Comments by "Historia, Magistra Vitae" (@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.) on "Italian Neo-Fascist Party Wins Big" video.
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@07Flash11MRC : As I said, you do not understand the ideology and that is the problem here. Fa sc is m opposed liberal capitalism, but also international so ci alis m, hence the concept of a “third way,” their centralized economic policies obeyed collectivist and so ci ali st principles, openly opposing cap itali sm and the free market, favoring nat iona lism and aut archy. According to the father of fa scis m, Giov anni Gen tile, their ideology was a form of so ci alis m, sta tis m and ex tre me co lle ctivi sm. Hence, fa r-le ft ideology.
"It is necessary to distinguish between so cia lis m and so cial is m—in fact, between idea and idea of the same so ci alis t conception, in order to distinguish among them those that are inimical to F as cis m. It is well known that Sorellian sy ndica lism, out of which the thought and the political method of Fa sc is m emerged—conceived itself the genuine interpretation of Ma rxi st com mu nis m. The dynamic conception of history, in which force as violence functions as an essential, is of unquestioned Ma rxi st origin. Those notions flowed into other currents of contemporary thought, that have themselves, via alternative routes, arrived at a vindication of the form of S tat e—implacable, but absolutely rational—that finds historic necessity in the very spiritual dynamism through which it realizes itself.“
— Giovanni Gentile, Che cosa è il fas cis mo: Discorsi e polemiche (“What is Fa scis m?”), Florence: Vallecchi, (1925) pp. 42-45, 47-48, 49-51, 56,Origins and Doctrine of Fa sci sm, A. James Gregor, translator and editor, Transaction Publishers, 2003, p. 59
"Some still ask of us: what do you want? We answer with three words that summon up our entire program. Here they are…Italy, Republic, Soc ializa tion... Soc ializa tion is no other than the implantation of Italian So cia li sm…“
— Benito Mus soli ni, Speech given by Mu ssol ini to a group of Milanese Fa sci st veterans (October 14, 1944), quoted in Revolutionary F asc is m, Erik Norling, Lisbon, Finis Mundi Press (2011) pp.119-120. 1940s
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@rschloch : I find it interesting when it comes to Mu ssol ini and Ad olf, usually lef tist amu rica ns go face first into bi ase d sources and different dictionaries while both had their manifestos and autobiographies and doctrines where they clearly explain their world view and ideology. But alas, when it comes to someone like Ma rx and Eng els, their writings are solid gold, can be taken at face value and are beyond critique.
So no, it doesn't depend on whose defining the meaning. As I said, it is not up to us to define their ideology when they were perfectly capable doing it themselves hence they wrote manifestos for crying out loud. "Dictionary" definitions don't typically confine fa sc is m to Mu sso lini because it's easier to spread propaganda this way, when you can lump almost everyone under the same name given the proper circumstances. That way they don't have to explain why someone like Ad o lf constantly considered himself a so cia li st, nor why Musso lini also did the same.
So yes, you are reaching if you try to argue that the meaning of fas cis m isn’t strictly confined to Mu sso lini and Italy, since nobody else followed 'the doctrine of fa scis m" or the writings of Giov anni Gen tile, who came up with the ideology in the first place for Mu ssol ini to put into action.
Both fas cis m and na zis m were clearly far le ft-win g, soc iali st regimes. Both ideologies opposed liberal cap italis m, but also international soc iali sm, hence the concept of a “third way,” their centralized economic policies obeyed collectivist and so cial ist principles, openly opposing capi tali sm and the free market, favoring nationalism and autarchy.
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