Comments by "Historia, Magistra Vitae" (@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.) on "Thom Hartmann Program"
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@blackwatchgroup9194 : Because for some reason they hated individu alism, for them it was a mark of selfishness. They wanted the Sta te to be and to provide everything a person needed in their life. They were hard core statists.
"Anti-individualistic, the Fas cist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with those of the State, which stands for the conscience and the universal, will of man as a historic entity. It is opposed to classical liber alism which arose as a reaction to absolutism and exhausted its historical function when the State became the expression of the conscience and will of the people. Liber alism denied the State in the name of the individual; Fasc ism reasserts The rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual. And if liberty is to he the attribute of living men and not of abstract dummies invented by individualistic liberalism, then Fas cism stands for liberty, and for the only liberty worth having, the liberty of the State and of the individual within the State. The Fas cist conception of the State is all embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fasc ism, is totalit arian, and the Fas cist State - a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values - interprets, develops, and potentates the whole life of a people."
- the Doctrine of Fas cism
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@joca6282 "Fascis m does not have any SOC IALISM one bit."
Wrong. They had a centralized government, centralized and planned economy, government controlling the means of production and also deciding what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid. Fasc ism opposed capitalism, but also international soci alism, hence the concept of a “third way,” their centralized economic policies obeyed collectivist and soci alist principles, openly opposing capitalism and the free market, favoring nationalism and autarchy.
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@joca6282 "FAS CISTS ARE NOT SOCIA LISTS."
Wrong. Fasci sm was an outgrowth of Sorellian Syndic alism, which itself was an outgrowth from Mar xist soc ialism. The idea was that society would be consolidated (i.e., incorporated) into syndicates (in the Italian context, fascio/fasci) which would be regulated by and serve as organs for the state, or "embody" the state (corpus = body). The purpose wasn't the promotion of private interest, but the centralization and synchronization of society under the state, as an end unto itself. To quote Mussolini's infamous aphorism: "All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."
Ideologically, where the Fasc ists diverged from the Mar xists was in their rejection of the narrative of class warfare, which they saw as utterly repudiated by the behavior of "the proletariat" during World War I, where rather than join together in a mutual overthrow of capitalism, the working class of each country stayed in lockstep with national loyalties and slaughtered their supposed foreign class brethren. Both the Fasc ists and Marx ists despised Libera lism, and saw it as having a perverse role in atomizing the individual from society. Mussolini's favored intellectual, Giovanni Gentile, freely acknowledged Fasci sm' kinship with Mar xism through Sorellian Syndicalism.
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