Comments by "Historia, Magistra Vitae" (@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.) on "Fascism vs Christian Nationalism: Is There A Difference?" video.

"Christianity is inherently fascistic; nationalist, statist, capitalist." Wrong. None of those things have anything to do with christianity. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Fasc ism is a rebra nding of neol iberali sm for il litera tes. " Wrong. Fasci sm is the com plete oppo site of ne olibera lism. It was a soci ali st ideo logy.
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@madprole5361 : You need to co pe hard er than that.
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Interestingly enough, Martin never used the word 'soci alist" in this poem. The first paragraph doesn't exist.
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@edcarlson6229 "I read your comment and looked up the original poem (for lack of a better word) and it indeed starts with the line about socialists." Actually it starts with the Communists, and doesn't mention socialists at all. According to wiki: "Niemöller is quoted as having used many versions of the text during his career, but evidence identified by professor Harold Marcuse at the University of California Santa Barbara indicates that the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum version is inaccurate because Niemöller frequently used the word "communists" and not "socialists."[1] The substitution of "socialists" for "communists" is an effect of anti-communism, and most common in the version that has proliferated in the United States. According to Marcuse, "Niemöller's original argument was premised on naming groups he and his audience would instinctively not care about. The omission of Communists in Washington, and of Jews in Germany, distorts that meaning and should be corrected."[1]
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"There are different flavors of Fasc ism." No. There is just one flavor of Fasc ism, and that is the Mussolini's version.
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" you have two very different types of fas cists. " No. Hitler wasn't a fasc ist and nazi sm wasn't fascis m. It was National Social ism.
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" and Social Nationalists are not Soci alists." Wrong. They were socia lists by definition.
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@dribrom "That is a very common misconception." Wrong. It is not. This is basic W W2 history.
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@dribrom "But if you read Mein Kampf there is no drought that Hi tler was a Fas cist. " Wrong. Hit ler literally criticizes Mussolini's fasc ism in his Mein Kampf. Both Hitler and Mussolini made it very clear, that Naz ism is National Soc ialism and Fasc ism is Fascis m. They were two completely separate ideologies. Goebbels was even more vocal about it. "One might say that Fas cism has reacted upon the creative life of the Italian people somewhat like sterili zation. It is, after all, nothing like National Soc ialism. While the latter goes down to the roots, Fasc ism is only a superficial thing. That is regrettable, but one must recognize it clearly. National Soci alism is really a way of life." — Dr. Joseph Goebbels, The Goebbels Diaries
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@dribrom "His explanation in that book of what national soci alism was explains how he wanted to rebrand socialism to mean fasc ism." Wrong. Hit ler has never called his ideology as fasc ism nor himself as a fas cist. He made it very clear why their ideology was called National Soci alism. "At the founding of this Movement we formed the decision that we would give expression to this idea of ours of the identity of the two conceptions: despite all warnings, on the basis of what we had come to believe, on the basis of the sincerity of our will, we christened it "National Soc ialist.' We said to ourselves that to be 'national' means above everything to act with a boundless and all-embracing love for the people and, if necessary, even to die for it. And similarly to be 'social' means so to build up the state and the community of the people that every individual acts in the interest of the community of the people and must be to such an extent convinced of the goodness, of the honorable straightforwardness of this community of the people as to be ready to die for it.“ — Adolf Hi tler , Munich - Speech of April 12, 1922
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@dribrom "That is pure fasc ism." No. That is soc ialism and totalitarianism. While fasc ism also had those two, it was a completely separate ideology.
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@dribrom "Even if he doesn't use the word fas cism himself in the book he list all the criteria for being a fas cist." No. Again, Hit ler and Nazi sm had nothing to do with fas cism whatsoever. Fasc ism was Mussolini's ideology, practiced in Italy. Two completely different things.
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@dribrom "To describe what fasc ism is in the most simple way is when the government or a political party demand that everyone has to be extremely nationalistic or they will be punched." That is what totalitarianism is, which is not unique to fasc ism. Fa scism was also based on synd icalism, statism and Hegelian philosophy. Fasc ism rejected individualism, capitalism, liberalism/democracy, and mar xism. The means of production was organized by national worker syndicals (i.e. trade unions), and the guiding philosophy of the state was Actual Idealism.
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@dribrom "So when Hitl er calls Ma rxism for Je wery (meaning: behaving like a Je w. A slur the N AZI used.) and a nightmare the Jew ish people has cursed the German nation with, he doesn't reject Marxi sm? " When it comes to Na zism and Hitl er, they opposed both capitalism and bolsh evism/commu nism/ma rxism because they supposedly were "Jew ish ploys" to take over Germany. Which is why Nazi sm (and Fasc ism) are classified as "3rd position" movements. Hi tler however had an interesting relationship with marx ism, after all, he was a ma rxist back in the 1919 for a brief time. "I have learned a great deal from Marxi sm as I do not hesitate to admit… The difference between them and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun. The whole of National Socia lism is based on it… National Soci alism is what Marx ism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with a democratic order.“ — Adolf Hi tler , Hit ler Speaks (1940), p. 186
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@dribrom "Hit ler fits right into your definition of fa scism." No. Hitl er had his own ideology, National Soci alism. He doesn't fit into fas cism since he isn't a syndicalist nor does he follow Hegelian philosophy. Also race was more important to Hitler than the nation, while it was the other way around in fas cism.
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"Neoliberalism (and similar polecon) is the fuel and precursor, necessary precursor, to rise of fasci sm." Wrong. Neoliberalism and fas cism are two completely opposite ideologies, and they are enemies.
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"fasc ism arose in the christian environment from day one " Wrong. Fas cism had nothing to do with christ ianity and Mussolini himself was rather anti-religion.
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"the christian god is fasc ist dicta tor " Wrong. That is not how these words work.
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Fas cism had nothing to do with christianity whatsoever. Mussolini wasn't religious.
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Wrong. They are two completely different things.
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@bjornlangoren3002 : Fasc ism was a totalitarian far-left, soci alist ideology based on national syndicalism. Meanwhile something called "christian nationalism" would be just some kind of theocracy. While both are collectivist ideologies, they are fundamentally different. Fasc ism was an ti-religious movement for example.
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@VeggiesOutFront : All of those points apply to every totalitarian and dictatorial regime, including US SR, North Korea, Ch ina etc. If every regime is "fas cist", then nobody is.
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@VeggiesOutFront "I think you're conflating things here a little bit though. " I meant that those "14 characteristics" you mentioned in your original post, aren't characteristics of fascis m, but characteristics of totalit arian/dictato rial regimes.
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@VeggiesOutFront "now you're conflating dictatorship and auth oritarian" No. I'm not even talking about autho ritarianism. I'm talking about totalita rianism and dictator ship.
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@VeggiesOutFront "Fasc ism does not equal totalitarian and totalitarian does not equal dictatorship" Fasci sm was a totalitarian ideology. Dictatorship also necessitates totalitarianism.
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