Comments by "Patrick Cleburne" (@patrickcleburneuczjsxpmp9558) on "1420 by Daniil Orain" channel.

@maeva7949 What nonsense! For at least the last 100 years the US has been continually more imperialistic than the USSR/Russia.
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@quintrankid8045 "Don't countries like Poland get some say in which international organizations they can join? Or are they not truly sovereign?" We didn't let Cuba host Russian missiles, and we waged war against Yugoslavia in support of a separatist movement within Yugoslavia's borders, and we still have uninvited military in Syria supporting rebel forces within Syria's borders. If Ukraine can't get along peacefully with its most powerful neighbor, whatever fault Russia may have, it's none of our business.
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@quintrankid8045 Better to have trouble with one's neighbors than countries on the opposite side of the world that pose absolutely no threat to us. And what countries has Russia had trouble with other than those NATO has been trying to get into?
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@Hoblero8910 "Since the fall of the Soviet union Russia has been responsible for the following threats being made to other sovereign nations as well as even active wars" Now do the US over the same time period.
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@beatreuteler "So far it can't be seen that US is seeking global hegemony." Then why are we sending billions of dollars of weapons to a country on border of Russia? "where the world can be thankful for such engagement, examples are Ukraine" And what would have happened if we hadn't engaged in Ukraine? Ukraine would have maintained good relations with Russia and there never would have been any war or other fighting to start with. And what would have happened if we hadn't continued to engage after the February 2022 invasion? Ukraine would have made peace more or less on the terms Russia was offering at the start of the war. And what did "the world" lose by shunning those peace terms? Nothing but wasted Ukrainian lives, destroyed Ukrainian property, and wasted US and other NATO country tax dollars. Does "the world" have any interest in Kiev ruling over people in the Donbas that (at least at this point, post-US supported 2014 coup) no longer want to be part of Ukraine? No. Not unless by "the world" you mean the weapons industry and maybe some other robber barons.
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@beatreuteler True, Russia hasn't sought global hegemony like the US. Russia certainly hasn't been militarily involved in the Americas, for example, whereas America is militarily involved everywhere.
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@dennisvogelius8602 My question was: "what countries has Russia had trouble with other than those NATO has been trying to get into?" You list is comprised almost entirely of countries that NATO has either gotten into or has promised to get into, and Russia has only had military conflict with the governments of two of those countries, both of which NATO has promised to get into. In any case, Russia has more cause for conflict with Russia's immediate neighbors than the US does, but the US has gotten into far more military conflicts with the governments of countries on the other side of the world than Russia has even with its immediate neighbors.
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@dennisvogelius8602 "You did not WAGE WAR against Yugoslavia" From February 1998 to June 1999 NATO was at war with Yugoslavia. Or do you not consider a "war" but just a "special military operation"?
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The only major WWII dambuster operation I know about was not by the Germans but by the British in Germany, and there were over 1000 civilian casualties (if you include allied prisoners of war with German civilians), Operation Chastise.
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@phild3936 My intention was primarily to compare Western war crimes to those of Germany, not the USSR, but nonetheless, how many cities did Stalin nuc? How many cities suffered from Stalin the loss of life that Tokyo suffered from American firebombing? As for other questions besides war crimes, like, for example, the post-WWII issues you brought up, yes, I think Soviet control does seem like it was incomparably worse than US control. Unfortunately, the same can't be said of more recent US military adventures like Iraq.
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@putinspuppet "You can criticise the US for its many faults but they have the ability to change unlike Russia and China." Not only do we have "the ability to change" -- whatever that means -- we also have the ability to change by use of military force most any other country -- Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yugoslavia, Syria, as well as countries not on the opposite side of the world -- an ability which Americans avail themselves of more often than any other country in the world.
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@Simonsvids Whatever the longer term history the more recent trend over the last last 50 years of the West's military footprint certainly hasn't been downsizing, and that's even without counting the countries that we've been bombing, launching drone strikes against, etc. as part of our military footprint.
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@darksidegamer6192 I didn't say anything about anyone being forced into NATO. But the CIA has certainly been very involved in other countries' domestic politics, and whether the CIA was actively involved in Euromaidan or not, the US certainly supported that insurrection or whatever you want to call it -- whatever it was it definitely wasn't strictly democratic in the sense of ultimately coming down to the result of regular voting. And then there are things like the video of Biden when he was vice president openly bragging about using aid to Ukraine as leverage to manipulate the Ukrainian government into ousting Ukrainian government officials that Biden wanted gone. So the US and NATO have used other means to get Russia's neighbors to do what the US wants besides forcing them into NATO. "But yes it wasn't really a war, since they only bombed targets and it lasted for two months." Good to know that bombing another country and launching cruise missiles at it don't count as waging war. Also good to know that if a war doesn't continue for at least a year that it doesn't count as a war. Also good to know that if there's a good reason (or at least allegedly so) for going to war that it doesn't count as a war then either. I learn something new every day.
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@Hoblero8910 "No country has ever been forced to join NATO" Unless you count the CIA orchestrating a coup (referred to as something other than a coup or insurrection by Americans, of course) when a country makes the "wrong" decision. "This can easily be seen now with Turkey alone blocking Sweden from joining NATO" The lie can easily be seem by the fact that Turkey will only put up a temporary show of blocking Sweden from joining NATO. "Why do these Russian neighbours want to be a part of NATO?" Bribes, shady deals... How many US tax dollars have flowed into eastern Europe in shady deals? Why do you think Croatia, Albania, Montenegro, North Macedonia... wanted to join NATO after a solid wall of NATO countries already existed between it and Russia? It wasn't to protect against anything Russia might do. "It feels very strange that you should blame the USA for accepting these countries (also accepted by every single other member of NATO) into NATO when they themselves were asking to join." There's plenty of blame to share. Zelensky and other Ukrainian elites have surely profited handsomely while their former country has been torn apart and destroyed, but it certainly hasn't been the rising tide of the Ukrainian economy that has made them rich. Do you really think Ukrainians are better off for having courted NATO? What reason is there to believe that apart from the 2014 anti-Russian insurrection and Ukraine cozying up to an anti-Russian military alliance that Russia ever would have invaded? None.
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@Epic Vlad The US and UK are world leaders when it comes to "societies responsible for war crimes," and they have been going back to at WWII, the Boer Wars...
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@thethirdtime9168 "Ukraine ain't the one aggressively shelling civilians" Not that it ultimately makes any difference to me as an American -- I certainly don't think it's my place as an American to judge all the other peoples of the world, and I certainly don't want my country getting into a hot war with Russia over alleged war crimes (even if the allegations are completely true); that's the furthest thing from a real solution -- but there have been abundant allegations of Ukraine shelling civilians. Are you just ignorant of the allegations? Or on what basis have you judged them?
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@thethirdtime9168 "That's the difference - whether it's singular events or a deliberate military tactic to put civilians are risk." And you think the US/NATO didn't target "civilian infrastructure" in Iraq or Yugoslavia? The US may not have intended to target a civilian train on the Grdelica bridge, but the US/NATO certainly meant to destroy that bridge. And show me where Ukraine disavowed the bombing of the Kerch bridge or the drone attack on the Crimean fuel depot. And how many civilians in the Donbas died from shelling both before Russia's direct involvement and since? Thousands even before and the war has only intensified since. Nope, there's no substance to the distinction you're trying to draw.
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@thethirdtime9168 "Fuel depots and bridges are much more valid targets than dams and powerplants." Bridges carrying civilian traffic don't count as "civilian infrastructure"? How do you figure that? And you're simply assuming Russia blew up a dam that Ukraine had more incentive to blow up than Russia. In any case, that's not an example of what Russian state TV publicly claimed, which was your original claim. What did Russia target in Ukrainian held territory that its NPR counterpart claimed as an intentional target? "I in my inherent skepticism hold a personal belief that at least some of the problems were instigated by covert Russians, and since Russia speaking Ukrainians also have access to Russia state TV at least some were fueled as well by lies and propaganda" Fair enough, but the same can be said for the West and the insurrection in Ukraine that immediately preceded the military conflict in 2014, right? "Are you truly even American at this point?" Am I not "truly American" if I'd like my country to mind its own business and not play judge and policeman over the rest of the world?
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