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The Mannerheim strategy is something that most Scandinavian countries seek to employ as well. In terms of population, we're rather small countries. We don't have an inexhaustible amount of troops to defend with. So the doctrines focus on making it too expensive for a larger aggressor to occupy the countries. We're too few to stop them from coming in. So it's all about making their stay as fucking miserable and expensive as humanly possible, in order to make any occupation worth attempting.
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One stark difference would be the forests though. Finland is mostly covered in forests. Ukraine is very wide and open. The Ukrainians don't have the same kind of cover out in the wilds, forcing them to set up defensive positions inside towns and cities. Which naturally leads to a lot of collateral damage, because the Russians don't take any chances. If they suspect any building is harbouring Ukrainian resistance, they bombard it. During the Winter War, the Finns could just melt away in the forests, leaving very few targets for Russian heavy weapons to fire at.
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The soviets send a vastly numerically superior force to Finland. Simo: "Perkele! The Soviets saw fit to grace us with a target rich enviroment!"
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@grzegorzbrzeczyszykiewic3338 No, because the conflicts in Afghanistan are more recent than the Scandinavian and Finnish doctrines. Also, Afghanistan employed it with irregular forces. The Scandinavian and Finnish idea is using guerilla tactics with real armies that have access to an airforce, artillery and tanks.
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@griimae8022 The "pin point strike capacity" has been grossly exaggerated by the Russians. To many cities are flattened for "pin point strikes" to have taken place.
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A solenoid isn't very advanced, nor is it easily "de-activated" remotely. In fact you could manufacture a gun with a solenoid based trigger group which is an entirely closed system that not even EMP from a nuclear detonation would be able to affect.
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I'm always armed with a gas launcher
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@georgekaradov1274 Yeah, since there are forests around Kiev, defending becomes so much easier, especially against tanks. Tanks really like an open field. Infantry does not.
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@griimae8022 Mariupol?
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Doctrine differs from propaganda though. The doctrine was to try and assault the mg-42 during that 7 second window when they changed the barrel. When the gun was operational, there was pretty much only one thing to do: duck and cover. Germans however made it difficult to assault an mg-42 even during the barrel change. The allies had this wierd idea that "support weapons" meant that machine guns were supposed to be "supporting" the regular riflemen. The Germans did the exact opposite: the riflemen were trained to protect and support the machine gunner (by carrying extra ammo belts, as well as opening fire against enemies trying to assault the machine gunners during a barrel change) This also meant that the Germans thought of the machine gun as an integral part of their infantry squads, rather than an optional part like the allied forces did. Which meant they were issued with much more MG-34's and MG-42's than the allied troops were.
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When I read about the winter war, what I learned was that the Finns did indeed demolish the russians, based on casualty rates. The problem is that the Russians would always have more to send, despite their losses. And once the Russians finally retreated, the Finns were at their wits end basically, having sustained too many losses of their own. Had Russia continued it's efforts for another 6 months or so, the Finns would most likely have been forced to surrender. So the timing for the Russian retreat couldn't have been better.
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@thesickrobot6924 I'd say it's the opposite. The Soviet armed forces went through so many political purges of it's upper echelons, because paranoid soviet dictators always feared that one of their generals might attempt a coup. The military of the Russian federation is definitely more modernized in comparison. A big part of the reason why the soviets lost the winter war was because Stalin had conducted some massive purges of officers that were deemed to be a threat to his authority just prior to the start of the winter war. So the soviet troops entering Finland did so with sub par left overs and bootlickers in terms of officers.
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The VP-70M is a strange contraption... On the one hand machine pistols are a less than ideal invention on their own since recoil makes them so hard to control and remain accurate in fully automatic fire (or even a 3-round burst mode), but you can still sort of see the point of them. Basically you want a pistol that can also function as a semi-auto pistol but has the option of spitting out a lot of lead in a short amount of time, in a small, pistol sized package. Whereas a sub machine gun like the MP5, also use pistol caliber ammo, but is more custom made for full auto control and accuracy. In turn making the weapon bigger and more bulky. The VP-70M on the other hand doesn't do either... It needs the attachement to get the added functionality of 3-round burst, but also end up making the pistol more bulky, unlike something like a Glock 18c or Beretta M93r. So it kind of circumvents the point of using something pistol sized when you end up turning it into some kind of carbine anyway. Can't say I've felt the trigger pull, but let's just say that double action is not my cup of tea.
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@bosewicht2389 That's a likely assessment. Russia certainly do have guided munitions of their own making. And they do work. But the question is: in what numbers? The electronics will need semi-conductors. And since the entire world has seen a massive shortage of semi-conductors prior to the invasion into Ukraine, I doubt that the Russian ammo stores are that well stocked with guided munitions.
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The South African arms industry knows their stuff. Whether it's a gun or armored vehicle, you just know you'll be happy with it.
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PringlesKing William: German troops were sniping with MG-42's equipped with scopes. If anything, the MG-42 was TOO accurate. Normally, you tend to prefer a little spread in a machine gun to increase the effectiveness of supressing fire. The Mg-42 on the other hand behaved like a precision rifle on full auto.
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Any gun manufacturer with faith in their product should be more than happy to have people shoot their products. If they work flawlessly, then that's great marketing. If issues occur: ample opportunity for ironing out kinks to further perfect the product.
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WrathMachine : It depends on the war and the customer. Our military is oriented towards defense, because our military doctrine is not about prosecuting wars of conquest or interfering with the business of other countries. Regarding this SMG I think Sweden made the right call. The U.S had no business to enter Vietnam, and predictably it turned into a giant shitshow. So refraining from supplying the U.S with further arms was the only principled action to take. If the U.S adopts a more non-interventionist military doctrine, focused on defending it's own borders rather than toppling governments of other nations and smashing their infrastructure with the hopes of keeping the oil prices down, then Sweden would be more amicable towards trade in weapons. But ever since WWII, the U.S military has been used in a completely opposite manner. The U.S own borders is leaking like swiss cheese, since illegal immigrants just waltz in without any interference while the armed forces of the U.S is off on the other side of the world, killing people and destroying things which have no realistic chance of ever threatening anyone on the U.S home soil.
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I'm willing to believe Findorak's story of why it was rejected. Government contracts for military hardware are usually subject to politics more than performance. Plenty of superior weapons have been passed up due to inferior competitors making backroom deals with politicians in all countries.
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Harry Sullivan: Hundreds of thousands dead Allied troops due to german machine gun fire can attest to it's practicality...
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mcjagermech: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_42 "The concept eventually led to the development of the MG34 which was envisaged and well developed to provide anti-aircraft coverage, highly portable infantry coverage, and even sniping ability . The MG34 was developed to use the standard German rifle round of 7.92×57mm Mauser." "As a result, the sustained rate of fire was very high. The MG 34 was so accurate that *it was often mounted on a tripod with a telescopic sight for sniping at very long distances* . It was chambered in the standard 7.92×57mm Mauser cartridge (often called 8mm)." As to the rest of your ignorant claims, The BAR 1918 had a pathetic magazine capacity and couldn't sustain fire long enough to be a useful light machine gun. The M1 is a sub-machine gun. It doesn't compare to a light machine gun. Then there's the matter of how many were issued. The Browning 1919 weren't issued in nearly the same proportions as the Mg-34 and the Mg-42. So yeah. Back to history class with you. And btw, there is no such thing as a "sniper rifle". The term is "precision rifle". Sniper is a type of soldier, sniping is an activity, neither are a weapon.
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I'm an amateur welder. My welds don't always look nice. But I subject them to the jump test every time to make sure they'll hold. What is the jump test you ask? Well I weigh about 200 pounds. If the weld holds when i'm jumping repeatedly up and down on it, I consider it a good one.
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They didn't want them used in Vietnam, for obvious reasons.
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WrathMachine : The manufacturer might not care, if they're private. But the thing about Sweden is that you can't manufacture and sell weapons without government oversight. Basically the government tells you which customers are approved or not. There is no "free market" for firearms in scandinavia, only tightly regulated markets.
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Brett Higdon: They used asbestos gloves to change barrels.
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@TheDoorspook11c Tanks have always been plagued by the issue of limited vision. They can't respond to threats as effectively in dense forest terrain or tight urban terrain. Open terrain is where they can use the long range capabilities of their armament to it's fullest. And it also prevents enemy infantry from hiding and taking cover as easily as they can in less open areas.
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I have to admit... As soon as the back cover slid off, I was immediately disgusted by the complexity of the mechanism inside the gun. No wonder this thing got canned.
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@chuy3162 It's also a good way to ensure that your own civilians get slaughtered. As we see in Ukraine right now. Zelenskyy made the disastrous decision to basically hand out guns to any civilian who wanted them. People without training or military expertise. Now put yourself in the shoes of a russian soldier when he learns of how the Ukrainian government is arming civilians en masse. Will he check his targets or will he shoot at anything that moves with this knowledge at the back of his mind Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian government share some of the blame when it comes to civilian casualties because of this, due to their desperate acts of pressing civilians into service and arming civilians.
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@jkausti6737 Well to be fair, it's the same with a lot of militaries in the world. They possess a lot of cutting edge and high tech stuff, but the troops currently serving rarely get their hands on them. It's all mothballed in storage for whatever reason. So most troops make do with crap that was made 10-30 years ago.
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When I look at the deisgn of that magazine. I can't help but feel that it should've been easily converted to a belt feed system. It's like halfway there.
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@vidard9863 It also means the invaders are far more likely to slaughter civilians en masse, because in that scenario they have no way of telling combatants from civilians. Literally everyone will be a potential combatant. And that's not an idea you want soldiers to have in their heads if the war drags on and they're feeling tired, hungry and frustrated.
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Are clips really obsolete technology? I know there's huge benefits to detachable magazines, so there's no question about that. I just can't help but feel that we haven't yet seen the ammo clip reach it's full potential. Plenty of servicemen will agree that any weight you can shave off from your gear will be an advantage, right? So what if there is a way for a modern rifle using a modern clip to get rid of some of those extra grams that magazines create? A clip is also much easier to manufacture if done right. It's just a piece of stamped and folded steel. No springs or followers needed.
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@CrashRacknShoot I like a lot of design elements of it. And as far as the full-auto problems Ian had on the range, like you said, it's a prototype. And in my expience, misfeeds and trigger reset failures usually bottles down to the piece just needing some more machining. Some material needs to be added or taken off. But that's part and parcel of gunsmithing after all. This gun clearly doesn't need that much work to function flawlessly.
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Knut Der Große: pretty typical of all weapons and tanks. Germans builds it. Swedes improve it.
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Snow starts singing Llevan Polka
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I can sort of see why. A break action single shotgun for example everything is so much smaller and fiddly, but with the M79 everything is quite oversized by comparison, so with some practice i'm sure you could fire and reload it really damn fast.
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@scapegoat1313 That's true. I don't use a pick up truck for work though. Just a volkswagen caddy. But with some steel pieces I worry that the tires might get damaged running over them 😂
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@thesickrobot6924 Yes, the Red Army did shape up quite a bit after Stalin was gone.
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@dave_h_8742 Depends on which Tremors. Burt Gummer had a big safari rifle in the first film, but I don't think it was a 4-bore. Then in the third film, which takes place in old west times, Burt Gummers ancestor used a big ass punt gun (again not a 4-bore but a massive duck hunting shotgun, intended for having it rest on a little boat of it's own when you fire it)
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Wow... I never thought of the slide abruptly stopping when hitting the back causing the barrel to rise. I always thought it had more to do with the gas recoil and the wrist. That's what I love about firearms. You learn something new almost every day.
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To be fair... Have wire stocks ever been that great? The cleaning rod is definitely a nice feature, but it seems to me that no shooter really prefer wire stocks to solid stocks, or at the very least skeletonized stocks. I'd assume that the idea behind all wire stocks is a sort of "better than nothing" idea, designed to save space and weight.
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I don't think it would be too hard to work out a mechanism to give it "iron sights". Like the front could have a slotted plate that you push upward to give you an iron sight at the front. In folded position you just depress that plate and you maintain the flat box shape.
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They say German engineering is top notch The Swiss: "Hold my beer"
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I just love it when they integrate weapon maintenance tools into the individual parts of the weapon itself. Like that cleaning rod in the wire stock, or how some parts of other weapons are fashioned to work as screw drivers with the correct size for screws in the weapon. It's just brilliant, since most of the time all it takes is machining some extra notches or holes into the parts. So the added production costs are negligible, while adding a decent logistical benefit to the whole package.
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@Pigness7 I wouldn't say it fits in the game, since the game lore already had some established weaponry so it just looks out of place to me. That said, it doesn't look "bad" or anything. I just think it would've made a better addition in a different franchise than Fallout.
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I'd take this over a modern MP5 or MP7 any day of the week
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Chad B: There was this older game called Sniper: Ghost Warrior that made a pretty good attempt at simulating real sniping too. You were forced to account for bullet drop and windage with every shot.
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And a WW2 vet would conclude that the M60 sucks ass cmpared to an MG34 or an MG42. :)
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Well with soviet weapons from that time period it was also partly a result of poor manufacturing. If you want accuracy in a firearm, you don't want the parts of it wobbling around due to recoil, but that was the case with this gun as well as the AK-47. They also wobble and rattle like crazy when fired on full auto in slow mo videos. However with later versions of the AK, manufacturing methods got improved and overall precision and tolerance levels were as well, so you don't see modern AK's wobble and rattle much even in slow mo videos.
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@StressmanFIN That's the reality of being in the military. Everything you use as a soldier was made by the LOWEST bidder.
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