Comments by "Historia, Magistra Vitae" (@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.) on "What Modern Socialists Don’t Want You To Know About Hitler" video.

He started out as a Marxist during 1919, yes.
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Both Hitler's National Socialism and Mussolini's Fascism, were socialist ideologies. Both of them came from the belief that the "Stateless and Classless society" Communism calls for after its "dictatorship of the proletariat" cannot be achieved, and that only the State can properly organize a socialist society.
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He was not what?
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@BassOutbreak "Name vs. Practice: The term "National Socialist" was partly chosen for its appeal to the working class and to counter the influence of the left-wing parties. " It had nothing to do with appeal. They chose the name because it represented what they were advocating for, that is, socialism on a national level instead of international. "The first three principles were clear, and they are inseparable from each other. Socialism as the final concept of duty, the ethical duty of work, not just for oneself but also for one’s fellow man’s sake, and above all the principle: Common good before own good, a struggle against all parasitism and especially against easy and unearned income. And we were aware that in this fight we can rely on no one but our own people. We are convinced that socialism in the right sense will only be possible in nations and races that are Aryan, and there in the first place we hope for our own people and are convinced that socialism is inseparable from nationalism. (Loud applause) To be nationalist does not mean for us to belong to one party or another, but to show with every action that one benefits the people; it means love for all the people without exception.From this point of view we will realize that it is necessary to preserve the most precious thing a people has, the sum of all active creative powers of its workers, to keep it healthy in body and soul.(Cheers) And this view of nationalism compels us to immediately form a front against its opposite, the Semitic conception of the idea of people (Volk), and especially against the Semitic concept of work. Since we are socialists, we must necessarily also be antisemites because we want to fight against the very opposite: materialism and mammonism. (Lively bravo!) And when today the Jew still runs into our factories and says: How can you be a socialist antisemite? Are not you ashamed? – there comes a time in which we will ask: How can you not be an antisemite, being a socialist! (Hear, hear) There comes a time when it will be obvious that socialism can only be carried out accompanied by nationalism and antisemitism. The three concepts are inseparably connected. They are the foundations of our program and therefore we call ourselves National Socialists. (Cheers)" — "Why We Are Anti-Semites" (August 15, 1920 speech in Munich at the Hofbräuhaus).
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Both Hitler's National Socialism and Mussolini's Fascism, were socialist ideologies. Both of them came from the belief that the "Stateless and Classless society" Communism calls for after its "dictatorship of the proletariat" cannot be achieved, and that only the State can properly organize a socialist society.
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"Hitler was not a socialist. " Wrong. By defintion and according to his own very words, he was. By definition, National Socialism was a totalitarian Far-Left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on ethnonationalism trying to supersede Marxism as the most common socialist ideology. They had nothing to do with Right wing of any kind. You cannot be an advocate for centralized planning and strong government controls without being a socialist. That's what made Hitler a socialist. He may have been to the right from the Bolsheviks, but he was still a socialist leftist as he believed in strong central government control. Hitler outright declared himself a socialist in Mein Kampf, just not the Marxist international or full Soviet type. He struggled with HOW to distinguish his socialism from the rest of the Marxist crowd.
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"He supported capitalists. " Wrong. He despised capitalists and capitalism in general, as he thought it was a "Jewish ploy".
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"Hitler was not a socialist. " Wrong. By definition, National Socialism was a totalitarian Far-Left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on ethnonationalism trying to supersede Marxism as the most common socialist ideology. They had nothing to do with Right wing of any kind. You cannot be an advocate for centralized planning and strong government controls without being a socialist. That's what made Hitler a socialist. He may have been to the right from the Bolsheviks, but he was still a socialist leftist as he believed in strong central government control. Hitler outright declared himself a socialist in Mein Kampf, just not the Marxist international or full Soviet type. He struggled with HOW to distinguish his socialism from the rest of the Marxist crowd.
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"Socialism is a mechanism by which the means of production are owned and maintained by the people. " To be more precise; Socialism is an economic system where the collective (such as workers, guilds, syndicates, unions, the government etc.) either directly own or control the buildings and tools that make goods and services like farms and factories. This can be achieved through decentralized and direct worker-ownership, or through centralized state-ownership or control of the means of production. Nazis had the latter.
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"Hitler was a FASCIST," Wrong. Hitler was a National Socialist, not a Fascist. Two different ideologies.
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"Both capitalism and socialist are bad" Wrong. There is nothing bad about Capitalism, which is just the result of free humans making voluntary exchanges with one another in the absence of outside coercion.
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Hitler was a National Socialist, not a Fascist. Also National Socialism was strictly anti-capitalist ideology.
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"I get that the word socialist is in the name they chose (for pr purposes) but that means nothing. " They chose the name because it represented what they were advocating for, that is, socialism on a national level instead of international. "The first three principles were clear, and they are inseparable from each other. Socialism as the final concept of duty, the ethical duty of work, not just for oneself but also for one’s fellow man’s sake, and above all the principle: Common good before own good, a struggle against all parasitism and especially against easy and unearned income. And we were aware that in this fight we can rely on no one but our own people. We are convinced that socialism in the right sense will only be possible in nations and races that are Aryan, and there in the first place we hope for our own people and are convinced that socialism is inseparable from nationalism. (Loud applause) To be nationalist does not mean for us to belong to one party or another, but to show with every action that one benefits the people; it means love for all the people without exception.From this point of view we will realize that it is necessary to preserve the most precious thing a people has, the sum of all active creative powers of its workers, to keep it healthy in body and soul.(Cheers) And this view of nationalism compels us to immediately form a front against its opposite, the Semitic conception of the idea of people (Volk), and especially against the Semitic concept of work. Since we are socialists, we must necessarily also be antisemites because we want to fight against the very opposite: materialism and mammonism. (Lively bravo!) And when today the Jew still runs into our factories and says: How can you be a socialist antisemite? Are not you ashamed? – there comes a time in which we will ask: How can you not be an antisemite, being a socialist! (Hear, hear) There comes a time when it will be obvious that socialism can only be carried out accompanied by nationalism and antisemitism. The three concepts are inseparably connected. They are the foundations of our program and therefore we call ourselves National Socialists. (Cheers)" — "Why We Are Anti-Semites" (August 15, 1920 speech in Munich at the Hofbräuhaus).
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"They violently opposed and persecuted Marxists, socialists, and communists with arrest and imprisonfment. " Moot point, as so did every single socialist one-party dictatorship. Rival socialists were always the first one to go.
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"Trade unions were shut down and independent labor movements replaced with the Nazi-controlled DAF, or German Labor Front. They outlawed strikes and collective bargaining." Hitler was simply imitating Lenin, who had earlier closed down all independent labor associations, factory committees and worker cooperatives, banned strikes, walkouts, and lockouts. Lenin even forced workers to work a slavish 80-hour week. After the Bolsheviks banned all labor unions, one unionist “described the unions as ‘living corpses.’” Any Russian worker who participated in general strikes was arrested, imprisoned or shot. Under Lenin’s regime, workers had no real representation or bargaining rights and were treated like industrial serfs who were chained to their factories. Although Hitler followed Lenin’s nationalizing craze, his treatment of workers did not mimic their Russian counterparts.
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@BassOutbreak "Crushed Left-Wing Movements: The Nazis violently suppressed communist and socialist parties in Germany, banning them and jailing or killing their leaders." This is a moot point considering every single socialist one-party dictatorship did this, to their socialist rivals. This includes the Bolshevik regime as well (the October Revolution, the Great Purge).
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@BassOutbreak "Economic Control: While there was state intervention in the economy, this was more aligned with fascism's corporatist model where businesses served the state's interests rather than being owned by the workers or the state for public welfare ... Class Collaboration: The Nazis promoted a Volksgemeinschaft (people's community) concept, which was about uniting all classes under German nationalism rather than class struggle or equality." You have indeed proven few times now, that National Socialism is not Marxism. However nobody has claimed that it was. Nazi Germany had a socialist Command economy which prioritized the needs of the nation/state in general, as it was the state which controlled the means of production and also decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid. How Nazi economy functioned, was almost identical to the USSR under Stalin.
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@BassOutbreak "and actions were fundamentally at odds with socialist principles as understood globally." Their actions were at odds with Marxism specifically, (not with socialism which doesn't have principles as it is an economic system, not an ideology). Hitler specifically mentioned multiple times, that he didn't consider Marxism to be "proper socialism" unlike his own ideology and movement, which supposedly was "proper socialism".
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By definition, National Soci alism was a totalitarian Far-Left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on ethnonationalism trying to supersede Marxism as the most common socialist ideology. You cannot be an advocate for centralized planning and strong government controls without being a socialist. That's what made Hitler a socia list. He may have been to the right from the Bolsheviks, but he was still a socialist leftist as he believed in strong central government control. Hitler outright declared himself a socialist in Mein Kampf, just not the Ma rxist international or full Soviet type. He struggled with HOW to distinguish his socialism from the rest of the Marxist crowd.
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"Hitler was no more a "Socialist" than The democratic republic of Korea (North Korea) is Democratic." Both statements are true. By definition, National Socialism was a totalitarian Far-Left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on ethnonationalism trying to supersede Marxism as the most common socialist ideology. They had nothing to do with Right wing of any kind. You cannot be an advocate for centralized planning and strong government controls without being a socialist. That's what made Hitler a socialist. He may have been to the right from the Bolsheviks, but he was still a socialist leftist as he believed in strong central government control. Hitler outright declared himself a socialist in Mein Kampf, just not the Marxist international or full Soviet type. He struggled with HOW to distinguish his socialism from the rest of the Marxist crowd. North Korea does have a democracy of sorts, it's just not a bipartisan representative democracy. There's a largely one party system with some outliers, voting on policy within that party, etc.
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"One of the main tenants of Socialism was worker (democratic) control over production." Wrong. That is the main tenet of Marxism, not socialism, which is an economic system where the collective (such as workers, guilds, syndicates, unions, the government etc.) either directly own or control the buildings and tools that make goods and services like farms and factories. This can be achieved through decentralized and direct worker-ownership, or through centralized state-ownership or control of the means of production. Nazis had the latter.
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@cattleherder1912 "Socialism is a political ideology and capitalism is a market system. Geez bro." Well actually both Socialism and Capitalism are economic systems.
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"So Hitler nationalized all important companies like every true socialist would do? Not quite." They did, and they even coined a word for it, "Gleichschaltung", a system of totalitarian control and coordination over all aspects of German society from the economy and trade associations to the media, culture and education. Also need to point out that Hitler's National Socialism had nothing to do with Mussolini's Fascism. Two different ideologies.
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"Back then it was a mere publicity stunt :" Wrong. Back then, it was the norm and majority of the people in Europe were socialists, including the National Socialists and Hitler himself.
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"Today, Right Wing People want you to think, Hitler was a left," Nothing to do with some random Right wing people. It is a historical fact, that Hitler was a Far-Left socialist. By definition, National Socialism was a totalitarian Far-Left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on ethnonationalism trying to supersede Marxism as the most common socialist ideology. They had nothing to do with Right wing of any kind. You cannot be an advocate for centralized planning and strong government controls without being a socialist. That's what made Hitler a socialist. He may have been to the right from the Bolsheviks, but he was still a socialist leftist as he believed in strong central government control. Hitler outright declared himself a socialist in Mein Kampf, just not the Marxist international or full Soviet type. He struggled with HOW to distinguish his socialism from the rest of the Marxist crowd.
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"But nationalsocialism still set Race above class, " True, because Nazism wasn't Marxism. They were two competing and rival socialist ideologies.
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By definition, National Socialism was a totalitarian Far-Left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on ethnonationalism trying to supersede Marxism as the most common socialist ideology. They had nothing to do with Right wing of any kind. You cannot be an advocate for centralized planning and strong government controls without being a socialist. That's what made Hitler a socialist. He may have been to the right from the Bolsheviks, but he was still a socialist leftist as he believed in strong central government control. Hitler outright declared himself a socialist in Mein Kampf, just not the Marxist international or full Soviet type. He struggled with HOW to distinguish his socialism from the rest of the Marxist crowd.
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They aren't Liberals tho.
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@unclientrandom5371 : Today's situation has nothing to do with Capitalism.
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@unclientrandom5371 "... it's litteraly the lack of Goverment control on Corporation caused by Capitalism." There is no such lack of control anywhere. Literally in every country, Governments are heavily regulating the Market and therefore businesses as well.
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@unclientrandom5371 " In turns, these companie's greed could slowly lower the wages of every worker going from a single income for a family to minimum 2 unless you have a very big income. " What has lowered the wages are all thanks to the Government; reckless spending causing inflation, higher taxation, flooding the job market with immigrants etc.
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@unclientrandom5371 : This has nothing to do with Capitalism whatsoever.
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Liberal doesn't mean what you think it means.
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"National socialist party only had socialist in his name. " They chose the name because it represented what they were advocating for, that is, socialism on a national level instead of international. "The first three principles were clear, and they are inseparable from each other. Socialism as the final concept of duty, the ethical duty of work, not just for oneself but also for one’s fellow man’s sake, and above all the principle: Common good before own good, a struggle against all parasitism and especially against easy and unearned income. And we were aware that in this fight we can rely on no one but our own people. We are convinced that socialism in the right sense will only be possible in nations and races that are Aryan, and there in the first place we hope for our own people and are convinced that socialism is inseparable from nationalism. (Loud applause) To be nationalist does not mean for us to belong to one party or another, but to show with every action that one benefits the people; it means love for all the people without exception.From this point of view we will realize that it is necessary to preserve the most precious thing a people has, the sum of all active creative powers of its workers, to keep it healthy in body and soul.(Cheers) And this view of nationalism compels us to immediately form a front against its opposite, the Semitic conception of the idea of people (Volk), and especially against the Semitic concept of work. Since we are socialists, we must necessarily also be antisemites because we want to fight against the very opposite: materialism and mammonism. (Lively bravo!) And when today the Jew still runs into our factories and says: How can you be a socialist antisemite? Are not you ashamed? – there comes a time in which we will ask: How can you not be an antisemite, being a socialist! (Hear, hear) There comes a time when it will be obvious that socialism can only be carried out accompanied by nationalism and antisemitism. The three concepts are inseparably connected. They are the foundations of our program and therefore we call ourselves National Socialists. (Cheers)" — "Why We Are Anti-Semites" (August 15, 1920 speech in Munich at the Hofbräuhaus).
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By definition, National Socialism was a totalitarian Far-Left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on ethnonationalism trying to supersede Marxism as the most common socialist ideology. They had nothing to do with Right wing of any kind. You cannot be an advocate for centralized planning and strong government controls without being a socialist. That's what made Hitler a socialist. He may have been to the right from the Bolsheviks, but he was still a socialist leftist as he believed in strong central government control. Hitler outright declared himself a socialist in Mein Kampf, just not the Marxist international or full Soviet type. He struggled with HOW to distinguish his socialism from the rest of the Marxist crowd.
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"The list goes on, but hopefully that's enough to see that they were not socialist." Wrong. By definition they were. National Socialism was a totalitarian Far-Left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on ethnonationalism trying to supersede Marxism as the most common socialist ideology. They had nothing to do with Right wing of any kind. You cannot be an advocate for centralized planning and strong government controls without being a socialist. That's what made Hitler a socialist. He may have been to the right from the Bolsheviks, but he was still a socialist leftist as he believed in strong central government control. Hitler outright declared himself a socialist in Mein Kampf, just not the Marxist international or full Soviet type. He struggled with HOW to distinguish his socialism from the rest of the Marxist crowd.
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"He was not a socialist...." Wrong. By definition and according to his own words, he was. National Soci alism was a totalitarian Far-Left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on ethnonationalism trying to supersede Marxism as the most common socialist ideology. They had nothing to do with Right wing of any kind. You cannot be an advocate for centralized planning and strong government controls without being a socialist. That's what made Hitler a socia list. He may have been to the right from the Bolsheviks, but he was still a socialist leftist as he believed in strong central government control. Hitler outright declared himself a socialist in Mein Kampf, just not the Ma rxist international or full Soviet type. He struggled with HOW to distinguish his socialism from the rest of the Marxist crowd.
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There are no "stages" in Fascism, which was a completely different ideology than Hitler's National Socialism.
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"I mean his obsession with race was not really left winged." Sure it was. Being obsessed about a specific Collective in-group and Collectivism in general, is the core part of Leftism. Meanwhile people on the Right believe that the best outcome for society is achieved when individual rights and civil liberties are paramount (individualism) and the role — and especially the power — of the government is minimized.
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"And very much a capitalist. " Wrong. Hitler was a self-proclaimed socialist and he explicitly despised Capitalism as he thought it was one of the "Jewish ploys" and had a "Jewish origins" (greed). By definition, National Socialism was a totalitarian Far-Left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on ethnonationalism trying to supersede Marxism as the most common socialist ideology. They had nothing to do with Right wing of any kind. You cannot be an advocate for centralized planning and strong government controls without being a socialist. That's what made Hitler a socialist. He may have been to the right from the Bolsheviks, but he was still a socialist leftist as he believed in strong central government control. Hitler outright declared himself a socialist in Mein Kampf, just not the Marxist international or full Soviet type. He struggled with HOW to distinguish his socialism from the rest of the Marxist crowd.
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Communism has nothing to do with the State as there is no State under Communism. According to Marx, it is supposed to be an anarchist society without the State, classes and money. Meanwhile Socialism is an economic system where the collective (such as workers, guilds, syndicates, unions, the government etc.) either directly own or control the buildings and tools that make goods and services like farms and factories. This can be achieved through decentralized and direct worker-ownership, or through centralized state-ownership or control of the means of production.
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