Comments by "Seven Proxies" (@sevenproxies4255) on "Count Dankula"
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Seems the homeless back then was very different from today.
Did you know that hobos in the late 1800's even had their own national convention and a list of ethics to follow?
They did illegally travel by train hopping, but at the same time their list of ethics do seem rather decent to me.
The list is as follows:
Decide your own life; don't let another person run or rule you.
When in town, always respect the local law and officials, and try to be a gentleman at all times.
Don't take advantage of someone who is in a vulnerable situation, locals or other hoboes.
Always try to find work, even if temporary, and always seek out jobs nobody wants. By doing so you not only help a business along, but ensure employment should you return to that town again.
When no employment is available, make your own work by using your added talents at crafts.
Do not allow yourself to become a stupid drunk and set a bad example for locals' treatment of other hoboes.
When jungling in town, respect handouts and do not wear them out; another hobo will be coming along who will need them as badly, if not worse than you.
Always respect nature; do not leave garbage where you are jungling.
If in a community jungle, always pitch in and help.
Try to stay clean, and boil up wherever possible.
When traveling, ride your train respectfully. Take no personal chances. Cause no problems with operating crew or host railroad. Act like an extra crew member.
Do not cause problems in a train yard; another hobo will be coming along who will need passage through that yard.
Do not allow other hoboes to molest children; expose all molesters to authorities – they are the worst garbage to infest any society.
Help all runaway children, and try to induce them to return home.
Help your fellow hoboes whenever and wherever needed; you may need their help someday.
If present at a hobo court and you have testimony, give it. Whether for or against the accused, your voice counts!
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@masterchef1174 "one question"? You completely disregarded THE MAIN QUESTION that was my entire point you imbecille!
If Japan doesn't have any more problems with pedophilia than any other western country, then clearly, legislation against lolicon does NOTHING to prevent pedophilia or child molestation, since Japan has no such legislation to begin with and is also the main producer of lolicon art and has a more saturated domestic market of it than any other country in the world.
If society says (through law) that child molestation is completely ok, then of course they will molest children. The thing is, refraining from passing legislation that makes lolicon illegal is not the same as saying "it is now ok to molest children".
Here's the thing with pedophiles: they all agree that children are perfectly valid to have sex with. They don't see the problem with considering a child sexually desirable, nor do they see why a child can't consent to sex morally or legally.
They have a warped view of children in the sense that they apply a sexuality to children, which the children do not have, as well as applying mental faculties to children which the children do not have (like the capacity to give informed consent to sexual relations).
And since pedophilia is pathological, you can't get a pedo to understand why these ideas are completely wrong and unrealistic, because the ideas themselves are interconnected with the way their minds work. If you were to try and remove these ideas from a pedophiles mind, then their perception of reality would be turned upside down and they wouldn't be able to make sense of anything.
So, practically speaking, it doesn't matter how much you try to "teach" pedophiles that being sexually aroused by children is wrong, or dysfunctional. You can't "deprogram" them from pedophilia. Not through education, not through punishment and not through legislation.
You treat pedophiles as if they are rational people in the sense that you think you can "teach" them that pedophilia is wrong by inventing legislation against lolicon (because you personally believe that lolicon is somehow similar to actual child molestation). You think pedophiles will be able to make some sort of "connection" between your harsh views and legislation against lolicon, and the fact that it is dysfunctional and sick to pursue sexual relations with children.
This shows that you are ignorant of the pathological nature in pedophilia. Your way of reasoning is kind of like the same as saying that you can "teach" people afflicted with anorexia not to starve themselves by having "society" tell them that "food is good for you" and "unless you eat, you will die", or even "you are not fat, stop starving yourself."
The pathological nature of anorexia as a mental condiction and eating disorder completely prevents the ones afflicted by it to see reason. When they look in a mirror, they don't see a skeletally thin person. They see a fat, obese person.
What you need to get through your skull is that pedophiles don't desire children because they're "evil" or that they desire to cause other people harm and pain. They're not the way they are to be "edgy" or to "rebel against society" or "cultural norms" or any crap like that. They are not misbehaving teenagers. They are adult people, who experience a genuine attraction towards children, and they GENUINELY can't understand why that is bad or wrong.
They don't see their affection as "evil" or intended to cause children harm or pain. In their minds, they're just expressing "love" towards the children. That's how far away from reality their minds are.
And no amount of legislation, harsh punishment or violence will bring their minds back to a normal perception of reality.
So when dealing with actual pedophiles, no amount of opposition or legislation against lolicon will ever change or affect the severity or frequency of child molestation in any society whatsoever. Pathologies do simply not work that way.
Regarding your analogy to "rape porn". Some of the societies were problems with rape is the most severe (like certain african countries and the middle east), there is hardly any porn industry to speak of (if at all, since many muslim countries have an outright legal ban on pornography). Much less a "rape porn" industry.
Yet their rape stats are significantly higher than any rape stats you'll find in western, industralized nations.
Porn does not create rapists, anymore than violent videogames create school shootings.
These have all been scientifically proven as myths based on ignorance, and you're doing society and the victims of such crimes a disservice for propagating them.
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@masterchef1174 Thank you for the noble concession. That's very big of you.
I apologize for my earlier insults and withdraw them. I'll let them stand in my earlier posts rather than deleting them so it doesn't seem like I try to cover up any bad behaviour on my part, so everyone can see that my apology is sincere.
Also, just to clarify: I don't "feel sorry" for pedophiles in general by comparing their condition to anorexia. And I wouldn't excuse a child molester on the basis that he is sick (I don't care if you are a sick person, you are still responsible for your behaviour and actions).
That said, there are different kinds of pedophiles in the world. Remember that a pedophile is a person who is attracted to children. Not all pedophiles take the step of actually molesting a child, but rather battle with their feelings brought on by their mental illness and try to suppress them and control them.
Because "intellectually" they realize that a child is not a proper target of sexual affection. But their FEELINGS say otherwise.
As much as I might think that such feelings are revolting, I do think that these pedophiles need and deserve help from society to combat these feelings and to avoid harming children.
After all, what incentive do these people have to try and fight their feelings if society just shun them and treat them with scorn?
Shunned and scorned people in general tend to develop very anti-social personalities and eventually end up in a state of mind where they stop caring about norms, morals and even the law, and instead become predatory and dangerous.
I don't think the threat of incarceration is enough to motivate a person to obey the law. An individual needs something more than that. Like a social life and an implicit promise that they will have a decent, good life if they work hard, obey the law and engage in a pro-social behaviour in general (being helpful and considerate to others, abiding by norms and standards etc.)
Granted, society can't reward a "virtous" pedophile with the kind of intimate relationship they desire. But at the very least, they should have the opportunity to be treated with common decency and respect, rather than hate and harassment.
And it's not for "their" sake, but for the sake of the children that they might end up targeting if they are treated constantly as social pariahs.
But then, there are pedophiles that have basically succumbed to their twisted feelings. Pedophiles actually arguing in defense of their feelings and that the law should permit them to molest children.
Such individuals should be treated with suspicion (if they haven't broken any laws yet) or be completely sequestered from society (if they do break the law and molest children)
But regardless of which kind of pedo we're talking about: none of them actively chose to be pedophiles. It would make no sense choosing it if it was a matter of choice considering how difficult it is to be a pedophile as opposed to be a normal, heterosexual person.
And as I've argued already: the occurence of lolicon in society won't have any impact on the pathological nature of pedophilia. It's not going to "trigger" anyone to molest children, nor is it going to "prevent" someone from molesting children (at least based on the current evidence, but the matter should probably be studied more deeply)
What causes child molestation is basically factors like opportunity, intellectual capacity to understand why sex with children is and should be illegal and strength of character.
Lolicon is inconsequential.
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Look at that fucker missing his front teeth. First of all, why is he clinging on to that pathetic, receding hair? And the glasses?
If he just shaved his fucking head, started using contacts, got a couple of sleeve tats and wore more denim or leather vests, he could probably pull off a moderately badass biker look.
If you've ever been to an outlaw biker club, then you'd see a lot of those guys. In their forties, with pot bellies (so they're not exactly in good shape), shaved heads, tatted arms etc. And they STILL have biker bitches hanging off their arms. And a lot of them are also missing teeth even (and people assume they got their teeth knocked out in fights, only enhancing the bad boy status of their whole image)
How hard can it be to do this very cursory research to understand how little you need to change your appearance to become more attractive to women?
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@SITS101 "As Dahmer entered first grade, Lionel's studies kept him away from home much of the time. When he was home, his wife—a hypochondriac who suffered from depression—demanded constant attention and spent an increasing amount of time in bed.[17] On one occasion, she attempted suicide using Equanil.[17] Consequently, neither parent devoted much time to their son, who later recollected that, from an early age, he felt "unsure of the solidity of the family",[18] recalling extreme tension and numerous arguments between his parents during his early years."
Like I said, Mommy issues.
In Dahmers case he grew up with a nutjob hypochondriac of a mom who demanded more attention than she gave little Jeffrey.
And in regards to Ted Bundy, he was raised by his maternal grandparents who lied to him, saying that his actual mother was his older sister, due to the social stigma of children born out of wedlock at the time. Also:
"In some interviews, Bundy spoke warmly of his grandparents[23] and told Rule that he "identified with," "respected," and "clung to" his grandfather.[24] In 1987, however, he and other family members told attorneys that Samuel was a tyrannical bully who beat his wife and dog, swung neighborhood cats by their tails, and expressed racist and xenophobic attitudes. In one instance, Samuel reportedly threw Julia down a flight of stairs for oversleeping.[25] He would sometimes speak aloud to unseen presences,[26] and at least once flew into a violent rage when the question of Bundy's paternity was raised."
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@legrand3774 : You don't have a soul, and your mind is not "special". That's just a Disney-fantasy delusion on your part. I don't have a soul either. Nobody does.
Your brain does not allow you to "percieve" anything. It is your sensory organs that allows perception. Eyes, ears, tastebuds, olfactory senses, nerve endings experiencing touch etc.
I don't care what drugs your own that happen to mess up the processing facility to your sensory organs, you can't "perceive" something that isn't there physically speaking.
The only perception you are capable of is the narrow band of the lightwave spectrum which your eyes permit you to see. The same goes for the soundwave spectrum. You are not a bat, nor are you an owl or a shark. And no amount of drugs will ever make you "sense" anything of what the ears of a bat, the eyes of an owl, or the electrical sensory apparatus that Sharks are evolved with.
I am not "arrogant" for stating this. I go with the hard, measurable science of physics and biology. If your drug induced hallucinations cannot be measured by more objective instruments, then whatever tou think you see isn't real. It's that simple.
And when your brain dies, whatever consciousness you have will invariably die with it, just as the light disappears when the matter based lightbulb breaks.
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