Comments by "Historia, Magistra Vitae" (@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.) on "TYT Explodes Over Calling Trump 'Fascist'" video.

  1. Wrong. You have no clue what Fascism means and what it represented. Sit down.
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  2. Nope.
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  3. Wrong. Hitler was appointed, not elected.
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  4. Fascism was a totalitarian far-left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on National Syndicalism which they adapted from a French Marxist, known as Georges Sorel. It rejected individualism, capitalism, liberalism, democracy, and marxist interpretation of socialism ("class warfare"). Instead, it advocated for class collaboration where the means of production was organized by national worker syndicals (i.e. trade unions / Fascist Corporatism), and the guiding philosophy of the state was Actual Idealism (Neo-Hegelianism). Being an outgrowth of Sorelian Syndicalism, (which itself was an outgrowth from Marxist socialism), its idea was that society would be consolidated (i.e., incorporated) into syndicates (in the Italian context, fascio/fasci) which would be regulated by and serve as organs for the State, or "embody" the State (corpus = body). The purpose was the centralization and synchronization of society under the State, as an end unto itself. To quote Mussolini's infamous aphorism: "All within the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State." As finalized by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile ("the Doctrine of Fascism"), Fascism came from the belief that the "Stateless and Classless society" Communism calls for after its "dictatorship of the proletariat" cannot be achieved, and that only the State can properly organize a socialist society. Therefore, Fascism cared about unity in a strong central government with society being brought together by syndicalist organizations obedient to the State. [01] "La Dottrina Del Fascismo / the Doctrine of Fascism", by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile [02] "Che cosa è il Fascismo: Discorsi e polemiche / Origins and Doctrine of Fascism", by Giovanni Gentile [03] "the Philosophy of Fascism", by Mario Palmieri [04] "Fascism: An Informal Introduction to Its Theory and Practice", by Renzo De Felice [05] "Mussolini's Intellectuals", by A. James Gregor [06] "La Camera dei Fasci e delle Corporazioni", by Rabaglietti Giuseppe & Sergio Panunzio [07] "Teoria generale dello Stato Fascista", by Sergio Panunzio [08] "The Birth of Fascist Ideology" by Zeev Sternhell [09] Any work from Emilio Gentile Trump has nothing to do with Fascism whatsoever, nor does any American politician for that matter.
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  5. "Fascism is always difficult to define as fascists themselves did not want to theorize it." Wrong. Literally the opposite. Fascism is very easy to define as they created a very clear and coherent theory for it.
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  6. "Ultra-nationalism, extreme far-right, regimentation of society and economy, and state as the ends are certain features." Fascism had nothing to do with Right wing of any kind whatsoever. Fascism was a totalitarian far-left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on National Syndicalism which they adapted from a French Marxist, known as Georges Sorel. It rejected individualism, capitalism, liberalism, democracy, and marxist interpretation of socialism ("class warfare"). Instead, it advocated for class collaboration where the means of production was organized by national worker syndicals (i.e. trade unions / Fascist Corporatism), and the guiding philosophy of the state was Actual Idealism (Neo-Hegelianism). Being an outgrowth of Sorelian Syndicalism, (which itself was an outgrowth from Marxist socialism), its idea was that society would be consolidated (i.e., incorporated) into syndicates (in the Italian context, fascio/fasci) which would be regulated by and serve as organs for the State, or "embody" the State (corpus = body). The purpose was the centralization and synchronization of society under the State, as an end unto itself. To quote Mussolini's infamous aphorism: "All within the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State." As finalized by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile ("the Doctrine of Fascism"), Fascism came from the belief that the "Stateless and Classless society" Communism calls for after its "dictatorship of the proletariat" cannot be achieved, and that only the State can properly organize a socialist society. Therefore, Fascism cared about unity in a strong central government with society being brought together by syndicalist organizations obedient to the State. [01] "La Dottrina Del Fascismo / the Doctrine of Fascism", by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile [02] "Che cosa è il Fascismo: Discorsi e polemiche / Origins and Doctrine of Fascism", by Giovanni Gentile [03] "the Philosophy of Fascism", by Mario Palmieri [04] "Fascism: An Informal Introduction to Its Theory and Practice", by Renzo De Felice [05] "Mussolini's Intellectuals", by A. James Gregor [06] "La Camera dei Fasci e delle Corporazioni", by Rabaglietti Giuseppe & Sergio Panunzio [07] "Teoria generale dello Stato Fascista", by Sergio Panunzio [08] "The Birth of Fascist Ideology" by Zeev Sternhell [09] Any work from Emilio Gentile
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  7.  @UsmanArshad-qv5nt  "The references you quoted are all syndicalist fascists not orthodox fascists." Fascism was based around National Syndicalism.
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  8.  @UsmanArshad-qv5nt  "There are hundreds, if not thousands, of academic literature that portrays fascism as far-right." Wrong. There are none. Fascism had nothing to do with Right wing of any kind. Collectivism, National Syndicalism and socialism are not Right wing positions.
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  9.  @UsmanArshad-qv5nt  "My analysis of fascism is that it is an extreme right wing school of thought" Wrong. It is not. Extreme Right wing would be Anarcho-Capitalism.
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  10.  @UsmanArshad-qv5nt  "Just go on to Wikipedia and read what fascism is!" Wiki is wrong and not a credible sources in the first place. Go read actual historical books instead, like the ones I listed.
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  11.  @UsmanArshad-qv5nt  " Fascism's origin is based on the fear of Marxism or socialism which was inspired from neighbouring Soviet as people post WWI were frustrated with low wages and extreme exploitations at the hands of corporates. " Fascism didn't "fear" Marxism. They specifically though that Marxism was doing socialism wrong, and that using National Syndicalism was the proper way to bring about a socialist society. Mussolini was one of the first to comingle the phrase fascism with syndicalism, remarking in the early 1920s that “Fascist syndicalism is national and productivistic… in a national society in which labor becomes a joy, an object of pride and a title to nobility.” Most Italian syndicalists viewed social revolution as a means for rapid transformation to provide “superior productivity,” and if this economic abundance failed to occur, there could be no meaningful social change. The emphasis by syndicalists towards the importance of “producerism” had been originally initiated by Sorel in 1907, who argued that “Marx considers that a revolution by a proletariat of producers who [have] acquired economic capacity.” When Carlo Cafiero developed a compendium for the initial volume of Capital in Italian, Marx reminded his colleague that “material conditions necessary for the emancipation of the proletariat” must be “spontaneously generated by the development of capitalism (den Gang der kapitalistischen Produktion).” The support for the theory of producerism expanded among Fascist syndicalists after the conclusion of the Russian Civil War and transition from war communism showed high unemployment and an environment where “most of the mills and factories were at a standstill; mines and collieries were wrecked and flooded.” After the introduction of the New Economic Policy (NEP), Italian syndicalists continued to move further away from orthodox Marxism, determined to revise it to fit the changing times and to embolden its strategic goals. They argued that the Russian Bolsheviks had failed to adhere to Engels’ 1850 admonition about the dangers of trying to establish a social revolution within an economically backwards environment. This drift had emerged years before the economic malaise of Soviet Russia, prompting most Italian syndicalists to transcend the errors and drawbacks that “they believed they found in orthodox Marxism.” Developed to bring about worker control of the means of production by direct action, the intellectuals of syndicalism came to the realization that Italy's primitive economy could facilitate neither equality nor abundance for society. Without a mature industry developed by the bourgeois, they came to understand that a successful social revolution required the support of “classless” revolutionaries. Mussolini, along with Italian syndicalists, Nationalists and Futurists, contended that those revolutionaries would be Fascists, not Marxists or some other ideology. According to Mussolini and other syndicalist theoreticians, Fascism would be “the socialism of ‘proletarian nations.’” Fascist syndicalists also became preoccupied with the idea of increasing production instead of simply establishing a redistributive economic structure. Sergio Panunzio, a major theoretician of Italian Fascism and syndicalism, believed that Syndicalists were producerists, rather than distributionists. In his criticism of the Bolsheviks’ handling of their economy, Panunzio also asserted that Russian Soviet state had become a “dictatorship over the proletariat, and not of the proletariat.”
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  12.  @UsmanArshad-qv5nt  "Mousilini and others never wanted socialism" Wrong. They specifically did, and Mussolini himself was a devout socialist. "For this I have been and am a socialist. The accusation of inconsistency has no foundation. My conduct has always been straight in the sense of looking at the substance of things and not to the form. I adapted socialisticamente to reality. As the evolution of society belied many of the prophecies of Marx, the true socialism folded from possible to probable. The only feasible socialism socialisticamente is corporatism, confluence, balance and justice interests compared to the collective interest. " - As quoted in “Soliloquy for ‘freedom’ Trimellone island”, on the Italian Island of Trimelone, journalist Ivanoe Fossani, one of the last interviews of Mussolini, March 20, 1945,
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  13.  @UsmanArshad-qv5nt  "1. Social Conservatism" Fascism had nothing to do with Conservatism. They didn't want to preserve the status quo nor already established traditional institutions, customs, and values. Fascism was a revolutionary movement which wanted to imitate the Roman Empire.
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  14.  @UsmanArshad-qv5nt  "2. Authoritarian Means of opposing egalitarianism." Every single socialist regime was an authoritarian one-party dictatorship.
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  15.  @UsmanArshad-qv5nt  "Advice: Get out from the work of Gentile as he was an apologist for fascists" Gentile was one of the major thinkers and founder fathers of Fascism. Without Gentile, there would be no Fascism to even speak of. By using your ridiculous logic, people should also get out from the works of Marx and Engels as they were "apologists for Communism".
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  16.  @UsmanArshad-qv5nt  " Study some real stuff from unbiased source." Again; [01] "Fascism: An Informal Introduction to Its Theory and Practice", by Renzo De Felice [02] "Mussolini's Intellectuals", by A. James Gregor [03] "La Camera dei Fasci e delle Corporazioni", by Rabaglietti Giuseppe & Sergio Panunzio [04] "Teoria generale dello Stato Fascista", by Sergio Panunzio [05] "The Birth of Fascist Ideology" by Zeev Sternhell [06] Any work from Emilio Gentile
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  17.  @UsmanArshad-qv5nt  " I can quote hundreds of academic literature that argues Fascism is far-right in its inherent character and nature. " You can't, since there are none. Historians accept the socialist roots of Fascism, and the Italian historians themselves deny that Fascism had anything to do with modern day Far-Right (Renzo De Felice, Emilio Gentile).
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  18.  @UsmanArshad-qv5nt  "Wikipedia is a credible source if it has references of credible sources. " Wiki has never been a credible source of information. Those references do not really help when most of them point to other random online articles written by random clueless Americans.
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  19.  @UsmanArshad-qv5nt  "No, No, by no means was Gentile the founder of fascism." He was one of them, as there were many Fascist theoreticians who were working with Mussolini. Alceste De Ambris & Filippo Tommaso Marinetti were there in the beginning, then later came Sergio Panunzio, Alfredo Rocco, Edmondo Rossoni, Mario Palmieri etc. Regarding Gentile, he was the one who formulated the latest iteration of the ideology with Mussolini.
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  20.  @UsmanArshad-qv5nt  "Mousilini interview was a fabricated piece which right wing propagandist like you put forth." Source?
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  21.  @UsmanArshad-qv5nt  " I said "egalitarianism". " No socialist nor Left wing movement wants egalitarianism, which is usually characterized by the idea that all humans are equal in fundamental worth or moral status. Even Marxists go against egalitarianism as they want to get rid of people they call "bourgeoisie". Every socialist regime only cared about their own specific in-group.
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  22.  @UsmanArshad-qv5nt  "Fascism seeks status quo once it is established." That is what every movement does. This isn't magically unique to Fascism. Even Communism would seek to preserve the status quo once such society has been established.
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  23.  @UsmanArshad-qv5nt  "Mousilini was never been a socialist by his actions and beliefs." Wrong. Mussolini was always a socialist, by his actions, words and beliefs. He started out as a Marxist, and was accepted by his socialist peers as a Marxist theoretician. He rose to leadership in the Italian Socialist Party at least in part on the basis of his recognized capacity as a socialist intellectual. Then he understood that in order to have a socialist society, Marxism is not the proper way, which is why he turned to revolutionary National Syndicalism, which he adapted from a French Marxist, known as Georges Sorel. "I owe most to Georges Sorel. This master of syndicalism by his rough theories of revolutionary tactics has contributed most to form the discipline, energy and power of the fascist cohorts." - As Quoted in The New Inquisitions: Heretic-Hunting and the Intellectual Origins of Modern Totalitarianism, Arthur Versluis, Oxford University Press (2006)
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  24.  @UsmanArshad-qv5nt  "Your ill-informed views about fascism and inability to link it with far-right is based on only Gentile work inference done by you." Again, Fascism had nothing to do with Right wing of any kind. Collectivism, National Syndicalism and socialism are not Right wing positions.
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  25.  @UsmanArshad-qv5nt  "Logical conclusion is he was not a marxist when he was a fascist." Nobody said he was. He started out as a Marxist and transitioned to revolutionary national syndicalism which he then called Fascism, as he thought it was the proper way to implement socialism instead of the "class struggle".
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  26.  @UsmanArshad-qv5nt  "Actions of Mussolini which were socialists in nature? " Since socialism is an economic system, you only need to do one action; collectivize the means of production, distribution and exchange of goods, which the Fascists did, via Corporatism. Ideologically, where the Fascists diverged from the Marxists was in their rejection of the narrative of class warfare, which they saw as utterly repudiated by the behavior of "the proletariat" during World War I, where rather than join together in a mutual overthrow of capitalism, the working class of each country stayed in lockstep with national loyalties and slaughtered their supposed foreign class brethren. Both the Fascists and Marxists despised Liberalism, and saw it as having a perverse role in atomizing the individual from society.
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  27.  @UsmanArshad-qv5nt  "Egalitarianism is the only goal of socialism. " Wrong. It is not. The only goal of socialism is Equity.
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  28. "Fascism is hyperpatriotic ultra-nationalistic militant right-wing populism." Except Fascism had nothing to do with Right wing of any kind whatsoever. Fascism was a totalitarian far-left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on National Syndicalism which they adapted from a French Marxist, known as Georges Sorel. It rejected individualism, capitalism, liberalism, democracy, and marxist interpretation of socialism ("class warfare"). Instead, it advocated for class collaboration where the means of production was organized by national worker syndicals (i.e. trade unions / Fascist Corporatism), and the guiding philosophy of the state was Actual Idealism (Neo-Hegelianism). Being an outgrowth of Sorelian Syndicalism, (which itself was an outgrowth from Marxist socialism), its idea was that society would be consolidated (i.e., incorporated) into syndicates (in the Italian context, fascio/fasci) which would be regulated by and serve as organs for the State, or "embody" the State (corpus = body). The purpose was the centralization and synchronization of society under the State, as an end unto itself. To quote Mussolini's infamous aphorism: "All within the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State." As finalized by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile ("the Doctrine of Fascism"), Fascism came from the belief that the "Stateless and Classless society" Communism calls for after its "dictatorship of the proletariat" cannot be achieved, and that only the State can properly organize a socialist society. Therefore, Fascism cared about unity in a strong central government with society being brought together by syndicalist organizations obedient to the State. [01] "La Dottrina Del Fascismo / the Doctrine of Fascism", by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile [02] "Che cosa è il Fascismo: Discorsi e polemiche / Origins and Doctrine of Fascism", by Giovanni Gentile [03] "the Philosophy of Fascism", by Mario Palmieri [04] "Fascism: An Informal Introduction to Its Theory and Practice", by Renzo De Felice [05] "Mussolini's Intellectuals", by A. James Gregor [06] "La Camera dei Fasci e delle Corporazioni", by Rabaglietti Giuseppe & Sergio Panunzio [07] "Teoria generale dello Stato Fascista", by Sergio Panunzio [08] "The Birth of Fascist Ideology" by Zeev Sternhell [09] Any work from Emilio Gentile
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  29. "It's not an ideology, but a reactionary tactic. " Wrong. Fascism was a very specific Italian political ideology based on Revolutionary (National) Syndicalism and Neo-Hegelian philosophy.
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  30. "Nazis were the German variant. Trumpism is the current American stain." Neither had anything to do with Fascism.
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  31. You have no clue what Fascism was and what it represented. Get some help for your TDS.
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  32. Fascism specifically was THE LAW. They were Statists.
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  33. Trump has no characteristics of Fascism. He is not a socialist for example.
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  34. Hitler was never a Fascist though. He was a National Socialist. Two different ideologies.
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  35. Japan didn't have Fascism, nor did Germany for that matter.
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  36. Only Mussolini's Italy was Fascist in the first place, and of course you have to look like the Fascist Italy in order to be Fascist. Otherwise there is no meaning behind Fascism if it can arbitrarily be anything and everything.
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  37. " Thus the NSDAP name and the fundamental contradiction within." There was no contradiction there... not to mention that National Socialism and Fascism were two fundamentally different ideologies.
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  38. There is no Fascism in America whatsoever.
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  39. Wrong. Fascism had nothing to do with Right wing of any kind whatsoever, nor with Spain nor Germany. Fascism was a totalitarian far-left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on National Syndicalism which they adapted from a French Marxist, known as Georges Sorel. It rejected individualism, capitalism, liberalism, democracy, and marxist interpretation of socialism ("class warfare"). Instead, it advocated for class collaboration where the means of production was organized by national worker syndicals (i.e. trade unions / Fascist Corporatism), and the guiding philosophy of the state was Actual Idealism (Neo-Hegelianism). Being an outgrowth of Sorelian Syndicalism, (which itself was an outgrowth from Marxist socialism), its idea was that society would be consolidated (i.e., incorporated) into syndicates (in the Italian context, fascio/fasci) which would be regulated by and serve as organs for the State, or "embody" the State (corpus = body). The purpose was the centralization and synchronization of society under the State, as an end unto itself. To quote Mussolini's infamous aphorism: "All within the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State." As finalized by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile ("the Doctrine of Fascism"), Fascism came from the belief that the "Stateless and Classless society" Communism calls for after its "dictatorship of the proletariat" cannot be achieved, and that only the State can properly organize a socialist society. Therefore, Fascism cared about unity in a strong central government with society being brought together by syndicalist organizations obedient to the State. [01] "La Dottrina Del Fascismo / the Doctrine of Fascism", by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile [02] "Che cosa è il Fascismo: Discorsi e polemiche / Origins and Doctrine of Fascism", by Giovanni Gentile [03] "the Philosophy of Fascism", by Mario Palmieri [04] "Fascism: An Informal Introduction to Its Theory and Practice", by Renzo De Felice [05] "Mussolini's Intellectuals", by A. James Gregor [06] "La Camera dei Fasci e delle Corporazioni", by Rabaglietti Giuseppe & Sergio Panunzio [07] "Teoria generale dello Stato Fascista", by Sergio Panunzio [08] "The Birth of Fascist Ideology" by Zeev Sternhell [09] Any work from Emilio Gentile
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  40. Trump has nothing to do with Fascism whatsoever. Get some help for your TDS.
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  41. "Emphasize what it says about inequality. Right wing ideology is based on natural social hierarchy which is all about natural inequality. Try to make the right winger to admit that they want to increase inequality." Right wing is about equality of opportunities, as people on the Right believe that the best outcome for society is achieved when individual rights and civil liberties are paramount (individualism) and the role — and especially the power — of the government is minimized. Inequality is only a glorified word for Authoritarianism and curb stomping freedoms and liberties.
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  42. "No helping the weak. " There is a difference between people voluntarily helping the weak and government forcing people to help at the point of a gun.
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  43. " No wealth distribution that takes away wealth from the rich.." Because that is called stealing, and it is morally wrong.
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  44. "And at the end of that road is always social darwinism and eugenics. " Those are Left wing traits as eugenics specifically is tied to Collectivism and is the only way to achieve "perfect equality" as it allows people to bypass the "natural inequality" inherent in nature (biological deficiencies).
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  45.  @squidcaps4308  " For you that kind of "stealing" is more wrong than letting people die from hunger ... And in your head letting people die from hunger and cold is ok?" I highly doubt people would just randomly let people die from hunger as even now we have religious organizations and non-profits helping people in general. Also are you suggesting that you would let them die? If not, then why do you assume that everyone else would? or is this the classic "I don't want people to die from hunger and cold but don't you dare to touch my food or come to my house"?
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  46.  @squidcaps4308  "You value wealth over humans." Nope. I value freedom, voluntarism and right to property over stealing.
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  47.  @squidcaps4308  "that we all have decent housing" Housing wouldn't be a problem if the government wouldn't put so many restrictions on it for example.
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  48.  @squidcaps4308  "good quality food," Farming is a job for many. If you don't know how to grow food for yourself then naturally you have to outsource your lack of self-sufficiency to someone else, who will grow the food for you... just don't assume that work to be free.
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  49.  @squidcaps4308  "good quality healthcare, " Can only be achieved in the private sector.
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  50.  @squidcaps4308  "free education " Nothing is free. Someone has to pay the wages of those teachers and in order to have some quality education, it is also only achievable within the private sector.
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  51. Except Fascism wasn't anti-socialism nor did they reject economic principles based on socialist frameworks. They specifically embraced them. Fascism was a totalitarian far-left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on National Syndicalism which they adapted from a French Marxist, known as Georges Sorel. It rejected individualism, capitalism, liberalism, democracy, and marxist interpretation of socialism ("class warfare"). Instead, it advocated for class collaboration where the means of production was organized by national worker syndicals (i.e. trade unions / Fascist Corporatism), and the guiding philosophy of the state was Actual Idealism (Neo-Hegelianism). Being an outgrowth of Sorelian Syndicalism, (which itself was an outgrowth from Marxist socialism), its idea was that society would be consolidated (i.e., incorporated) into syndicates (in the Italian context, fascio/fasci) which would be regulated by and serve as organs for the State, or "embody" the State (corpus = body). The purpose was the centralization and synchronization of society under the State, as an end unto itself. To quote Mussolini's infamous aphorism: "All within the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State." As finalized by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile ("the Doctrine of Fascism"), Fascism came from the belief that the "Stateless and Classless society" Communism calls for after its "dictatorship of the proletariat" cannot be achieved, and that only the State can properly organize a socialist society. Therefore, Fascism cared about unity in a strong central government with society being brought together by syndicalist organizations obedient to the State. [01] "La Dottrina Del Fascismo / the Doctrine of Fascism", by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile [02] "Che cosa è il Fascismo: Discorsi e polemiche / Origins and Doctrine of Fascism", by Giovanni Gentile [03] "the Philosophy of Fascism", by Mario Palmieri [04] "Fascism: An Informal Introduction to Its Theory and Practice", by Renzo De Felice [05] "Mussolini's Intellectuals", by A. James Gregor [06] "La Camera dei Fasci e delle Corporazioni", by Rabaglietti Giuseppe & Sergio Panunzio [07] "Teoria generale dello Stato Fascista", by Sergio Panunzio [08] "The Birth of Fascist Ideology" by Zeev Sternhell [09] Any work from Emilio Gentile
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  52. H wasn't a Fascist though. He was a National Socialist.
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  53. All of these points can be applied to almost every totalitarian and dictatorial regime. None of them are unique to Fascism nor its defining traits.
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  54. Trump has nothing to do with Fascism whatsoever.
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  55. You have no clue what Fascism was nor what it represented.
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  56.  @seban678  : There is no such thing as "ur-fascism". It doesn't exist, and Trump has nothing to do with Fascism whatsoever. Get some help for your TDS.
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  57.  @seban678  It's an useless essay about a thing which doesn't exist. Eco's points are so generic that they can be applied to almost every totalitarian and dictatorial regime.
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  58. Nope.
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  59. Wrong. You cannot have Capitalism with Socialism in the first place, and Fascism was a socialist ideology and strictly anti-capitalist.
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  60. Trump has nothing to do with Fascism whatsoever and that is not exactly the definition of Fascism either. Fascism was a totalitarian far-left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on National Syndicalism which they adapted from a French Marxist, known as Georges Sorel. It rejected individualism, capitalism, liberalism, democracy, and marxist interpretation of socialism ("class warfare"). Instead, it advocated for class collaboration where the means of production was organized by national worker syndicals (i.e. trade unions / Fascist Corporatism), and the guiding philosophy of the state was Actual Idealism (Neo-Hegelianism). Being an outgrowth of Sorelian Syndicalism, (which itself was an outgrowth from Marxist socialism), its idea was that society would be consolidated (i.e., incorporated) into syndicates (in the Italian context, fascio/fasci) which would be regulated by and serve as organs for the State, or "embody" the State (corpus = body). The purpose was the centralization and synchronization of society under the State, as an end unto itself. To quote Mussolini's infamous aphorism: "All within the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State." As finalized by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile ("the Doctrine of Fascism"), Fascism came from the belief that the "Stateless and Classless society" Communism calls for after its "dictatorship of the proletariat" cannot be achieved, and that only the State can properly organize a socialist society. Therefore, Fascism cared about unity in a strong central government with society being brought together by syndicalist organizations obedient to the State. [01] "La Dottrina Del Fascismo / the Doctrine of Fascism", by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile [02] "Che cosa è il Fascismo: Discorsi e polemiche / Origins and Doctrine of Fascism", by Giovanni Gentile [03] "the Philosophy of Fascism", by Mario Palmieri [04] "Fascism: An Informal Introduction to Its Theory and Practice", by Renzo De Felice [05] "Mussolini's Intellectuals", by A. James Gregor [06] "La Camera dei Fasci e delle Corporazioni", by Rabaglietti Giuseppe & Sergio Panunzio [07] "Teoria generale dello Stato Fascista", by Sergio Panunzio [08] "The Birth of Fascist Ideology" by Zeev Sternhell [09] Any work from Emilio Gentile
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  61. There is no Fascism in your country whatsoever.
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  62.  @Javdoc  : Wrong. Here is what constitutes as Fascism; it was a totalitarian far-left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on National Syndicalism which they adapted from a French Marxist, known as Georges Sorel. It rejected individualism, capitalism, liberalism, democracy, and marxist interpretation of socialism ("class warfare"). Instead, it advocated for class collaboration where the means of production was organized by national worker syndicals (i.e. trade unions / Fascist Corporatism), and the guiding philosophy of the state was Actual Idealism (Neo-Hegelianism). Being an outgrowth of Sorelian Syndicalism, (which itself was an outgrowth from Marxist socialism), its idea was that society would be consolidated (i.e., incorporated) into syndicates (in the Italian context, fascio/fasci) which would be regulated by and serve as organs for the State, or "embody" the State (corpus = body). The purpose was the centralization and synchronization of society under the State, as an end unto itself. To quote Mussolini's infamous aphorism: "All within the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State." As finalized by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile ("the Doctrine of Fascism"), Fascism came from the belief that the "Stateless and Classless society" Communism calls for after its "dictatorship of the proletariat" cannot be achieved, and that only the State can properly organize a socialist society. Therefore, Fascism cared about unity in a strong central government with society being brought together by syndicalist organizations obedient to the State. [01] "La Dottrina Del Fascismo / the Doctrine of Fascism", by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile [02] "Che cosa è il Fascismo: Discorsi e polemiche / Origins and Doctrine of Fascism", by Giovanni Gentile [03] "the Philosophy of Fascism", by Mario Palmieri [04] "Fascism: An Informal Introduction to Its Theory and Practice", by Renzo De Felice [05] "Mussolini's Intellectuals", by A. James Gregor [06] "La Camera dei Fasci e delle Corporazioni", by Rabaglietti Giuseppe & Sergio Panunzio [07] "Teoria generale dello Stato Fascista", by Sergio Panunzio [08] "The Birth of Fascist Ideology" by Zeev Sternhell [09] Any work from Emilio Gentile
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  63.  @Javdoc  : Laurence Britt and Umberto Eco share the same problem; their "list" consists of generic traits that are shared by almost every totalitarian and dictatorial regime, and none of them are unique to the Fascist ideology. Therefore their list is more about generic traits of Totalitarian and Dictatorial regimes than Fascism.
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  64.  @HTHAMMACK1  You have no clue what Fascism was and what it represented. Get some help for your TDS.
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  65. Eco’s characteristics are useless as not only they have very little to do with Fascism but also they are so generic, that they can be applied to almost every totalitarian and dictatorial regime. None of them are unique to Fascism, which was a very specific Italian political ideology based on Revolutionary (National) Syndicalism and Neo-Hegelian philosophy.
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  66. Wrong. That Wiki copy/paste has nothing to do with the definition of Fascism, and Fascism had nothing to do with Right wing of any kind whatsoever. It was a totalitarian far-left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on National Syndicalism which they adapted from a French Marxist, known as Georges Sorel. It rejected individualism, capitalism, liberalism, democracy, and marxist interpretation of socialism ("class warfare"). Instead, it advocated for class collaboration where the means of production was organized by national worker syndicals (i.e. trade unions / Fascist Corporatism), and the guiding philosophy of the state was Actual Idealism (Neo-Hegelianism). Being an outgrowth of Sorelian Syndicalism, (which itself was an outgrowth from Marxist socialism), its idea was that society would be consolidated (i.e., incorporated) into syndicates (in the Italian context, fascio/fasci) which would be regulated by and serve as organs for the State, or "embody" the State (corpus = body). The purpose was the centralization and synchronization of society under the State, as an end unto itself. To quote Mussolini's infamous aphorism: "All within the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State." As finalized by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile ("the Doctrine of Fascism"), Fascism came from the belief that the "Stateless and Classless society" Communism calls for after its "dictatorship of the proletariat" cannot be achieved, and that only the State can properly organize a socialist society. Therefore, Fascism cared about unity in a strong central government with society being brought together by syndicalist organizations obedient to the State. [01] "La Dottrina Del Fascismo / the Doctrine of Fascism", by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile [02] "Che cosa è il Fascismo: Discorsi e polemiche / Origins and Doctrine of Fascism", by Giovanni Gentile [03] "the Philosophy of Fascism", by Mario Palmieri [04] "Fascism: An Informal Introduction to Its Theory and Practice", by Renzo De Felice [05] "Mussolini's Intellectuals", by A. James Gregor [06] "La Camera dei Fasci e delle Corporazioni", by Rabaglietti Giuseppe & Sergio Panunzio [07] "Teoria generale dello Stato Fascista", by Sergio Panunzio [08] "The Birth of Fascist Ideology" by Zeev Sternhell [09] Any work from Emilio Gentile
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  67. Corporatism doesn't mean what you think it means.
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  68.  @MarvinMonroe  : That is correct. Corporatism ("corporativismo" in Italian) was one of the cornerstone principles in Mussolini's fascism, and had to do with the way society and the economy would be organized, with state power at the head of a system of nationalized syndicates ("corporazione") representing each major industry. Mussolini's corporatist view stressed total state power over businesses as much as over individuals, via these governing industry bodies controlled by the Fascist party, in which businesses retained the responsibilities of property, but few if any of the freedoms.
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  69.  @OGShively  : They have many actually, the most notable being Giovanni Gentile.
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  70.  @Philbert-s2c  : Nope.
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  71. "One could argue that Mussolini's Fascism and Hitler's Fascism were different, yet they are both considered Fascists." They were different because Mussolini's Fascism and Hitler's NATIONAL SOCIALISM were two fundamentally different ideologies. Only Mussolini is considered to be a Fascist.
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  72.  @utha2665  "both are indeed branches of the broader fascist ideology." No, they were not. Fascism was Fascism, National Socialism was National Socialism. Both were branches of 3rd positionism.
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  73.  @utha2665  "Thanks for highlighting how Nazism is a specific form of fascism." It wasn't. Nazism had nothing to do with Fascism nor was it a Neo-Fascist movement.
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  74.  @utha2665  "both fall under the broader umbrella of fascism" There is no such umbrella. Fascism was a very specific Italian ideology. The word you are looking for is 3rd positionism.
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  75.  @utha2665  "it's clear that they share significant fascist traits: authoritarianism, ultranationalism, and suppression of opposition." That is not a Fascist trait. That is how every totalitarian and dictatorial regime has operated.
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  76.  @utha2665  "that they both fall under the broader category of fascist ideologies." There is no such category as Fascism again, refers to a very specific Italian ideology.
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  77.  @utha2665  "The core principles they share align more closely with fascism than any other political ideology." The core principles you are referring to are shared by every single totalitarian and dictatorial regime, and none of those principles are unique to Fascism.
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  78. Those have very little to do with Fascism, as those are generic points which can be applied to almost every totalitarian and dictatorial regime. None of them are unique to Fascism.
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  79. ""Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." Benito Mussolini" Except Mussolini has never said such a thing. Common misquote, created by Adam McKay. There was no merger, there was only State power and Corporatism was how they handled their socialist Command economy.
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  80. Hitler wasn't a Fascist though. He was National Socialist. Two different ideologies.
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  81. Wrong definition (Wiki is not a credible source) as Fascism had nothing to do with Right wing of any kind whatsoever. Fascism was a totalitarian far-left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on National Syndicalism which they adapted from a French Marxist, known as Georges Sorel. It rejected individualism, capitalism, liberalism, democracy, and marxist interpretation of socialism ("class warfare"). Instead, it advocated for class collaboration where the means of production was organized by national worker syndicals (i.e. trade unions / Fascist Corporatism), and the guiding philosophy of the state was Actual Idealism (Neo-Hegelianism). Being an outgrowth of Sorelian Syndicalism, (which itself was an outgrowth from Marxist socialism), its idea was that society would be consolidated (i.e., incorporated) into syndicates (in the Italian context, fascio/fasci) which would be regulated by and serve as organs for the State, or "embody" the State (corpus = body). The purpose was the centralization and synchronization of society under the State, as an end unto itself. To quote Mussolini's infamous aphorism: "All within the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State." As finalized by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile ("the Doctrine of Fascism"), Fascism came from the belief that the "Stateless and Classless society" Communism calls for after its "dictatorship of the proletariat" cannot be achieved, and that only the State can properly organize a socialist society. Therefore, Fascism cared about unity in a strong central government with society being brought together by syndicalist organizations obedient to the State. [01] "La Dottrina Del Fascismo / the Doctrine of Fascism", by Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile [02] "Che cosa è il Fascismo: Discorsi e polemiche / Origins and Doctrine of Fascism", by Giovanni Gentile [03] "the Philosophy of Fascism", by Mario Palmieri [04] "Fascism: An Informal Introduction to Its Theory and Practice", by Renzo De Felice [05] "Mussolini's Intellectuals", by A. James Gregor [06] "La Camera dei Fasci e delle Corporazioni", by Rabaglietti Giuseppe & Sergio Panunzio [07] "Teoria generale dello Stato Fascista", by Sergio Panunzio [08] "The Birth of Fascist Ideology" by Zeev Sternhell [09] Any work from Emilio Gentile
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  82.  @stephanel4770  : Only a specific anonymous elite can edit Wiki articles nowadays... and we don't need Wiki in the first place as we have actual books.
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  83. He has nothing to do with Fascism whatsoever. Go read some history since you have no clue what Fascism is and get some help for your TDS.
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  84. "but people who are socialist, and don't succeed in installing socialism, are still socialist" .... yet these people still keep denying that Hitler was a socialist for example.
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  85. "to play cover for rising fascism, and stomp out rising socialism" There is no Fascism rising anywhere, and Fascism was also a socialist ideology and a rival to Marxism.
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  86. Fascism had nothing to do with Capitalism whatsoever. In fact, Fascism was strictly anti-capitalist ideology... and Totalitarian instead of Authoritarian.
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  87. Trump has nothing to do with Fascism whatsoever. He is not a socialist. He is not advocating for National Syndicalism. He is not advocating for Neo-Hegelianism.
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  88.  @andreaspinosi3635  : Nope. Trump has nothing to do with Fascism whatsoever.
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  89.  @RealBradMiller  "That's odd, he matches the definition perfectly. " Nope. He doesn't as again, He is not a socialist. He is not advocating for National Syndicalism. He is not advocating for Neo-Hegelianism.
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