Comments by "Historia, Magistra Vitae" (@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.) on "Would America Be Better Under Communism? | Middle Ground" video.

  1.  @agustincarrizales4719  " i know you know Jeff bezos does not work 300x harder than his employees" That is because he doesn't need to, anymore. He did the work back in the day, got himself established, people liked it and threw money at him, so that he could hire more workers and expand his business ... and the business got so big that he doesn't physically need to do the work anymore.
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  2.  @veryfinan5187  "as socialism means an overall arrangement of the economy that is directed by the state to serve the worker majority. " Socialism has nothing to do with workers specifically. That is Marxism. Socialism is an economic system where the collective (such as workers, guilds, the government etc.) either directly own or control the buildings and tools that make goods and services like farms and factories. This can be achieved through decentralized and direct worker-ownership, or through centralized state-ownership or control of the means of production.
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  3. Well they kind have ... just look their pandemic policies. It's quite free to just weld people's doors shut to quarantine them.
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  4. No society is under Capitalism currently. Almost everyone has a mixed economy system.
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  5.  @Puggy42069  "America is still Very much capitalist." No. America also has a mixed economy system.
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  6. "Treating workers as property" Not a thing in Capitalism. Is a thing in State socialism and collectivism in general.
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  7.  @theophilus333  "Gee I wonder if the US embargo has anything to do with it" Not really. Barely affects the locals, unlike their internal socialist restrictions.
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  8. ​ @Domedwho  "and not do it at the expense of others." Of course they will do it at the expense of others. After all, in socialism and communism you are part of the collective and have to do exactly what the collective needs and tells you to do.
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  9.  @Domedwho  "Its hard to come to terms with the fact that the workers would have the means to create opportunities and business" They already have. It's called entrepreneurship.
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  10. Wrong. It wasn't.
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  11. The embargo doesn't even affect local citizens... and what does having the most powerful military in the world surrounding the island got to do with the government sucking inside the island? It's not like the military tries to invade them or something. If fact, the military does nothing, and is no threat unless threatened.
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  12. "The u.s. government is the epitome of capitalism," Wrong. America has a mixed economy system ... which is not Capitalism actually.
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  13. Wrong. Government makes monopolies. Capitalism has free market.
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  14.  @xwrtk  "We have workers with disabilities making slave wages like under $2 an hour. " Are they physically forced to work such jobs at the point of a gun?
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  15. "China is state capitalism, " Wrong. Such a thing doesn't exist and by definition is an oxymoron. China is still socialist.
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  16.  @asamanthinketh1937  : I said socialist, not Marxist.
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  17.  @asamanthinketh1937  : Socialism is an economic system where the collective (such as workers, guilds, the government etc.) either directly own or control the buildings and tools that make goods and services like farms and factories. This can be achieved through decentralized and direct worker-ownership, or through centralized state-ownership or control of the means of production. China has the latter.
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  18. "Capitalism is a system of expansion. It will always seek new markets at the cheapest cost, even if the price is human lives." You cannot expand if you have no money and in order to have money, you need to have a well established customer base. Not sure what human lives has to do with this, since nobody can be forced to work for businesses ... only government can do that, which it will certainly do under socialism.
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  19. "Capitalism seeks to envelope all profitable aspects of human life, which is why corporate control of the government, global resource exploitation, and imperialist proxy wars are so prevalent in today's society." And that is a government problem, not a problem within the capitalist economic system.
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  20.  @thelorecouncil1708  : Without Musk, those people would be unemployed most likely. Places to work, is what Musk contributes.
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  21.  @DarrenSmith-j8m  : It would certainly be easier, especially for Americans, to just move to Cuba, if you are into socialism.
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  22.  @Puggy42069  "Just because it has a tax payer funded military and police force along with a handful of other public services does not diminish the fact it is Capitalist." Also the government regulates the Market, which makes it a mixed economy system and not that much different from what we have here in Europe.
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  23.  @Puggy42069  "Again, just because America has some public entities does not make it not Capitalist." Yes it does, and also then the government interferes with the market. By definition, mixed economies typically maintain private ownership of most of the means of production, with the government intervening through regulations and also socialize select industries that are deemed essential or that produce public goods.
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  24.  @Puggy42069  "That’s like saying any society with a government is mixed because it has a central government or post office." Because they are. Almost all known historical and modern economies are examples of mixed economies.
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  25.  @Puggy42069  " Unless the means of production are owned by the workers, " That would be Marxism.
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  26.  @Puggy42069  "America is unequivocally Capitalist." Wrong. Even according to Investopedia, America has a mixed economy system. "the United States is a mixed economy, as it leaves ownership of the means of production in mostly private hands but incorporates elements such as subsidies for agriculture, regulation on manufacturing, and partial or full public ownership of some industries like letter delivery and national defense."
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  27.  @Hunterchuck  "for their master that owns the means of production that benefits from their labor." Anyone can own the means of production under Capitalism, and become an entrepreneur.
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  28.  @veryfinan5187  : Wrong. That is Marxism.
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  29. "Isn't that a core tenet of communism?" It is the core tenet of Marxism, which in theory will lead to Communism (a stateless and classless society).
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  30. "and paying them as little as possible/not at all is 100% capitalism." Nobody is forced to sign such a job contract. If the pay is not sufficient, people can find other jobs or even become and entrepreneur.
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  31.  @Hunterchuck  Maybe it has something to do with the fact that you do not need to use force and threaten people to buy things and own things ... but you need to to use force and violence to take things away from them, like private property and the means of production.
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  32.  @mile_381  "like anarcho-capitalism" Nothing oxymoronic about it.
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  33.  @thelorecouncil1708  "Cuba lacking medical and food resources couldn't be a byproduct of the embargo by the giant country near them?" It is not.
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  34. "Socialism: means of production owned by the workers. Private property restricted and or abolished " That is actually the definition of Marxism. Socialism is an economic system where the collective (such as workers, guilds, the government etc.) either directly own or control the buildings and tools that make goods and services like farms and factories. This can be achieved through decentralized and direct worker-ownership, or through centralized state-ownership or control of the means of production.
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  35. It was more like a mixed economy vs socialism ... and there is no such thing as "state capitalism", which is an oxymoron.
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  36.  @magnusmunk2071  "So No ‘state capitalism’ is not oxymoronic. " Wrong. Capitalism is an economic system which works just fine without the involvement of a centralized government / entity. In fact, that is the only way it can work.
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  37.  @magnusmunk2071  "There can be ‘No mixed’ economy - its just capitalism with different levels of regulation" It is called mixed because it is not capitalism, due to the involvement of the State in the economy.
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  38.  @magnusmunk2071  "The point is, it is still capitalism." Wrong. It is a called a mixed economy for a reason. It is not what capitalism is about.
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  39.  @magnusmunk2071  "Where has capitalism ever existed without a state?" Capitalism hasn't existed anywhere yet, specifically because governments won't let the market to be free.
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  40.  @magnusmunk2071  "And in theory, what would capital owners do if there was no police or military to protect their property?" Hire security, just like they are doing now.
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  41.  @magnusmunk2071  "Also do you distinguish between 'state' and 'government'?" Here in Europe, they are used interchangeably.
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  42.  @magnusmunk2071  "So the biggest company would have the most firepower and then also a monopoly on violence ie. become a state?" That is not how monopoly works. You cannot have a monopoly under free market and the only way to be a "biggest company" in the first place would be if the consumers want it that way. I doubt they do.
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  43.  @magnusmunk2071  "What would prevent that company from using it's private military to assert dominance and just forcibly take over other companies?" Other people with guns.
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  44. "who absolutely refuse to believe that the US is a capitalist society " It isn't. America has a mixed economy, just like we Europeans do ... which you already said.
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  45. "but it’s pretty clear that the sphere of influence on US state is operatively and inherently capitalist. " No. What you are referring to, is called Corporatocracy and the problem is the government, not Capitalism.
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  46.  @theshakhrayist7649  "Capitalism without the state si called cartelism." No. It is called Anarcho-Capitalism.
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  47.  @theshakhrayist7649  : To healthy free market capitalism.
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  48. That is the only system that works, hun.
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  49.  @realSiRGRiFT  : The embargo doesn't affect medical stuff.
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  50.  @realSiRGRiFT  : Nope, not at all. Medical stuff are exempt.
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  51.  @saichanik  : Wrong. Both medicine and food have been off the Embargo since the year 2000 at the very least. Even Wiki states this. " In 2000, Clinton authorized the sale of food and humanitarian products to Cuba." "Since 2000, the embargo has explicitly excluded the acquisition of food and medicines." "Since the Trade Sanction Reform and Export Enhancement Act was enacted in 2000, the trade of food and medicine goods is excluded from the embargo."
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  52. "I feel like we need a wealth tax-funded UBI system." UBI doesn't work, and is inherently unsustainable.
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  53. Wrong. That is not how capitalism nor history works. Cope harder.
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  54. This position is better known as Minarchism, or the Night-watchman state.
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  55.  @jwally1434  : Congo doesn't even have Capitalism... they have a mixed economy system just like almost every country today.
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  56.  @JungWeezyBabay  "They argued for the pure theory of capitalism rather than its real world results and repercussions" The real world results and repercussions are due to a Mixed economy system the America has. Nothing to do with Capitalism, which America doesn't have.
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