Comments by "Seven Proxies" (@sevenproxies4255) on "L E W D" video.
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@masterchef1174 "one question"? You completely disregarded THE MAIN QUESTION that was my entire point you imbecille!
If Japan doesn't have any more problems with pedophilia than any other western country, then clearly, legislation against lolicon does NOTHING to prevent pedophilia or child molestation, since Japan has no such legislation to begin with and is also the main producer of lolicon art and has a more saturated domestic market of it than any other country in the world.
If society says (through law) that child molestation is completely ok, then of course they will molest children. The thing is, refraining from passing legislation that makes lolicon illegal is not the same as saying "it is now ok to molest children".
Here's the thing with pedophiles: they all agree that children are perfectly valid to have sex with. They don't see the problem with considering a child sexually desirable, nor do they see why a child can't consent to sex morally or legally.
They have a warped view of children in the sense that they apply a sexuality to children, which the children do not have, as well as applying mental faculties to children which the children do not have (like the capacity to give informed consent to sexual relations).
And since pedophilia is pathological, you can't get a pedo to understand why these ideas are completely wrong and unrealistic, because the ideas themselves are interconnected with the way their minds work. If you were to try and remove these ideas from a pedophiles mind, then their perception of reality would be turned upside down and they wouldn't be able to make sense of anything.
So, practically speaking, it doesn't matter how much you try to "teach" pedophiles that being sexually aroused by children is wrong, or dysfunctional. You can't "deprogram" them from pedophilia. Not through education, not through punishment and not through legislation.
You treat pedophiles as if they are rational people in the sense that you think you can "teach" them that pedophilia is wrong by inventing legislation against lolicon (because you personally believe that lolicon is somehow similar to actual child molestation). You think pedophiles will be able to make some sort of "connection" between your harsh views and legislation against lolicon, and the fact that it is dysfunctional and sick to pursue sexual relations with children.
This shows that you are ignorant of the pathological nature in pedophilia. Your way of reasoning is kind of like the same as saying that you can "teach" people afflicted with anorexia not to starve themselves by having "society" tell them that "food is good for you" and "unless you eat, you will die", or even "you are not fat, stop starving yourself."
The pathological nature of anorexia as a mental condiction and eating disorder completely prevents the ones afflicted by it to see reason. When they look in a mirror, they don't see a skeletally thin person. They see a fat, obese person.
What you need to get through your skull is that pedophiles don't desire children because they're "evil" or that they desire to cause other people harm and pain. They're not the way they are to be "edgy" or to "rebel against society" or "cultural norms" or any crap like that. They are not misbehaving teenagers. They are adult people, who experience a genuine attraction towards children, and they GENUINELY can't understand why that is bad or wrong.
They don't see their affection as "evil" or intended to cause children harm or pain. In their minds, they're just expressing "love" towards the children. That's how far away from reality their minds are.
And no amount of legislation, harsh punishment or violence will bring their minds back to a normal perception of reality.
So when dealing with actual pedophiles, no amount of opposition or legislation against lolicon will ever change or affect the severity or frequency of child molestation in any society whatsoever. Pathologies do simply not work that way.
Regarding your analogy to "rape porn". Some of the societies were problems with rape is the most severe (like certain african countries and the middle east), there is hardly any porn industry to speak of (if at all, since many muslim countries have an outright legal ban on pornography). Much less a "rape porn" industry.
Yet their rape stats are significantly higher than any rape stats you'll find in western, industralized nations.
Porn does not create rapists, anymore than violent videogames create school shootings.
These have all been scientifically proven as myths based on ignorance, and you're doing society and the victims of such crimes a disservice for propagating them.
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@masterchef1174 Thank you for the noble concession. That's very big of you.
I apologize for my earlier insults and withdraw them. I'll let them stand in my earlier posts rather than deleting them so it doesn't seem like I try to cover up any bad behaviour on my part, so everyone can see that my apology is sincere.
Also, just to clarify: I don't "feel sorry" for pedophiles in general by comparing their condition to anorexia. And I wouldn't excuse a child molester on the basis that he is sick (I don't care if you are a sick person, you are still responsible for your behaviour and actions).
That said, there are different kinds of pedophiles in the world. Remember that a pedophile is a person who is attracted to children. Not all pedophiles take the step of actually molesting a child, but rather battle with their feelings brought on by their mental illness and try to suppress them and control them.
Because "intellectually" they realize that a child is not a proper target of sexual affection. But their FEELINGS say otherwise.
As much as I might think that such feelings are revolting, I do think that these pedophiles need and deserve help from society to combat these feelings and to avoid harming children.
After all, what incentive do these people have to try and fight their feelings if society just shun them and treat them with scorn?
Shunned and scorned people in general tend to develop very anti-social personalities and eventually end up in a state of mind where they stop caring about norms, morals and even the law, and instead become predatory and dangerous.
I don't think the threat of incarceration is enough to motivate a person to obey the law. An individual needs something more than that. Like a social life and an implicit promise that they will have a decent, good life if they work hard, obey the law and engage in a pro-social behaviour in general (being helpful and considerate to others, abiding by norms and standards etc.)
Granted, society can't reward a "virtous" pedophile with the kind of intimate relationship they desire. But at the very least, they should have the opportunity to be treated with common decency and respect, rather than hate and harassment.
And it's not for "their" sake, but for the sake of the children that they might end up targeting if they are treated constantly as social pariahs.
But then, there are pedophiles that have basically succumbed to their twisted feelings. Pedophiles actually arguing in defense of their feelings and that the law should permit them to molest children.
Such individuals should be treated with suspicion (if they haven't broken any laws yet) or be completely sequestered from society (if they do break the law and molest children)
But regardless of which kind of pedo we're talking about: none of them actively chose to be pedophiles. It would make no sense choosing it if it was a matter of choice considering how difficult it is to be a pedophile as opposed to be a normal, heterosexual person.
And as I've argued already: the occurence of lolicon in society won't have any impact on the pathological nature of pedophilia. It's not going to "trigger" anyone to molest children, nor is it going to "prevent" someone from molesting children (at least based on the current evidence, but the matter should probably be studied more deeply)
What causes child molestation is basically factors like opportunity, intellectual capacity to understand why sex with children is and should be illegal and strength of character.
Lolicon is inconsequential.
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