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I don't think The Joker himself really knows how he got those scars. The problem with insanity is that your own memory can become an unreliable narrator.
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Maybe a bit nitpicky, but one thing that could also have been discussed is how Ryan authorized the use of the pheromone plasmid, which essentially functions as mind control of people, in his civil war against Fontaine. There's an audio diary in the first game I believe, where Ryan tries to justify to himself how taking away free will from individuals by utilizing the pheromone plasmid is somehow the right thing to do in order to maintain his vision of Rapture. So Ryan didn't merely resort to regular dictatorship methods by constructing turrets and cameras and armed police to quash dissidents. He even went so far as to manipulate people's minds biochemically to maintain control of Rapture.
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I always found it curious how both Candyman and Freddy Kreuger are both supernatural phantasms, who both rely on the memories and fears of people to maintain their existence. Well at least on Freddy's part it was established in Freddy vs Jason. Maybe a Candyman and Terror on Elm Street crossover would've been a more interesting crossover?
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The thing is though, it is hard to imagine for a sane person the kind of destructive and compelling influence an insane mind may exert on someone afflicted. I don't think Francis was "merely" traumatized, since most traumatized people pull themselves up from it into normalcy again. His issue with Schizophrenia ran deeper and controlled him. How can one demand morals and ethics out of a person who is born to be unable to exhibit these abilities? It's like demanding a person born without legs to walk or run. That's not a defense of Francis' actions, and ultimately the world is a safer place with Francis being dead. He probably had to die, or at the very least be locked away from society forever. But at the same time, I think it's more fair to say that his condition was terrible rather than he being terrible. Had he been born without his mental deformity, things might've turned out differently. I think true evil comes more from those who are certainly born with the capacity and ability to lead good lives, but choose evil just to satiate some perverse urges or desires.
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@Liam-f7q7v it's not a delusion. Jessup is a product of the same doctrine which he subjected Santiago to. To him, hazing was seen as normal and approved by the Marine Corps.
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One thing I like to keep in mind is that V in the graphic novel is more morally ambigous of a character, while in the movie he's portrayed as being a charming man in pursuit of righteous revenge. I like the movie, but I think the novel did a better job at posing implicit questions about V's morality and the morality of his actions. When V is done right, people would argue over whether he's a radical activist with a righteous cause or a lunatic terrorist.
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What I found the most spooky part from that scene was when Buffalo Bill was pulling up the lotion bucket with the electric light and the girl sees the countless scratch marks on the inside of the well, and it dawns on her what's going to happen to her.
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I always found Javiers face to be interesting. He's not ugly, but not pretty either. Rather there's something unique and peculiar about his facial structure. I think it must be a real benefit for someone pursuing acting as a career. I've often noticed how you really tend to remember interesting faces in actors. "Pretty boys" are a dime a dozen in Hollywood. But sometimes you just get mesmerized by someones very defined features. Like Javiers, but also actors like Lee Van Cleef and Billy Drago. For some reason they also make very good villains.
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@haywoodjablome7822 But not strictly a legal one. Which is the problem. The corps is happy if hazing goes on unofficially to strengthen failing recruits. But if deaths occur, they leave responsible officers out to dry .
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One thing to consider here for poor Smeagol is the fact that his life depended on the ring. Consider how rapidly Bilbo aged after he had given up the ring and it was destroyed in Mount Doom. Bilbo's lifespan was prolonged unnaturally by the ring, and once destroyed the effect wore off rapidly. For Smeagol the ring's destruction would've meant certain death since he'd age 400 years in a matter of days.
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Since we're on the topic of Westerns... How about Al Swearengen from the HBO series "Deadwood"? Al Swearengen was a historical figure too. And he is a very complex character in the show, deep into the moral grey area.
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The costumes of this film are actually quite brilliant. It's a french production, so the costume designers would be people deep into the high fashion world. So when you see an outlandish costume in the film, it's not just a costume but probably a kind of avant garde cotoure that would be right at home in some of the Parisian catwalks. I'd say it adds a certain cultural depth to the film that you may not have found in a purely american production. Also if you're a sci-fi buff, it's always a treat to watch french productions and read comic books of the genre. The priorities are considerations in making them are quite different, colourful and refreshing compared to works from the anglosphere. Not necessairly "better" all the time, but just "different". It's kind of like the difference between western anglosphere science fiction and Japanese Anime.
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I always thought that Lee Van Cleef outshined Clint Eastwood in the dollars trilogy. Eastwood can squint a lot, but Van Cleef has got the look of a real badass.
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What V doesn't understand is that the anarchy he wishes to bring about is basically the state of being that the UK was in before Norsefire took over. Gangs with guns fighting for supremacy and limited resources. He has a naive and idealized view (like many anarchists) that if no government is present, people will just sing, dance and find a way to get along voluntarily. But that has never happened at any point during the course of human history.
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@animeAJproductions Both Ryan and Fontaine were antagonists of the story. Ryan was a man who abandoned his own principles for the sake of maintaining his grip on power over others. Fontaine was a man devoid of principles, except to make sure his self-interests were served at the cost of everyone else. Technically, Fontaine is actually Ryan's "ideal person".
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Oh for anyone who didn't know, The Shield takes place in the same universe as Sons of Anarchy and The Mayans. Although there hasn't been much of a crossover between The Shield and the other two, save for the presence of the One-Niners gang
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@djinnxx7050 The difference is that the movie clumbsily painted V in an overtly positive light with zero moral ambiguity to his character. The comic book did not.
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That's the thing though, totalitarian leaders aren't monsters. They're human just like everybody else. And the capacity of becoming a totalitarian leader resides in pretty much everyone given the right circumstances.
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@djinnxx7050 So you haven't even read the comic, and you come here trying to argue against someone who has? Why should anyone bother with your commentary then? 🤔
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What I find the most intriguing about Gus Fring, is that he probably is a "net force" for good in some respects. He's involved with meth production and sale, and maybe he use a lot of the revenue from his various businesses (legal and illegal alike) to give ti charity and youth programs, i'm not entirely sure he does it as a "front". Gus doesn't really divulge his inner thoughts a lot in Breaking Bad or Better Call Saul, but I think that in his mind, he's trying to harness the potential for wealth through crime towards the use of helping the community. He created Los Pollos Hermanos, not solely as a front for his drug trade, but also to create a job opportunity for people with quite low qualifications. And whenever he's being his most ruthless self, it is usually towards other criminals, since he views them as harmful scum of society. His methods and actions really seem to embody the addage "Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs". He's willing to sacrifice the lives and wellbeing of drug addicts and cartel members alike in order to acquire more money to fund his community building efforts. This also shows in his relatively modest personal lifestyle. He doesn't live in a luxurious mansion. He doesn't squander money on too many luxury items. His greatest projects are geared towards community building and offering an opportunity to people who are willing to work hard and aren't "lost causes".
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That goes for most main characters in the franchise. I mean, I can't even see Gustavo Fring as allout evil.
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I like to think that Smeagol surfaced a little in Gollum when they bit off Frodo's finger to reclaim the ring and plummet into the lava of mount doom.
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@nathanhall2012 That's the thing about Bioshock. It's a critique of Objectivism and throws various problems at it that can't be solved within the framework of it. But at the same time, they did the same thing to the polar opposite of objectivism in Bioshock 2, where Sophia Lamb represented socialim/communism.
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@djinnxx7050 Also the rest of your post is kind of inconsequential to mine. I'm not here to debate your political theory.
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@djinnxx7050 Dude you responded to MY original post. A post where I started a discussion comparing the comic book version and the film version of the character. And now you think you can change the parameters of the discussion by claiming that it's only the film version of the character being discussed without anyone noticing? 😆 The fact that i'm better than you is self evident and not because I read the comic book. 🙄
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@djinnxx7050 No but it makes your view of the character less relevant since you only have 50 percent of the knowledge about it's portrayal.
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@dougrattmann3554 You're "never shown' that? Did you miss the state of Sophia Lamb's followers? And how about Sophia Lamb herself and how deranged she becomes?
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@marinazolotic4347 Always be wary of what people are trying to hide. Especially the ones who seem intelligent, charismatic and/or attractive. More often than not, they purposefully project these attributes to hide something.
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@mattgilbert7347 Well, people throw around words like "fascist", "racist', "nazi" way too casually these days so I just assume by default that whenever a person use any of these words online in derision of what someone else has posted, they'll probably call me the same thing. Because in this day and age, everything is apparently fascist, racist and white supremacist.
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@harmonetheanimationaddict4419 Hitler was a painter too. But the art colleges rejected him. And the entire world suffered for it.
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@malbasedvalentine3210 I think Alan Moore can be taken seriously, even though I'm an opponent to his views. Taking something seriously isn't the same as agreeing with it in my view. It's about trying to learn something from different perspectives, even the ones you disagree with.
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@Liam-f7q7v Delusion and brainwashing is not the same thing. One is created solely by the individuals own mind. The other is created by some external factor. Jessup thinks the way he does, not because he's delusional, but because it's how the marine corps have taught him to think.
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@djinnxx7050 He does worse in the comic book. The movie ends up justifying his abdudction and imprisonment of Evey a lot more.
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@cinnamonflavord I remember his demise as Lumpy in King Kong. Those fluke worms man... the stuff of nightmares.
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@CAMSLAYER13 You're wrong. Sexual hormones does not create a sexual compulsion, they cause sexual arousal. Arousal and compulsion are not the same thing, because they operate on completely different principles. Arousal and desire operate on the principle that you will experience a hormonal reward for doing something (it feels good). Compulsions on the other hand operate primarily on the principle of punishment (you feel pain or discomfort) if you don't engage in certain behaviours. You don't breathe because it "feels good". You breathe becuse if you tried to stop breathing, it would be uncomfortable and even painful the more depletdd your oxygen reserves get. Sexual intercourse however is not something you engage in because you feel pain or discomfort if you refrain from it. You engage in it because it feels good. And that's the ONLY reason. Your lizard brain doesn't comprehend that sexual intercourse will result in procreation. In fact most sex humans engage in does not result in pregnancies at all (only a tiny minority of sessions actually cause conception because the arousal and the sex has to match almost perfectly with the female's ovulation or no conception will take place).
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Yep. Chuck is the real villain. He could've been the bigger man, but let his ego and petty nature put Jimmy down the darkest path imaginable.
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I don't see the Ludovico technique as immoral. "Punishment" is only really useful on people where they know they've done something wrong and have regrets about it. For them, punishment is deserved and there's a slim chance of rehabilitation. But for people like Alex, rehabilitation is impossible in real life. Nor would it be moral to LET them rehabilitate and re-join society. It would go against justice to do so, since their victims definitely can't just "rehabilitate" from the trauma they've been put through by people like Alex. So in the real world I'd basically say that people like Alex should just be executed. They are irrevocably dangerous and the problem they pose can only be solved through permanent censure. The Ludovico technique at least offers a way where those individuals needn't be executed.
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@SvenDzahov The term "toxic masculinity" is just unreasonably anti-macho, created by feminists to demean men. It's not toxic masculinity to "suck it up" even when you've faced hardships. For millenia, society has depended on men to ignore their individual pain and misery to get hard jobs done. And the fact that so many men made this sacrifice is an admirable trait, not "toxic". In this day and age people are lead to believe that the only thing that matters is one's own health and happiness, causing an extremely myopic perspective of what to do in life. Sometimes you just don't have the luxury to "sit down and talk about your PTSD". In some situations you have to have the strength to disregard it and push through, because someone else depends on your success.
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Dexter didn't kill Doakes though. Lila did.
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@celladoor_uk There is a difference between an urge and being compelled. Urge or desire implies that the individual would derive pleasure from the act. But if a psychological illness is COMPELLING you to do something, it's a different situation. Because the compulsion is not about pleasure, but about avoiding pain or misery. When you look at Francis and his issues, it's pretty clear that a lot of it comes from compulsion rather than desire. He's got that dragon/grandmother personality inside of him that constantly screams at him snd threatens to do harm to him unless he does what he's told. Whereas the true evil that I was talking about, is about people who might desire to inflict harm on people for pleasure, but aren't really under compulsion to do them. Like with a child molester for example. Nobody "has to" engage in sexual activities with people they desire. They WANT to, but they don't HAVE TO. Yet the child molester puts his own urges and twisted ideas of pleasure above the well being and safety of his victim.
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@celladoor_uk I don't think they fall into that category, since their sexual urges tend to follow the same patterns as legal sexualities. Most humans desire sex. But the targets of their attraction differs. However, NO HUMAN ON EARTH is compelled to have sex. Sex is not vital to any persons individual survival. It is instrumental for the survival or the species as a group, but on the individual level it is not required for survival. You can survive for about four days without water, but then you die. You are therefore compelled to drink water and restock fluids in your body. You can survive for a couple of weeks without food, but then you die. You are therefore compelled to eat in order to stay alive. You can survive for a few minutes without oxygen, but then you will die. You are therefore compelled to breathe. You can survive for your entire natural life without having sex, and dying ad a result of old age without the lack or sexual intercourse ever threatening your life whatsoever. Therefore, sex is not a compulsion. Sex is something you choose to engage in with the persons of your desire. The child molester is no different in this regard. Yet they choose to engage in it for the sake of their selfish desires, at the cost of the wellbeing of the persons of their desire.
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@SinEstherLittle Practically every patch member would be when you think about it. They do kill people for the sake of the MC's profits after all.
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@PrinceAliTheGreatest Revenge is justice And the reason why our modern societies has such extremely low public trust in the justice systems is because justice systems coddle criminals and don't give victims the real kind of closure they need.
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@PrinceAliTheGreatest No psychopathy is not "treatable" and yes it is a personality disorder that Alex definitely possess.
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@PrinceAliTheGreatest It goes against justice because the victims of the offender haven't been paid back. Making the offender "rehabilitated" doesn't help the victims, it only helps the offender. Nobody is going to support a "justice system" long term that HELPS offenders and leave victims in the dirt.
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@n2cable It's too extravagant. Part of what makes the Joker a fascinating character is that he seemingly just "appear" out of nowhere. He's what happens when the anonymous "everyman" finally snaps from the pressures of everyday life. He's got more in common with Michael Douglas' character in the film Falling Down, or The Narrator played by Edward Norton in Fight Club. You don't need a backstory of some ex-military person subjected to secret government experiments to explain why The Joker is made manifest.
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Today, BLM are the ones arguing that everything is race related. The horseshoe comes full circle...
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@Somebodyherefornow A government without a state is an oxymoron. Please understand that.
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Bah, who cares about award shows. They all completely lost their value and meaning anyway.
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Mace Windu from Star Wars, Jules from Pulp Fixtion, Zeus from Die Hard 3 I don't think there's much similarity at all between these characters but they're all played by Sam.
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