Comments by "bakters" (@bakters) on "Definition of ideobabble (with examples)" video.

If you are free to enslave other people, some will surely do it. Plato was correct on that one, and he did not equate liberty with slavery.
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@TheImperatorKnight " then others are not free " They are equally free to enslave. Winners take all kind of game. You either win big or lose big, not unlike utopian capitalism. " the authority of one man " Why one man? Athens was a democracy and they enslaved and were being enslaved on a large scale. I wonder if when Alexander finally took over, he probably curbed it all to quite an extent. BTW - Diogenes, his contemporary, he was enslaved at some point.
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@TheImperatorKnight " Freedom comes from the ability to say no " Many of my ancestors were enslaved. I bet they said "no" many times over. The trouble was, that the slavers were free to ignore it. The rather inescapable conclusion should be, that if we make slavery illegal, we limit the freedom of the individual. " to say that men COULD create slavery is missing the point " Oh, the problem doesn't even exist? Silly of me not to see it that way... " slave has the freedom to fight back " Believe you me, they did. But every prisoner ever had this choice available to them, so they were all "free", apparently. Ergo, the problem does not exist. Again... " Give me liberty or give me death. " Fine, it might come to that, but I'll start with 20 lashes. I need to protect my investment, you see. " democracy isn't freedom, it's state tyranny " Stop redefining words. Yes, democracy is not freedom. No, it's not tyranny. Tyranny replaced democracy in many Greek city states. Those were two different forms of government.
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@travelmind5487 " freedom to choose to get enslaved " Not to get enslaved, but to enslave others. To capture a ship and sell the people on the market, or to go to the market and buy some servants. " slavery is unavoidable " We can make it illegal, and we did just that. Otherwise, yes, it will always exist. It still does, to some extent. " i am free to say: democracy ist tyrrany and claim it is correct. " Indeed. Saying nonsense is not illegal.
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@travelmind5487 " Slavery exists to the same extent as it always has " Can you go to the market and buy yourself a bed-warmer slave? Which legally belongs to you? You were free do it some time ago. You were free to also purchase a male and neuter him, just so he's less trouble to own. You were free to do whatever you wanted with your own money, but it's no longer the case.
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