Comments by "joe k" (@joek600) on "Zelensky: US Will Have To Send 'SONS AND DAUGHTERS' To Fight In Ukraine If Aid Wavers" video.

@DAS1337 Ukraine never had sovereignty anyway. They were always under the control of somebody, Poland, Russia, USSR, mafia/oligarchs.
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Its amazing, one day we will talk about the US role in the Russo-Ukrainian war in the same casual manner we talk about the Tonkin Golf Incident or the non existing WMD of Iraq, and everybody will pretend that they knew the truth all along....
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@halocemagnum8351 Well it would be nice to hold hands and sing ‘’we are the world’s but 1) this is the real world 2) it’s very convenient to expect from the OTHERS to be moral after you rampantly F’ed up half of the globe. It doesn’t work like that. Also it’s not about choosing an ally ‘’you don’t like’’ that’s a super naive interpretation of the actual ‘’becoming the springboard of an adversary that plans to break up your country and steal your resources for pennies’’. As I said Russia is in a lose lose situation, even after the inevitable victory, they have been forced to fight literally their family, right at their front yard, only to maintain the previous status quo. They lost the revenue from EU God knows for how many years, EU lost its cheap energy deals that kept it floating and forced to buy American super expensive gas or smuggled Russian oil at jacked up prices. In the end the only one who wins is the perpetrator of this war. The US.
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@boofert.washington2499 How exactly is apples and oranges?
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@ClownCarCoup NATO is used by the US in the same way that the Delian League was used by the Athenians. Many eastern European countries who want closer ties with the west and US mainly for financial reasons, consider their NATO membership as a kind of a seal of approval. It was the exact same thing during the 50's in southern Europe. What is important to ote is that the neophyte countries were always obligated to send troops to fight in a war that US had interests in. For my country that war was Korea. For Poland and the rest ex-Warsaw Pact countries it was Iraq and Afghanistan. Its like an admitance fee to the club, payed in blood.
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@PACABear Nice word playing. I guess you are referring to offers that you cannot refuse, as strong suggestions and not blackmail.
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@PACABear Political pressure exists anyway but governments still need to justify to their people that they will have to send troops and receive back body bags, for a conflict that is not their business. NATO membership aka the cool club, gives a justification. The majority of the NATO members had to bend backwards before securing their membership. I don’t understand what you are arguing here.
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@ClownCarCoup I have a question. In what way playing dumb, promotes this discussion? Because I don’t have time for fake legalisms. I guess if a mafia boss comes into your business and says ‘’nice shop, it would be a pity if something happened to it’’ you literally believe that he sincerely worries about the possibility of a random catastrophe. France is the biggest country in the continent, with a big military and was given the appropriate courtesies. You don’t have to be super clever to understand that, nevertheless France sent a frigate and over 3000 troops, so maybe you want to use another example, since you are giving so much attention to semantics.
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@YouTubeHandle42069 Generally I would agree with you but imo Russia was out of options. The media try to personify this conflict as ''mad Putin's war'' the truth is that any Russian President who was not a complete sell out, he would have done the same. If they didnt fight Ukraine now, they would have to do it in 20 years in less favorable terms for Russia. Ukraine was propped up a bridgehead towards the dissolution of Russian Federation in small chunks that would be turned on each other's throat and then bought off for pennies. The tragic irony is that Putin's soft approach during the initial stage of the war, eventually led to a long drawn conflict, helped the Kievan regime to sell the narrative of possible victory leading to tremendous amounts of casualties. Ukraine for the bigger part of this war was a country with working transportation, electrical grid and internet even in the first line. I dont think that there is a similar example from history. Usually the infrastructure is the first thing that goes.
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errrrr... your country created the problem and then dragged everybody in. You are the only ones making profit out of this
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@frankvonfrauner you mean he managed to divert several billions back to the Democratic party, Biden's accounts and his family accounts
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@halocemagnum8351 The Russians invaded juast as you would have invaded if China was setting up a hostile regime in Canada and placed missile launchers all over targeting US. Its 101 geopolitics. The Russians have nothing to gain practically from this mess, if they could avoid it they would.
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