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Comments by "Patrick Cleburne" (@patrickcleburneuczjsxpmp9558) on "Ukraine War: Ukraine's former president says Putin wants to destroy the West" video.
@ktu668 There would be a lot more of Ukraine left (including more Ukrainians) if Ukraine would recognize the right of self-determination for the people of Crimea and the Donbass.
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@romeogolf4 Freedom has very little to do with this war. It's mostly a proxy war between Russia and the West, neither of which are fighting for any sort of freedom. The only freedom at stake is the freedom of the people of Crimea and the Donbass. It's the Russians that are fighting on the side of freedom (although that's just an accident of the proxy war.)
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What ridiculous answers from Poroshenko! If Ukraine has any hope of stopping Russia without foreign military intervention, then Russia certainly isn't strong enough to take any land in a war from NATO (even if that didn't mean a MAD), let alone Scotland or Alaska. It's ridiculous enough to suggest that Russia even would want to conquer Poland, let alone that Russia's powerful enough to accomplish that.
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@Razor Mouth If we hadn't taken over Hawaii and conquered the Philippines, we wouldn't have been pulled into WW2.
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@Mexicanj0ker2 If the US had stayed out of WWII, the Soviets would have been a lot weaker by the time they made it to Berlin, never mind Paris.
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What's dumb is sacrificing all the lives and everything else that Ukraine is sacrificing for the sake, as Poroshenko noted, of denying the right of self-determination to Crimea and the Donbass, and that would require a degree of military victory that Ukraine has no hope of achieving anyway.
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@hithere9235 The people of Crimea and the Donbass can surely judge those issues for themselves. If they decide they'd still rather not be ruled by Kiev, what right does Kiev have to deny them that right? Not that it matters whether Kiev has any "right" to deny them the right to self-determination, because Kiev has no hope of taking those areas from Russia by force anyway, so what's the point of fighting for something there's no hope of winning? So either way it's dumb to sacrifice all the lives and everything else that Ukraine is sacrificing for the sake of denying the right of self-determination to Crimea and the Donbass.
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Russia's government is more democratic than Ukraine's. Ukraine's Orange Revolution trumped the results of the 2004 elections, and the Maidan revolution trumped democracy in 2014. Certainly there are huge abuses of freedom in Russia, but so too are there in Ukraine, most notably in denying Crimea and the Donbass the right to choose their own government, even after the anti-democratic coup of 2014. And if we consider American prisoners in Guantanamo that still haven't received a trial, Trudeau seizing bank accounts of peaceful protestors, Austria's forced vaccinations, etc., there are plenty of comparisons that could be made in which Russia is relatively more free.
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@carynunez5664 Too late for what? It was too late for Ukraine to retake Crimea 8 years ago.
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@live_free_or_perish The UK never should have declared war on Hitler in the first place. It wasn't as if the UK was willing to fight for Poland's independence anyway, as the outcome of WWII (including Soviet control of Poland) proved. And declaring war when the UK did only led to Dunkirk and the fall of France (and the Netherlands and Belgium and probably Denmark and Norway, too.)
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