Comments by "Hiyuke La Vie" (@hiyukelavie2396) on "Palm oil isn't as bad as you think" video.

@CaptainVita Just because you see palm oil estate along the highway doesn't equate to unsustainable deforestation In fact, it's smarter to develope palm oil estate along the highway, since they had to clear the forest there for the highway infrastructure anyway No one is saying Malaysia did not cut down any forest for palm oil The difference is in the way it's done Malaysia did it in a much more sustainable way, for example by utilizing land already cleared for highways, instead of like Indonesia who is just indiscriminately setting off forest fires to clear whatever land the fire burns
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Correct The deforestation and environmentally harmful problems regarding palm oil mostly happen in Indonesia Malaysia just happens to get caught in the cross fire Blame Indonesia for ruining the reputation of palm oil
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@CaptainVita Likewise I have no problem accepting intelligent criticism of my country, and believe me there are plenty of those to go around But in this specific issue, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about, and your sole motivation for chiming in here seems to be to criticize Malaysia
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@CaptainVita Look up what buffer zones are when it comes to highways and educate yourself on the subject before you feel the urge to offer an opinion "Highways only need a couple of meters on either side" Seriously, what an ignorant thing to say 🙄
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@sejadahbiroe Ok, here's the thing 1. Deforestation is a problem in Indonesia. At least we agree on this 2. Stop trying to blame Malaysian and Singaporean companies. Most of the deforestation in Indonesia is driven by Indonesian companies, like Asia Pulp & Paper, which is an Indonesian company based in Jakarta. Yes, there are some Malaysian and Singaporean companies that took part as well. But why are you trying to divert attention to them? The fact remains corruption in the Indonesian government is the primary enabler, and Indonesian companies are the major players. Just because there are some Malaysian and Singaporean companies involved you are trying to shift the blame elsewhere?
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@sejadahbiroe Lol, why you trying to twist and turn things around 1. Indonesia is the one committing massive deforestation in order to plant palm oil. Not Malaysia, not Singapore 2. Again, why are you blaming the small handful of Malaysian and Singaporean companies? Why are you trying to divert attention like this? Are you saying the Indonesian government plays no part? Are you saying that Indonesian companies play no part?
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@sejadahbiroe Oh really 1. Do you have any data to back that up? 2. Assuming it is true, why does Indonesia allow them to do that?
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Correct. Palm oil IS an important industry in Malaysia. Malaysia has been producing palm oil since the 1910s. The palm oil industry in Malaysia is relatively well developed The deforestation and environmentally harmful problems regarding palm oil mostly happen in Indonesia. Indonesia, being the relative new comer to the palm oil industry, didn't have the patience to develop their palm oil industry properly, and instead employed the quickest and cheapest methods, which is what's causing all the problems the outcries against palm oil is about The problem is Malaysia gets caught in the cross fire Blame Indonesia for ruining the reputation of palm oil
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@sejadahbiroe Ok, you now you finally agree that deforestation due to palm oil is happening mostly in Indonesia, not Malaysia or Singapore
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@sejadahbiroe If you agree that the deforestation problem with palm oil is happening in Indonesia, then why are you arguing?
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@sejadahbiroe And Kumai Sentosa is an Indonesian company
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@sejadahbiroe And please back up your accusations with data Here's a question for you Indonesia is estimated to have lost 115,459 hectares of forest in 2020 Do you have the data to show how many hectares of that was lost due to the actions of Malaysian and Singaporean companies? Please answer the question
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@sejadahbiroe You are still not answering the question Out of the 115,459 hectares of forest lost in Indonesia in 2020, how many hectares were lost due to the activities of Malaysian companies? It's a very simple question
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@sejadahbiroe Just in case it's not obvious for you Saying that foreign companies control 40% of the oil palm plantations in Indonesia does not mean that foreign companies are responsible for 40% of the deforestation in Indonesia
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@sejadahbiroe Lol no Searches show that Kumai Sentosa is an Indonesian company based in Indonesia But that's not even the point As I kept asking, out of the 115,459 hectares of forests lost by Indonesia in 2020, how many can be attributed to foreign companies? Please answer that, instead of trying to divert
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@sejadahbiroe You wrote so much But you still cannot answer the question Out of the 115,459 hectares, how many do you attribute to foreign companies?
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@sejadahbiroe The fact is, Indonesia is the one facing massive deforestation problems when it comes to palm oil If you want to blame it on foreigners, then you first of all need to come up with the data to back it up Just saying that foreigners own 40% of the palm oil plantations in Indonesia is meaningless But nothing changes the fact that the biggest contributor to palm oil related deforestation in Indonesia is due to the attitude of your own government
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@sejadahbiroe Don't be ignorant The floodings in Malaysia has got very little to do with palm oil estates You are trying to make a very flimsy argument. It sounds like you are simply trying to mudsling
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@sejadahbiroe Lmao You're the one who can't read. Nowhere did I say that 115,459 hectares = forest lost to palm oil related activities I said very clearly Indonesia is estimated to have lost 115,459 hectares of forest in 2020 I am asking you how many out of the 115,459 hectares do you attribute to foreign companies You're very confident that foreign companies are the ones causing palm oil related deforestation in Indonesia So tell us exactly how many hectares were affected 10? 50? 100? 5,000? The point is, if you can't even tell us how many hectares of forest were lost due to palm oil related activities by foreign companies, then what right do you have in accusing foreign companies of being the reason behind palm oil related deforestation in Indonesia?
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@sejadahbiroe Nope, it's not the same at all Malaysia has been developing palm oil plantations since the 1900s. The palm oil industry is very mature in Malaysia. It's not perfect, there are still problems with it, but the problems are nowhere near as massive as in Indonesia Fact is, palm oil related deforestation is going on mainly in Indonesia right now, and the main reason for that is the attitude of your government If your government had not allowed it to happen, then it wouldn't have happened, regardless of who owns how many % of the palm oil plantations in Indonesia You trying to divert blame by focusing on one or two Malaysian companies is just immature
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@faiq026 Logging is the main contributor to deforestation in Malaysia, not oil palm Indonesia has 9 times the population of Malaysia - your per capita comparison is meaningless
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Most of the deforestation and environmentally harmful problems occur in Indonesia. They are a relatively new player compared to neighbouring Malaysia, who has been producing palm oil since the 1910s. As a result the palm oil industry in Malaysia is a lot more matured and well developed compared to Indonesia But some time in the 1980s Indonesia saw the earning potential of palm oil and started mowing down swathes of their forests. The problem is, instead of building a sustainable palm oil industry like Malaysia, Indonesia is doing it the ghetto way, doing it in the cheapest way possible. Driven by greed and lack of patience, they basically employ slash and burn practices in order to clear rainforests for palm oil. Indonesia's focus has been on clearing as much land as possible for palm oil, instead of on making their existing plantations more efficient If the goal is to distinguish sustainable and unsustainable palm oil, a good way to start would be to distinguish between Malaysian palm oil and what Indonesia produces
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@CaptainVita "Highways only need a couple meters on each side" Uhm, wrong. So very, very wrong. Look up images of the autobahn in Germany and see what's on either side of them. Do you really think it looked like that in their natural state? No, don't be naive. Large swathes of land were cleared. They then replanted some grass or decorative trees to fill up the empty space. You can't have a freaking jungle teeming with wildlife just a few meters away from a highway. It's a stupidly dangerous hazard. There are codes and regulations for these things. In Malaysia's case, instead of replanting the empty land on both sides of the highway with functionless, decorative trees, they replanted them with oil palm. It's a much more intelligent usage of existing land Again, no one said that no forest was cleared for oil palm. How do you think cash crops work? Do you think they just magically sprung up in the middle of a pristine forest? You sweet, sweet summer child. Show me any example of industrial crops being grown without any land being cleared. Maybe in this fantasy world in your mind it exists. The point here is HOW land is being cleared. Indonesia, being impatient and greedy, went for the cheapest method available, the slash and burn method. Cheap and quick, but environmentally disastrous
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