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Comments by "Seven Proxies" (@sevenproxies4255) on "They're Lying To You" video.
Funny you should mention that. One grievance that many Russians I've spoken to have is the fact that almost no western leaders, invited to Russia for Victory Day decided to show up and honour the Soviet troopers who fought and died while defending their homelands from the Nazis. Whatever petty disagreements the east and the west have over various issues, surely it couldn't have hurt to show up and celebrate the defeat of Hitler alongside the Russians? I mean, I think we can all agree that the Nazis posed a dire threat to both the east and the west?
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There's no reason for us to care about what Ukraine feels about Putin either.
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@inteallsviktigt What "promises" did we give Ukraine exactly? They're not a member of Nato. The U.S also gave Russia promises about not expanding Nato, yet we all know how that played out. These promises mean nothing.
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They can fight as much as they like. Doesn't mean they are entitled to my tax money to be able to afford to keep fighting.
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Except for the fact that they are surrounded by enemy military bases, controlled by the U.S, constantly plotting and scheming Russias downfall.
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"Murder" is s legal term, with specific legal prerequisites. War does not qualify under legal standards as murder. Sorry.
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@cynderfan2233 So? This "enslavement" was brought about as a result of allied nations trying to muscle in on the territory after the fall of Germany.
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I don't care what they want. If they can't muster their own defense, they have no sovreignty. Simple as.
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You do realize that Russia is a European country as well? Who said that Europe is a "contingent of freedom"? I damn sure didn't get the memo.
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@ismellfearonu I don't care who Harry Patch is or what he says. He's wrong. War is not murder. Period.
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@inteallsviktigt Nato is not a defensive alliance.
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@koalajones371 And that somehow takes away from their part in defeating Germany?
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@Maynarkh Yeah. Your point being? You military history revisionists always moan about the lend-lease as if Germany couldn't have been defeated without it, even when there's no credible evidence to suggest it whatsoever. Lend-lease expedited quicker a Soviet victory in the eastern front. But that victory would have come regardless of the Lend-Lease since Germany simply did not have realistic numbers to achieve their goals inside of Russia.
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@TransportandTrafficConsultancy Doesn't matter. The country itself is European, ruled by Europeans.
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@delfinenteddyson9865 Then you must not know much about Russian culture. They're much closer to traditional European culture than most western Europran cultures (which have mostly been americanized and globalized)
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@Matt-yg8ub At least someone here knows history, unlike the other idiots in the comment section
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@Tounushi Erm... Have you ever been to Moscow? Ever taken a look at the architecture? The arts? The litterature? The religion? Moscow is more proudly European than most European capitals that exist today.
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@Maynarkh I'm scandinavian, mo-ron
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@inteallsviktigt Remember a little thing called the Iraq war? The invasion of Afghanistan? So "defensive"... 🙄
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@inteallsviktigt How about america stay the fuck out of soviet territories instead so Russia have no reason to see them as a threat? It looks kinda suspicious when the U.S directly funds insurrections in countries on Russias border with the intent to replace country leaders with puppets loyal to the U.S.
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@inteallsviktigt Did it ever occur to you that this might be by design? Pretending to be a "defensive alliance" while actually acting like a group of mercenary nations in service to a western world order? Oh and btw, all Nato actions are "voluntary" on paper. Doesn't mean that they DON'T pursue a particular global agenda with the goal of sabotaging countries outside of Nato.
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@inteallsviktigt Who are you even arguing against? You keep presenting obvious claims that I haven't even said anything about and then act as if you made a point. Where did I ever say that you can't fight back? The fucking Taliban sent the Amerixan armed forces into retreat. Only goes to show that invasions are and have always been extremely hard throughout history since defenders have all the advantages. This will be my last reply. Getting bored with discussing a topic with some simpleton with a cringe EU pfp who doesn't know anything about the topics he debates. In summary: I don't give two shits about Ukraine. I don't want to pay for their defense. Ukraine can become "New Russia" for all I care. Not my fight, not my problem.
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Putin did invade Ukraine. He also did it for nefarious reasons. But let's be real here. Does anyone seriously believe that the U.S hasn't been plotting to make Russias downfall a reality by using proxies in countries on Russias border? Geopolitics is a really dirty business, but it is a sad fact of life that country leaders can't ignore. So while I might abhor military invasions like this, I can still understand the Russian perspective on the matter. They didn't just invent this casus belli out of thin air. The real tragedy here is why the U.S just absolutely refuse to solve problems diplomatically and that they always plot and scheme against countries who they can't exert control over.
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Agreed. Lead by example, not by force.
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@gary637 Soviet Union =/= Russian Federation The invites to Victory Day celebrations took place after the Soviet Union had ended. But instead of accepting the invites, the collective west busied itself with dabbing on the former USSR and proclaiming the capitalist victory over communism. And then everybody is surprised why the Russian Federation treats western countries as enemies now 🙄
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@uptoolate2793 Ok Nazi
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@inteallsviktigt So? Nato still invaded Iraq and Afghanistan according to the U.S wishes. Doesn't matter if SOME member states opted out. This alliance is clearly hostile to anyone who does not wish to accept their naive ideals about "western democracy". The U.S and Nato are blatantly intolerant of other countries governing themselves while not being under the direct control of the U.S.
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@inteallsviktigt It does when the U.S gets several of it's Nato allies to join in, which it did in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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@inteallsviktigt No, Finland did not "cripple Russia". Finland was about two weeks away from total defeat when the Soviets called a ceasefire actually. While Finland did give the Soviets a real fight, they were going to lose eventually had the Soviets not called for that ceasefire, and in the end Finland did actually lose territory PERMANENTLY to Russia.
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@inteallsviktigt You said that Finland "crippled Russia". It clearly didn't since Russia was still capable of sending the German forces on the run and go on to capture half of Germany as well.
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@inteallsviktigt Listen to yourself for a moment. How can a single taskforce taking some losses "almost cripple" an entire country? 🙄 The USSR didn"t throw it's entire Red Army at Finland. They sent a limited task force to invade Finland, and the invasion was mostly a failure. You neither grasp military history nor strategic concepts in general.
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@PeIeus Can't say I see much of those freedoms with it's hatespeech laws and imprisonment of people who question mainstream narratives. The Europe I live in is a leftwing fascist state.
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