain organisms are subordinate to others.
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@superfly2535 : Yes I can deny just that, because war propaganda is not exclusive to fascism. Or are you gonna argue that the Allies were fascist during WWII for using war propaganda in movie theatres as well? And as I've said, it's not just the case that Starship Troopers is "low" on fascist tropes, because it doesn't contain any fascism AT ALL in it's depiction of the terran federation. I don't much care what Gizmodo has to say about it, because i'm pretty sure I've studied both fascism and the works of Heinlein a bit more in depth than their journos have.
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@ИванСнежков-з9й : Like we've said repeatedly: you can't apply real world space physics to a film made by people who have absolutely no clue of how space physics work. Stop trying to invent meaning to a complete blunder of the director and script writets.
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@andarted : It's still completely arbitrary. I might've been born with superior genes to yours, making it entirely possible to win in your race, even if you have a 9 miles headstart. What are you going to do then? Complain about the "unfairness" of my superior genes and athleticism?
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@sgcv : How do you know dogs, cats and horses are "equal"? Equal in relation to what or whom? Do they have equal rights? Nope. Do the have equal abilities and opportunities? Nope. You can't on the one hand claim that the bug society is one where "everyone is equal" and at the same time acknowledge that there is a hierarchy within the same society where certain castes opportunities, abilities and rights are less than others. A truly "equal" society is one completely devoid of any and all hierachies. If you want an example of that, then look at the Borg from Star Trek (before the writers introduced the concept of a "Borg Queen"). The Borg is a completely equal society if they don't have a queen. Every member is drone, no better than any other and they all work towards pursuing the goals of the entire collective.
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Allan Tidgwell : Non citizens in ST did have rights. The only rights they didn't have was the vote and being eligible to run for political office.
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@loweman25 So what you're saying is that the societies of the allies could never exist together with dissenters thanks to their passionate hatred of the nazis?
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