Comments by "janburn007" (@janburn007) on "Real Stories" channel.

The so-called "prophet" Muhammad had a total of 13 wives - but then told his followers they were only allowed to have a maximum of 4 wives. According to Muhammad, Allah "commanded" him to have those 13 wives (& he also had numerous concubines & slave girls). As long as the men are "married" to the women in the eyes of their religion (which means that some of those "marriages" are not legally recognised in the countries in which they happen - especially if those countries don't permit bigamy or polygamy) - then the religion does not consider them to be committing "adultery" as such - although the law will just see those subsequent "marriages" as adulterous extra-marital affairs.
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@yamnjam Yes - it certainly is very hypocritical & having double standards. I'm sure there would be an outcry by Muslim men if Muslim women started taking 4 husbands.
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@iskanderstrel Nothing I have said is racist - you obviously do not understand the dictionary definition of the word "racist" & when anyone says anything negative about something, which you do not like, you simply call them a name - such as a "racist". Nothing I have said is racist - I would say exactly the same thing about anyone at all who behaves in a similar fashion to some of those polygamous men in the above video. And yes - I will continue to dare to say whatever I want to say.
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Yes - & Hasan's new (3rd) wife (who previously never wore a face covering, we were told) had to "cover-up" after her marriage to him - then at the end of the documentary we saw the message that they had separated/divorced after only 3 months of "marriage" due to "irreconcilable differences".
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Yes - but his statement about the Bible allowing polygamy is totally incorrect - & he is simply using his own made-up statement as his excuse. Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that God allows or permits polygamy. It's true that in the Old Testament of the Bible - there were some characters who had a wife/wives &/or concubine/mistress, or who simply committed adultery with women other than their wives. But that was just recounting stories/histories of what actually happened. And not everything that happened in the Bible was necessarily specifically commanded or permitted/allowed by God. So we need to be very careful about saying that just because things happened in the Bible - God approved of/permitted them. God never told men in the Bible to take more than 1 wife, & wherever the Bible speaks specifically about marriage, or giving advice about it, it is always that marriage is monogamous & between 1 man & 1 woman - even from as far back as Adam & Eve. And where men in the Bible did take more than 1 wife/concubine/mistress etc - it was often in direct contravention of what they had been told by God, & usually did not end well for any of the parties - especially in the case of Abraham & Sarah. But of course the "ginger man" in the documentary chooses to ignore the Bible - because Islam tells him he can have up to 4 wives - so he'd rather go along with that teaching. And in Islam, their prophet Muhammad had anywhere between 11 & 13 wives - which according to Muhammad, Allah told him he could have - while restricting all other men to a maximum of 4 wives.
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I think the womanising husband's parents are also partly to blame because they recommended to him that he take a 2nd "wife", if he was finding his1st wife not satisfactory to him. And unfortunately the young guy was not smart enough to say no to, or to stand up to, his own parents. So it seems his parents also have some really strange ideas about marriage as well. But the 1st wife, being his only legally-recognised wife under UK law (because bigamy is illegal in the UK), & having 3 children together with him, & actually already living in the UK with him - definitely has the advantage over the 2nd "wife" back in Pakistan. Because the 2nd "wife" is not a "legal" wife in the eyes of the UK law - which sees that 2nd "wife" as no more that just an extra-marital affair, or his "bit on the side" as it were. It is probable therefore that the 2nd "wife" will never be allowed to migrate to the UK to join her "husband", & will need to remain in Pakistan. However, the 1st wife could easily & without any problem in the UK, get a legal divorce from her womanising husband, if she wanted to - & find herself a better & more decent husband in the UK, & take the 3 children with her - because the husband, by taking a 2nd "wife" & thus having an adulterous affair on the 1st wife, is setting a very bad example for their 3 children - & the children definitely should not be exposed to that kind of terrible behaviour. However, I'm not sure that the 1st wife would necessarily want to legally divorce her husband, because at least while she is still legally married to her womanising husband - she is probably preventing the 2nd "wife" from being able to migrate to the UK as the man's "wife", & therefore their 3 children are not being exposed to the womanising husband's adulterous relationship with the 2nd "wife" - or whatever you want to call her. If the womanising husband wanted to take another wife - the decent thing to do would have been to agree to divorce his 1st wife (before taking a 2nd "wife" in Pakistan) - which he had initially seemed to want to do - & so did the 1st wife. But then apparently because he decided it might "look bad" for him, he reneged on that initial decision - & she was also under some "pressure" from her own family to take him back, unfortunately. But that kind of man really is not worth having as a husband at all, & the 3 children would really be much better off without him around, if they are going to grow up to be decent human beings at all.
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Quite true - but the man in the story who ran the Muslim marriage bureau did indicate that the number of women on his books vastly outnumbered the number of men. And he also indicated that most of those women had previously been married & divorced - so their chances of finding another (monogamous) husband were not good - because many Muslim men may be looking for a woman who has not previously been married & with no children. So the women probably saw themselves as having very limited prospects of another (good) marriage - so were prepared to accept the fact that the best they might be able to do, would be to become someone's 2nd or 3rd wife. So the women end up settling for something which is far from the ideal marriage - but something they see as being the best that they can expect, in their current situation. Most of them are from overseas countries & are not native-born British - so they are probably looking for some sort of security for their existing family & possibly even in order to remain living in the UK. It's sad to think that women have such low expectations for themselves & their children in their marriages - to settle for just being a 2nd or 3rd wife - & as we can see in the above documentary - some of those women are definitely not happy in those kinds of marriages - & why would they be? There's certainly nothing to be happy about in that kind of lifestyle - & money is always a problem when there are so many children to 1 husband - let alone multiple wives/mistresses/girlfriends etc. Because it is only the 1st wife who is legally married to the husband under British law. The subsequent wives are not legally married to the man - they are just married in an Islamic religious "marriage" ceremony which is not recognised under British law & therefore never registered at the British Registrar's office. So when the marriage to a 2nd or 3rd wife breaks down - they cannot seek a "divorce" through the British legal system - because they were never legally married in the UK in the first place & cannot produce a British marriage certificate (which one needs to produce in order to seek a divorce through the British legal system. If they were legally married overseas - they would need to produce a copy of that overseas marriage certificate, in order to get divorced in the UK). Given that they cannot seek a legal divorce in the UK - they would need to seek a "divorce" under Islamic religious law, in the UK - through the UK's Islamic "sharia" courts.
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@wn.111 Yes - I realise these Muslim women are not being forced into these polygamous marriages as 2nd, 3rd, or 4th wives - but I do think many of them are doing it more out of desperation - for fear that they will not find a suitable marriage partner otherwise - especially if they are divorced with children, & are only allowed to "marry" a Muslim man. They do it to have some sort of security & respectability in the Muslim community. In any case, technically, their legal status under British law is not that of a "wife" - because British law does not permit polygamy. They are never actually married as 2nd, 3rd or 4th wives under British law - their solely religious marriage ceremonies are not recognised under UK law, & the marriage is never registered & no British marriage certificate is ever issued. So as far as British law is concerned - these 2nd, 3rd & 4th wives are just multiple de-facto relationships or girlfriends.
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@Loulydollx3 It does not really matter whether they were the divorced women & widows - or whether he actually wanted to marry them. God's command to his creation from the outset - was to only have one spouse. Sure - there were some people - like Muhammad, & various people in the Bible, who disobeyed that command & took on more than one spouse - but that does not mean the rest of the community has to also disobey God & do the same. If anyone wants to help widows & divorced women - there are plenty of other ways to do it, without actually marrying them. Through acts of charity, it is possible to help support such people, without marrying them & thereby going against God's command.
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@one-lq6pk I see no point in confirming whether I'm a Muslim, ex-Muslim, or non-Muslim. It makes no difference to my comment, & is not important, as far as my comment is concerned.
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@kingsentertainment786 It's not racist - because the same objections would be expressed no matter who the people were. The same objections are raised about polygamy in the fundamental Mormon church in the USA - & those men sometimes have more than 4 wives & are usually white Americans. So It's got nothing to do with race - but the poor behaviour of certain people whose behaviour is not accepted by the rest of society.
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And most of these children are raised in poverty in these large extended families - & none of the wives seem truly happy.
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In the eyes of the UK law the 2nd "wife" in Pakistan will never be legally recognised in the UK - because he already has a wife in the UK & bigamy is illegal in the UK. So as far as the UK law is concerned - the 2nd "wife" is just someone with whom he is having an extra-marital (adulterous) affair - his "bit on the side" so to speak.
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@anonymous-vb2hj My comment certainly was not disagreeing with what you said. Just pointing out that in the Islamic religion, it is well known that many Muslim men will want a (1st) wife who has never been married before & without children - making it difficult for divorced Muslim women with children to re-marry within Islam. Sadly, that may cause some Muslim women to believe that their options for re-marriage within Islam may be limited & if they cannot successfully re-marry within a certain time period, they might lower their expectations & start to consider being a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th wife - simply so they can get married & have some security for them & their children. In Islam - it is made very difficult for women to be the head of their own household - even after divorce - & they will often require a male "guardian" to accompany them to certain places - hence the desire of most divorced Muslim women to re-marry in Islam, otherwise life can become difficult for them. You may not be aware that unlike Muslim men (who are allowed to marry non-Muslim women), Muslim women are only allowed to marry Muslim men & are not supposed to marry non-Muslims. I'm not saying any of this is fair at all - it's just the way things are in Islam unfortunately & it's very sad indeed - because all women get a very raw deal - whereas even the "lowest" & worst of Muslim men are put in privileged positions in Islam, which they do not deserve. And the families in these polygamous marriages often end up living in poverty because the man often has no means to support all these wives & children. Many of them end up on welfare payments.
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Just because there were instances of characters in the Old Testament of the Bible who were involved in polygamy - does not mean that God himself allowed polygamy, or approved of it. In fact, all of the real evidence in the Bible indicates that God did NOT approve of those in the Bible who indulged in polygamy. Also, in many instances, their involvement in polygamy went against the express wishes & instructions given to them by God - eg in the case of Abraham & Sarah. And in those cases where polygamy did occur - it often ended badly for all the people involved - specially in the case of Abraham & Sarah. In most parts of the Bible where marriage is spoken about - it makes specific reference to monogamous marriages, & the fact that anything outside of monogamous marriage is simply adultery. The reason why Muslim men can get away with these "polygamous" marriages in the UK, where polygamy is actually illegal - is because the men are not actually "legally" married to all of their wives under British law - usually only the first wife (if any) is technically & legally married to these men under British law & marriage registered at the Registrar's office in the UK. The subsequent wives are not legally married to the men at all under British law - they are only "married" to the men in a "religious" marriage under Islam - which is not recognised under UK law & the marriage is not registered in the UK at the Registrar's office. So they cannot be legally prosecuted for polygamy in the UK - because under UK law, there is only one "legal" wife & the rest are actually just mistresses/girlfriends/concubines etc according to British law.
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@okabutifoundit I'm not going to answer the question, because it's a silly question & irrelevant to the original comment anyway. And I'm surprised that anyone who claims to have 3 degrees in Islamic studies, would say such a thing. It's certainly not likely to encourage a very favourable impression of Islam, or Muslims generally.
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@MzPrizz37 Muslim men can have only 4 "wives" to whom they are religiously married. Providing they do not go outside of those 4 "wives" - then it's not adultery. But if they do go outside of those 4 "wives" for an intimate relationship - then it's adultery & they can be stoned to death. The only exception to this is that Muslim men are allowd to have extra-marital relationships with any female slaves that they own, or those females that have been conquered & enslaved during tims of war - & it's not considered adultery.
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@QueenLionessMD And if a woman complains that she has been raped/sexually assaulted by a man who is not her husband (whether she is married or not) - then due to that "confession", she is often treated as an adulterer. But because there may not be the required number of witnesses to that rape, the male will often get off free - whereas it's assumed the rapist may have been another unknown male - but the woman is still considered guilty of adultery, due to her "confession". In cases where a woman may become pregnant as a result of a relationship outside of marriage - it then becomes obvious that adultery has been committed, & the woman is again punished for adultery. But unless the responsible male can be identified by the required number of witnesses - the male will again often get off free. So it's often much easier for the man to escape punishment for adultery, than it is for the woman.
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@wn.111 I would agree that in general, divorced women (not just Muslim women) with children often find it difficult to re-marry. But what makes it harder on divorced Muslim women to remain un-married, is that in many circumstances they may require a male guardian, & therefore many divorced Muslim women may very keen to re-marry. That's not the case with most other divorced women, who don't need a male guardian in their everyday life - therefore there's not necessarily the same urgency to re-marry. A Muslim husband may have religious obligations to support all multiple wives equally, but as happens in many cases, it just does not work out like that in practice, resulting in unhappy wives & divorces - as we see in some of the cases in the documentary. That includes some Muslim men with multiple wives (& numerous children because of those multiple wives) who end up on government social security benefits which is barely enough (& certainly not designed) to support multiple wives & numerous children. It's also clear that some of the men at the outset (when they take on extra wives) just do not have the financial means to support multiple wives & many children - so that they end up still dependent on government benefits. And when a man has multiple wives, there is obviously the potential to have so many more children than a man with just 1 wife. I am aware that Muslim men are allowed to marry non-Muslim women only under certain circumstances - but in my view those circumstances are not really that strict - whereas a Muslim woman is not allowed the same level of choice in marriage partners - which will obviously severely limit her choice of a husband to only Muslim men. This situation could also be a contributing factor in why there are more Muslim women than Muslim men, seeking marriage partners in countries like the UK.
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@wn.111 I agree there are some monogamous marriages that experience financial difficulties - but in the case of polygamous marriages that situation is made far worse. I think everyone should be able to get married to 1 wife - but Muslim men should be restricted by their religious authorities from marrying more than 1 wife if they cannot afford any more. If a Muslim man is having difficulty supporting his 1st wife (or does not have sufficient finances to support a 2nd & subsequent wives) - he simply should not be allowed to take more than 1 wife. The problem is - no-one (not even Islamic clerics) is preventing them taking more than 1 wife, if they cannot support any more. Before an Islamic cleric is allowed to perform marriage ceremonies for such Muslim men - their finances should be examined & if they don't have sufficient to support more than 1 wife & their existing children - the Islamic clerics should refuse to marry them. But nothing like that ever happens. As for Muslim women requiring a guardian on journeys - it does not necessarily need to be a very long journey. In any case - since many of the subsequent wives in the above video appeared to be not from the UK - they may wish to travel to visit overseas family members & having a male guardian who can accompany them at any time - would obviously make their life much easier - hence that could be part of the reason they wish to marry reasonably soon & are often willing to accept "almost anyone" - even if they may not be a very good person.
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@Loulydollx3 I'm aware of that - but I doubt that many men who want to take on more than one wife, would worry about whether they can be just to them all, They would probably just be thinking about themselves & their own desires.
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@Loulydollx3 Yes - it does state that both the man & the woman should be stoned. But that's only if they "both" get caught. And sometimes it happens that only the woman gets stoned - because she is the only one that is caught. For example, if a woman becomes pregnant out of wedlock, it is obvious there has been a sexual encounter - whether it was a case of rape - or whether it may have been consensual. But unless it can be proven who the other party was in that instance - often only the woman will be punished. Also, it often happens that when women are raped in a predominantly Islamic country, & choose to report it to the authorities - unless the other party can be identified & "proven" - it is only the woman who is punished for the crime of "adultery" - even though she was actually raped. The authorities usually don't believe the woman was raped - so they punish her for adultery.
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@okabutifoundit And yours is a fairly typical response from someone who has absolutely no decent arguments of their own to put forward on the comment. They simply resort to personal attacks on people whom they do not know from a bar of soap.
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@okabutifoundit If you expected anyone to take such a comment seriously, you should have expressed it differently & in a much more serious manner. That's not the sort of comment anyone would take seriously, & certainly would have expected better from someone who claims to have 3 degrees in Islamic studies.
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@drmutindikakuti1012 I could well believe that.
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I'm not even sure that the Muslim people in the above video - who are availing of the services of the Sharia courts in the UK, would want to see Sharia law implemented across the board in the UK. I think in many instances, they are just going through the Sharia courts in the UK, to get a "religious divorce" that is recognised in Islam, so that they can then show prospective future marriage partners that their previous divorce is recognised by Islam (whereas a mere secular/legal divorce may not have been), & they can therefore re-marry if need be, in an Islamic wedding ceremony - something which might be important to them, or their respective families. In many cases, I think, even before such people go to the UK Sharia courts for their "religious divorces" - they have already been granted a legal/secular divorce by the law courts of the land in which they actually live.
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